I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had Me At Solutions!

I just couldn't understand why you were making so much sense.  I was fighting it.  I've been told that you were Republican Light (like) from the right wing and male chauvinists.  I was supposed to hate you.  Being fed all these stories and claims.  Years of sewing the seeds to form prejudged version of the Hillary they wanted to portray you as.  But really, not who you are.

But then I actually started paying attention, listening, checking.  That was my turn.  I broke free from their control and actually started thinking and searching for myself.  You know, the control freaks, corporatists and bigots worst nightmare.  The illusions were broke.

No, Hillary couldn't be the one candidate with the best and true Universal Health Care.  I was told she was the one in bed with the Corporations.  That she wouldn't offer a Universal Health Care, to protect the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.  But she is.  A plan that will control costs and bring health care costs down.  Then I find that the reason  Republicans dislike Hillary, according to Darryl Issa on his appearance on Real Time, that she dared tried to pass Universal Health Care.  You know, that thing most people in our country believe, as Hillary does, that it is a moral right.  Surely at least Democratic politicians should be favoring the same principle, that Health Care is a right.  But then another Democratic candidate is actually attacking Hillary with the same attacks Republicans made for being against Universal Health Care.  This can't be right.  That's not what we were told.

Hillary is supposed to not be for the people and would continue Corporate rule.  She is supposed to pass legislation in favor of the Corporate donors instead of the people.  So why is it when I check, she indeed did oppose the Cheney Special Interest incentive loaded Energy Bill in 2005, but the new guy didn't?  She was the first to talk about closing Corporate loopholes and to talk about changing our trade laws to be Fair Trade with Labor and environmental policies.  And was always opposed to FREE trade.  And Hillary was the one who voted in favor of Prohibiting weakening of any law that safeguarded from unfair Trade Practicies.
Trade Practicies
Now I also find out that Hillary can receive contributions from donors, but that doesn't mean her vote is against the people.  She actually still voted to Cap interest rates to protect citizens from being gouged by Lenders.

OK.  This was all just so illuminating.  Hillary has been honest and puts her words where her actions are.

But wait.  We're supposed to now believe that Hillary doesn't care about the voters.  That she doesn't believe in everyone participating in our electoral process. That somehow she thought that votes were to be taken for granted or just come to her without even campaigning.  But even Hillary honored the DNC's wish to not campaign in Florida before the their Primary, because Florida scheduled their Primary before they were supposed to, wasn't it Hillary who waited for the polls close and go down there to just say thank you, you still matter to me?

"New York Sen. Hillary Clinton thanked Florida voters for their support. "I could not come here to ask in person for your votes, but I am here to thank you for your votes today,"Clinton told a cheering audience "

Isn't Hillary cris crossing the country (where legal) to reach out to voters, so they can hear what she will do for them and the country as President, regardless that it may not be for getting votes?  This week going from Pennsylvania, to Indiana and West Virginia, with a stop in Michigan, continuously talking about her "Solutions for America", to move us forward.  Real issues that are supported by her lifetime of work.

Thank you Hillary, you had me with your Solutions.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, presdient, solutions for america (all tags)



Re: I'm There, I See The Truth.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

My thoughts exactly!

by americanincanada 2008-03-19 09:41AM | 0 recs
As once said of Nietzche's mysogyny

"His ideas about women were mostly second hand and third rate."

The same thing applies to Hillary hatred and phobia.  Those are mostly the result of peer reinforced group think and second hand information spreading paranoia about how hated and unelectible she is.

Those who watch her independently for an extended period of time, are often surprised to find how much they grow to like her and how good she can be. That's what happened to me (That's also what has happened among some of her Republican colleagues).  A year ago, I was one of the "Anyone but Hillary" crowd.

by lombard 2008-03-19 10:31AM | 0 recs
Her debate performances proved that she

is our top candidate.  There is no comparison.

by earthoat 2008-03-19 10:36AM | 0 recs
Yes, how very true!

I still can't believe I couldn't come to this conclusion sooner. I used to believe all that crap about Hillary being "divisive" and "corporatist" and "bitchy". But when I stopped believing the spin and started doing my own homework, I was amazed to see that Hillary is NOTHING like the caricature the right-wing noise machine and "left" blogs paint of her. And when I actually got to see Hillary in person in Las Vegas when I volunteered for the campaign in Nevada, I was just blown away by her wonkish brilliance and true inner AND outer beauty. If only more people can get beyond the spin and see the real Hillary, they'll see just how much we need her to get into that Oval Office and start working for us! :-)

by atdleft 2008-03-19 11:10AM | 0 recs
me too

when she first ran for senate in New York I thought she was just another politician, and then I heard how she was working to get legislation passed in that pug controlled climate to help kids, moms, vets, the things I cared about, those so-called girl things that matter to me. Blew me away though when I heard her speak about exiting Iraq and realized she knew we had to get our business interests out to let the international community get involved and not feel they were abetting a criminal war. She is about solutions, getting a deal that will work, figuring out what needs to get done and what can get done and how.  She may be the brightest and best leader this nation has produced.  

by anna shane 2008-03-19 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, how very true!

Hillary battles with a cartoon character image that has resulted from 16 years on the national stage.  You know, being constantly attacked and defined by the right, and sometimes from inside the Democratic party.  We all know the caricature:  she's cold, calculating, she always has an ulterior motive, she'll do anything or say anything to get elected.

Of course, Hillary is not like that at all.  I think she's probably the most gifted public servant of our generation.  Would be a tragedy, in this crucial time, if we didn't get a chance to have her as president.

Oh, about her image - she has actually succeeded in this campaign of breaking out of that image, and more and more people are seeing the real Hillary Clinton.  When she does something that doesn't fit that image, the media usually goes wild.  Good example, at the end of the Texas debate, she made a nice conciliatory gesture.  Then the next day in Ohio, she got angry at some negative Obama mailers.  The media went wild.  "Which Hillary Clinton will show up at the debate!" "She's got multiple personalities!"  It's so hard for the media to accept that she can be emotional, she can be generous, she can get angry, she can be sarcastic.  Hell, she's a real human being!

by Benjamin3 2008-03-19 06:48PM | 0 recs
To know Hillary is to grow to like her.

You are so right.  I live in a small, very conserviative town in upstate NY.  Do you know that Hillary cared enough about her constituents in NY that even though she voted against Medicare part D, she held small town halls all over NY to get information out to seniors on how the new laws will work.  I was luck enough to be working from home that day that I took my mother in law to listen.  Although this small really republican village was prepared to dislike Hillary, by the end of the talk, she had them literally eating out of her hand.  In fact, funny enough, I stood up to ask a question on the Iraq war, and all these seniors gave me glaring simmering stares.  You would think they were trying to shield Hillary.  It was really hilarious.   I really grew to like her after that day.  What a woman.

by moonheart 2008-03-19 02:01PM | 0 recs
She refuses to be bitter or dismiss

She just keeps plugging away refusing to fear or loathe those who haven't supported her.  She developed an amiable relationship with Newt Gingrich after he called her a bitch.  She has charmed some Republican colleagues in the Senate who voted to impeach her husband and dreaded the thought of working with her.  Despite her lack of support from the African American community in this primary, she has continued to show up enthusiastically when invited to events sponsored by African American organizations.  At the height of the Monica Lewinsky crisis, she kept her head up and went out on the road and campaigned gamely for Democratic senate candidates.

This is all just more evidence of her "responsibility gene."  One columnist joked earlier this season that her campaign could probably use the line from the famous Beatle song, "Girl, you've got to carry that weight."

by lombard 2008-03-19 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary,

I agree - it is sad that both the media and the liberal blogosphere seem so intent on destroying the best hope we have for true, meaningful change in this country.  I truly believe that such change cannot come from Barack Obama right now.  Our only hope is Hillary.  And if you actually take an hour to listen to what she has to say, in her own words, it is pretty good stuff!

by mikes101 2008-03-19 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: strange bed-fellows

"both the media and the liberal blogosphere seem so intent on destroying the best hope we have for true, meaningful change"

exactly.  remember that happened in 2000 too? "progressive" types jumped right on the MSM bandwagon to dump on Al Gore. Now of course, they've changed their tune and love Gore -- a little late.  Four years from now they might have a similar realization about HRC -- but again too late.  Some "progressives" seem to be really behind the curve.  They don't like to hear it, but they are gullible and naive, and time and again fall for MSM and Rovian propaganda.  

Please young progressives:  think for yourselves and don't succomb to peer-think and propaganda.

by moevaughn 2008-03-19 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: strange bed-fellows

Excellent post.

I can hear the condescending comments now "there's no differnce between Gore and Bush", therefore I'm voting for Nader.

No difference, huh? 4000 lives, 3 trillion dollars and countless other lost opportunities.

No difference.

by Si Ella Puede 2008-03-19 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: strange bed-fellows

thank you for this perfect follow-up to my comment!

by moevaughn 2008-03-19 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth.

I am with you. I was one of those who think either Obama or Hillary would be fine. But I was really frustrated by all the attacks on Hillary using exact Republica talking points. Now I strongly support Hillary. The more I get to know her ACTIONS, the more I like her! Go Hillary!

by praxis1 2008-03-19 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

What a wonderful diary.  Made my day.  Highly recommended.  I don't know why people are so "blinded by the right's" 17 year old smear campaign.

It's unreal.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-03-19 10:01AM | 0 recs
Great diary.
Then I find that the reason Republicans dislike Hillary, according to Darryl Issa on his appearance on Real Time, that she dared tried to pass Universal Health Care.

Nah, they just hate her because they're Republicans, and all good conservatives know that bitches are supposed to be workin' in the kitchen and bakin' pies for their hubbies. They're not supposed to be active components of their husband's administration.

by sricki 2008-03-19 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Great diary.

and pregnant and barefoot!

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-19 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

brilliant. YOU ROCK.

by zane 2008-03-19 10:17AM | 0 recs
Thank you for pointing out the facts!

It would be helpful if more people saw this.  Perhaps you could cross-post it at some other blogs as well.  Maybe then other people would see the light as well.

by cjbardy 2008-03-19 10:30AM | 0 recs
Thank you all

and that's a good idea.  But I'll have to register to some first. :)

by environmentally blue 2008-03-19 10:49AM | 0 recs
Great job, enviro blue!

Really, this is a FANTASTIC diary about the REAL Hillary. And yes, you should probably consider cross-posting at:

- EENR Blog

  • TaylorMarsh.com (as a "hot topic" linking to here)
  • TalkLeft.com
  • openleft.com

Maybe that big orange Kos place doesn't want our business, but I'm sure there are many other places online that would LOVE this diary. :-)

by atdleft 2008-03-19 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Great job, enviro blue!

And dont forget DailyKos.

Way more hits per day than all those sites combined.


by Silence Do Good 2008-03-19 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Posting This At Orange

I wouldn't go there if I were you...unless you've got a masochistic streak.

by creeper1014 2008-03-19 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Great job, enviro blue!

Clinton bloggers are officially on strike from DailyKos.  Don't cross the picket line!

by Benjamin3 2008-03-19 09:20PM | 0 recs
Yeah, like it will be taken well there

Can't believe you suggested that. We all know what will happen there. Why would you want the diarist to go through that?

by splashy 2008-03-21 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary,

Didn't Obama vote against capping credit card interest rates??

Bush wants Congress to vote on Columbia FTA - Hillary has previously stated she'd vote against it. Don't know about Obama.

Great diary - thanks!

by annefrank 2008-03-19 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary,

Sadly no.  You'll see his NAY vote on the link.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-19 11:15AM | 0 recs
You had me at solutions.

I like the title.  Great choice.  

She had me at solutions as well.  Then I got to see the smiles, the fighting spirit, the uplifting speeches during the bad month of February.  I have become a die hard fan.

<quote>For everyone who's ever been counted out
but refused to be knocked out,
and for everyone who has stumbled
but stood right back up,
and for everyone who works hard
and never gives up, this one is for you."</quote>

by JoeySky18 2008-03-19 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: You had me at solutions.

Yes, I agree.  Excellent follow up. :)

by environmentally blue 2008-03-19 11:18AM | 0 recs
I was all for Hillary before the voting started

and even defended her when my winger relatives would email me.

but her ACTIONS caused me to turn away in disgust.

She isn't even acting like a Democrat - she is running like a Republican.

by Pissoff 2008-03-19 11:14AM | 0 recs
Oh, do share.

Uh yeah, sure.  Only the facts and reality show complete opposite.  

by environmentally blue 2008-03-19 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, do share.

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by Pissoff 2008-03-19 11:37AM | 0 recs
sorry - Keith Said It Best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70wOzCkWN 5g

Get Out Now Hillary. You are hurting the Party.

by Pissoff 2008-03-19 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: sorry - Keith Said It Best
Olbermann is turning into a caricature of himself. Countdown is full of Britney Spears, "Woooorrrrrst Perrrrson in the Wooorrrrrld" and nutsoid Oddball segments. I once thought Olbermann aspired to be a journalist. Some of his Special Comments were outstanding. But as his ratings grew his integrity shrank, much like a certain blogger. We've watched our last Countdown here.
by creeper1014 2008-03-19 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

OT - but if anyone is going to be in the DC area next Wednesday (3/26), please try and attend this event (no, I'm not a paid shill, but I'm going and it sounds like fun)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/actioncent er/event/view/?id=11135

March to Victory

Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 4:00 PM -  8:00 PM

DAR Constitution Hall
1776 D Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006
General Area:

March to Victory! Please join us for an evening with Senator Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton Wednesday, March 26 Doors open at 4:00 p.m. Program begins at 6:00 p.m. DAR Constitution Hall Washington, DC Metro: Farragut West Contribution Levels: General Admission: $25 Supporter Seating: $50 Friend Seating: $100 Champion Seating: $250 Platinum Seating: $500 RSVP at http://www.hillaryclinton.com/march by Sunday, March 23. All contributions must be received prior to the event. Primary funds only. If you have already maxed out to the primary, please raise $250. To join the event committee or to contribute, please contact Sharon Yang at syang@hillaryclinton.com or 703-875-3436 or sign up online at www.hillaryclinton.com/march

Sharon Yang

by cmugirl90 2008-03-19 11:18AM | 0 recs
I'll go if Barack Obama will be there.

Now he is a great candidate!

Did you catch that speech yesterday? Awesome!
Check it out on youtube, 1.3 million views so far and counting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbL UU

by Silence Do Good 2008-03-19 12:13PM | 0 recs
So true

and mirrors my own progression as well. It's all about recognizing the cognitive dissonance - the difference between what you are being told and what you actually observe.

Thanks for the great diary.

by OtherLisa 2008-03-19 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There

It's ironic that last year when the Republicans put forward a bill to condemn MoveOn.org, Sen. Clinton defended MoveOn and voted NO to condemnation.  Sen. Obama did another "no show'; said he couldn't be bothered to vote one way or another.  So who does MoveOn turn around and endorse? Some so-called progressives don't know what side their bread is buttered on.  

by moevaughn 2008-03-19 11:37AM | 0 recs
Only 1.7 million MoveOn members voted

Another "Big State" Hillary lost!

by Pissoff 2008-03-19 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Only 1.7 million MoveOn members voted

 yeh , they endorsed somebody who wouldn't even stick up for them when they were being attacked. really smart of MoveOn.  now let's see how their smart choice does in the GE with what amounts to some smart "progressives" and the AA vote.  we'll see.

by moevaughn 2008-03-19 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Only 1.7 million MoveOn members voted

Then according to your calculations, MoveOn is losing a lot of members in their rush to endorse Obama, only 200K voted for him.  OUCH!

by LindaSFNM 2008-03-19 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Only 1.7 million

thanks for the numbers correction!

by moevaughn 2008-03-19 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Only 1.7 million MoveOn members voted
Here's one member MoveOn lost.
by creeper1014 2008-03-19 04:30PM | 0 recs
Another here

I unsubscribed immediately.

by splashy 2008-03-21 08:43AM | 0 recs

Her "solutions" meme didn't even surface until she started Tanking and losing election after election.

So she had you once she started losing?

Your bookie must love you.

by Pissoff 2008-03-19 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Solutions?

Enviro Blue likes HRC's plans for the country better than BHO's and thinks she'll be a better president.  E-Blue clearly doesn't have just a horse-race mentality; although she certainly will do better in the GE than BHO.

by moevaughn 2008-03-19 12:41PM | 0 recs
I prefer Obama he isnt WalMart

I guess all the Hillary supporters here love WalMart, correct?

WalMart almost single handedly started the "make it in China" revolution.
They went to China, offered all the help needed to set up the factories, move the machines, lay off the American workers and hire the Chinese workers, the whole time they seemed to have the "inside track" diplomatically to the Chinese government.

I wonder who that "inside track" was...

You guessed it, Hillary Clinton.

Just after leaving the White House and before running for the Senate Hillary spent 6 years on the board of directors of big bad WalMart.

Did she see what this company was trying to do and then run screaming from the first board meeting? no

Did it bother her that WalMart's business strategy inculdes underselling the local stores, even you it means losing money, for as long as it takes to PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS!

No it didn't seem to bother Hillary, she stuck around for six years in that den of evil, plotting with them how to move another factory to China, how to send more jobs overseas, how to put whole towns out of business.

So next time you are looking for a positive change, think WalMart, and think Hillary Clinton, they are one in the same.

Silence Do Good

by Silence Do Good 2008-03-19 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: I prefer Obama he isnt WalMart

Woa, that's smart.  Now you want to claim Hillary started and owns WalMart, huh?  Why don't you just make up a list and post your tales for us.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-19 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: I prefer Obama he isnt WalMart

Not what I'm claiming at all.

I'm saying that what would have make any progressive person quit, and cringe, did not have that effect on your candidate.

She stayed and helped for 6 years.
I wonder how many Jobs were lost and how many businesses went under while she was "Helping"

by Silence Do Good 2008-03-19 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I prefer Obama he isnt WalMart

You must be kidding.  As a lawyer, she did some work for WalMart and she get's to accept credit for all their business dealing and practices.  That's ripe.

What must you think of Obama's 20 year friendship with a Slum Lord, that he did favors, wrote letters for business, went on committees for only 3 months to help passage of projects, when low income constiuents were suffering at the hand of his friend and his enabling, stealing from the government for the people.  While going on tv and claiming he only worked about 5 hours with the man.

Oh, and lets not go in to his 20 year friendship with his Pastor/Spiritual Advisor, where he also lied that he never heard those incindiary and hateful, racists, bigoted, demeaning and divisive words, that he even put him as a lead advisor on his presidenital campaign after knowing his words may cause them to have to part ways.....for over a year more.  

Don't spout your holier than thou stuff here when it is your candidate that is behaving so vile.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-19 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I prefer Obama he isnt WalMart

There is an interesting diary here from this morning.  It addresses Clinton's POV on mountain top removal.  You are "environmentally blue" so I thought you might want to read the link.  I do not know what Obama's POV is on this, but hers is not good.  Since she is your candidate, you might want to write and object.  I do when my candidate choice supports something I do not care for.

http://www.appvoices.org/index.php?/fron tporch

by mady 2008-03-19 12:11PM | 0 recs
I learned a great deal from this more balanced

view of the young Hillary Clinton's relationship to Wal-mart.  As a union organizer, I get this one thrown at me all the time.  Here's the reasoned balanced assessment of her time at Walmart that does it the most justice.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/pol itics/20walmart.html

"Wal-mart"  is another one of those sound-bite pot-shots thrown at both candidates that takes the complex issues surrounding a triumph of strength and integrity and remanufacturing it into sludge.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-19 06:08PM | 0 recs
That's a good article

I live in Arkansas, and it's pretty right on. It HAD to be very difficult to deal with all the "good 'ol boys" that think that women have NOTHING good to say  or any ideas that have any merit. I'm sure that was a very good education for her on how to work with them in a way to get things done, useful now when it comes to working with those in the federal government.

No wonder she has been able to do what she has. There is value in actually getting something, ANYTHING, done when dealing with people that think you are just an ornament. You have to make them think it was THEIR idea, and if the ideas are radically different from their usual it is a major challenge. You have to sneak it by little by little, until they are doing what is needed. A frontal push gets you nowhere.

VERY difficult.

by splashy 2008-03-21 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There

Enviro Blue, I share your concern about Sen. Obama's vote on that 2005 Energy Bill, a give-away to the oil companies, which Sen. Clinton voted against.  Also it's good to contrast the positions of HRC and BHO on nuclear power.

I saw Hillary here in NH at a town hall meeting on the environment.  She was asked by someone about creating  new nuclear plants as a  way to achieve energy independence. She argued against it, saying there's a big problem with disposing nuclear waste.  

And here's a Democracy Now excerpt on the candidates positions on Nuclear Power.  They both support green solutions, but Obama wants to include nuclear, Hillary not.

AMY GOODMAN: We turn now to the issue of nuclear power. We'll play a clip of Senator Clinton and Barack Obama talking about nuclear power at the Democratic debate in Utah last July.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: I actually think that we should explore nuclear power as part of the energy mix. There are no silver bullets to this issue. We've got to develop solar. I have proposed drastically increasing fuel efficiency standards on cars, an aggressive cap on the amount of greenhouse gases that can be emitted. But we're going to have to try a series of different approaches.

ANDERSON COOPER: Senator Clinton, what is Senator Edwards-- is he wrong on nuclear power?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, first of all, I have proposed a strategic energy fund that I would fund by taking away the tax breaks for the oil companies, which have gotten much greater under Bush and Cheney. And we could spend about $50 billion doing what America does best. It's time we start acting like Americans again. We can solve these problems if we focus on innovation and technology. So, yes, all these alternative forms of energy are important. So is fuel efficiency for cars and so is energy efficiency for buildings.

John is right, that until we figure out what we're going to do with the waste and the cost, it's very hard to see nuclear as a part of our future.

But this issue of energy and global warming has the promise of creating millions of new jobs in America. So it can be a win-win if we do it right.
also:  Robert Kennedy Jr, a passionate environmentalist, has also endorsed Hillary.

by moevaughn 2008-03-19 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There

Both sides refer to votes on an energy bill Congress passed in 2005. In the Senate, Clinton voted against the bill and Obama voted for it.

It is a stretch to call it "Dick Cheney's energy bill," a hot-button reference for many Democrats. Although the House bill was framed according to the vice president's energy priorities, by the time it passed the Senate many of those measures, such as drilling in an Arctic wildlife refuge, had been stripped away. Its broad new benefits for nuclear power and the coal industry mirrored Cheney's priorities, however.

Although opposed by environmentalists, many Democrats viewed the final bill as the best compromise that could be achieved in a GOP-controlled Congress. Clinton at the time said she opposed the bill because it did not do enough to cut reliance on foreign oil and address global warming.

Clinton's claim that the bill "was loaded with new tax breaks for oil companies" also overstates the case. While it included $2.6 billion in tax breaks for oil and gas industries, that was offset by nearly $3 billion in oil taxes, mostly in an extension of the oil spill liability tax. The bill's $14.3 billion in energy tax breaks mostly went for renewable energy and efficiency programs and the nuclear and coal industries, both of which are prominent in Obama's home state of Illinois.

Obama is correct when he says Clinton voted against renewable fuels and auto fuel economy. During the 2005 energy deliberations, Clinton voted against an amendment that would have required an increase in the federal auto fuel economy standard, known as CAFE; Obama voted for it. The measure failed, 28-67.

Clinton opposed the energy legislation's mandate for more ethanol use as a gasoline additive But on that, she was not alone as Northeast and West Coast senators worried the ethanol requirement would lead to higher gasoline costs outside the Farm Belt. Democratic Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and John Kerry of Massachusetts, both now Obama supporters, and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., also voted against the energy legislation as did California's two Democratic senators.

In late 2007, as they geared up to begin running for president, both Clinton and Obama voted for boosting auto fuel economy by 40 percent to 35 miles per gallon, and for a huge expansion of ethanol use as part of the energy bill passed by Congress. President Bush signed the bill into law last December.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-19 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth.

Thanks.  Recommended diary, from an Obama supporter.
What I appreciate is that you get squarely behind your candidate, giving praise where it's deserved and without gratuitously trying to disparage Obama or any other candidate for that matter.

This raises a point that relates to the conduct of our candidate's election campaigns.  I think our candidates have been at their strongest when they are making a case for themselves, rather than against the other candidate.  

Some might say that the politics of destruction are just an incovenient reality of the election process. Deep down we all know that we're better off without such politics, but when emotions are high, we throw our ideals out the window.

by haystax calhoun 2008-03-19 12:16PM | 0 recs
great diary -
she had me since 2006 when she ran for reelection in NY.
by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-19 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M
Tell ya what...
It no longer matters what Sen. Clinton's positions may be. It does no longer matter if they are better or worse. What matters is the delegate count plain and simple.
All you folks wanting Clinton to bring it to the Convention? I invite you to come here to Denver
in Aug....Bring yourselves and your beliefs that a person with neither the majority of pledged delegates nor overall "popular" vote should be our nominee...
by nogo war 2008-03-19 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

I'm curious: what would your position be if she was behind in pledged delegates but ahead in the popular vote?  While that scenario may not be especially likely, it is plausible; she has a much better chance of catching up in the popular vote than in the pledged delegate count.  What, then, ought a superdelegate to do?

by Alex 2008-03-19 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

Well, it may not come to that.  I think that at this point, Barack Obama is unelectable in the general election.  And I think SD's and party leaders have realized that - if they have any common sense at all.

But the ending of this primary season is not going to be pleasant, no matter what happens.

by Benjamin3 2008-03-19 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

So does this mean Obama will concede before the Convention?

Isn't it sad that now Obama is blocking voting?  Is this the only way he can try to hold on, to deny voters?  Governor Dean is for Michigan and Florida revoting.  Hillary has announced her support for it, so the voters can vote, but Obama is denouncing and actually trying to put out talking points "it might embarrass the Democratic Party" to revote.  WHAT?  Where has he been?  Governor Dean started this out saying he wanted to Delegates to count.  He offered long ago for another vote after their initial Primaries.  I think it embarrassing that Obama is stopping votes to count.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-19 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

By being on the side of disenfranchising voters, Obama is arguing against his own candidacy.  Democrats in Michigan and Florida would not turn out for him.

by Benjamin3 2008-03-19 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

I think you fail to see the seriousness of this issue with Jeremiah Wright.  Obama's spiritual advisor; Obama attends and contributes to this church for 20 years.  Obama says he was only there for the occasional controversial comment, but come on.  He's an intelligent man and I'm sure he understands Black Liberation Theology.

In a general election, GOP 527's will run Jeremiah Wright's greatest hits 24/7.  Believe me, the anti-American anger and hatred coming from Wright will not go over well in mainstream America.  Obama cannot separate himself from Wright, who has had such a huge influence on him.  If the Democratic Party nominates Obama, it is electoral suicide.

by Benjamin3 2008-03-19 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

As though HRC isn't used as the bogeyman of GOP fundraising.

We can either face race or run from it.  We can honor our primary/caucus system, or we can overturn it.  We can build our party out with new constituencies, or we can fracture it like Chicago in 68.

We can accept being triangulated, or we can accept hope.

by steampunkx 2008-03-20 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Not to get off topic

But it was a wonderful diary-if you watched the videos "The HIllary I Know" that's where I saw her heart,.
    I just can't quite figure the Obama supporters being so against progress and thinking outside the box.
     Ya know just because she ain't as young as Obama doesn't mean she ain't a radical-my God she is the only one who is going against the grain- I guess the figure only 20 something's can "rage against the machine"  
     She's going have US out of Iraq in 16 months-he's just not sure when he'll s tart getting us out
     I do herbs-was dead set against having to buy healthcare-as it would take money away from what it is I do for myself-but then I started thinking, if I belief as I do that "...we mutually pledge to each other our lives, OUR FORTUNES, and our sacred honor." (Dec. of Ind.) then I should have no problem paying into a plan that would help to cover all of us. I could use it for my annual physical, but also that (in my mind at least) it would help to take care of someone else in this country.
     Soldiers take care of us-they have the VA, but what do we do for each other? Also I figure with some 250 different plans avail-there's gotta be sometin' there I can use.
       And so I don't get why young Obama supporters, who are probably the ones who are fighting for a green tomorrow both locally and globally, can't see that the one person who is ready to fight for that TODAY is in fact Hillary. And remember this too, being "green" doesn't mean that it's only hip to take care of someone over in some other country while forgoing what we have going on right here at home (US- I call that locally) that vibration then radiates out globally folks. Obama with what I've seen lately doesn't really quite grasp that kind of "vibratioinal" theory-not in the pews he's been sitting in.
    I recently had quite the discussion with a young lady at a tonic bar in town and she became quite upset that I likened the government to a corporation-but from what I've seen of Hillary's plan she is ready to take this "company" GREEN. Take a close look at her plan and tell me that it's not a plan for what a "green" company would look like.
   And so the "progressives" dislike her because why? My question is this are they really progressive, or they the ones afraid to let go of the past-because then they like the republicans would have nothing to complain about.

 Just a thought.

by artsykr 2008-03-20 01:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Not to get off topic

Ironically, "progressives" jumped on the MSM bandwagon to dis Al Gore in 2000.  Now these same "progressives" love Gore -- just a little late. Now they have jumped on MSM bandwagon again to dis Hillary -- maybe in four years they'll realize their mistake again.

Sadly "progressives" seem to be easily duped by MSM propaganda -- and have a hard time thinking independently (the peer pressure, group-think thing).

"progressives" have an awful pattern of being behind the curve.

p.s. I always put progressives in quotation marks now, because I don't think they are as progressive as they think they are.

by moevaughn 2008-03-20 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

Good to see the Bamboozler didn't get you. Or the Hoodwinker.

Wouldn't these make awesome villans in a new Superhero movie?

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-20 06:03AM | 0 recs
Hillary's lifetime of work

I think the press is giving her short-shrift for the fact that she mismanaged her health care proposal, and then really didn't do anything in the white house for the next 7 years.  I mean sure they can denigrate photo-ops and being discluded from policy discussions, they can point out that Bill dissed her in Israel after she misspoke there, but that's all just the media reporting on what happened.

Now we're faced with a choice: we can either vote for the Democratic candidate who, playing by the rules as written, is winning, or we can choose the candidate that is giving a choice.  A choice between voting for her or having her render the other candidate invioable by any means necessary.

And that's a call for party loyalty that I can't resist.

by steampunkx 2008-03-20 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth. Hillary, You Had M

Great diary.  I wasn't always excited about Hillary.  She won me over with her thoughtful and specific ideas and plans and her proven ability to achieve changes.  The fact that she won me over, as well as many Independent women I've talked with, not to mention die-hard, lifelong Democratic men of my acquaintance, also tells me she is our best shot to win the GE.

by Montague 2008-03-20 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth

And she has resilience in spades.  

Which other candidate, pelted daily by the media--whether print, broadcast, or blogosphere--would have had so much stamina?

Since January, how often has the MSM written her epitaph?  

After the Iowa caucus she was dead; just before New Hampshire and Nevada, just before Super Tuesday, after Senator Obama's eleven-state win streak; just before Ohio and Texas--and even now, when Senator Obama would seek to be his party's nominee having by-passed Michigan and Florida?

She will be very likely a double-digit winner in Pennsylvania, and likely an easy winner in both Kentucky and West Virginia, as well as in winner-take-all Puerto Rico wherein the Latino population is preeminent, and ever adoring of the Clintons.

And where does that then leave Senator Obama going into the Convention?

He will have lost every blue state, save his native Illinois, and every major state save Illinois and the very narrow victory in Missouri.

And of course Michigan and Florida will have been disregarded completely.

And he will have arrived at the nomination by having trashed the former President and First Lady--the Democratic Party's own standard-bearers.

And this is the unifying "JFK/MLK" who would prevail in November?  Even before the implications of his twenty-year relationship with a White-damning minister have been fully realized?

The saddest irony is the fact that in so many ways, she is far more progressive than has been or ever could be Senator Obama.  

On the basis of a war vote, which some 75% of the country then believed in, and she representing a state whose territory was attacked on 9/11, the liberal blogosphere went into over-drive to defeat her.  

And they all began with the presumption that Senator Obama's vote, were he actually in the United States Senate, would have matched his rhetoric at the time--while he was still safely ensconsed in Illinois state politics.

As a former Right-winger once wrote, he was "Blinded by the Right."  Now, when it is the most critical election possible America has ever had--both economic and foreign affairs now in shambles--how ironic that so many Democratic officials and the liberal blogosphere could have been so easily blinded.

I too was once delusional, believing to the very end in the viability of Mike Dukakis.  He gave many in our Greek-American population enormous pride.

I overlooked those who early on informed me: "America won't vote for a president whose last name many cannot even pronounce."  And I disregarded the implications of his "army tank video" and of the impact of his uncertain response to "What would you do if your wife were raped?"  And I was beyond euphoric when opinion polls had Dukakis up by twenty points just after the Democratic Convention.

But, truth be told, he was never going to win.  There were already deep rifts within the Democratic Party, as there were between Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy forces back in 1980.

President Carter in 1980 and Mike Dukakis in 1988--and Walter Mondale in-between in 1984, all suffered humiliating defeats.

And those Democratic party rifts were nowhere near as bitter as they are today.  And in which the presumptive nominee would arrive having lost virtually the core of Blue State and key Bell-weather America--absolutely essential for any Democrat to win the White House.

From the moment the Wright videos surfaced, I knew the course of the fall campaign.  The twenty-year Obama "spiritual advisor" damning White America versus the consummate war hero.

What a sad, sad story indeed.

There is still time to staunch the inevitable blood-bath.

It means the wiser and saner minds of Super-Delegates thinking beyond the here-and-now.

There is also another avenue for Hillary--bolting the party and running independent.

Her followers--particularly those disenfranchised Florida and Michigan voters--will follow her in droves.

She'll far exceed Ross Perot totals in 1992.

She'll have instant international name recognition, the former President at her side, and instant ease raising money.

She'll then just as likely become the first woman and independent President of the United States!

by lambros 2008-03-20 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth

Hear, hear!

by madamab 2008-03-20 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There

I'm with you.  I do hope she runs as Independent if the Party doesn't nominate her.  Obama in the GE is not going to do very well; and a lot of people aren't going to be too thrilled with McCAin either.  She could pull it off.

by moevaughn 2008-03-20 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There, I See The Truth

Very nice and a thoughtful post.  Thank you.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-21 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There

I feel a little sheepish myself having gone through the same process that environmentally blue and others posting. I have a theory that the Republicans are terrified if she wins with a Dem majority in the house and senate--who will be their new boogey-man if the public overwhelmingly comes to like her and a true progressive agenda?

by jerseygirl 2008-03-20 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm There

Thank you, yes.  I agree.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-21 01:45PM | 0 recs
She also was the first to talk about science

And how we need to fund it more, and fund pure science so new discoveries can be made.

Not to mention that she is for increasing funding for NASA, while Obama is for DECREASING funding for NASA to put that money toward education, as though not having a place to use that education is gonna help. We should do BOTH, not one or the other.

There are so many reasons to support Hillary!

by splashy 2008-03-21 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: You Had Me At Solutions!

Cheers to you.

by bobbank 2008-03-22 07:33AM | 0 recs


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