I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

This morning, on AM 980, Barack made his case in the most arrogant and conceited way possible:

"I think that I would be the strongest nominee, because if I am, Hillary's people will vote for me, but I don't think it would be the same way the other way around."

I am paraphrasing what he said, as I don't have access to the transcript, but I found his statement to be absolutely off base, and offensive.

As a Hillary Clinton supporter, I probably would not vote for Barack Obama if he were the nominee.  For me, it's about his lack of experience.  How can we entrust someone with practically no national or foreign policy experience with the biggest and toughest job in the world?  It makes absolutely no sense.  

We have so many problems at home and around the world...  Our economy is failing, we are at war, we have health care and social security crises, and our national image looks bad around the world.  

This is NOT the time to nominate someone untried, and untested.  John McCain will eat Barack alive in a debate, and not for the reasons why you might think.  

With all of the problems that we have at home and all of the foreign policy decisions that have to be made by the next president, in November, Americans are going to realize that it would be unprecedented and inconceivable to elect someone as President of the United States with little experience AT A TIME LIKE THIS.  

I know that Barack makes the case for Lincoln and Kennedy, but those were different eras, and different times.  

I, for one, don't want someone with a little over three years of senate time running our country at a time like this, whether or not he is the only democratic choice.  

This is why I'm supporting Hillary Clinton, and hope that for the good of the country she wins on Super Tuesday.  

I respect Barack for talking about hope and togetherness all the time, but anyone could go to Barnes and Noble and buy a self help book and put it up on a teleprompter.  When it comes down to November, the Republicans are going to be asking whether or not he supports abortion, gay rights, gun rights, etc...  And when the issues turn to this, they won't be wanting to be all close to Barack and vote for him anymore...

Hillary is the only one I believe who can beat McCain, and who has the experience and record to run the country the way it must be at this time.  

Tags: barack, clinton, Hillary, obama (all tags)



two words: Supreme Court

Unless you love the idea of two or three more Alitos on the court, you should vote for our nominee, no matter who it is.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-01 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: two words: Supreme Court

i second that brother. if not hillary, mccain 2008 for me.

by terrondt 2008-02-01 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: two words: Supreme Court

First, I don't think that John McCain is a conservative in the style of Bush, meaning I don't think that he would nominate people like Alito to the supreme court.  That is an issue in and of itself, but I definitely don't want more Alitos.

That being said, I am not one of those people, (and I don't think anyone should be)who vote for someone just because they are a democrat.  I hate people who will just vote republican just because it's republican.

I really think that in the case that Hillary is not the nominee, everyone will have to take a step back and ask themselves who is really qualified enough to be elected president.  

I don't think that people are doing this right now in the primary process.  If they were, Barack would not be so close to Hillary in the polls.  

by DrGary 2008-02-01 05:48PM | 0 recs
McCain has voted to confirm

every judge appointed by Bush.

He also is almost 100 percent anti-choice and pro-business.

Think about that.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-01 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: McCain has voted to confirm

i've got a good question for you desmoinesdem. With you, like me, stuck in the political wilderness without a candidate currently, who do you lean right now to support? It's a very tough decision for me personally, but I think I like Hillary just a little bit more for being a proud Dem. What're your opinions?

by KainIIIC 2008-02-01 07:02PM | 0 recs
I am relieved I don't have to make that choice

If my state hadn't voted yet, I don't know what I would do. Maybe I would write in Edwards.

Over the past year I have grown more optimistic about the way Clinton would govern and less optimistic about the way Obama would govern, but I have deep concerns about both candidates.

Sorry to punt on your question!

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-02 07:32AM | 0 recs
You are voting

for a continuation of the War in Iraq, and the very real possibility of War with Iran.

I am not a Clinton fan - but will not hesitate to vote for her if she wins the nomination (as seems likely)

by fladem 2008-02-01 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: You are voting

I think about this:

Between McCain and Obama,

Only one is qualified to be a President of the United States.

I can't imagine having a president who needs on the job training AT A TIME LIKE THIS!

by DrGary 2008-02-01 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: You are voting

To repeat, the guy you think is "qualified" is a neoconservative, generally terrifying on all issues related to war and peace, virulently anti-choice, doesn't respect civil liberties, and has been a huge GWB supporter.

What, precisely, makes him "qualifed" again?  Cause he's wrong on every damn issue.  Voting for the Democrat isn't about labels, it's about values.  If the stuff listed above doesn't matter to you, what the hell does?  

As an aside, Obama's point wasn't that Obama democrats would vote for the Republican.  It was that he is drawing new people into the process that simply won't come out to vote if he's not the nominee.  That may or may not be true factually -- we just don't know -- but the statement wasn't about democrats voting for a republican.  

by HSTruman 2008-02-01 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: You are voting

Look if Clinton loses the nomination a lot of her supporters would sulk for a few weeks ( same with Obama ) and would get over it and rally behind our nominee.

So I consider all of this  " I won't vote for X " diaries , a symptom of the heat of the primary season.

I would vote for Obama rather enthusiastically , just the way I will do for Clinton.

Obama would make a great president and a transformational one at that , so maybe we should all calm down and think about it.

I admire John Mccain for his service to the nation , I also do have a few things in common ideologically , I like his position on National Security ( vis a vis Iraq ) and Fiscal responsibility but I have to also think about the courts , economy ( tax cuts ), healthcare , civil liberties and many other issues that he is out of sync , so as much as I hear about Mccain day in day out among folks around me , no way would I vote for him over Obama.

So lets all focus on the bigger picture.

by lori 2008-02-01 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: You are voting

Good points and I certainly feel the same way about Senator Clinton.

Our of curiosity, and it reallly is curiosity, how exactly do you like McCain's views on Iraq?  He wants to keep us there for 100 years and seems to think the surge is somehow an answer to their completely stalled political process.  Just wondering.

by HSTruman 2008-02-02 05:18AM | 0 recs

this response is difficult in the end to take seriously.

The policy in Iraq has been a complete disaster on a number of different levels.

The candidate who would commit the US to an open ended commitment in Iraq is fundementally delusional, and is not fit to hold the presidency.


by fladem 2008-02-01 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: two words: Supreme Court

That's funny, I feel the same about Hilly-Billy.

Guess we cancel each other out on the threats.

by ElitistJohn 2008-02-01 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

I'm becoming more and more annoyed by the way the Democratic party has turned in to nothing more than two competing cults of personality.  By all means, support your candidate, but can we stop with all the "I will NOT vote for so and so" posturing?

Take a deep breath and remember that BOTH of these candidate will make the country a better place if elected.

by Justin Nisly 2008-02-01 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

I'll vote for the nominee, but man I miss John Edwards!!

by RDemocrat 2008-02-01 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Q: Which is worse, ignorance or apathy?

A: Don't know and don't care.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Q: What is the difference between an optimist and a pessimist?

A. A pessimist thinks things couldn't possibly get any worse, but the optimist thinks they could!

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-01 05:22PM | 0 recs
I do agree that Obama statement

you quoted is quite arrogant.

I also think it is untrue. A friend was just telling me that he is worried because his mother-in-law, a lifelong Democrat over age 90, is saying she wouldn't vote for Obama because of the madrassa/Muslim crap. Yes, she got that e-mail. He and his wife tried to explain that it was a bunch of crap, but she believes it.

So there are certainly voters who would support Hillary but not Obama.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-01 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I do agree that Obama statement

I have a lot of family in the midwest and south who feel as though if Barack is just too "soft" to win the white house right now against a McCain.  

I mean, I know Barack talks about a different politics and all, but both parties have to be doing this for it to work.

Trust me, the republican machine will be in full force against whoever the dem nominee is.  We just know that Hillary can handle it, Barack, we don't know...  

Do we really want to send someone so untested into the GE this year?  

by DrGary 2008-02-01 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I do agree that Obama statement

Listen for yourself to what he said


by LovingIT 2008-02-01 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Somebody Needs to ask Sen. Obama if he will urge his supporters to vote for Hillary.

by 1986dude 2008-02-01 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

I feel like the best ticket we could have right now would be Clinton/Obama.  This would be logical and would unite the party.  

I think Obama is a bit too arrogant for this though, at this point.  

by DrGary 2008-02-01 05:50PM | 0 recs
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SPeaking as an Obama supporter I would be very disappointed if Obama agreed to that position in the event of her victory.  It would seriously damage his career by association.  Anyway, wouldn't the White House be overcrowded?  Where would they put his office?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

It would be a win win situation.  He would get the experience and credibility that he needs to be president in 8 years,

Hillary, the one really qualified to be president would get the top of the ticket,

And the democratic party would be united.  

Clinton/Obama would be an unbeatable ticket, and Obama would get the nod in 2016, when it was his time.  

by DrGary 2008-02-01 06:45PM | 0 recs
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I would want to check with Al Gore on that one first.  Didn't work out so great for him now did it?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Gore did get the democratic nod in 2000, he just had the election stolen from him...  

I wish that HE would have been tougher and fought harder.  

by DrGary 2008-02-01 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Yeah, right...  It was all Gore's fault.  See what I mean?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Ignorant racism?  If Obama declines to be Clinton's VP?  You're going to have to spell that for me.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Oh, I so agree!  I thought I was the only one who noticed.  He has waaay too much ego to ever be a VP, let alone a woman's VP.  He made that clear last night.  And I agree that he has run a very anti-clinton campaign, in a way that is stronger and more passionate than I've ever seen before.  

On the weekend of MLK's birthday, Clinton was at a church in Harlem and Obama supporters came to wave Obama rally signs, and to chant 'obama' to spite her as she walked out. It was like they were protesting her presence! I couldn't believe I was seeing such behavior from adults.  She handled it gracefully by approaching the Obama supporters and offering them coffee (it was a cold day).  Yeah, Hillary, for showing grace under pressure.  

by findthesource 2008-02-01 06:40PM | 0 recs
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the "uniter" is again the divider. I think we have spent the last 7 years on the message and game.  The guy you would rather have a beer with. Or "hope". What's that saying about fool me once?

by orion1 2008-02-01 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

I agree with this post. I find Obama's resume and experience on the national level so thin. He shouldn't be running for president now. He should wait until he has some real experience under his belt.

I also agree with the comment about him sounding arrogant.

by Enviro 2008-02-01 05:28PM | 0 recs
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It is not the time in the world for the greenest puppet around to be president.  

by ebb lenkin 2008-02-01 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

This is the link to the audio of what he said.
He does come off as arrogant. If he loses the nomination, he should throw all is support to Hillary Clinto, because she has made it clear that she would do the same for him if she loses.


by LovingIT 2008-02-01 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Here a transcript of the quote:

"I'm confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee. It's not clear that she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."
Barack Obama, February 1, 2008

by LovingIT 2008-02-01 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Has it occured to you that he is referring to his support among Independents and 'Obama' Republicans?  He may have a point.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Although I will vote for him if he is the nomination, I will do so with reservation, as Obama is very weak on a woman's right to choose.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-01 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

It has been debunked. Come up with some freah talking points.

by Pravin 2008-02-01 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

The votes in the record of the Illinois state Senate are still present.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-01 09:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/14 /obama-emphasizes-prochoi_n_81460.html

You guys act like prochoice issue is like the only issue DEmocrats should care about. I don't see it as any more crucial than life and death issues such as women getting killed and raped in Iraq. You guys ignore so many compromises in other issues, but even the slightest question mark on prochoice, you blow it up into something it isn't.

Obama is not going to weaken a woman's right to get an abortion.

by Pravin 2008-02-02 04:33AM | 0 recs
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And it has been documented that they were made in conjunction with pro-choice organization's strategies.  

by HSTruman 2008-02-02 05:22AM | 0 recs
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No, you are wrong.  a fellow state senator noted how no strategy existed in an article published today in the chicago tribune.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-02 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Don't like him if it makes you happy, but this is a ridiculous and factualy inaccurate statement.  

by HSTruman 2008-02-02 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

no, it is not, for he cast five present votes on antichoice legislation.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-02 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

I know a good number of Dems who have said they will not vote for Obama if he is the nominee, and I've come across Dems who have said they will not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.  I definitely understand people's frustrations (especially those frustrated with Obama; his comments are inexcusable).

But I think that at the moment there is just so much division and tension within the Democratic party.  After the primaries are over and we have our nominee, I really believe everyone will calm down a bit.  The vast majority of Clinton, Edwards, and Obama supporters will all come together to support our nominee, and we will have a united party that will destroy the Republicans in Novemeber.  The election is still many months away, more than enough time to mend our party.

by musicpvm 2008-02-01 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Unless of course we choose a candidate who 'unites' the Republican party and has negative down-ticket influence.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

If obama gets the nomination and starts debating with the republicans about social issues, and it becomes more concrete, and more realistic, and less about hope,  red state dems will realize that he is more liberal than even Hillary Clinton...

Then they will unite against him as they would have against her, only he won't have the experience or strength to fight back like she would.  

by DrGary 2008-02-01 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Why is it Hillary supporters are so damn sure about so many things and so many of them have been disproven regarding Obama since last January.  He couldn't raise the money?  That was a good one.  He couldn't translate Facebook into support?  Haven't heard that one for awhile.  Sigh.  The list goes on and yet they lose no faith in their dire predictions.  Makes ya' wonder, doesn't it?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

I think it's because Barack Obama is still as of yet an unproven, unknown, untested candidate.  

Hillary is different.  We know that she can handle it and make it through, that she can raise the money, and gather the support.  

We know she can win over independents, and republicans, and congressional districts that Bush won.  

With Barack, we don't know.  Is that what we want?

by DrGary 2008-02-01 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Doesn't it puzzle you the unproven, unknown, untested candidate is giving her such a tough challenge?  And where do you get this We know she can win over independents and Republicans stuff?  Half the Western and Southern incumbents are terrified of her down-ticket negatives.  You're just  making stuff up.

If you guys ran a more competent and less self-deceptive campaign you wouldn't be grasping at straws now, but it's too late.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 03:27AM | 0 recs
Shaun, obama will also lose

some Democrats Hillary would win, particularly senior citizens and working-class whites.

He doesn't do well in polls on the question of which candidate "cares about people like me." Many people see him as larger than life in a good way, but other people see him as aloof.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-01 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Shaun, obama will also lose

Aloof.  As opposed to divisive and polarising?  I'll run with aloof any day.  Makes James Webb seem like a really good VP choice too.  

Aloof.  The guy that can draw crowds visible from space is aloof.  It's a wonder you didn't mention smug.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Shaun, obama will also lose

Aloof was one of the things that killed Kerry. Ignore it at your peril.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-02 03:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Shaun, obama will also lose

You know, you guys have tried every little smear and character assassination in the book.  Now this.  It is a load of rubbish and another example of the bad taste, cynical manipulation, insinuation and smear that has been going on here for many months.

Why don't we just wait and see who wins the nomination, eh, without trying to put our naughty little thumbs on the scales at every opportunity.  Sheesh.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 03:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we be Blunt on Obama

I couldn't have made the point better.  I know it isn't possible, but I hope that every democrat and independent reads this diary before casting their votes on Tuesday.  

I believe that if it is McCain vs. Obama, McCain wins in a landslide.  

by DrGary 2008-02-01 10:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we be Blunt on Obama

Getting a wee bit nervous are we?  Too bad.  Maybe if your candidate ran a better campaign you wouldn't have to worry about it.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 03:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we be Blunt on Obama

so how come your 'qualified and tested' candidate is fighting for her life at the moment against Mr. Naive and Irresponsible?  Hmm...  Doesn't seem to make any sense, does it?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 03:23AM | 0 recs
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STFU.  I know at least 8 people who have told me they would not vote for Obama because they are disgusted by they way he has used race and painted the Clintons as racists to get votes.  I don't need to lie about anything.

by musicpvm 2008-02-02 11:09AM | 0 recs
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the only thing bothers me is obama's hypocrisy, hard to swallow.
by BlueSea 2008-02-01 06:40PM | 0 recs
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Whereas Hillary's hypocrisy is the one we are all familiar with and comfortable about.  

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

As I've said before, I hate him.  If he gets the nom, he'll lose and maybe Hillary can get the nom in 2012.

by reasonwarrior 2008-02-01 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

So you're voting for McCain too?  In that scenario?  Weren't you one of the chorus of abusers of Obama supporters on the same point?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Obama used every discredited attack line(available on online,from Republican authors)
on Hillary and Bill both personal and policy with

Shameless self serving politician trying to fool Democrats with empty rhetoric.

Check the new Rove article about how they want to stratagise against Hillary if she were the Dem. nominee. Cold, Calculated (forget about validity of the argument). Guess whose stump speech has this new attack line on Hillary.

by BlueSea 2008-02-01 06:49PM | 0 recs
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I love how Barack calls her calculating when he has THREE pollsters, and she has ONE.

And, I love how Barack calls her cold when SHE went over to shake his hand and HE turned away.

It's ridiculous.

by DrGary 2008-02-01 06:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

I like that sentiment.  I, too, feel there is hope for us to mend the divisions within the democratic party.  Come November I hope we all vote for the dem candidate no matter who it is. We will need unity then.

However, although I will vote for Obama if he is nominee in GE, I do not favor him now.  His campaign style is as mean as GWB's back in 00/04.  If an Obama supporter wears a pin that says 'no 3rd term,' then that is clearly 'anti-clinton' which to me is too confrontational and angry.  i feel like the Obama mania is too cult-like.

by findthesource 2008-02-01 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

"He does come off as arrogant."

The LAST thing we need is another arrogant president.

I will ONLY support Obama if he is Hillary's choice for VP....

by vermillion 2008-02-01 06:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Hopefully it will never come up.  If he agrees to run as her VP I will regret every bit of support and money I have invested in his campaign.  Look what happened to Gore, the Clintons in defeat are dangerous but in victory they are absolutely poison.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Shucks, you've exposed me for a sham.  I suppose the AUMF vote was a vote for diplomacy and the Levin amendment ceded Congressional authority to the UN, eh?  That kind of 'history?'  You can keep it.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-01 09:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Remember GWB never made a concerted effort to go against Clinton yrs. He is smart(yes smart) enough to know that(I know the honor and dignity jab).

This arrogant brat(Obama)has the audacity to throw mud on the two term president elect Democratic Icon with reckess abandon while some of the Democratic elders joining hands with him and some sitting on the side lines doing nothing.

Pathetic week kneed jerks in this Dem. party

by BlueSea 2008-02-01 07:02PM | 0 recs
face the facts

The fact of the matter is that a lot of his supporters are independents and cross over voters that any objective analyst would tell you are much less likely to vote Hillary. Although her supporters seemingly ignore it, there is a HUGE number of voters that are active on a clear "anybody but Hillary" track.
by highgrade 2008-02-01 08:10PM | 0 recs
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I have heard that statement from Barack myself, and I hope all the Obama supporters realize how insulting that is to the rest of us. If he really cared about our party more that his ego, instead of making crap remarks like that. He should be telling them to vote for the nominee instead of feeding his own ego. If he keeps up with that line he will still get his young voters, but the grassroots long-time base will be turned off.

by RDemocrat 2008-02-01 08:18PM | 0 recs
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by DrGary 2008-02-01 08:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

So you'd vote for McCain?

by Drummond 2008-02-01 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I will NOT vote for Barack Obama

Yikes!  You don't think JFK and Lincoln were facing major crises?  The Civil War was about to break out, for goodness' sake!  And with JFK, we were in the middle of a Cold War that people still feared would turn hot.   McCain will try to shrink government, which means screwing the poor, and the working class.  He is anti-union to the core, and he is a warmongering saber-rattling SOB.  Just because of the appointments the president gets to make, I would never vote for a Rethug, and I don't want McCain's bellicose fingers anywhere near the button.

by budlawman 2008-02-01 09:09PM | 0 recs


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