McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing rightwing racism

Ha!

McCain campaign pulls ads from some anti-Obama web sites


WASHINGTON (CNN) - John McCain's campaign will stop advertising on several pro-Hillary Clinton Web sites that have attacked Barack Obama for being unpatriotic and, in one case, compared the Democratic nominee-in-waiting to Adolf Hitler. . . .

One Web site, called Stop-Obama.org, is a group blog comprised of disaffected Clinton supporters, some of whom are now supporting McCain. Three different banners ads, one of which featured McCain standing side-by-side with Sen. Joseph Lieberman, were running on the site until Monday.

The stuff those noble progressives in PUMA say about Obama below the fold.

A recent post on the blog outlined the "simple parallels" between Obama and Hitler, and accused Obama's audiences of having the same cult mentality that characterized followers of the German dictator.

Yes, he's a gay African communist Muslim Nazi.

McCain's ads have also shown up on a pro-Clinton Web site named "Obama WTF" that accuses Obama of being "spineless," having "communist influences,""courting Jew haters" and being "in the pocket of America haters."

Nah, no ratfucking going on with this movement.

SavagePolitics.com, another anti-Obama site that has been targeted with McCain ads, has called Obama a "bold faced liar, a thief, a sexist and a racist."

Sadly, this talk is more typical than atypical of PUMA types.

Remember that the biggest PUMA blog was founded by someone who was banned from Daily Kos for posting a virulently Islamaphobic diary and who refers to Barack Obama as the "Affirmative Action candidate.".

And, of course, No Quarter is an offshoot of the Ku Klux Klan, as is Hillaryis44.org.

But, other than that, the notion that PUMA is founded on rightwing hate and bigotry is a pure myth.

Tags: Barack Obama, John McCain, PUMA, racism (all tags)

Comments

179 Comments

Ad pulling

Sounds good to me. There's gotta be Terms of Service on mainstream advertising services. Perhaps we should call them on it. I mean, they could always just stop being racist and hateful, but from what I've seen, they don't have it in them. They have a need to be hateful.

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 01:58PM | 0 recs
Hatred is the lifeblood of the

PUMAs.  They have no purpose other than to hate Barack Obama.  In that sense, they're a pure hate group.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the

Everything that O'Reilly accuses Kos of being. What's the attitude on Kos now? Are the people still posting as non-Pumas particularly vitriolic?

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 02:22PM | 0 recs
About 95% of the folks

at Kos are positively disposed towards Hillary now (Bill still has some work to do).  You'll get the occasional idiot who bashes her, but the reaction is very negative to that stuff.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 02:34PM | 0 recs
Yeah, right.

Bill has to do work!! After being accused of racism by a bunch of thugs.

Sort of like battered woman having to apologize to her abusive partner.

Meanwhile, from the politics of so-called unity, we have this NYTimes article:

How dare a black representative NOT support Obama fast enough?

by ghost 2 2008-07-01 04:56PM | 0 recs
Yes, we know you PUMAteers resent

the way those ungrateful black voters behave.

Go back to No Quarter.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, we know you PUMAteers resent

It's NOT about voters.  

It's about the machine, and turing the MLK principle on its head.  

Yes, any AA delegate should have looked at the color of BO's skin and not the content of his character.  Otherwise, they'd be primaried.

Lefty blogs don't even discuss this.  Never mind ... Frankly, I am used to them losing their principles one by one.  

by ghost 2 2008-07-01 06:47PM | 0 recs
So, you're condemning a people

whose #1 obsession is the now completed primary race?

Okay then.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: So, you're condemning a people

your HR abuse has been reported

by zerosumgame 2008-07-01 06:50PM | 0 recs
OMG!!1!

it's CENSORSHIP!!  ZEROSUMGAME IS JUST LIKE HUAC!1!   VOTE FOR MCCAIN!1!

by JJE 2008-07-01 09:57PM | 0 recs
Re: OMG!!1!

get a grip MCBlogger

by zerosumgame 2008-07-02 08:13AM | 0 recs
Re: About 95% of the folks

So then it might be fair to say that whenever we saw people talking about how awful some of the people on those sites were, it coulda been these PUMAs.

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the

The notion that you are a complete ar*se and trying to smear people is also...

Never mind.

Yeah, I remember you Geek.  You have no principles except shilling for your candidate, and that is truely scary.  

by ghost 2 2008-07-01 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the

Entirely true.  Principles matter; so do facts and reality.  Geekesque has shown contempt for all these things throughout the primaries.

by daria g 2008-07-01 05:11PM | 0 recs
If I had anything to do with

you leaving Daily Kos, that site owes me.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: If I had anything to do with

If you did, it is I who owe you.

by daria g 2008-07-01 06:00PM | 0 recs
Go back to No Quarter, little

Puma kitty.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Go back to No Quarter, little

Yes, I love PUMA's.  They are free in spirit, and independent in nature.  

by ghost 2 2008-07-01 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the

Actually, the purpose is to not support Barack Obama.  He lacks commitment to progressive values and will not stand up for them.  We have seen this over and over again, especially in the past two weeks.  

You can call PUMA voters what you like. It doesn't mean anything.

by daria g 2008-07-01 05:25PM | 0 recs
Which is why you all lick

McCain's boots.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hatred is the lifeblood of the

What was Clinton's position on FISA again?

Oh yeah, that's right... hypocrites.

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right

Given the comments on ALL of those sites, they are going to have to pull all of the ads.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right

Then, maybe then will Jerome finally denounce Larry Johnson and Susan Hu?

Does anyone know a practical or pragmatic reason for this?

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:04PM | 0 recs
Talkleft and other sites still have NQ

on their blogrolls.

But they're HUGE supporters of Obama.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Talkleft and other sites still have NQ

Really, I guess what it is was I got "warned" once for bashing the PUMA movement when it started as well as Larry Johnson.

Look, are we the only target for this group, and by target I mean major political blog, not youtube or worldpress.

Because it seems they come here to troll knowing there are no reprocussions.

Are there any GOP blogs that would allow me to do the same there?
If so tell me because that sounds like a party to me.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Talkleft and other sites still have NQ

Indeed.  There is no legitimate reason to have No Quarter on anyone's blogroll.  

by Adam B 2008-07-01 02:08PM | 0 recs
We should have a "drop NQ from

your blogrolls day."  Blogs believe so much in accountability for other people. .  .

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 02:10PM | 0 recs
That would be great publicity

I'll email Susan, she'll call CNN. Thank you!

by catfish2 2008-07-01 05:55PM | 0 recs
Maybe they can have Andy Martin

and Larry Sinclair on.  They can have a best of "lying lunatics who have Obama Derangement Syndrome" panel.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 06:33PM | 0 recs
You could go on, call everybody KKK

grandwizards, racists, etc. Let's book an appearance!

by catfish2 2008-07-01 06:48PM | 0 recs
Johnson's own blog condemns him.

And it condemns anyone who defends him.

He's a dog, and you have fleas.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 06:53PM | 0 recs
Next I'm a cockroach

nice hate speech Geek. Making somebody subhuman. You're becoming what you deplore.

And you just admitted Larry Johnson condemns Larry Sinclair. Which is it? Larry Johnson is a racist, or realist?

by catfish2 2008-07-01 06:59PM | 0 recs
No the point is that Johnson's own

words reveal him to be the racist reptile he is.

I hold rightwing bigots in utter contempt.  Especially when they're also pathological liars and thugs like Death Squad Larry, a Reagan operative in Central America.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 07:02PM | 0 recs
Reptile, cockroach, dog, beast

You are surrounded by subhumans. How ever do you cope?

by catfish2 2008-07-01 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Reptile, cockroach, dog, beast

You're 100% correct.  Belittling and attempting to minimize your opponents using language is bad form.  Off-topic, when can we expect your next groundbreaking diary telling us all about how horrible a candidate Barky/BamBam is?

by thatpurplestuff 2008-07-01 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Talkleft and other sites still have NQ

Check out this NQ comment:

Could it be that the AA's will now decide which White Workers are allowed to work. Obama would be so bad for this country. He makes McCain look like choir boy.

And there's a lot more like that there.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 06:49PM | 0 recs
The operative word here

is Republicans.

by missliberties 2008-07-01 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right

When Jerome comes clean, we can go ice skating.  I promise to pay for the skate rental, and not throw snowballs.

(Note: many posts read better if you add "in hell" to each sentence.)

by username 2008-07-01 02:44PM | 0 recs
It's the same five whackjobs reading

each site.  Let them waste their money.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 02:04PM | 0 recs
Rec'd

For helping expose PUMA crap.  Sunlight is the best disenfectant.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 02:03PM | 0 recs
Too funny

Haha nice!  Grlpatriot and the rest of the "Liberals for McCain" must be fuming from this obvious censorship!  ARGH!!WEDF#@

by thatpurplestuff 2008-07-01 02:06PM | 0 recs
Obama needs to court the people

who compare him to Hitler.  Why doesn't he want their votes????

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama needs to court the people

Nice, but this may be too subtle for some here...

by username 2008-07-01 02:46PM | 0 recs
You compare us to the KKK

how are you different? I never compared him to Hitler.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 02:53PM | 0 recs
When you say

compare 'us' to KKK, you are including yourself in which group?  The wacky His44 group or the Flowbee's House of Hate group?

I've always assumed you were normal.  Was I wrong?

by GFORD 2008-07-01 03:14PM | 0 recs
NoQuarter n/t

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:17PM | 0 recs
I don't think NQ is like the KKK

I just think they're a bunch of pathetic racist assholes with their "whitey" fantasies and such.

by BrighidG 2008-07-01 03:48PM | 0 recs
No Quarter is as racist

as David Duke.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 03:49PM | 0 recs
You're a race-baiter

again, you provide no evidence.

"Birth certificate" is not racist. "Muslim" is not racist. Reporting somebody ranted on "Whitey" is not racist, it's reporting.

All are reporting.

You win! YOu and your fellow cyber war room trolls effectively impersonated commenters there, called the Obamas "savages" and got your way. Yay!!!

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: You're a race-baiter

Hiderated for defending No Quarter.

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-01 03:57PM | 0 recs
No one is so stupid that they

actually believe what you just wrote.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: You're a race-baiter

Dude, No Quarter is a sinking ship. They are doubling down on Obama hate, and they are losing. They never should have posted the rumors of that Michelle Obama tape, never should have posted the crap about Obama's birth certificate.

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: You're a race-baiter

How about this NQ comment?

Could it be that the AA's will now decide which White Workers are allowed to work. Obama would be so bad for this country. He makes McCain look like choir boy.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: You're a race-baiter

I think more context is needed. The commentors at NoQ are very snarky. But, since I've seen you post this at least twice now, how about you explain this comment by JJJ. The night Obama won Iowa, Jesse Jackson Jr, Obama's national campaign co-chair, said regarding Obama being behind Hillary in the polls:

The natural reminder here is O.J. [Simpson] -- how does an African American candidate attack a white woman? (source WaPo)

...attack and get away with it. Is this part of Obama's post-racial nonsense or a new kind of politics? It is racist and sexist, and invokes/threatens violence against women. I want post-racial, I want post-inequality. Obama isn't bringing it, sorry. He talks it, but he doesn't walk it.  

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: You're a race-baiter

Sick of people getting mad at Obama for things somebody ELSE said. If it's by a surrogate, it doesn't count. Let's establish that rule, throw out Mark Penn and Geraldine Ferraro, and move on with what the candidates actually say. Fair enough?

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 08:07PM | 0 recs
It isn't racism for some

as much as the opportunistic Obama bashing for raw political gain.

Any hate mongering will do. Race, religon, voting, too progressive, not progressive enough, gay. Throw it at the wall and if it sticks you might get a vote for McCain.

It is to bring Hillary supporters into the McCain camp, by taking advantage of them, and by brainwashing them that Obama is somehow >evil<

by missliberties 2008-07-01 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: NoQuarter n/t

Good God, catfish. I knew you were angry and resentful, but I didn't think even you would defend that bunch of racists haters at no25cents. Guess I gave you too much credit.

by MS01 Indie 2008-07-01 04:26PM | 0 recs
You should be banned and TR'ed on site

You should be banned and TR'ed on site for not only defending the racist, asshole of a site like No Quarter, but for admitting to being a member there.

If Jerome is allowing No Quarter asshole to be members here, it's only a matter of time before this place devolves into the cesspool that NQ is.

by DaveDial 2008-07-01 04:30PM | 0 recs
PUMAs had their chance

to be reasonable. There comes a point when you quit engaging the crazy people on the street and have them committed to a place where they can't scare the kids.

by Poor Yorick 2008-07-01 03:27PM | 0 recs
1st Ammendment ain't your thang?

Obama scrunity will be a felony soon.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:55PM | 0 recs
Not really even close

to addressing my point about the mental state of PUMAs.

I'm scrutinizing Obama more than ever in light of his perceived shift to the center. But I don't indulge in innuendo and smears to make my argument.

PUMAs are pathetic, low-information, highly emotional identity voters acting like children who didn't get their way. They can all get bent. I don't want them anywhere near me.

by Poor Yorick 2008-07-01 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: 1st Ammendment ain't your thang?

Scrutiny != Libel

by vcalzone 2008-07-01 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: PUMAs had their chance

As long as we have a First Amendment, there will NOT come a point in this country when you have people committed for disagreeing with you over politics.  That's just unAmerican.

by daria g 2008-07-01 05:14PM | 0 recs
There's a difference

between disagreeing over politics and disagreeing over people. This isn't a disagreement over politics unless, of course, you (as you've projected this onto yourself) agree with the politics of the GOP or John McCain specifically, in which case, you need to be reminded that MyDD (and by extension its members) is not constitutionally bound to observe free speech...its mission is to get Democrats elected.

by Poor Yorick 2008-07-02 03:21AM | 0 recs
When PUMAs Comes around

We should post this (I not so good at embed):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gGCmlpF8 gQ

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: When PUMAs Comes around

remove:
(param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param)<br> and
allowfullscreen="true"

Something changed on youtube today, and mydd is not compatible yet.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites, citing right

"Yes, he's a gay African communist Muslim Nazi."

and a scary wimp with no testicular fortitude

by wrb 2008-07-01 02:47PM | 0 recs
Crickets?

How about some comment from members who aren't too ashamed to use the same username at both sites?  Let's hear from KnowVox, Coyote Creek, Anna Belle, campskunk, FlaDem (I think), and/or NoBama.  Others?

by username 2008-07-01 02:49PM | 0 recs
Impersonators in the comments said racist

things, something we noticed a while back. For example, somebody would call themselves Uppity Woman2 or something, then call Obama a savage, etc.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Impersonators in the comments said racist

Well, if these are all impersonators, perhaps the wronged parties could comment here defending themselves before posting further.  I think it's more racists and crazy haters than impersonators, but...

by username 2008-07-01 03:38PM | 0 recs
OK McCarthy. Start a new HUAC.

We got your number, we're onto your game.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: OK McCarthy. Start a new HUAC.

Whaaa...?

Me: Alias X posts on MyDD, and calls him or herself X on apparent hate site Y.  Clarification or comment?

You: OMG MCCARTHY WITCH HUNT!

by username 2008-07-01 06:05PM | 0 recs
That post is awesome

in its lack of self awareness.  A bunch of old white people defending the honor of a white woman wronged by a black woman fantasizing that they will be lynched.  Irony is truly dead.

by JJE 2008-07-01 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Crickets?

Where's you evidence that any of the people you've slandered are actually members of Stop-Obama.com and SavagePolitics.com?

by Xov Wonk 2008-07-01 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Crickets?

Wow....  you actually posted a comment...?

I thought drive-by troll-ratings for no reason were more your style.

by JenKinFLA 2008-07-01 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Crickets?

Close -- he does "comment."  He just doesn't do "content."

by username 2008-07-01 06:05PM | 0 recs
NoQuarter is an offshoot of KKK, citation?

That's quite a charge.

And none of the examples you provided proved those sites were racist.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 02:51PM | 0 recs
No Quarter is a virulently racist

blog.  The stuff about whitey, the birth certificate, Obama being a secret Muslim, etc etc.  

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: No Quarter is a virulently racist

Don't forget the "Obama of Spades" image... yeah that was a coincidence.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-07-01 03:00PM | 0 recs
Race Card

Give me a break.

You guys are clearly threatened by NoQuarter because it's such a popular site.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Race Card

Silly!  Of course they're racist, with their comments about mongrels and brillo hair.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Race Card

"Such a popular site?"  Citation, please.  Alexa says it's about 1/3 of mydd, which is pretty close to nothing.

Threatened?  Not really.  I just think it's amusing how Larry Johnson went from someone who could get a high-level CIA job to a screaming, ranting web lunatic on just a few years because of an unobjectionable presidential candidate.

by username 2008-07-01 03:42PM | 0 recs
HA!

I may have to rec that comment for being the funniest one I've read all day.

Ah, the ol' "just jellus" argument. Yes, I also hate them for their freedoms.

by BrighidG 2008-07-01 03:50PM | 0 recs
You must be high.

Actually, it's more likely the case that we're sad-and somewhat unwilling to accept the fact-that people we thought we agreed with on matters of collective importance have become so deranged by a primary race. Seriously. There's some great professional help available out there.

by Poor Yorick 2008-07-01 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Race Card

Someone who pens a diary that quips about "nappy hair", should really STFU about 'race cards', for like, the rest of their lives.

by Maori 2008-07-01 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Race Card

To be fair, the diarist was debating whether they should use "nappy" or "kinky" to refer to the hair of African Americans while making an analogy about Hillary wearing heels... err wait, that doesn't make it any better.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-07-01 08:00PM | 0 recs
just be grateful

it wasn't "brillohead".

by JJE 2008-07-01 10:01PM | 0 recs
None of those are racist

I've said Whitey, Michelle has probably said Whitey. There's a rumor of a tape in which she rails on Whitey. How is it racist to report the rumor?

Birth certificate - how is a birth certificate racist?

Muslimism is a religion, not a race. And where on NoQuarter did a writer write that Obama was a Muslim ? (Note: commenters may say he's a Muslim, but when did a writer insinuate such?)

And what do you have against Muslims anyway?

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: None of those are racist

Whitey is a word from, like 1967. Given Michelle's age, it's highly unlikely she used it.

Where did anyone on NQ say Obama is a Muslim? You must NEVER read it. It's said in EVERY thread,pretty much.

And the birth certificate? They are claiming that the Hawaii birth certificate is fake and that Obama was really born in Africa.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 03:42PM | 0 recs
Pfleger, Wright railed on Whitey

they didn't use the word, but they did. I've used the word Whitey and I'm younger than Michelle.

Muslim - read upthread, Geekesque said NoQuarter is a racist site because "Muslim". He didn't give details.

Birth Certificate - John McCain's birth was a controversey too, since he was born on a military base. The Obama Birt Cert provided by kos, unsourced, was THE FAKEST looking document it set off alarm bells.

Obama's father is from Africa. Am I racist for pointing this out? My friend Brigitte is from Africa. Am I a racist?

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Pfleger, Wright railed on Whitey

Hiderated for spreading Obama birth certificate lie.

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-01 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Pfleger, Wright railed on Whitey

I don't think you are a racist....

You may want to go outside nd play in the sunshine for a bit rather than reading drivel on the internet especially at No Quarter, but I don't think you're a racist... you do seem like you scare easily though...  fakest looking birth certificate...?  Eeeek!  The only thing I'm afraid of in that whole thing is the use of the word fakest....

by JenKinFLA 2008-07-01 05:37PM | 0 recs
MUSLIMISM

Are you joking or are you just that illiterate? It's Islam.

by BrighidG 2008-07-01 03:51PM | 0 recs
by Geekesque 2008-07-01 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: None of those are racist

Hiderated for spreading whitey smear.

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-01 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: NoQuarter is an offshoot of KKK, citation?

Calling Donna Brazil "Brillohead" isn't racist?  C'mon catfish, NQ is pretty bad, so bad, aparently, that even McCain won't advertise there.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 03:01PM | 0 recs
No link - interesting

So you've never seen Brazil referred to as "Brillohead", you just throw out that for anyone to do so would be racist.

I've never seen an article there that calls her such a name. I've seen racist comments, often planted by Obama trolls impersonating regular NoQuarter readers.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

What about TexasDarling, or Socal or whatever.

She was booted from here for making racist comments, was let back just to get booted again.

You rumage through a racist site.

Larry Johnson strikes me as a NAMBLA type too. (I think its the hair)

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-01 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

I'm not sure where to inject my comment - so I'll do it here.  

I am also a PUMA voter.  I still consider myself a dem - I gave money to Feingold and Baldwin and the DNC - but I will not vote for Obama.  

I was trolled on this site for saying that people can still identify as dems and not vote straight dem ticket.  There are many who do, in fact.  I know many dems in my area who voted for Nader, for example.  And many now who will vote either Nader or McKinney, but consider themselves dems.  

I like the PUMA sites because they give me news (and links) that I wouldn't hear otherwise.  For example, Obama has now decided he won't adhere to the tax code he has stated was a priority.  You don't hear that here.  

Maybe some of you can relate - when Hillary dropped out, it was a matter of weeks before Obama started capitulating on everything.  For those of us now being told (by Hillary even) to support Obama, there doesn't seem to be a lot of progressive values there to support.  I am especially upset with his NAFTA and FISA capitulations.  He ACCUSED Hillary of not being anti-NAFTA.  Now it's all water under the bridge.  

I am VERY against NAFTA.  I think it needs to be re-worked.  There's no dem there for me to vote for.  

As for racist elements.  Yes, there are some.  They aren't Hillary voters.  They are trolls IMO.  I endured sexist comments in every site - especially kos - where I still participate.  Only the PUMA sites have been not sexist.  One is not better than the other.  Both are hate-filled and both need to stop.  

by searchforsolidarity 2008-07-01 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

Only the PUMA sites have not been sexist...?  The ones that referred to Michelle Obama as a "welfare queen" and Donna B. as "brillohead"....?

Newsflash...  those ARE sexist comments.  That there was no sexism directed toward Senator Clinton does not mean there was no sexism.

by JenKinFLA 2008-07-01 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

I have not seen that.  Maybe some are more racist and sexist than others.  The ones I frequent have never called Michelle Obama a welfare queen.  

If I saw that, I would denounce it.  Obviously that belongs no where.

by searchforsolidarity 2008-07-01 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

Obama didn't change his position on NAFTA. Stop spreading lies.

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

yes he did.  

Read John Nichol's comment on his switch.  Or go directly to the source - Fortune magazine.  

Another place where you can hear this is on NPR where they discussed this today.  

by searchforsolidarity 2008-07-01 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

I've seen the link before - it was posted here numerous times during the primaries.  It was in connection with one of those infamous diaries uploading Brazille's emails where she was responding to one of the crazies flooding her inbox.

by rfahey22 2008-07-01 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

Catfish2, you are half correct - I've seen the term it their comments, but not their stories.  But how do you know that hey're Obama trolls?

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: No link - interesting

Hiderated for defending No Quarter.

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-01 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: NoQuarter is an offshoot of KKK, citation?

Hiderated for defending No Quarter.

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-01 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: NoQuarter is an offshoot of KKK, citation?

That's not what hide ratings are for.  Use them for spam and empty stuff.

by Whash 2008-07-01 04:57PM | 0 recs
Free speech is so scary!

I can't wait until we're all infantalized by your protection.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: NoQuarter is an offshoot of KKK, citation?

Larry Johnson, SusanHu, Universal, Texasdarlin, Alegre, and a number of other posters here and at NoQuarter (most of whom are now 'PUMA' type people) repeatedly used Steve Sailer, his personal blog, and one of the sites he writes for (VDARE) as sources for their posts here and elsewhere.  He and the sites he writes for is an out-and-out Neo-Nazi.  The Southern Poverty Law center has labeled him and his sites as hate/White supremacist sites, as has the ADL.  These posters have also used Andy Martin as a source for many of their diaries.  Martin is a holocaust denier, an anti-semite, and a fellow Nazi.  He's also the original source for the "Obama is a Muslim" email lies.

Much of the anti-Obama smears and diaries posted on NoQuarter and here by these diarists connected to it are clearly virulently racist right-wing connected people.  

This is a fact that I, and others, repeatedly posted about here and were shot down, warned, down/troll-rated, and ignored by this web site's administrators.  We spent months here being inundated by information and smears from racist, right-wing, White supremacist sources and it was ignored.  

It's absolutely pathetic that John McCain saw this stuff and responded to it and rejected it, while this website did absolutely nothing at all about it, letting these people continue to post here right up till the very end.

by Whash 2008-07-01 04:54PM | 0 recs
You never proved it, I visit the site a lot

and have never ever heard of that guy.

You post no links.

Are you or have you ever been a Communist?

by catfish2 2008-07-01 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: You never proved it, I visit the site a lot
Get your own links. We don't need McCarthy asking questions, we have this cool thing called Google. It keeps a nicely permanent record of all the things people do with a website, including linking to Neo-Nazis as sources for their posts.
by Whash 2008-07-01 05:40PM | 0 recs
Historical reference, McCarthy

McCarthyism

McCarthyism is a term describing the intense anti-communist suspicion in the United States in a period that lasted roughly from the late 1940s to the late 1950s. This period is also referred to as the Second Red Scare, and coincided with increased fears about communist influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the actions of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, "McCarthyism" later took on a more general meaning, not necessarily referring to the conduct of Joseph McCarthy alone.

During this time many thousands of Americans were accused of being Communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[1] laws that would be declared unconstitutional,[2] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[3] or actionable,[4] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.

In many cases, simply being subpoenaed by HUAC or one of the other committees was sufficient cause to be fired.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Historical reference, McCarthy
Yeah, believe it or not, I know who he is.
by Whash 2008-07-01 05:56PM | 0 recs
Clearly you don't

or you'd realize that criticizing people on blogs is just like blacklisting them and making them testify before Congress.  JUST.  LIKE.  IT.  PUMA '08!

by JJE 2008-07-01 10:13PM | 0 recs
So Google is the new McCarthy

awesome.

by catfish2 2008-07-01 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: NoQuarter is an offshoot of KKK, citation?

Well, the SPLC is clearly in the tank for Obama. Only the PUMAs know what is and isn't PC. That's why there was no racism in this campaign, but anything uncomplimentary said about Hillary Clinton was sexist.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-07-01 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain pulls ads from PUMA sites,

Hey man, they're just righting the Democratic Party.  I mean, their racist screeds scare even the Republicans, but it's all for a greater good, man.

by rfahey22 2008-07-01 03:06PM | 0 recs
Troll Alert

Xov Wonk

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-01 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Troll Alert

Yes, the reflexive property of trolls.  Xov Wonk = Know Vox.

by rfahey22 2008-07-01 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Troll Alert

Good catch!  That dude (and one ill-advised comment on my part) cost me TU.

by username 2008-07-01 03:44PM | 0 recs
ROTFLMAO!

The irony here is killing me:

These sites are too anti-Democratic for John McCain's taste.

I guess he realizes that putting money into them, is a, well... you know...

by spunkmeyer 2008-07-01 03:24PM | 0 recs
Uprated...

...to counter completely unjustified TR.

Remove it, Xov Wonk.

by mistersite 2008-07-01 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: TR'd

Anyone who refers to their fellow progressive Democrats as "dead-enders" is a troll, including those who defend them.

by Xov Wonk 2008-07-01 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: TR'd

Ah, so you've got two inappropriate TRs to remove now.  Very well.

And PUMAs are neither progressive nor Democrats.  Progressive Democrats support the Democratic nominee, not John McCain.

by mistersite 2008-07-01 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: TR'd

PUMA's are progressive AND Democrats who STILL support a progressive Democrat. Deal with it.

by Xov Wonk 2008-07-01 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: TR'd

No, they don't.  They don't support Hillary Clinton, because if they did, they would support the person she supports - Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, and the only person whose name will be under "Democrat" on anyone's presidential ballot.

I need deal with nothing - I am capable of facing facts, whether pleasant or unpleasant.  PUMAs, on the other hand, don't seem to be able to let go of the fact that one candidate won the primary and the other did not win.  It is they, not I, who have things they need to deal with.

by mistersite 2008-07-01 05:14PM | 0 recs
WRONG

PUMA's are progressive AND Democrats who STILL support progressive Democrats. They support progressive POLICIES, and do not blindly follow candidates.

Obama is NOT the nominee until ALL the delegates vote at the convention. Given the way he's turned into Bush-lite, he may not win the nomination, after all. Deal with it.

by Xov Wonk 2008-07-05 03:03PM | 0 recs
Good for McCain

It is good to know he has more class than the racist PUMA's who claim to be Democrats.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-07-01 04:05PM | 0 recs
Ok, I'll bite

You obviously haven't been a regular reader of The Confluence or you would know that we have two hard and fast rules: no character assassination and no rumormongering without evidence.  

Affirmative Action candidate?  Uh, yeah, especially after the RBC hearing.  I have written more than one post on this especially as it pertains to gender and how men always seem to get all the breaks while the bar is raised for women.  

I've never had an islamophobic day in my life.  I've worked with and for muslims and know them to be decent people who just want to mind their own business. The word I used is "jihad" which was very apropos when the Obamaphiles at DKos were rampaging through the diaries and putting users to the sword, er, relentless trollrating if there was even a hint of resistance to the Obama campaign.  It was all orchestrated in order to get rid of any strong voices on the biggest blog in the political universe who was not for Obama.  

And you know what?  I haven't regretted a minute of it.  I can write what I please whenever I please and people actually read my stuff.  I've been linked by CNN, Salon, the NYTimes and I've been mentioned in Vanity Fair.  I was delighted to find that Hillary's campaign valued my blog and the work of the other Conflucians and I can say that I am proud of our standards.  

And I am very happy to see that I was completely right about your candidate.  He is a facade put up by the old Democratic establishment, propelled by brilliant marketing to young and pretentious suckers and now he is tacking to the right, just as I predicted and pissing his supporters off.  
With 2 months left to the convention,
A former opponent who only suspended her campaign and hasnt released her delegates,
And  
18 million infuriated Democrats.

We applaud John McCain for removing his ads from sites that engage in character assassination.  We don't plan to vote for him but it was the right thing to do.  

And in case you didn't notice, we don't accept ads or donations, although we have had plenty of offers.  Free speech needs to remain free.

by goldberry 2008-07-01 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Check out the 11%'er

18 million infuriated Democrats?  You are talking crazy talk.  Go back to your racist site pal.

by Blue Neponset 2008-07-01 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Check out the 11%'er

The Confluence is NOT a racist website. TR'd for lies.

by Xov Wonk 2008-07-01 05:05PM | 0 recs
Goldberry is a racist old woman,

not a racist old man.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 05:56PM | 0 recs
You are whack and

dishonest. You really don't know what you are talking about. This behavior right here is why you cannot get our support.  

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 06:58PM | 0 recs
holy crap.

Aren't you the person the diarist was talking about upthread?
yup. it's you. you got banned from Daily Kos because of your two racists rants. One about how you were making jokes about the KKK, the other bashing muslims.

Dude. You're just flat out hard core racist man. I read those diaries. Holy crap man, WTF????????????

by TheFullBerry 2008-07-01 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: holy crap.

Troll rated for pure B.S.

by Xov Wonk 2008-07-01 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite

And yet your site linked to holocaust denier, anti-semite, Neo-Nazi, and originator of the Muslim smear, Andy Martin's "big announcement" when he went after Obama, now didn't you?  

You've linked to directly to Steve Sailer, and to other anti-Obama people using him as a reference, in spite of the fact that he's a very well known Neo-Nazi who when he's not writing anti-Obama diatribes runs the 'Human Biodiversity Insitute', a (I shit you not) human eugenics think tank.  He also writes for VDARE, a group labeled as a hate group/White supremacist group by the ADL and SPLC.

These are your sources, these are the sources of your friends in the 'anti-Obama movement', these are the sources for much of the information you all have attacked Obama with.  And they're straight up, honest to god, real live Nazis.  

You want to try and defend that?  I'd love to hear some justification for it.

by Whash 2008-07-01 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite
I don't know what the f^&* you're talking about.
As for racism, you ought to watch how you throw that word around or soon it will become meaningless.  
You don't know me and your definition of racist has been twisted to be used as a cudgel against people who don't like Obama.  
Frankly, I don't care what you call me.  Nothing you say has any effect on me, my thoughts or my voting pattern.  I can't be bullied or shamed into supporting Obama.  
You need to get a grip because the racism thing is going to bite you in the ass pretty soon.  Decent people who stood up for civil rights and equality all their lives aren't going to put up with that crap.  You've insulted their characters.  
by goldberry 2008-07-01 05:54PM | 0 recs
You don't get to use racist language

and then act all offended when people call you a fucking racist, you fucking racist.

Go cuddle up next to Don Imus.  Maybe he'll believe your fairy tale.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 05:55PM | 0 recs
is that the best you can do?
You can't think of ANYTHING else?  Are you so uncreative that you have to fall back on this racism thing over and over again?  
Oh, old racist woman.  Yeah, like we haven't heard that before.  Call me the vilest names on the planet.  There is nothing you can possibly say that would make me vote for your lightweight, illegitimate candidate.  Nothing.  But keep it up, you are helping drive away many other potential voters of his.
What have you accomplished?  Did you get your rocks off by pounding 'racist' on the keyboard?  Did that make you feel better, you wretched little collection of pixels on a screen who probably hasn't been laid in a decade.  
by goldberry 2008-07-01 06:39PM | 0 recs
Referring to the first African American

nominee of either major party as "The Affirmative Action Candidate" is inflammatory racism akin to what David Duke would say.

You're so drunk on your hatred of the man you feel justified in spewing it.

You and Larry Johnson and Susan Hu and the entire parade of horribles.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Referring to the first African American

But how do you acknowledge the fact that many people are voting for him because he is African American...or more precisely African-European American?

by FireLight 2008-07-01 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Referring to the first African American

So you're saying sexist attacks against Hillary are justified because some people voted for her over gender?

And certainly, some people voted for her due to her white skin... would that make her the "Glass Ceiling Candidate?'

Your logic is embarrassingly weak.

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Referring to the first African American

Per Wikipedia,

"The term affirmative action describes policies aimed at a historically socio-politically non-dominant group (typically, minority men or women of all racial groups) intended to promote access to education or employment."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative _action

I am just asking a question as to why saying Affirmative Action Candidate is incorrect if a large number of people are voting for him because of his race.  It's acknowledging what is real. Some people will not like it, others will find it acceptable.  It's not racist to be against Affirmative Action.  

Of course, it is not the only reason people are voting for Obama.  You could also say McCain is the Veteran's Candidate, the Religious Faithful's Candidate (I guess he's no Bush in that regard, but, they do appear to be voting for him), etc...

by FireLight 2008-07-01 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Referring to the first African American

Well, first of all, it's incorrect because it has nothing to do with the Affirmative Action program.

Second, it's incorrect because it makes a false assumption about why most people voted for Obama and denigrates the support of the millions of people whose vote had nothing to do with race. For example, I was originally a Dodd supporter but switched to Obama after my first choice was no longer viable. This was due to the fact that I, like millions of others, found Obama's message and platform more appealing. Hence, the effort to label him "the Affirmative Action" candidate is clearly just a way of denigrating him and his supporters based on his race. Consequently, it's racist.

Third, it's hypocritical given that some people also voted for Clinton based on race and gender... yet, the people who fling around 'Affirmative Action Candidate' only direct it one way despite the fact that Clinton herself was far less qualified than many of her opponents (i.e., Dodd, Biden, Richardson, etc.)

So while you certainly can toss around the label, it is both racist and hypocritical to do so. Sorry.

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 10:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Referring to the first African American

Well, just because it is not associated with a "program" does not make it incorrect.  In this case, some people are collectively enacting their own Affirmative Action "program", instead of, for example, some local school board.  Whatever, it's a group of people, in spite of some probable dissension, choosing to carry out specific choices.

The application of a label to a candidate may only descirbe one part of that candidate.  By saying "Affirmative Action Candidate", one aspect of his candidacy is being pointed out.  I do not falsely assume that most people voted for him because of race.  I don't know, but I think I can say that a significant percentage of people have.  At the precinct caucus I went to this past February, my boyfriend (an African American), was talking to a young white guy and asked him why he was voting for Obama.  The guy said, "Well, he's black."  That was all he could come up with! Ingratiating?

I agree that the label is negative.  That does not make it racist because there are sincere, non-racist reasons that some people are against Affirmative Action.  So, yes it would be a negative thing for them to call someone.  Some people believe Affirmative Action itself is racist.

By the way, I hardly agree that Clinton was far less qualified than Dodd, Biden or Richardson, but that's another issue.

by FireLight 2008-07-01 10:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite

You're Goldberry from Dailykos, right?  And you run The Confluence?  If you don't know what I'm talking about, you should go check your own site and your own old posts.  You linked to these guys yourself.  Now maybe you did it unwittingly or something, but the fact remains that you and people writing at your site used these two guys and others like them as sources, as did at least some of the bigger sites I'm familiar with on your blogroll like NoQuarter and Alegre's new place.  

The guys in question (and their sites) are straight up Nazis.  I don't mean they act un-PC, or they said something offensive about Obama, or anything like that.  This isn't the mindless screaming of "that's racist!" that some Obama supporters have engaged in on matters that were clearly not actually racist.  I mean these guys and their websites are actual swastika waving, eugenics believing, race war starting Neo-Nazis.

Let me be clear, I don't know you, and I don't paritcularly know whether you're a racist.  That's not what I said.  I just said you were linking to these guys, using their work as sources for posts, and the like.  Now maybe you just didn't notice their posts about eugenics/Black IQ's/etc. before and after their anti-Obama posts.  I know that's what Universal here claimed after she/he (whatever) linked to Vdare in several diaries and was called on it.  But even if that's the case, the fact remains that much of the criticism and smears you now cling to originated with those folks.

by Whash 2008-07-01 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite

turdberry is sad racist hack who linked to a Neo Nazi propaganda website countless times.

C'mon! Give me a break!

Dude runs a blog and is an active blogger how could he/she not know that these sites were places where Hitler worshippers met.

It's all in the Google cache and I have no idea why this person would even think of jumping in this diary with the kind of track record he/she has.

You can write the most elegant and verbose diary but your past behavior doesn't lie.

I've never called anybody a racist on this blog ( check out my comments if you like) but The Confluence and all the hate they stand for are pathetic. You're a racist, you just don't know it yet.

by spacemanspiff 2008-07-01 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite
Cite a post where I have ever linked to the people you refer to.  
BTW, when we see bad behavior, we delete it and send the commenter to the spam filter.  I myself have deleted REAL racist remarks.  But some of us do have day jobs behind firewalls where our access to our own blogs are restricted.  
Peridically, we edit our blogroll and if there are problem blogs, we remove them.  But as far as I know, none of my bloggers has linked to any of the people you are referring to.  It's not our thing.
by goldberry 2008-07-01 06:43PM | 0 recs
No Quarter is on your blogroll.

If you objected to racism, you'd remove it from your blogroll.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite

I imagine any smart business would block access to hate-filled sites like that. It makes sense.

by MS01 Indie 2008-07-01 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite

Wow... you've been mentioned in Vanity Fair...?  Gee, so has Absolut Vodka...!  You must be just THAT popular...!

And, the mere fact that you point it out proves one thing that I have long suspected about many of the more verbose of the supporters on some of these sites....  It was never about a candidate... It was all about you.

by JenKinFLA 2008-07-01 05:46PM | 0 recs
&quot;Some of my best friends are black

people."

You use blatantly Islamaphobic and racist language = you're a racist piece of shit.

Affirmative Action candidate is BLATANT racism.  It's not even code.  And you're not even coy about your bigotry, you delusional whackadoodle piece of rat shit.

18 Million infuriated Democrats?  Okay, Crackberry.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Some of my best friends are black

I can tell by your comment that you don't know any muslims.  They are not my close personal acquaintances.  They are my colleagues.  I work with them.  I have worked FOR them.  I see them in the mall, in the grocery store, in my neighborhood.  I have nothing to fear from these people and it pisses me off to no end that your candidate would think that an association with these people would be considered a smear.  

You've really gone off the deep end but I'm not really surprised considering that it's YOU.

When Obama got extra points from the RBC to put him out of reach, he was the beneficiary of something that looks amazingly like an affirmative action plan, whether it applies to race, gender, ethnicity, natiioal origin, sexual orientation.  I didn't invent this reality.  It was engineered by the party itself.  I am merely warning the reader that the Republicans are going to have a field day with it.

What are you going to do?  Chase people through the universe and insult them one by one because they point out the obvious?

Why don't you go find some real racists to play with.

by goldberry 2008-07-01 06:04PM | 0 recs
Did you show your Muslim friends

the bigoted diary that got you banned from Daily Kos?

And, you are using the RBC as an excuse to engage in BLATANT racist rhetoric.  No one here is stupid enough to believe that excuse.  Not even you.

You have a fucking blog, and you imagine yourself as the head of an 18 million person movement.  Check yourself into an institution.

In the mean time, you and your motley crew of racists, sociopathic narcissists, Republicans, and the mentally ill can go find a road and rot by it.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you show your Muslim friends

Are you using the accusation of racism to excuse the shenanigans of the RBC?

by FireLight 2008-07-01 09:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you show your Muslim friends

No, he's obviously saying that whatever disagreement you had with the RBC decision is no justification for engaging in blatant racist rhetoric.

Of course, justifying the RBC's decision (which is hardly a great feat) is an entirely different discussion altogether.

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:33PM | 0 recs
stinking pathetic.

You have the gall to pull out the "I have Muslim Friends" card after you wrote a racist screed against Muslims full of hate, scorn,   and stereotypes? It got you banned from Daily Kos it was so over the top filled with racist hatred.

You are a sick old woman like Harriet Christianson. Sad, pathetic, and disgusting to the core. LIke I said, I read your two diaries. They sickened me. They sickened the entire site. It's why you were banned for a lifetime.

To come here, and foul up  this blog, with your hatred and foulness, is beyond the pale. You should be ashamed. But racist bigots never are. They just keep spreading more bile and hatred e everywhere they go.

Get out of here. Stay in your own cesspool of hatred and bile. Don't pollute this site with your disgusting racist views that have no place in the Democratic Party. You shame HIllary. You shame the party. Your actions are despicable.

by TheFullBerry 2008-07-02 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite

"18 million infuriated Democrats."

LOL, how many unique visitors do you get each day? Seriously.

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Ok, I'll bite

"no character assassination and no rumormongering without evidence."

That's a cute rule, too bad a quick scan of your site reveals that what you consider "evidence" is rather loosely defined...

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:13PM | 0 recs
This is bad, not good.

How do you recommend your virulently racist supporters get together on your behalf without getting crucified? How do you point them in the right direction?

You renounce sites most people have never heard of. It's like walking into a room full of middle school boys and telling them that because pornography is wrong they shouldn't go to www.lotsofpornographyeverywhere.com (my apologies if that turns out to be a real address).

Now McCain gets the bump to his mavericky status (Oh look! He denounced racism!) and he gets national airing of the hatesites where his more rotten supporters can congregate.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-07-01 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: This is bad, not good.

No one is going to be swayed by those racist PUMA sites.  They are pathetic.  I think I have to give McCain the benefit of the doubt on this one and accept the idea that he did it because it was the right thing to do.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-07-01 04:27PM | 0 recs
Hey that is a site

thanks for the tip ;)

by catfish2 2008-07-01 05:35PM | 0 recs
Boy do I love lotsofpornographyeverywhere.com! nt

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-07-01 06:26PM | 0 recs
Hmm

Maybe it was just the low clickthrough.  

by activatedbybush 2008-07-01 05:29PM | 0 recs
Wrong and

dishonest, but I see you are playing to your audience. You take a few fringe sites with off color comments and paint the entire coalition as racist haters. Not true. Nonsupport for Obama does not equate racism and hate.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 06:52PM | 0 recs
McCain's boots seem a little

scuffed up.  Go polish them.

by Geekesque 2008-07-01 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain's boots seem a little

OOOoooo, good one. How old are you? 14.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain's boots seem a little

He's not the one voting against his interests over some racist internet conspiracy theories...

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain's boots seem a little

I'm voting in the interesting of preserving democracy within the Democratic Party. Conspiracy theories about gop PUMA racist haters are the only thing I see here.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain's boots seem a little

If the shoe fits.

by Jess81 2008-07-14 02:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong and

Your track record on truth is not strong. Are you ready to give me examples of sexism by Obama? I have politely asked you to provide this at least twice already.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-01 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong and

Lose the tone. Already did, check your comments for replies.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-01 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong and

Yes, but congregating at racist, hater web sites does equate to racism and hate.

by IsaccBurn 2008-07-01 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong and

First, they are not. Second, with that logic, then I DKos and MyDD congregates are also racist, haters as well.

by grlpatriot 2008-07-02 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: First and last

When a candidate has basically no record of accomplishment, has never held a full time job, has published two books which are now fodder for the RNC to use the lies in it, stands for no Democratic value that I know of - then yes, he is the affirmation action candidate.

Some posters here have eyes but cannot see, ears but cannot hear(or comprehend). The racist meme does not fit the persons you are trying to smear. But, the term just flows fluidly, easily doesn't it? You are a race baiter Geek - it does not work and it will not get him elected. He simply is not qualified. My last post at the orange place at the end of January said - this will set back race relations - I said it was not a cult(BO fans) but a cultural difference. What I really meant was a lack of culture. The term elilist should never be used for a supporter of BO or BO himself - ever. It is a misnomer. The correct use of  elilist is the best - as you can ascertain, from his resume, he is running on a vapor thin resume; hence he is a fraudulent candidate and the first and, I think from what is happening now and will continue, the last affirmation action candidate we will ever have. He will not be elected. Eight years of the phoney Bush made people totally aware of fraudulent MSM coverage and the corporate greed that foments it.

Do you know any others words other than racist? Good time to start building yourself a bigger world view.    

by Boo Radly 2008-07-02 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: First and last

"Has never held a full time job"?  Ooh, that's a new one!  So he's one of those shiftless, lazy...  you know, not like us hard-workin' white folks.

by username 2008-07-03 03:45AM | 0 recs
Stop lying, you GOP troll.

"Never had a full time job."

Yeah, you're not a racist liar or anything.

by Geekesque 2008-07-14 07:05AM | 0 recs
Sigh

The Reagan Democrats are now Clinton Democrats and have come back to the party, but the party leadership is more interested in nursing its wounded pride than in actually cementing its coalition. It would rather moralize than act. And, given the moral equivocation their selected leader has been showing in the last few weeks, it is uncertain they have a moral leg to stand on.

The message of economic justice still resonates with the majority of Democrats, as shown by Hillary's intense support, but that message is not accepted as true. When we talk about it, we're met by screams of "Racist! Racist!"and sneers that we have nowhere else to go. How can Obama's content-free message make contact with the real world? There is nothing to attach his rhetoric to, no central organizing principle. He talks about the "smallness of our politics," so what is it precisely that is to be enlarged? He has always backed away from the hard choice of throwing the power of the state behind the cause of social justice. At every point, Obama backs away from requiring these efforts, while Hillary embraced them. The Stevensonians have forced their preferred candidate on the party on their own terms, paying no mind to where they stand and what they want to accomplish. They may be centrists, but they no longer have a center to hold.

For Clinton Democrats, there is nowhere else to go with Obama because there was never anything there to begin with. There is nowhere else to go with O because there was never anything there to BEGIN with.

by Boo Radly 2008-07-02 09:06AM | 0 recs

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