This Must Stop Immediately

Someone mentioned on a blog that she was having a difficult time finding accurate information on the web doing a search for Hillary Clinton's legislative achievements. She tried a few different searches and all of them turned up results that were neither what she was looking for or accurate information. Instead she was directed to pages of "opinions" of her legislative achievements and all of them slanted against her. This practice is called Goggle bombing and it is an affront to our democracy.

The Goggle Bombing of information is a practice designed to keep unbiased information away from people and to replace it with specifically biased information. You might say that it is the Faux News of Search Engines. It is undemocratic, actually closer to fascism than anything else. It dumbs down the electorate and suppresses the ability to make rational informed choices. That it is embraced by so-called progressives is perhaps the most frightening aspect of it. Ironically some of these same so-called progressives claim to support Net Neutrality.

This practice must cease immediately. There are consequences to stepping over lines. And one thing you don't do is screw with our Democracy. Because we will screw back, longer and harder. And you won't like it.

Tags: Biased Media, fascism, Google Bombing, net neutrality, voter suppression (all tags)



Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Google bombing is a step closer to fascism?

Seriously... step away from the computer.... take a break.

Read a book.

Might I suggest something on search engine indexing methodology?

by zonk 2008-02-29 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

I am not a fool that doesn't understand how this works. I understand exactly how it works. It is gaming the system. And I am not surprised in the least that you support it.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Support it?

Hell - on multiple occasions, I've participated in it.

I like to take credit for "Miserable Failure" causing George W Bush's WH biography to pop up atop the search results list.

On to the larger issue, NO, I'm afraid you DON'T understand how search engine indexing works.  It's about a thousand times more complicated than you seem to think it is.

Google bombing is not responsible for "opinion articles" showing atop search results lists.

"Google bombing" is a very precise science.  It only works when one wishes to tie a VERY SPECIFIC PHRASE to a VERY SPECIFIC SITE.  

It does not generally muck up search results.   Search results -- "search engine indexing" relies on a very complicated formula of term proximity, cross-site references, term location appearance, abundance of the term -- sometimes even pay-for-play.

One cannot POSSIBLY influence an entire page of "Search Results" via "google bombing"... it's a very specific, one phrase - to one site linkage.

This is why, frankly, Google and other search engines don't really pay it much mind.

IT geeks like myself can certainly cause a funny link to show up on top of the list of results... but to organize the entire results page?

Good luck... it would be damn near mathematically impossible.

by zonk 2008-02-29 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

On to the larger issue, NO, I'm afraid you DON'T understand how search engine indexing works.  It's about a thousand times more complicated than you seem to think it is.

Well thanks for clearing that up for me.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 09:34AM | 0 recs
You're welcome

Not everything that doesn't go Clinton's way is a nefarious plot.

by zonk 2008-02-29 09:40AM | 0 recs
Did you oppose it when it was done to Republicans?

In 2006, Chris Bowers---from this site---did a "google bomb" aka "search engine optimization" of a number of vulnerable Republicans which promoted negative articles that appeared in traditional media sources.

I strongly supported this campaign.  Did you?

And if Clinton supporters want to do a campaign against Obama, that's fine.    

by bosdcla14 2008-02-29 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Did you oppose it when it was done to Republic

You are not a good advertisement for Obama.

Fleaflicker is right.  Google-bombing is a fascist tactic.  True, it's not murdering people.  But it IS designed to corrupt information, and to mislead.  I admit I laughed at the "Miserable Failure" trick, but back then I didn't know how it was done.  I thought it was a fluke.  

by PlainWords 2008-02-29 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you oppose it when it was done to Republic

Thank you.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 02:46PM | 0 recs
Hey, another chapter in Jonah Goldberg's book

"Liberal Fascism: Googlebombing"

More seriously, Bowers' campaign wasn't designed to "corrupt information" or "mislead."  It was designed to make sure that voters heard the factually accurate and negative story about Republicans by linking to a traditional media source that wrote about it.  

You do a significant disservice to an outstanding activist who was a great tribute to this site when he was here when you call this intelligent and legitimate tactic "fascist."  

Politics is a contact sport.  So I, as an Obama supporter, am not upset at Hillary running ads that are very similar to Bush '04 "OMG the terrorists will kill your children" campaign.  I don't get mad when Matthews goes after the Obama surrogate exclusively during a segment.  And when Clinton supporters call Obama supporters facists, or cultists, or whatever the nom de jure is this week, I mainly chuckle a little at what the once-inevitable Clinton machine has been reduced to.    

by bosdcla14 2008-02-29 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you oppose it when it was done to Republic

No I do not. People have the right to make up their minds about the issues and candidates using accurate information. Googlebombing distorts that information and diminishes people's rights to make informed decisions. I do not support it.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you oppose it when it was done to Republic

Linking to a traditional media report about someone's corruption is not "inaccurate information."  Its a question of what information is prioritized.  

Also, when I ask "did you oppose it" and you say "no I do not" but then say you "don't support it" is there some nuanced middle ground between support and oppose that you're clinging to?  Or did you not read the question?  

by bosdcla14 2008-02-29 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you oppose it when it was done to Republic

I do not now support googlebombing nor have I ever supported googlebombing. Manipulating access to accurate information is something I am opposed to, even when it is done to Republicans. I believe strongly that people should have the ability to make informed choices based upon accurate information. That is the beauty of the internet because in it's purest form information does not take sides. Tainting access to accurate information is an attribute of the Bush/Cheney crowd. I am a DEMOCRAT and I don't go for that stuff.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

I suggest you spend all day writing emails to google,  starting NOW!

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-29 09:13AM | 0 recs

Everyone knows that "google bombing" is just a front for how one REALLY goes about influencing search results.

You bribe the pigeons!

by zonk 2008-02-29 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Besides


Seriously, I can't wait for the day after March 4th.  But then we will probably be dealing with another month of "election fraud, media hate, unfair caucus, small state, cult movement", doom and gloom.

Can we just skip to November 19th?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-29 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Besides

You must not have gotten the memo...

  It's Puerto Rico baby !!!

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-01 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

No, it probably won't stop immediately; life will go on; and nobody will care much in a week or so.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-29 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

I care as do others. You cannot get away with suppressing information. And you won't.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Seeing as it isn't ME who is doing it, I don't know why you are using the personal pronoun.

I'm just saying that; after Hill loses next week, it won't matter too much, will it?


by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-29 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

My apologies for accidentally implying anything personal. I meant the use of the word "you" much more generically.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

You Obama bloggers are pretty smug.  It's going to be fun watching you get your a**es handed to you in the General Election.

by PlainWords 2008-02-29 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Smug is an accurate description. I could think of a few other words too.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 02:47PM | 0 recs
Google oBombing

If this were happening to Obama, the world would fall off it's axis.

by grlpatriot 2008-02-29 09:40AM | 0 recs

Google bombing cannot influence an entire SET of search results.


I mean - you don't have to be an IT whiz to just be able to use wikipedia, do you? ing

Notice how it keeps saying, over and over again "A" page?  Or it say "page view" and not "page views".

Good lord... you people are paranoid.

by zonk 2008-02-29 09:47AM | 0 recs

You are foolish for your constant attempts to make it seem like this is accidentally happening. It is easy enough for anyone that has any common sense to see that when a person types a certain phrase into a search engine and rather than it give results pertinent to the desired request it gives information not even remotely pertinent then something is not right. A week ago this was not happening. It is happening NOW. Google is well known for providing the most accurate responses of most search engines. Are you to have us believe that just suddenly they have gone all wacky on their own without some help elsewhere?

You can repeat your lines over and over again with greater emphasis or whatever the hell you like. It doesn't make your point of view any more substantial or honest. Wikipedia is only as accurate as the people that place information there. Hackers don't reveal all of their secrets. We are not fools.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 10:04AM | 0 recs
I give up

You win.

Actually - since Obama has wrapped up the endorsement of the Magic Gnome Union, the secretive but powerful MGU, that's what's managing to skew an entire set of search results.

You're making a fool of yourself here.  

Seriously - you're substantially out of your depth making such ludicrous claims.

by zonk 2008-02-29 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: I give up

Yeah, you admit to bombing and I am the one that is the fool. LOL!

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 10:21AM | 0 recs

One cannot "google bomb" their way to an entire results list.

'Google bombing' requires very specific targets.

You're claiming that your "friend" got a whole list of supposedly bogus results (another quick IT tip... you're computer cannot yet read your mind.  What EXACTLY did your friend search for).

It's mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to influence an ENTIRE list of search results on something as common as terms like:  Hillary Clinton legislation.

Your claim is just silly.

If what you're claiming WAS possible - the nefarious 'hackers' wouldn't be wasting their time going after Clinton, they'd be making MILLIONS working for a company like mine.  

Do you have any idea how much any company with a web presence would pay for someone brilliant enough to force rejigger an entire set of search results?

by zonk 2008-02-29 10:39AM | 0 recs
search engine optimization

There are concerted efforts underway to Google bomb candidates. You can throw your insults around and your supposed expertise in this area, but your tune would be different if was happening to Obama.  

by grlpatriot 2008-02-29 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: search engine optimization

Did you even read what you linked to?

Notice how the discussion revolves around picking the BEST target?

I'm sorry, I generally try to stay away from name calling, but seriously... if you think it's possible to google bomb your way to a customized search results list, you're just not very smart.

by zonk 2008-02-29 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: search engine optimization

That they are doing this out in the open shows that they think they will be able to get away with it. As long as they understand this is a two way street.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Can you contact Google?  Or do something with it?

by JoeySky18 2008-02-29 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Google will not do anything about this. The last time they were confronted with it they refused to take action. Maybe if someone had an in with Al Gore maybe something could be done about it. This is gaming the system, pure and simple. And the claims of innocence and you don't know what you are talking about from the other side (the one benefiting from the gaming) do nothing to change the facts.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 10:21AM | 0 recs
Google minimizing the impact

Still happening, but here is what Google has to say on googlebombing.

by grlpatriot 2008-02-29 10:29AM | 0 recs
Screw it

I'm rec'ing this...

More folks should have an opportunity to laugh at the silliness.

by zonk 2008-02-29 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Is there another search engine to use -- or do they all do this?

by moevaughn 2008-02-29 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

Of course there are any number of search engines. And i would not be surprised to see this on all of them.

by Fleaflicker 2008-02-29 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: This Must Stop Immediately

I reported his current plan to Google. Maybe that will shut this stuff down. I believe in fighting fairly. And winning.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-02 06:43AM | 0 recs


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