Spozed to talk about racial profiling, really wanna bitch about what authoritarian A-holes cops R

What's frustrating in the pseudo-discussion we're forced into 'having' by the mainstream propaganda machine is that at least some Americans want to say, "Back off, cops. You're our employees not our jailers."

When Mr. Gates continued shouting [update: he probly wasn't shouting] at the cop with his tired paranoid racial profiling rant, Mr. Crowley should've just taken it. Just taken it and still been civil and professional. You know, because that's what those of us in the service industry who don't have a right to tazer people do. We take it, and count it a good day when we've held our temper and survived to work another day. Cuz, unlike law enforcement, we'd get fired for going off on some asshole.

But, instead of that national conversation, we get to see cops closing ranks behind Mr. Crowley, acting like he was Mr. Standard Operating Procedure. And, yeah, they're right, but that SOP shit's the problem! Stop fucking with us, cops! We have a right to have a bad day, to be exhausted late in the afternoon, to be jet lagged like Gates was.

We even actually want to have a right to think what you're doing is wrong and, yeah, to shout about it. Don't we, America? (Recalling the applause for the officers fucking with the "Don't taze me bro" kid in Florida, is this another America, not the one I grew up in 30 years ago?)

But of course, instead . . .

. . . we'll be corporate-media bludgeoned with the unprovable and likely wrong paranoia that this particular incident was racial profiling. That is a real problem, and needs a real conversation, but it won't work in a context where it means that, without a shred of evidence, you're accusing Crowley of being a racist. I.e., in President Obama's words, it's stupid to have a conversation about racial profiling over this incident.

Anyway, fairleft here, over in Chicago working on my obsequious boot licking of authority skills, Amerika's future. And on strengthening my 'Germanic' sense of what's right and orderly too.

"Why are they arresting me? . . . What did I do? Don't taze me bro!"

Tags: authoritarian America (all tags)



Re: Spozed to talk about

I assume the 24/7 100% all Harvard Cops push here is part of a very smart plan to distract the foolish and keep them from causing more trouble on the Health Care front.

Good work!

I'll play along:


by QTG 2009-07-27 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Spozed to talk about

There's better things to talk about. But I feel funny talking about the health care bill when it doesn't seem to actually exist yet.

by fairleft2 2009-07-27 03:03PM | 0 recs
Wow, You've got to keep current...

Now, we simply chant over and over

Birth Certificate! Kenyan! Not an American!

Then we all say the Pledge of Alligance together and get back on the bus that takes us back to the Pyscho Ward after our nice day trip to the Republican Town Hall Meeting!

by WashStateBlue 2009-07-27 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow, You've got to keep current...
 Thanks! How did I leave the 2nd most important thing off my list? (this week's #1 is 'cop-hater')
by QTG 2009-07-27 03:23PM | 0 recs
human profiling

You're right, there are two subjects, at least. One is black motorists being pulled over more than whites for nothing, black pedestrians being 'questioned' for nothing, and sometimes arrested for nothing and prosecuted for not having the right fellow in custody. That's a real problem.

But my problem is fear of cops being too macho to follow the law.  I don't trust the highway patrol, I don't trust cops coming to my home to check out anything, and most cops are fine people who want to help me.  When official policies protect cops who use their power to demand respect and arrest those who don't respect them, we live in a police state.  

by anna shane 2009-07-27 03:04PM | 0 recs
but they protect each other too much

I agree most cops are fine people, but they protect each other too much, and that has a very corrosive effect on what it means to be a cop. If somehow they're superiors could break the code of omerta much of this crap would end and the citizens would regain control of their police forces.

by fairleft2 2009-07-28 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: but they protect each other too much

that's hard, expecting too much of fellow cops.  Doctors can't do it either, even with their impaired physician committees. We need civilians investigating complaints, and a civilian review of all 'dropped charges' and charges for resisting arrest for no crime, and disturbance of the peace for no crime.

With unemployment as high as it it, it's a good time to replace police officers who misuse their power. Let them go work for Blackwater, I say.  There should be security in the form of safety for police,which probably means backing up partners even when they're wrong, but not job security.  

by anna shane 2009-07-28 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: but they protect each other too much

What I meant by superiors in my mangled grammar was mayors and city councilmembers. That's who we elect to supervise the police.

by fairleft2 2009-07-29 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Spozed to talk

OK agreed.  But what of Professor Gates.  He falsely accused someone of both racial profiling and of being a racist?  Are we here all ok with that.  Branding someone a racist is a pretty big deal.  Has Gates or anyone else provided an evidence that Mr. Crowley engaged in either racial profiling and/or that his conduct justify an accusation that he is a racist.  I have not heard any.  Can Gates call anyone he wants a racist.

That doesnt seem right to me but then again Crowley was white and a cop so i guess by difination he is likely a racist???


by giusd 2009-07-27 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Spozed to talk

Can Gates call anyone he wants a racist.

Serious question? In America we cherish the right of citizens to speak their mind to criticize authorities.

Expressions of speech don't have to pass any evidence test.  People are just as free to express their doubts about this cop's motivation for arresting Gates, as you are to give the cop the benefit of the doubt.

by Rob in Vermont 2009-07-28 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Spozed to talk

I agree, and he has that great 'just flew back from Asia jetlag' excuse. He needs to apologize.

Of course, Obama still needs to apologize for his "stupidly" comment. Not a wordy and mealy-mouthed equivocation, just a very simple apology for biased assumption-making in favor of his buddy.

by fairleft2 2009-07-28 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Spozedly

giusd claims"[Professor Gates] falsely accused someone of both racial profiling and of being a racist?"

Has that been determined yet?

by QTG 2009-07-27 06:21PM | 0 recs
No, how could it ever be?

by fairleft2 2009-07-28 10:34AM | 0 recs
Which part?

gates did accuse Crowley of racial profiling, I believe.  Whether the charge is false is, as Fairleft2 says, unprovable.

by JJE 2009-07-28 03:55PM | 0 recs
"spozed" and "bitch"

What the hell?

Why not throw a "yo" a "wassup" and a "homey" in there for good measure.

And may I aks if anyone would use this conspicuous kind of slang for a diary on health care or foreign policy...yo.


by Strummerson 2009-07-27 10:23PM | 0 recs
And "wanna"!

by fairleft2 2009-07-28 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Spozed to bitch about A-holes

Does anyone remember what led up to the whole "don't taze me bro" incident?

And jesus, was it really that long ago?

by Jess81 2009-07-27 10:47PM | 0 recs
Young man behaving like an A-hole

gives cops right to taze. This incident may be very similar, though the official media will never ponder that. Gates probably was behaving like something of an asshole, but so what? It's the job of police to calm situations down and let non-disruptive assholery go, since in this case it sure sounds like just a citizen expressing his free speech. Even if, believe it or not, that free speech is an accusation of racism based on what looks to me like Gates' misunderstanding of why the cop asked him to step outside his house. The cop was right to do that, since it was safer for both Gates and the cop to be outside the house, which had not been secured (when there were reports of two men having broken in).

by fairleft2 2009-07-28 10:41AM | 0 recs
That's not entirely accurate

Crowley did not ask Gates to step outside.  He said that if Gates wanted to continue to talk, he would have to do so outside.  It didn't have anything to do with securing the house.

by JJE 2009-07-28 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: That's not entirely accurate

That apparent statement by Crowley was indicating that both of them had to be getting outside. That had to do, in proper and standard operating procedure, with the fact that the house had not been secured. Police must be 'paranoid' in these situations, and Crowley could not assume Gates was the only person in the house, he could not assume there were not one or two other possible thiefs in the house, and so on.

by fairleft2 2009-07-28 02:04PM | 0 recs
That's not reflected in Crowley's report

Quoting the police report:

"I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he had any further questions regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside the residence . . . . My reason for wanting to lead the residence was that Gates was yelling very loud and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to ECC or other responding units."

Nothing about securing the house for burglars.  I imagine if that had been the reason, Crowley would have so stated.

It's not clear why you are suggesting the burglar hypothesis, as it undermines your bully thesis (with which I agree) while the "come outside (so I can arrest you for disorderly conduct)" supports it.

by JJE 2009-07-28 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: That's not reflected in Crowley's report

Crowley was not going to attempt to secure the home by himself. But, I see your point, that he does not mention the SOP that you get out of a house when it has not been secured and all the suspected criminals have not been found. Crowley, I think, said later in some interview that he wanted to get out of the house because it was not secured, but if he didn't mention that reason in the police report then I'm suspicious of his real motives for stepping outside (and hoping Gates would follow?).

by fairleft2 2009-07-29 09:38AM | 0 recs


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