Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassination

MSNBC has already taken the first step in this discussion, by saying that this probably helps the case for Rudy Giuliani.  Yeah, right.  The media a clearly idiots who need to just stick to reporting "what" happens.

This is a sad day for Pakistan and the future, but people had to see this coming.  There had already been attempts to assassinate her, and she knew that she was taking risks anytime that she went out into public.

But, just like 9/11 had political consequences, this will also reverberate through the remaining days leading up to Iowa.  

Here's what I think we'll be hearing:

MSNBC has already brought up the benefits for Giuliani's tough talk.  I am sure Giuliani will try and use this to his advantage.  

The other candidate who I am sure the media will say this benefits some, is Hillary Clinton.  Not because Clinton has started running the "I'll keep you safe" BS in her ads in Iowa, but because she is a "WOMAN", just like Benazir Bhutto.  

Will this assassination of such a high-profile woman cause even more women to flock to Clinton in the near future?  The Clinton campaign won't say so openly, but you can count on the fact that the wheels are turning in Mark Penn's head.

With only a week left before Iowa, I'm going to be listening to what Hillary Clinton says to see if they do so overtly, because I'm sure people like Chris Matthews will begin making the references today.

How do you think this will impact that campaign?

Tags: 2008, clinton, CNN, Election, Fox, Giuliani, Hillary, MSNBC, rudy (all tags)

Comments

41 Comments

Personally
I think we need to discuss the ramifications for the countries, Pakistan and the US, first. Tomorrow this discussioncan be interesting. Today it is a sign of the sickness of the Media.
by Big Tent Democrat 2007-12-27 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Personally

Joe Scarborough can ONLY think in terms of politics and he is already talking about how this helps Rudy and Clinton.

by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Personally

no you are wrong because you have used this event to claim that Clinton will play the gender card.  A disgusting allegation, since she has not once played it yet...despite the lies by Tweety etc... to the contrary, lies that anti-Clinton democrats have been only to happy to portray as the truth.

by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 06:45AM | 0 recs
Chris Matthews is a scumbag
Clinton hating nutcase.  I am sure he will say many despicable things about Clinton and perhaps his arguments will be as sexist as your initial analysis.
If this helps Clinton it will be because she is seen as being stronger on defense than the others and more experienced.  That is the reality and if you have been watching MSNBC you know that they have already said this might help Clinton, they certainly did not say it was because women would flock to her because she is a woman.  What in heaven's name are you thinking?
You have managed to insult all women with this bullshit. Again you are implying that she is ONLY the "Female candidate".
by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 05:32AM | 0 recs
Agreed... Chris Matthews is a scumbag

I just don't think I can even watch him tonight. I don't think I'd be able to stomach the bile Tweety will be throwing at Hillary tonight. I just can't believe how so many already want to politicize this terrible tragedy and declare "winners and losers" when a democracy activist (along with many more innocent people) was just brutally killed. :-(

by atdleft 2007-12-27 05:42AM | 0 recs
Give it up, framecop...

You're only digging the hole deeper with every insensitive comment you add to this rather inappropriate diary. Just stop it. Please, for your own sake and for ours. Just stop trying to make this tragic event into another "horserace".

by atdleft 2007-12-27 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Agreed... Chris Matthews is a scumbag

yes, it would be nice if just for a day they could focus on the fact that a real hero has been assassinated and what that means for the mid east.

by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Chris Matthews is a scumbag

At least you get coverage. The only time Matthews covers Edwards is when he calls him a "Passive Agressive" politician and rants about him. And at least you have the Clinton News Network behind your candidate.

by Progressive America 2007-12-27 05:49AM | 0 recs
Puh-leese...

That's just silly and stupid. "Clinton News Network"? Yeah, right. The same network that hyped up Monicagate, Whitewater, "The 20 Year Plan", the "Hillary tanking" meme, and whatever gossip passes as "news"?

Again, gimme a friggin' break! Benazir Bhutto just died, Pakistan is in chaos... And we're all arguing over how the media treats our candidates??!! What's wrong with us?

by atdleft 2007-12-27 05:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Chris Matthews is a scumbag

Edwards is not that at all.  What a stupid thing for Matthews to say.  Matthews is a pig, which is why I never watch Hardball.

by masslib1 2007-12-27 05:53AM | 0 recs
Clinton News Network
freeper talk.  Why repeat freeper memes?
I agree that Edwards doesn't get much coverage and that is because he has never been a front runner in this race. Unfortunately it becomes a negative feedback loop and you have a legitimate complaint there, but that's politics and the Edwards campaign hasn't found a way to get around that reality.
by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 06:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Chris Matthews is a scumbag

Agreed. Clinton is seen as stronger on defense. She supports invasions of countries when they're not even neccessary! I feel safer already.

by mcdave 2007-12-27 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Chris Matthews is a scumbag

What are you talking about?  Please provide proof for this statement, or I'll consider this post just more uneducated nonsense (which would also reflect negatively on the poster making such statements, of course.)  

BTW, the closest any candidate has come to saber-rattling is when Obama stated that he feels that we need to expand our battlefield to include Pakistan, and that to capture Bin Ladin he would go it unilaterally, should the Pakistani government put up resistance and disagrees to us going into their sovereign territory.

by georgep 2007-12-27 09:29AM | 0 recs
so few comments

so much blather. Thanks for sharing.

by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 03:16PM | 0 recs
I think women will

live perfectly well without your clueless advice to "get over it".  Typical dumbass liberal sexism.

by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 03:15PM | 0 recs
Ramifications of Bhutto Assassination

I'm not going to politicize this event.  

by masslib1 2007-12-27 05:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Ramifications of Bhutto Assassination

It shouldn't be and there you had msnbc talking up Rudy Guiliani, who has no national security experience whatsoever.

by Progressive America 2007-12-27 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

It should tell every Democrat that we are watching the disintegration of a nuclear armed regime, and electing some neophyte idiot who wants to raise the profile of those undermining that regime might be deadly.  

by ThinkingDem 2007-12-27 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

The only one it helps is Al Quida.

But of the rethugs i would think McCain gains the most.  Rudy is all talk about one day whereas McCain can show true unwavering guts.

I won't comment on the Dems since I think it helps them all.  It shows that Bush has totally mis-managed his so called war on terrorism.

by NewHampster 2007-12-27 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

Because perception is everything.  Even if they had nothing to do with it, they have created the environment so that in their ugly backward way they get credit.

I use it as the media does and I probably shouldn't.  I do feel the attack is from those inside or outside Pakistan opposed to a secular government of any kind.    

by NewHampster 2007-12-27 06:24AM | 0 recs
unfortunately for McCain

I think "9-11 9-11 9-11" works for Rudy when there is terrorist activity on the TeeVee screen.

by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 06:56AM | 0 recs
Re: unfortunately for McCain

He learned that from Bush.

Good ad would be.

Video of bush invoking 9/11 followed by Rudy doing the same.

Repeat.

by NewHampster 2007-12-27 09:15AM | 0 recs
good idea

but you know what I forgot?  I forgot all of Rudy's corruption coming out lately.  I am not sure even his 9-11 chant can save him now.

by MollieBradford 2007-12-27 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications

What this tragedy certainly does do is reaffirm the absolute necessity of having a United States President who is completely familiar with world affairs, and will not, on being inaugurated in 2009, require any on-the-job training, or need to consult with advisors to see his or her way through.

On the Democratic side, the only such figure in the current top tier is Senator Clinton.  Governor Richardson and Senators Biden and Dodd are extremely well-versed in foreign affairs, but they are not any of them anywhere near the top tier.

Former Senator Edwards' single term in the Senate is also insufficient to deal with the greater sweep of world affairs, and of course neophyte Senator Obama is alarmingly unprepared for the Chief Executive Office at this time.

While the MSM naturally gravitates toward former Mayor Giuliani, his strong affiliation with the current GWB administration also reveals that he has extremely poor judgment in assessing foreign political machinations.  

This is also the case with the other GOP media honey, Senator McCain.  Both have been disastrous in their assessments of foreign political situations, following to the letter, and to the current day, the wayward path of the completely inept President George Walker Bush.

And let us not forget that the MSM championed GWB in 2000 because he was "folksy," "related well to people" and "was not affiliated with the Clintons."  This theme is quite familiar--with Senator Obama this time.

As those of us who have long supported the Clintons understand--given their own individual shortcomings, as a team (and they were ever and always a team) in the White House presiding over fiscal and international affairs, there are simply no other candidates, singly or in tandem, who are better.

The American MSM loathes them, of course, and such sentiments may be echoed by much of the blogosphere, but a majority of American citizens, and certainly most of the rest of the world, pines for the return of the stability of Clinton Era.

And that does not mean the risk of presumptive gun-diplomacy politics as would be practiced by Senator McCain or former Mayor Giuliani.  

And it certainly does not mean hedging the control of the United States on a friendly neophyte like Senator Obama, who really hasn't got a clue.

by lambros 2007-12-27 06:18AM | 0 recs
Outrageous

Every single major candidate on the Democratic side is "completely familiar with world affairs." The assassination is a big problem, but it shouldn't be used as an argument for choosing any one candidate.

by HatchInBrooklyn 2007-12-27 06:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto

perhaps it may hurt hillary but she has strong Security team; edwards/obama will not gain.

Edwards is soft on terror! BO is a headache - cannot even do his job voting!

Biden may come out better!

by pate 2007-12-27 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications

It will be a blip.

by RandyMI 2007-12-27 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

Did not Obama's statement on bombing pakistan precipitate riots in that country?  He is clearly unprepared to deal with this crisis.

by truthteller2007 2007-12-27 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

No, it did not.  Thanks for asking.

by Steve M 2007-12-27 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

Yes, his statements did.  

by truthteller2007 2007-12-27 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

Here is a link:

Obama and Tancredo are the subjects of a demonstration in Karachi

We need experience, not dangerous naïveté.

by truthteller2007 2007-12-27 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

You must have linked the wrong article.  That link doesn't contain any reference to "riots" precipitated by Obama's comments, merely a mention of a political protest.

by Steve M 2007-12-27 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

In Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, about 150 people chanted slogans against the United States, Obama and Tancredo at a demonstration organized by Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal, a coalition of six hard-line religious parties. Protesters set fire to a U.S. flag.

It is still a protest, and they proceeded to burn an American flag as a result of Obama's comments.  

by truthteller2007 2007-12-27 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

Yes, some far-right political parties organized a protest.  Big fucking deal.  That doesn't make your claim that Obama precipitated "riots" any more truthful.

by Steve M 2007-12-27 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

His reckless statements also elicited condemnations from top Pakistani officials.  And there were also protests in the street.

Obama is dangerous.

by truthteller2007 2007-12-27 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

You seem to have a problem not only with telling the truth, but also with distinguishing the singular from the plural.

Be that as it may, I find it positively laughable that you believe Obama's foreign policy, or America's for that matter, should be judged by whether far-right elements in foreign countries become agitated.  Will that be your measure if your own candidate is elected President?  "Oh no, a right-wing political party has organized demonstrations against America, we must be doing something wrong!"

by Steve M 2007-12-27 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

I simply can't agree that the measure of a President is whether far-right parties in a foreign country organize protests.

Obama's remarks were not some gratuitous "bring 'em on" moment.  Many, many Democratic voters have felt for years that we need to be more serious about going after Osama bin Laden.

by Steve M 2007-12-27 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto Assassinatio

He was also condemned by top Pakistani officials.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Aug. 3 -- A top Pakistani official on Friday called Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama "irresponsible" for saying that, if elected, he might order unilateral military strikes in Pakistan against al-Qaeda. Protesters chanted anti-U.S. slogans and burned an American flag in the street.

by truthteller2007 2007-12-27 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto

how can u sit there as your fingers lie !

god you can never be objective -

This coming from the person who wrote a diary about Hillary being evil because her dog died.

ANYTHING that happens, you try to spin negatively for hillary.

by sepulvedaj3 2007-12-27 09:16AM | 0 recs
Can't elect Obama ... too green, too soft

We need Clinton or Biden.  Tough minded, serious, experienced hands.

by dpANDREWS 2007-12-27 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Political Ramifications of Bhutto

If one assumes that al-Qaeda was behind the assassination, your argument that Benazir Bhutto was killed becasue she was a female leader is valid.  However, if one believes (as I do) that the murder was ordered by Musharraf, then gender becomes a non-issue.  If Nawaz Sharif had become the leading opposition figure, he would have been the target, not Bhutto.

I don't know that this murder will change anyone's mind regarding the presidential election on the Democratic side.  It may continue the "freeze", which in turn, helps whomever is ahead today (and that depends on which poll one believes).    

by CLLGADEM 2007-12-27 09:58AM | 0 recs

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