Pre Debate Jitters ...

(Proudly Cross-Posted to Clintonistas For Obama and ComputerQueen.Net)

I found this both interesting, and comforting going into tomorrow's VP Debate:

From CBS13

Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin have put in some very long days preparing for their Thursday night debate. To give voters a better sense of who these candidate are, and where they stand on a number of issues, CBS News anchor Katie Couric asked Biden and Palin some "Vice Presidential Questions." This installment tackles Roe v. Wade and Supreme Court decisions.

We'll start with Sen. Biden:

Katie Couric: Why do you think Roe v. Wade was a good decision?

Joe Biden: Because it's as close to a consensus that can exist in a society as heterogeneous as ours. What does it say? It says in the first three months that decision should be left to the woman. And the second three months, where Roe v. Wade says, well then the state, the government has a role, along with the women's health, they have a right to have some impact on that. And the third three months they say the weight of the government's input is on the fetus being carried.

And so that's sort of reflected as close as anybody is ever going to get in this heterogeneous, this multicultural society of religious people as to some sort of, not consensus, but as close it gets.

I think the liberty clause of the 14th Amendment ... offers a right to privacy. Now that's one of the big debates that I have with my conservative scholar friends, that they say, you know, unless a right is enumerated - unless it's actually, unless [it] uses the word "privacy" in the Constitution - then no such "constitutional right" exists. Well, I think people have an inherent right.

Couric: Are there Supreme Court decisions you disagree with?

Biden: You know, I'm the guy who wrote the Violence Against Women Act. And I said that every woman in America, if they are beaten and abused by a man, should be able to take that person to court - meaning you should be able to go to federal court and sue in federal court the man who abused you if you can prove that abuse. But they said, "No, that a woman, there's no federal jurisdiction." And I held, they acknowledged, I held about 1,000 hours of hearings proving that there's an effect in interstate commerce.
Women who are abused and beaten and beaten are women who are not able to be in the work force. And the Supreme Court said, "Well, there is an impact on commerce, but this is federalizing a private crime and we're not going to allow it." I think the Supreme Court was wrong about that decision.

Notice how organized his responses are, and how engaged he appears to be.  This is what one would expect ... short of having 10 words ...

Then Katie Couric turned to Gov. Palin:

Couric: Why, in your view, is Roe v. Wade a bad decision?

Sarah Palin: I think it should be a states' issue not a federal government-mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue. I'm, in that sense, a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas. Now, foundationally, also, though, it's no secret that I'm pro-life that I believe in a culture of life is very important for this country. Personally that's what I would like to see, um, further embraced by America.

Couric: Do you think there's an inherent right to privacy in the Constitution?

Palin: I do. Yeah, I do.

Couric: The cornerstone of Roe v. Wade.

Palin: I do. And I believe that individual states can best handle what the people within the different constituencies in the 50 states would like to see their will ushered in an issue like that.

Couric: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?

Palin: Well, let's see. There's, of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ...

Couric: Can you think of any?

Palin: Well, I could think of ... any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.

OMG!  She fumbled the football ... this is one of the crown jewels in her personal political platform, and she fumbles!!!

Make your own judgements, but I'm expecting her to get creamed tomorrow night.

Just my 2 cents!

Tags: C4O, joe biden, Sarah Palin, vice presidential debate (all tags)



Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

She will be OK
and the press will call it a win
It will help her base and give McLame an uptick

will it be enough?  God I hope not.
Nov 4th can't come soon enough

by gil44 2008-10-01 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

In the case Berg vs. Obama, the presiding judge today ruled that SoetorObama must turn over to the court a "vault copy" of his original long form birth certificate, with other proof of citizenship.

VIA JusticaDocs

   On defendant's Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's Motion to Dismiss Plaintifs Complaint.........Denied...........
    Order of this Court that the following discovery is to be turned over to Plaintiff within 3 days

   1. Obama's "vault"version (certified copy of his original long version Birth Certificate and

   2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship
    2. A Certified Copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance

   Filed September 29, 2008 83/281573/13/

by gunner 2008-10-01 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Ah, it seems the rats are leaving Flowbee's Fail Flotilla.

by failsafe 2008-10-01 07:39PM | 0 recs

Get a life.

by elrod 2008-10-01 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

"Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime"

Wow... that's too fucking funny coming from a whackjob conspiracy theorist.  Tell TexasDarlin that I say hello.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-10-01 11:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Texas darlin is a hole  

by wellinformed 2008-10-02 05:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

We really shouldn't have such low expectations.  She could hold her own and be fine and people will praise her for just not sucking.

I'm not getting my hopes up.  

by Ellinorianne 2008-10-01 06:45PM | 0 recs
I don't...

And I'm glad Obama doesn't. I don't want to set the bar so low that Palin just has to step over it. I'd rather see her bump into it tomorrow night. ;-)

by atdleft 2008-10-01 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Couple of issues

1)  Americans don't vote for a historian president.  The ability to remember things isn't really a valuable asset.  Knowing what the SCOTUS has ruled on by case name or to the detail that you don't look foolish citing it is only important if you are a lawyer.  Sure Biden wins this hands down he is a lawyer.

2)  Debate is about getting the other guy to change his mind not about convincing yourself that you are right.  Palin is actually very powerful at getting people to back her.  They are not backing her because she is a walking encyclopedia of past political minutia.

3)  Biden despite being a VERY smart guy is pretty bad at debating or talking for that matter.  Her side will be looking to plant 5 second Zingers and he won't.  

4)  Palin has the potential to totally totally totally decimate the Obama movement.  So much has been made of her being nothing that she needs merely to show that her and Obama are in the same classification.  If she can show that Obama is at best marginally better qualified than her and she is far less qualified than Biden who won the debate?

But on the bright side its not likely to end Obama's run.  Unless he has a skeleton in his closet he should be ok.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

There's no chance she could show that Obama is marginally more qualified. Even if you want to start from the assumption that he was as stupid as her when he started campaigning (he wasn't), he still had two years to learn and learn from mistakes. People think this shit is easy because he makes it look easy. It ain't. Even Bush had more of a grasp of issues than she did. Lest we forget, he WAS a Yale graduate.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

You are assuming I mean campaigning when I say marginally more qualified.

I mean governing.

Palin is at least as qualified as Obama at governing.

Obama ran the law review and then a campaign.

Palin ran a small town and then a state.

Neither of them are fit to run the country based on past accomplishments.

If she can communicate that it will destroy Obama.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

In fairness, you never thought that Obama would be as far ahead as he is, that she would be acting as stupidly as she is, or that the Republicans would be running as bad a campaign as they are. When do you actually question this narrative that the Dems will fail miserably and Palin will win the country over?

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

At this point I think Obama will win absent some Swiftboat style revelations.

Palin and Obama are getting the most biased news coverage in my lifetime.  They are both almost equally unqualified in resume, ethics, associates, etc.  But the press is so amazingly in the tank for Obama that he gets a pass and she doesn't.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Look, they have the same coverage. Are you gonna tell me that Obama has ever had an interview as bad as the ones with Gibson/Couric? Nah, he's had to prove himself a million times over, and he has. Had he made ONE notable mistake during that debate, he'd have been crucified. Palin will make multiple mistakes, and unless one is just completely outrageous, she'll be given a free pass.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Palin's negative press coverage is self-inflicted. She attacked the press and then hid from them. When she finally showed up for an extended interview session she made a fool of herself.

by elrod 2008-10-01 08:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

The press has had time to go over Obama with a fine toothed comb already... Wright was an absurd example of the press not being "in the tank", now, as the new kid on the block it is Palin's turn. That was McCain's biggest flaw, he picked a newcomer too close to the election, and she has plenty of dirt to turn over and examine. Lord... her interviews are atrocious, and you say the media is in the tank?

When you devote a significant amount of time trashing the media you are not going to make friends.

Guess you weren't around during '04, the swift-boat campaign dwarfs the current bias by a magnitude or so.

by notedgeways 2008-10-01 09:29PM | 0 recs

Can you explain to me how "executive" experience is the only kind that counts toward being President?  So Obama knows a lot more about the law, but since that's in his capacity as a legal scholar and legislator, it doesn't matter?

How stupid do you think we are?

by failsafe 2008-10-01 07:43PM | 0 recs
So you're saying

that the only one of the four left who has relevant governing experience is Palin, since she was the only one who'd been an executive?  And can we assume that you think Palin is also more qualified than a certain Senator who was runner-up in the Democratic primary?

by JJE 2008-10-01 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: So you're saying

Bill and Hillary Clinton ran the country for 8 years...and Arkansas for like 10 before that.

Biden and McCain are both more qualified than Obama or Palin.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 08:00PM | 0 recs
Not this again

Never mind

by JJE 2008-10-01 09:01PM | 0 recs
Re: So you're saying

Hillary Clinton did not run the country for 8 years, if she did she would be constitutionally disqualified. She was the spouse of a president, and had input, that is not the same as having control and having to make decisions.

It is analogous to saying my therapist is  qualified to do my job because I talk to them about it and they help me make decisions.

But, enough of this primary wars, some people get stuck in the past and are forever unable to move forward.

by notedgeways 2008-10-01 09:33PM | 0 recs
If we're being honest

You're not qualified to determine what makes a good President. Nor am I. What do we really know about it?

However, Obama has been endorsed by some serious people who would know.

by Neef 2008-10-02 02:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

well if Hillary could not do it during the primaries  what makes you think it would be easy for Palin ??   MY GOD  are you saying Palin can pull something off that Hillary could not do ?

how likely is that ?  think about it  
If Hillary failed to do it will be IMPOSSIBLE for a idiot like Palin to do it

and I think its insulting that you are implying Palin is better then Hillary  I am offended  

by wellinformed 2008-10-02 05:34AM | 0 recs
Couple points

(1) Your first point is invalid because you start with the premise that requiring a VP to know more than one Supreme Court president is to require a "historian President" when in fact it is only to require a VP to know some very basic facts about the United States government.

(2) Biden actually out-performed everyone in several of the Democratic primary debates.

(3) Your point 4 is about three weeks too late.  The Palin hype is over.

by JJE 2008-10-01 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

1)  There is no requirement for knowing anything about previous SCOTUS rulings.  People don't care.  Its one of those questions that allows the establishment to protect themselves rather than actually deal with real issues.

2)  Biden got his ASS kicked in the primary.  I refer to debates being about CHANGING people's minds.  It doesn't matter how cool the guy who votes against you thinks you are or how uncool the guy who votes against you thinks his candidate is.  Hence I have presented evidence that Biden LOST those debates you think he did so well in...

3)  Palin has a tremendous PR campaign targeted at her.  The public senses this.  If she can show that the reason its aimed at her is because this is the type of scrutiny women get when they have the type of experience Obama has she will cripple him.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

(1) There is a requirement to know SCOTUS rulings.  It's called knowing basic facts about civics.  People do care if their leaders know the basic political facts that every reasonably well-informed person knows.  You are aware that a lot of people think cases like Kelo v. New London or Grutter v. Bollinger or Lawrence v. Texas were wrong.  You remember how the Heller decision made so much news?  Palin couldn't even say "the Michigan affirmative action case" or "that Connecticut case where people's land was seized".  If you think that Supreme Court rulings aren't "real issues" then you may not know enough about politics to discuss them intelligently.

(2) Debates aren't about changing minds.  Nobody has ever won an election because of a good debate performance.  Debates are about trying to win the news cycle by getting some good lines and not doing damage to yourself.  Biden's primary loss didn't have anything to do with how he debated.  I've presented evidence you don't understand the role debates play modern-day politics.

(3) What PR campaign?  The public doesn't "sense" it; you just say it.  Your theory of Palin as a stalking horse to expose some kind of sexist double standard on the experience issue sounds like an idea that stems more from your own idiosyncratic views from the primary rather than objective analysis.

by JJE 2008-10-01 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

1)  "People do care if their leaders know the basic political facts that every reasonably well-informed person knows."  this doesn't include SCOTUS rulings in the detail necessary for an interview.

2)  Debates don't change minds?  Ya you understand debating....sure you do...

3)  Its so much easier to argue when the facts actually agree with you... 09/28/is-palin-qualified-obamas-not-sayi ng/ ml 008/09/24/1439689.aspx 8/09/26/cafferty-is-palin-qualified-to-b e-president/ ?id=5831097 9/abc-news-flops-on-palin-interview.html h-palin/

But most importantly with regards to item 3 ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/belief_growing_that_re porters_are_trying_to_help_obama_win

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

dtaylor, she didn't have to speak in detail. She could have just offered a description of the case and she would have gotten by. People know what they see. They thought she was a moron anyway, this confirmed it.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

"They thought she was a moron anyway"

She really couldn't win.

Its actually better for her to lose when not many are watching and then smoke Biden in the debate.

If she shows skills in the debate the damage done to her from before actually hurts OBAMA.

Its like a granade, it only hurts the one holding it when it goes off.

Sure she is holding it now.  But she holds it and has a great deal of ability to throw it back...

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

EVERYONE saw the stuff about Palin. People don't just ignore the nightly news and tune in for the debates. If they didn't see it when it originally aired, they saw it online or heard about it from other people. If someone doesn't care enough to follow the news, they don't care that there's a debate on.

You're totally offbase on this one. People don't relate Palin to Obama and they never have. That's just another bit of conventional wisdom that isn't actually true.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

# 57% of Americans watch TV news
# 54% watch their local news
# 34% watch cable news channels
# 28% watch the nightly network news
# 23% watch the morning news programs

57% of Americans watch TV news. 34% watch cable news. That's of all Americans, not voters.

100 million > 50 million.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

Did people know about Wright immediately? Hmm? Well, then they knew about Palin's flubs.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Couple points

your links included a freeped internet poll that allows users to vote as often as they want

a dead link or two

the "most important" link is 2 months old...

I kind of gave up after that... If I had a paper in front of me with cites like that I would give it back for a do-over.

by notedgeways 2008-10-01 09:39PM | 0 recs

(1) I don't need a historian valet, but I like it when he remembers where my car is parked; (2) it's about the audience, not the other guy, and a sexy librarian who says "aw shucks" doesn't work for everyone; (3) he seemed to do alright in the primary debates; (4) being a fundie does not give her the power to freeze hell over.

by failsafe 2008-10-01 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

This coming from dtaylor who said it would be a huge MISTAKE if we went after Palin, when the reality is if we hadn't then the TM would not have picked up on her many scandals and then team McCain would have been able to frame her as little Maverick. Great call dt shows how much your opinion should be listened to around here.

by venician 2008-10-01 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Her answer to the first question is just fine, and her base will eat it up -- it has all the right buzz-words. [Well, she misunderstands what a federalist is, since she is the opposite, but the average voter isn't likely to notice, nor is she likely to make that mistake again.]

If the debate has thoughtful follow-ups that dig for more detail than she's been able to absorb, then she'll come off badly. But there's no reason to expect that her first level answers won't carry her through on substance (as the first-level answer here did), and she's certainly going to win on personality. We could all be in for a rude surprise.

by fsm 2008-10-01 07:00PM | 0 recs
Who knows

I am predicting at least 70 million people tune in for tomorrow night.  She'll either give McCain's campaign new life or be the final nail in its coffin if the nailing hasn't already been hammered already.

by Blazers Edge 2008-10-01 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Who knows

I kinda think that she won't do much good for herself unless she shows a full grasp of every single issue tomorrow. Non-answers would work for some, but she's already shown herself to be kinda ignorant in fundamental ways. Everyone knows politicians can cram, and if she's repeating talking points, people will notice. People might not know the answers to all those questions, but they can detect bullshit and doublespeak.

I know the conventional wisdom is that she just has to look competent, but I wonder if that's actually the case. All of this supposes that Biden is going to take the advice and pretend she isn't there, of course.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:12PM | 0 recs
I agree

She cannot just show up and just appear "competent."  She has to do well enough to "win" by the same margin that Obama won by against McCain to change the race.  I suppose whether that can happen depends on the questions and the interaction, if any, between Biden and Palin.

Will the "Barracuda" from those Alaska debates show up or will it be the "dear in the headlights" Palin from the Couric interview?  You recommended that Joe try to pull the "uncle Joe" routine but does that really fit his personality at all to dial back the emotion and assertiveness that he showed in the primary debates and on the stump?

by Blazers Edge 2008-10-01 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree

It'll definitely be the Barracuda, but when she gets cornered by stuff she genuinely has no clue about, she'll still be wrong.

I think the Uncle Joe thing is entirely in keeping with his personality. He just has to avoid the insults and keep the maximum volume down to about a 7.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:34PM | 0 recs
Biden took advice from Clinton

Boxer, Feinstein, and Granholm regarding Palin.  I suspect these four believe Palin is a joke.  I wonder what advice Clinton gave Biden.  Boxer probably told Biden to go right after her.

by Blazers Edge 2008-10-01 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

Maybe they did, but he showed signs of knowing about this method of dealing with her early on. Obama's campaign said something about her on the first day, then NOTHING. That wasn't by accident, they knew exactly how to handle her. Somebody in there knows the score.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

Their initial comment was a massive mistake and I don't think they know how to handle her.

For example, its very possible that like Reagan vs Carter she totally cuts Biden up despite being much less smart.  She massively over performed at her speech remember?

Then what?

Obama has no plan B.

He hasn't done the footwork.

There is a massive she is not qualified attack run by the media with no coordination with no plan B.

There are many ways this can go badly for Obama and he doesn't have anyone jumping for the rebound in case his shot misses.

The nature of successful political attacks is that they should be many in number and each take a small bite so that even if you don't believe one attack its hard to believe they are all wrong.  And if they believe one attack is unfair they don't believe all are unfair.

But Obama has a single attack against Palin.  If he loses control of that attack and it comes back on him he is totally screwed.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

Yes, their INITIAL comment. Retracted within hours and never repeated ONCE. That's exactly what I mean. Someone told them how to play the game.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

His attack against Palin is no attack. Whether she becomes more popular or not, his strategy is to beat the crap out of McCain. He can't beat her through attacks, you said so yourself!

Seriously, which do you believe, that he should attack her or that he shouldn't? And do you honestly think that this campaign, which turned a 5 point loss into an 5 point lead within days, doesn't have a Plan B?

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

Why do you keep posting here? dt you are only embarassing yourself. You were so WRONG about attacking Palin and now you presume to give more adivce about what Obama should do. ROTFLMAO

by venician 2008-10-01 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

"Why do you keep posting here?"

The same reason why the crazy guy on the corner takes his shirt off, screams at himself, does pullups on the walk sign, and then stands in the middle of the street barking at passing cars.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-10-01 11:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

Boxer is stupid.

Biden will win the most points by trying to let her win.  Be honest.  Be clear.  Don't try and score any points except in defense.  Shut his mouth as often as possible.

For Biden to do that he has to think he is trying to lose the debate.

If he shuts his mouth and lets her guide the conversation and uses his superior mind to redirect back to actual things that have actually happened he wins.

Palin:  Abortion

Biden:  I will side with the majority of American's on this issue.

Palin:  Terrorism

Biden:  Bush has created a power vacuum in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq and the breeding grounds for terrorism are more furtile than when he took office.

Palin:  Economy

Biden:  The democrats turn with the economy with President Clinton was far better than the Republican's turn which is now ending in recession with Bush.


It is only in reply that Palin has the strength to bend Biden's power back on himself.

If Biden lets her control the conversation and never initiates he can be SOLID against her.

When its his turn to attack he should resist.  It demonstrates more sincerely than anything else that she is not in his league.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 07:42PM | 0 recs
"Boxer is stupid."

And you are...?  Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

by failsafe 2008-10-01 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: "Boxer is stupid."

Yep Boxer is stupid.

I am never voting for her again.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 07:51PM | 0 recs
What's your issue with Boxer

It cannot be for supporting Obama, since she announced that she would cast her superdelegate vote for HRC, even though I suspect she personally cast her California vote for Obama.

I wonder who Biden and Webb voted for in their state's primaries.

by Blazers Edge 2008-10-01 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: "Boxer is stupid."

Not to mention a poopy-head...

by failsafe 2008-10-01 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

You are right. 100% right.

Trying to believe that they could beat her is what killed, killed, killed, killed her opponents in previous debates. They tried to use her inexperience against her, and she made it seem like they were just beating up a girl.

She will look very silly if she keeps attacking Biden and he keeps shrugging it off without counterattacking. That's what he has to do. The most aggressive thing he can do to attack back is to say, "Governor, that was out of line. I have not attacked you, nor do I plan to. Your repeated attacks and insults are doing nothing but wasting everyone's time."

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden took advice from Clinton

I don't think he should even do that.

Just the facts.

Let her hang herself with her own rope.

by dtaylor2 2008-10-01 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Average American people don't really care if Palin is an expert on foreign policy. Bill Clinton knew nothing about foreign policy when he ran for President in 1992, he was groomed by many advisors. People want to hear her speak from the heart and show them that she loves our country...something Obama and Biden are incapable of doing. Palin needs to remind people that she represents change in Washington and will fight political corruption. Her values, beliefs and reputation along with her good judgment make her well qualified for VP.

by USMCVET 2008-10-01 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Believe that if you want. Most Americans aren't like Republican wingnuts, though. They actually care about this country enough to want a President they can trust.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

God help us if the bar for running the country becomes making people think that you love it.

by vcalzone 2008-10-01 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

As the sage Colbert said: "many say they love their country, but only Exxon is willing to penetrate it."

by failsafe 2008-10-01 07:46PM | 0 recs
Most Americans aren't... stupid as you are. We've already seen her BS her way through interviews by "speaking from her heart." And her approval numbers have plummeted to the point where she is a laughingstock and conservatives think she should step down.

That's not enough - except for the hardcore GOP base, of which you seem to be a part.

It's an insult to Bill Clinton to compare her responses to basic questions about American policy to Clinton in 1992. Clinton was smart and informed. Palin is incurious, ignorant and arrogant.

The worst judgment Palin showed was accepting the VP nomination when she's obviously - to quote Kathleen Parker - out of her league.

by elrod 2008-10-01 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Most Americans aren't...

Rhodes Scholar and Ivy League Lawyer vs. Five-minor-schools-in-six-years Communications Major

Yep. Exactly the same thing.

by Bush Bites 2008-10-02 04:44AM | 0 recs
You have no idea

what "Average American People" want, unless you run a high-end polling firm. You know what you want and perhaps a handful of your militia buddies.

I know quite a few "Average American People" who are really moved by Obama and Biden.

Palin doesn't need to know foreign policy. But she does need to bullshit better about it.

by Neef 2008-10-02 02:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Pre Debate Jitters ...

Bill Clinton was an international affairs major at Georgetown University and during his college years worked as a clerk on the Foreign Relations Committee. I should also mention that he was a Rhodes Scholar and has a law degree from Yale.
Are you sure he knew nothing about foreign policy?

We've had enough of politicians whose ignorance of world affairs is only surpassed by their mastery of the English language.

Loving your country qualifies you for hanging a flag out on the 4th of July, not for the second highest office in the land.

by skohayes 2008-10-02 03:04AM | 0 recs
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But Clinton was, like, smart.

Palin isn't.

by Bush Bites 2008-10-02 04:40AM | 0 recs
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The Republicans have been snagged by a trap of their own creation.  They've been making the case for the past seven years that we live in a dangerous world and it takes an exceptional leader to protect it.  Joe and Jane Sixpack might not care much about the Supreme Court, but they do care very much about national security and understand that making good decisions in e this area isn't something everybody can do.

McCain's nom of Palin is the gift which keeps on giving.  Among the less obvious benefits, Joe and Jane Sixpack are getting a clear demonstration that many Republican-leaning talking heads are, well, hacks.  There have been too many "emperor's new clothes" moments.  Think she'll do better than expected tomorrow, btw, but will also come off as a small town mayor.

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-10-01 09:54PM | 0 recs
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I have all the confidence in the world that the strategists and preppers of the Obama/Biden campaign will not be out-smarted by their counterparts on the McCain/Palin side tonight.

I never watch debates because they suck. Tonight I will watch, but I'm taking a great personal risk in doing so. After the debate I will go to sleep. In the morning I am having Lasik surgery in both eyes, and there is a small chance that I will emerge blind. If that happens, the last memories of my previous sighted life will be the Veep debate of 2008.

Talk about 'jitters'!

by QTG 2008-10-02 02:19AM | 0 recs
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good luck with your procedure tomorrow  

by wellinformed 2008-10-02 05:39AM | 0 recs


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