I used to be a liberal.

I was raised in a liberal democratic family.  Well relatively conservative christian by most moral standards but VERY democratic party and I was raised thinking that Liberal meant the good guys in pretty much all cases.   I was raised hating reagan, bush sr, quayle etc.  The rest of my family was for Obama even before Clinton was defeated for example.

When I was 16-17 I got a job with Voter Revolt in California.  Door to door raising money.  I was very excited as I used to want to be in politics and I was very much a democrat and hoped to use this job to move into the political sphere (which didn't pay any more it was just a stepping stone towards political work).  Anyway long story short the individuals were such assholes I stopped being a liberal.

I have never since that day viewed liberals as having a monopoly on being the good guys.  I had that job for 1 week. In 1 week my world view took a DRAMATIC change of course.

Why am I telling you this?

Many of you are damaging the values you hold dearly in the same way that those who ran the voter revolt chapter I worked for and in doing are making built in trouble for yourselves in the future.

Anyway my story with voter revolt.  I signed on and was told that promotions to the management inner political circle would be based on performance measured in dollars raised.  We were all driven to the same neighborhood and expected to pull in $80-90 a day or so.  I pulled in $220 my first day which was the highest by >$50 and asked how long I would need to maintain that level to get the promotion and was given a very fuzzy answer.  Another person there who started with me and was a sub par performer was being groomed for the job.  Now I know many of you think I am an ass but keep in mind raising $220 in a day from strangers involves being fairly friendly and devoid of assholedness.  I was not impressed with the dishonesty where a below average performer was given a raises that was supposed to be based on merit, there was a very attractive girl who started after me who out raised me but she wasn't the one who got the job.  Honesty from people selling honesty is a REQUIREMENT.  You can't be the good guys while lying.

What shocked me most however was how the leaders would brag about baiting people who didn't want to support voter revolts political cause.  I was raised that if you are asking someone for their money and they don't want to give it to you thats their right.  The christian thing is to go to the next door, do unto others etc.  But the political members of Voter revolt wanted to taunt the opposition.   They HATED the people who didn't agree with them.  SNARK is bad for any movement.

So why should you care?

Obama may very well lose this election.

Gore lost

Kerry lost

There is a very real demographic shift to the conservative based primarily on family size as a larger and larger percentage of the population is being born into conservative families.

Obama may very well lose this election.

And sooooooooo many on the left wing believe that if their LOVE,  CRAVING, PASSION, DESIRE, LUST for Obama is denied that it must be because the GOP cheated, or people are racist or some other cosmic injustice has occurred.

America is a free country.

Part of living in a free country is you often lose.  If you never lost how free would it be for the other guy?  But don't worry he often loses too.

America is a free country.

Even Obama can and will lose if the people who vote against him are numerous enough in enough states to give McCain 270 electoral votes.

If that happens try and understand that those people who vote against you, they live in a free country too.  Their opinions as to what is important are relevant just like yours are.  Their love of an inexperienced know it all is just as valid as your love of an inexperienced know it all.   Their view that she is qualified is just as relevant as yours that she isn't, just like your veiw that Obama is qualified is just as relevant as mine that he isn't.

If you respond with dishonesty and start to believe that you were robbed by the voters rather than conned by the media who wanted SOOOOOOOO much for Obama to win...

If you respond with Snark and try and invalidate the freedom and rights of the people who disagree with you...

If you do those things you will lose regardless of if McCain loses.

I raised a lot of money for Voter Revolt in that week.  I helped them meet their target for the week.  But liberals lost me in that week.

Your behavior in the upcoming likely Obama win will have a lasting effect on how long liberals have in power.

If you are snarky, dishonest, unsympathetic to those who will never vote with you, then realize that some of those who grew up planning on voting with you all along may find that they have a change of heart.

I was raised to be a liberal like my sister and vote for Obama.

1 week working for voter revolt in the late 80s changed my world view.

None of the people I worked with would be out of place on daily kos.

People just like them are present on Mydd.

There may even be one in your mirror...

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Comments

65 Comments

Re: I used to be a liberal.

I might be more open towards your message against snarkiness and arrogance, if you weren't being so damn snarky and arrogant yourself ALL THE DAMN TIME.

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-10-29 01:45AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

So you think its helps my political cause?

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 01:48AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

You don't have a political cause, you have personal issues. Serious personal issues, which would best be handled by professionals. MyDD isn't the appropriate forum for your delusional rants. Seek counseling immediately.

by QTG 2008-10-29 03:21AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

u r smrt.  Every post I've seen you make (maybe including this one, you're that SMART) may be designed to show me that snarkiness hurts! What an excellent example you've been since, forever.

by reenactor 2008-10-29 03:39AM | 0 recs
What IS

your 'political cause'?

Near as I can tell, you worked for an operation 20+ years ago that I never heard of, it wasn't a positive experience and... what?

Someone hurt your feelings?

What exactly is your 'cause'?  

Is there a groundswell movement afoot for the 'Someone was mean to me 20 years ago - oh - and on a blog, too' party?

by zonk 2008-10-29 04:11AM | 0 recs
Re: What IS

If I had to guess, I'd say he was working for the Mondale campaign... in 1988.

by vcalzone 2008-10-29 04:21AM | 0 recs
Politics is a blood sport

You're so infatuated with being a victim in life that when your political party decides to grow a backbone and fight for your beliefs, you can no longer identify with their core policies (which haven't changed).

In  fact, you're willing to go from victim Hillary to the other side just to be a loser again!

Stop blaming other people for your failings in life.

by iohs2008 2008-10-29 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by venician 2008-10-29 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

What a ridiculous thread.

So, let me get this straight.  The American people kicked conservative "values" to the curb in 2006 and are poised to do it again in 2008, but with even more severity and punch.  The only question about the butt-whipping about to occur is whether Democrats actually achieve the 60 Senate vote majority in the Senate or fall just short by a hair, and whether they will get a 100 seat majority in the House. Also, how many more governorships and state legislatures Democrats will pull over.    Obama is poised to beat the only Republican candidate with enough non-conservative appeal to even have a fighting chance AT ALL in this election by what looks like a very comfortable EV margin, taking in the process deep red states like Virginia over to the blue column.  

And here YOU are, telling us that demographics have shifted towards CONSERVATIVES, and berate us that we "are damaging the values you (we) hold dearly...and in doing are making built in trouble for yourselves in the future."

What a LOAD OF CRAP.  Your bitter diatribe is factually wrong, it is historically wrong, and in a mere 6 days your "conservative majority" will be crushed so severely and decimated into a mere "fart in the wind" that the troubling repercussions on the Republican party, and particularly its conservative wing, will cause  many years of soul searching, finger pointing, blame assessing, a lot of whining and crying.   I guess you will be one of those drinking himself into a drunken stupor upon seeing with your own shocked eyes what will unfold on Nov. 4.

by devilrays 2008-10-29 02:09AM | 0 recs
I had a nightmare last night

I've been the biggest, if not the noisiest, cheerleader cheerily cheering "Don't Worry! Don't Worry!". Well, last night I dreamed that we let them steal it again.

My new Cheer is "Go Vote Early!! Go Vote Early!!" and "Volunteer to help on Tuesday!! Volunteer to help on Tuesday!!"

We must NOT, under any circumstances, let ourselves be put in the position of having the dtaylors of the world keep their jackboots on our throats for another 4 years.

WORRY! WORRY! WORRY!

by QTG 2008-10-29 02:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.
You use the words "snarky ,arrogance ,and asshole.
I read your  diary and I use the words,Pot,kettle, black.
by Lodgemannered 2008-10-29 02:30AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.
I'm not going to be nice about this.
You are a fucking idiot, blinded by your hatred.
Obama is leading by every metric used in every election in the last 30 years.
More people have registered as Democrats or identify themselves as Democrats than in any election since 1992.
I know that in your selfishness to be able to say "I told you so", you are praying for an Obama loss, while ignoring the desperate need of this country for a new direction and a new type of leader.
When facts don't suit you, you make things up to fit with your extremely limited world view ("There is a very real demographic shift to the conservative based primarily on family size as a larger and larger percentage of the population is being born into conservative families."), while ignoring the reality of the growing number of minorities in the US, who reliably vote Democratic.
In short, you're not only a fucking idiot, you're a stupid, self centered idiot.
by skohayes 2008-10-29 02:48AM | 0 recs
Mmmm...

I love the smell of fresh dtaylor in the morning.  It's good to see him back on top of his game -- the screaming-only version isn't great, but not too bad, either:

VERY DRAMATIC.  REQUIREMENT HATED.  SNARK
LOVE.  CRAVING, PASSION, DESIRE, LUST, GOP!  SOOOOOOOO...

Shorter version: Some people at my job were mean to me when I was 16, so now I like to rant at other people on the Internet.

by failsafer 2008-10-29 02:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Mmmm...

Well that surely is a formative age.  Explains so very, very much.

Well it seems we've been good and chastened.  Just in case the DTs is right we'd better get accustomed to our new leader.

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by January 20 2008-10-29 03:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Mmmm...

That was in my nightmare....

A peek into Hell.

 Vote early, people. Vote early!

by QTG 2008-10-29 04:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Mmmm...

It sure is disturbing my friend!  I have it on very good authority (The Corner!) that he's gettin' ready to lick all the losers!

by January 20 2008-10-29 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Honestly, if you changed your entire worldview because you  missed a promotion at a job when you were 17, you may want to revisit your own priorities.  I've had lots of crappy jobs, and none of them made me question myself.  More likely, you had simply adopted the beliefs of your parents growing up (as I did to some extent) and over the years, your beliefs began to diverge because of personal experience.  No problem with that, my views did the same thing.  We just moved in opposite directions.  But don't try to convince us that the Monday after that job you woke up and said "Yep, I'm a conservative now.  F#$k all the little people, let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps."

by ProgressiveDL 2008-10-29 03:02AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

No the monday after I quit that job I woke up and said I have been lied to my entire life.

Liberals are not inherently more just, are not better keepers of the well being of others.

They are merely the cheerleaders of a special interest, they will in as many cases as conservatives play dirty in attempts to further that interest.

A LARGE portion of liberal's appeal is moral authority.  A LARGE portion of Americanism's appeal was moral authority.

Bush torturing crossed the line and we lost the nation's moral authority.

The Obama movement is in danger of losing liberals the moral authority.

For example,  I presently after believing the DNC was in the right for 8 years am totally unsure who was in the right on the Florida vote counting issue of 2000.  Thats damage that Dean did to my view of the DNC by not valuing votes in Michigan and Florida.  Who is to say the DNC was any more concerned with democracy in 2000?

Liberals without moral authority are weak and will fail.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Wow...  the rules and bylaws committee are the moral equivalent of torturers, eh?  It's even nuttier than I thought.

by failsafer 2008-10-29 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Depends on how much you value democracy I guess...

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Soo...

Lemme get this straight.

You learned 20-some years ago that liberals were full of crap.

...but they still had the moral authority...

But Bush blew the nation's moral authority...

...but Obama will blow liberal's moral authority.

Do I have that right?

by zonk 2008-10-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
Drivel n/t

by interestedbystander 2008-10-29 03:52AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

You have now ensured that I will never argue that advice cannot be both mind-numbingly obvious and very, very wrong.

by vcalzone 2008-10-29 04:03AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

This is an interesting diary.  You know, Barack Obama understands the point you're making, even if a lot of people don't.  He shows no signs of wanting to be President of just the 51% of the population that voted for him.

by Steve M 2008-10-29 04:47AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

I'm not sure if that IS the point dtaylor is making. If that is it, then I have to wholeheartedly agree with the both of you, but it seems like this diary is going beyond that to imply that Obama has no right to win the election.

by vcalzone 2008-10-29 05:08AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

I think he is speaking more to the issue of how we conduct ourselves.

by Steve M 2008-10-29 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he's complaining that we all called him an idiot on his last thread, because he was being an idiot on his last thread, and somehow that has to be taken as a sign that he's right and everyone else here is wrong--and the only way to make that dichotomy work is if he defines everyone but himself as a liberal, then attacks liberals.

by Jay R 2008-10-29 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Jay

You are placing far too much importance on your opinion in my world view.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

And you have officially jumped the shark with this idiotic post. Once again you have pulled backi the curtain and exposed yourself for the MAJOR TROLL you are. Get a therapist already!

by venician 2008-10-29 11:19AM | 0 recs
Platinum Crapola of megawatt caliber!

A pathetic self-centered victimhood rant AND galactically wrong in almost every sense of the word!

In fact, wrong barely covers it.

Cosmically wrong, trancendentally wrong!

DT, you truly have outdone yourself.

Man, thanks ever so much, I have been pretty tense and this sheer gem, a comedy masterwork, lightened my load just a little keep.

Keep up the good (insane but good) work, and can't what to see the bat shit insanity you spew out the days after the Obama campaign
and the Democrats spank the Republicans from sea to shining sea.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 04:48AM | 0 recs
You need a hug, dtaylor

It will be alright.

I had a bad experience with journalism in my first year of college and dropped out of the school of journalism to pursue an English degree.  I got screwed out of a byline by the school paper after putting forth a ton of effort on my first story and decided that wasn't enough credit.

Putting pride over paying my dues was maybe one of the dumbest things I've ever done.

Ah well.  

by Dracomicron 2008-10-29 05:32AM | 0 recs
Your argument, in a nutshell:
When I was seven, I wanted a pony real bad. When I didn't get a pony for my seventh birthday I made the firm decision to spend all my time attacking people who have ponies. That'll show 'em.
by Spiffarino 2008-10-29 05:39AM | 0 recs
Wow, what a sad tail of woe and sorrow....

Hey, maybe if you vote for Sarah Palin, she will shoot all the other ponies and punish those other evil people?

After all, she has to running out of moose and wolves by this point....

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

this Diary is a real pick me up .....

by wellinformed 2008-10-29 05:41AM | 0 recs
you got it all wrong!

"And sooooooooo many on the left wing believe that if their LOVE,  CRAVING, PASSION, DESIRE, LUST for Obama is denied that it must be because the GOP cheated, or people are racist or some other cosmic injustice has occurred."

No, it's more like the GOP ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, cheats, regardless of whether Obama wins. It's a fact.

by bushsucks 2008-10-29 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: you got it all wrong!

"No, it's more like the GOP ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, cheats, regardless of whether Obama wins. It's a fact."

Ok this is a clear example of what I am talking about.

Your statement claims the following things

1)  The GOP cheats

  1.  The GOP ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, cheats
  2.  Its a fact
  3.  The Democrats cheat much less if at all

The problem is a normal person can change their world view when 1 simple thing occurs.  

Any person witnessing a liberal cheat and a GOP person not cheating will be lost to you.

They will see

1)  The GOP cheats- hmm not in this one case at least.

  1.  The GOP ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, cheats- thats clearly false.
  2.  Its a fact- this person and those like him/her are clearly not reliable sources of information
  3.  The Democrats cheat much less if at all-if this person is not a reliable source of information maybe Democrats cheat just as much as Republicans...

And you have taken what should be a robust political philosophy and reduced it to something that 1 Liberal can undo.

For example,

Anyone with any experience with low income canvassing knows that the canvassers are willing to cheat.  I traded collections with a coworker so that he could hit quota and keep his job longer and he paid me his commission on the money so that I got more commission that I would have as the commission was best for the first $90.  All the money donated went to Voter Revolt but we cheated a little bit.  Acorn is the same thing.

There are canvassers for any voter registration organization who will cheat to hit quota.  In any election there are ballot box stuffers on both sides regardless of how against it the top candidates are.

But your stance has made what should be a robust political philosophy brittle and weak.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 09:04AM | 0 recs
you still got it all wrong!

So let me see if I've got this right - you had a bad experience 20 years ago - and all of sudden, that's proof that:
(1) the GOP did not illegally purge thousands of legal voters in Florida;
(2) the GOP did NOT mail flyers that say that tell Democrats to vote on 11/5
(3) the GOP did NOT mail flyers that said that you can't vote if you have even had a parking ticket
(4) the NH GOP chairman was wrongfully convicted of interfering with the Democratic parties GOTV phone bank

Every election, every time, the GOP does everything imaginable to prevent people from voting. So I stand by my original points.

You have not disproven anything. Get over whatever happened 20 years ago - you sound brittle and weak.

by bushsucks 2008-10-29 01:48PM | 0 recs
I'm not sure

you can lecture people on how to deal with a loss. You certainly haven't walked the walk. Everything you caution against, you've been guilty of.

Rather than teaching lessons, maybe this is the time to learn one?

by Neef 2008-10-29 06:00AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure

Neef

Its unclear whether Obama and I are on the same side politically.  Team Obama and the voice of Obama on the internet and I are NOT on the same side politically.

I honestly don't see the bulk of Obama's political machine as friends and am willing to make that permanent.

MSNBC, Dailykos, all those who would be clearly described by those who words as opposed to bystanders who happen to observe them, I am more than happy to part ways with them never to again be allies.

I am fighting the good fight.  
I am just fighting for something different from the new neo-democrats.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not sure

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by dtaylor2,
I have noticed there exist two factions.  For clarity I am in the Puma faction some would say the sore losers faction

by venician 2008-10-29 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

"Even Obama can and will lose if the people who vote against him are numerous enough in enough states to give McCain 270 electoral votes."

Wow, you're a freaking genius. Either that or one of the lamest internet trolls evah. Why do you waste your life composing and posting such meaningless garbage. Nobody here likes you.

by dtaylor3 2008-10-29 06:55AM | 0 recs
Actually not true

I sort of like DT.

It's actually been sad, I thought there was a moment after Clinton was not choosen for VP that he was FINALLY going to come to grips with his loss (no matter how he wails and moans in this diary, we all know, this is STILL about Clinton for him) but, I suspect he spent too much time at the NoQuarters of blogosphere, and that moment of potential clarity was lost.

The Sarah Palin pick clearly confused him, like so many who couldn't get it, that she is a NEGATIVE response to a qualified compotent woman candidate, instead she is the image/talking head version of the Republican idea of a female candidate....All image no depth; Clearly, if they wanted quality, they had Kay Bailey or Oly Snowe, but the choose flash, style and hard right ideology instead. And, America, even many on the right saw this move for what it was, and lambasted BOTH her and the McCain campaign.

SOMEHOW for some of the bitter Clintonistas, this became a mirror of the attacks on Senator Clinton.

Dt's gut reaction response to the criticism of Palin as he never healed from his personal identity with the criticism of Senator Clinton, was the two were equavilent, the same evil people that attacked Senator Clinton were now attacking Sarah Palin.

Many did, even people like Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, long time friend of the Clintons has gone Palin=Clinton on us (check out her post in the daily beast today.)

I really did hold out hope that DT would come home to the democrats, cause, I think for people like him, there really IS no home in the Republican party in the long run.

Eventually, they will see just how diametrically opposite is their world view, and again, just as he feels displaced by the Democrats he believed turned on his heroes the Clintons, he will feel displaced in the right wing party he now supports.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 07:13AM | 0 recs
God, Olympia Snowe

I could see McCain winning with Snowe on his side.  You don't get much more attractive to moderates than her, and she's got a compelling life story to rival Biden's.

Of course, I thought that Palin was going to be a much stronger choice than most did;  I assumed that, when she was chosen, the vetting had been properly done and that she would be an underestimated and formidable foe-- the Obama of evangelicals, so to speak. Unfortunately, to be the "Obama of evangelicals" requires that you A) know your stuff, B) walk the walk, and C)know how to run a campaign by doing your damn homework.

I couldn't be happier to be wrong about Palin.  Well, I could be happier: if Palin had refused the VP nod and not dragged her family into the tabloids for generations to come.

by Dracomicron 2008-10-29 07:43AM | 0 recs
They were caught between a rock and a hard place

Oly Snowe is not rabidly pro-life?

The play for Palin was, blow away the media to get the Obama convention off the front page.

And, get the RR on-board ASAP.

And, if you just look at it that way, it was absolutely brilliant. No way choosing Oly Snowe does either of those.

They didn't have time to consider the long term ramifications, so I really can't blame them for being blindsided.

I can't blame em, but I sure am smiling at what a boat anchor Palin turned out to be, for all but that RR who still adores her.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 07:50AM | 0 recs
The pro-life thing is stupid

They stood to gain more by having a moderate ticket without strict adherence to ideology on an issue that is no longer a major wedge.

If you cannot bend, you will break.

by Dracomicron 2008-10-29 09:09AM | 0 recs
Re: The pro-life thing is stupid

McCain Lieberman was the ticket they had the strongest chance with.

That would have made the Puma thing a real issue and possibly split the democratic party causing a real rift that would be near impossible to fix.

But fortunately the GOP lacks imagination.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

dtaylor3

Picking a handle almost identical to someone elses handle is the kind of Rovian tactics Team Obama embraces.

Bit by bit you and yours are giving up moral authority and sapping Obama's mandate should he win and borrowing from future good will should he lose.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 09:25AM | 0 recs
More stunning irony from you, DT

LOL, first of all, PEOPLE POSTING ON A BLOG ARE NOT "TEAM OBAMA".....

You and yours?  Wow, talk about Rovian Language...

And stop with the hyperbole?

Someone making fun of your handle is not SAPPING OBAMA'S MANDATE.

This is your basic problem and the fallacy of this diary?

You keep equating YOUR SENSE of personal injury with the Obama campaign.

It's called transference, and you seem to be a textbook case.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 09:56AM | 0 recs
Jigga wha?

"There is a very real demographic shift to the conservative based primarily on family size as a larger and larger percentage of the population is being born into conservative families."

Is it opposite day?  The fastest growing demographic is latinos, I believe.  While they tend to be more socially conservative (Catholicism and all that) they are not politically conservative (yet, anyway) and are absolutely breaking for Obama.

What other group do you mean?  White anglo-saxon protestants?  That group is not declining in size, but it is declining as a percentage of both the population and the electorate.

WASPs are what have kept the Republican Party in power.  This may be the first election where there simply aren't enough of them.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-10-29 07:14AM | 0 recs
by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Jigga wha?

We're dead meat!

The DTs is using hard statistical evidence here and there's no possible way we can refute it.  

The DTs has us dead-to-rights by referencing the solid, solid expertise of the legendary Michael Barone.  This particular crackerjack analysis comes from his golden period in May of 2007 so it has already been proved to be specifically factually, absolutely correct on all counts.

Seeing that it was a heady work from the scholarly mind of Michael Barone, I didn't read each and every word - they would only cut like a knife through my delicately thin skin of elitist denial.  Without looking too closely, I grabbed the last graf, and shall lay it delicately within this post.  I suppose there is wrenching commonality in the way that both the DTs & MB look back upon their formative years in order to field their life views.

Demography is destiny. When I was in kindergarten in 1950, Detroit was the nation's fifth largest metro area, with 3,170,000 people. Now it ranks 11th and is soon to be overtaken by Phoenix, which had 331,000 people in 1950. In the close 1960 election, in which electoral votes were based on the 1950 Census, Michigan cast 20 votes for John Kennedy and Arizona cast four votes for Richard Nixon; New York cast 45 votes for Kennedy and Florida cast 10 votes for Nixon. In 2012, Michigan will likely have 16 electoral votes and Arizona 12; New York will have 29 votes and Florida 29. That's the kind of political change demographics makes over the years.

by January 20 2008-10-29 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Jigga wha?

He's quoting Michael Barone?

Well, when he says

I used to be a liberal,

he ain't kidding!

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

dtaylor,

From your diary, you seem unhappy, deeply cynical and possibly drunk. Seek help.

Peace

by 1arryb 2008-10-29 07:18AM | 0 recs
dtaylor's serendipity value

Is in the comments to his diaries.
 I never ever actually read the diaries, but the comments are a gold mine of schadenfreudaliciousness plus other posting gems of information normally relegated to Open Threads.

by QTG 2008-10-29 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: dtaylor's serendipity value

I consider this my greatest contribution to MyDD:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/10/9/1434 37/260

I was hoping everyone would go there, given the momentumental absurdity of DT's dairy.

So, I went for the classic Blog-Interuptus: A food post!

I was thrilled to see everyone hold ranks, and produce a brilliant treatise on blog ettiquette.

Plus, it was some of the damn funniest stuff I have ever read here.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: dtaylor's serendipity value

Thanks for the link. I had missed that one.

It was the best thread ever.

by QTG 2008-10-29 08:26AM | 0 recs
Remember that chocolate ice cream pie recipe

you posted in a thread last week? I'm making it for Halloween for the office, I'll let you know how it goes over (I have a feeling it will be a HUGE hit, lots of chocolate lovers here!).

by skohayes 2008-10-29 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Remember that chocolate ice cream pie recipe

Thanks.

Hope you enjoy it!

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

This isn't right.  It isn't even wrong.

by Jay R 2008-10-29 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Maximum MOJO for quoting my favorite cold-ass comeback from Physicist Wolfgang Pauli.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

This is the most important diary ever written. O, be still my beating heart.

by Iago 2008-10-29 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

I think the underlying point you are trying to make is correct, and important -- to be generous, graceful, and humble in victory.

I expect that Obama will take that stance and I suggest we follow his lead on the matter.

by markjay 2008-10-29 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: I used to be a liberal.

Most of the damage would occur in defeat.

Its a 3 pts race and Obama is relying on a demographics new to voting who history have shown typically vote less frequently and are more volatile than average.

I would say his odds are 60-75% but the real damage occurs if McCain actually wins and Progressives go into deny reality mode.

That is where you get decade long type damage.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-29 09:16AM | 0 recs
Deny reality mode.....

Wow, we are talking serious irony here, folks.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-29 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Deny reality mode.....

stay tuned, next dtaylor will not only jump the shark, but he'll first perform 2 back flips and jump through a flaming hoop all while riding a tricycle.

by venician 2008-10-29 11:27AM | 0 recs

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