Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Cross-posted from Hatewatch from the Left.

Why do so many on Daily Kos hate Hillary?  Apparently, it has far less to do with her policies than with their sexual fantasies.  DHinMI is a front-pager at Daily Kos, but even he knew THIS DIARY was such an astounding piece of filth it did not belong there.  Instead, he snuck it into the regular diaries.  And what did he receive in response?  Mostly, applause.  So, you might ask, what's the problem?  I'll tell you, but you have to jump first.

Here you go, the first two paragraphs, in their entirety:

In 1992, I saw Bill Clinton at the quad at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.  (No, it's not a woman, yes, it's in Michigan).  Bill had just schooled George Herbert Hoover Walker Bush in a debate at Michigan State University (AKA Moo U), and he was coming down to one of the finest public research universities in the world to say hey to some students.  It was kind of a chilly night--iirc, it was about the second week of October--but the quad was so packed that you were warm, because literally people were jammed together.  I was with a couple friends, but I was literally touching about four other people...including a woman who, I realized after about a half an hour, was quite enjoying her boyfriend's hand below her belt buckle.

It was the night I learned the term MILF, and it was applied to Hillary Clinton.

That, mind you, was just the set-up.  Lovely, don't you think?  He saw Bill Clinton and somebody getting jerked off at the same time, and where did his mind go?  To wanting to fuck Hillary Clinton.  Okay, to each his own, sexual-fantasy wise.  No big deal.  Odd, perhaps, that he decides to air his fantasies on a blog, but whatever.  It's where he goes from there that matters.  But first, let's see how far he takes it.  Well, he compares her to Rosalyn Carter, Nancy Reagan, and Tipper Gore, then says

So granted, the competition wasn't too fierce.  But in 1992, Hillary was about as hip a potential first lady as we'd had in American since Eleanor Roosevelt, and she was better looking.  

Is there any doubt at all here that this is about Hillary's looks, her sexual desireability?  No?  I didn't think so.  Next?

WTF happened to her?

OK, granted, Bill was a jerk.  Getting a bj from a nitwitted Beverly Hills brat has to be one of the most humiliating things a prominent American man has done to his wife in our history.

Yes, our progressive front-pager goes from Bill Clinton getting a blowjob, to denigrating Monica Lewinsky as a "nitwit," (after all, she's a girl who had sex with a man, what a "nitwit"), then presumes that Bill's actions did something to Hillary, presumably something that changed her sexual desireability.

At the very end, he tried to pretend the diary was about Clinton's campaign.  But the bottom line is he went from masturbation to MILF to blowjob to not finding her attractive any more.

DHinMI, I sure am sorry you don't find the 60 year old Hillary as hot as the 44 year old Hillary, but I've got new for you buddy, she was never going to fuck you anyway.  From what I've seen, she prefers intelligent men.

Tags: Daily Kos, Hillary Clinton, misogyny, Recommended (all tags)

Comments

232 Comments

I'll never understand this...

...its a WEBSITE which you are apparently boycotting, but not so much that there doesn't seem to be a twenty-four hour obsession with what's going on there or not going on there.

You do see that's there's PASSIONATE support for Darcy Bruner on the front page as there was passionate support for Donna Edwards, both women. It ain't about misogyny... its just about Hillary's choices and positions.

by Lieber 2008-04-19 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

It ain't about misogyny... its just about Hillary's choices and positions.

The diary referenced would seem to indicate otherwise.  What a piece of filth.

by Denny Crane 2008-04-19 07:06AM | 0 recs
The attempt to make that ONE...

...diary indicative of a greater misogyny is what I was referring to.

In general, there is as much passion for women there as there is here... just not for Hillary Clinton.

by Lieber 2008-04-19 07:41AM | 0 recs
ROFL

no, dkos has never had any "passion for women".

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:44AM | 0 recs
So when I come back and post the...

...numerous diaries about Donna Edwards and Darcy Brunner and Marcy Winograd... and diaries routinely on the recommended list by NYEve and Granny Doc... you'll find a way to discount all that as well?

No sense in having this argument, especially since there is utterly no point to the constant need to reference a site that's being boycotted. Yes?

by Lieber 2008-04-19 07:48AM | 0 recs
Even worse evidence of misogyny!

Right here.

by DSloth 2008-04-19 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Even worse evidence of misogyny!

Holy shit.  That person is disturbed, but apparently sane enough to contribute to Hillary Hub.

by rfahey22 2008-04-19 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Even worse evidence of misogyny!

That person also actively campaigns as a volunteer for Hillary in Charlotte and has had recommended diaries here on MyDD. In addition, he called Michelle "blow job queen" twice here in comments.

by Rumproast 2008-04-19 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Even worse evidence of misogyny!

I also just noticed one of those "blow job queen" comments was uprated
by susanhu
, also known as SusanUnPC of No Quarter fame.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/15/2 2342/9182/71?mode=alone;showrate=1#71

Others have rated this comment as follows:
elrod     1
Mary Mary     1
mady     0
Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner     0
susanhu     2
Transplanted Texan     0
ejintx     0
Socraticsilence     0
Si Ella Puede     0

by Rumproast 2008-04-19 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: oh great..

Scary blicks!

by RLMcCauley 2008-04-19 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Even worse evidence of misogyny!

I have seen that many times... and have commented here about it... well, not about the Michelle comment but about the Donna B. one...

Bash on Kos all you want... I have seen worse... at least some of the vitriol on Kos gets called out... other places it is just allowed to thrive....

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-19 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: oh great..

Who is he flipping off in that picture?

by notme54 2008-04-19 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Even worse evidence of misogyny!

SoCalVet can't handle the truth. Nice job hiding a link showing how Hillary supporters can be misogynistic and racist.

The mirror, it burns.

by Rumproast 2008-04-19 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: oh great..

Oh dear, is he flipping off small townspeople, gun owners, and women in general?  I'm going to have to write a diary on that, if Texasdarlin hasn't beaten me to it.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: oh great..

Is Obama flipping off the camera-person right there, who might very well be a Hillary supporter?

Quick, email redstate and rev up the outrage!

by rhetoricus 2008-04-19 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: So when I come back and post the...

The problem, as I see it, is that DHinMI is a frontpager.  Now, there's no way that any blog site can be blamed for everything that is written.  There's horrific crap to be found anywhere.  But again - frontpager.

by Montague 2008-04-19 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: So when I come back and post the...

I agree the problem is that DHinMI is a frontpager, even if the particular diary was not in the frontpage. Although I am an Obama supporter, I find DHinMI often embarassing.

by Fairy Tale 2008-04-19 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: So when I come back and post the...

I've read racist front page articles on this site.  By someone named Jerome.  I wrote it down.  Disgusting.

by tibbs 2008-04-19 10:36PM | 0 recs
Re: ROFL

Please prove your assertion.

by RLMcCauley 2008-04-19 08:37AM | 0 recs
common knowledge

doesn't require proof and neither does opinion.  No one should have to tell you that.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 11:00AM | 0 recs
So say the people who

believe the earth is flat.

by RLMcCauley 2008-04-19 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: common knowledge

Did you know the earth is only 6,000 years old?  I don't need proof, I have common knowledge and opinion.

by kasjogren 2008-04-19 03:55PM | 0 recs
bullshit

I can't believe you when I have seen with my own eyes the terrible things said about Hillary...such as "bitch", etc.  

Not only do people get away with saying anything and everything about her in very derogatory, woman-hating terms, but people acutally uprate that trash and then throw a fit if you call them on it.

by SoCalVet 2008-04-19 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: bullshit

But you obviously don't want to acknowledge all of the terrible things (racists and misogynistic) that are written and said about Barack and Michelle Obama because you tried to bury a link spotlighting it up thread.

by Rumproast 2008-04-19 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: bullshit

But mydd-ers just love that b word.  They were gleeful when Tina Fey used it.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-19 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

and also note, if DHinMI wrote this, he is one of the most established front pagers.  I always knew him to be a jerk, but this proved it conclusively.  

What an as*hole!  Well, he has good company.  Markos is another one.  

by ghost 2 2008-04-19 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Nah, it's about the author of the piece from Kos quoted above being a sick creep.

by mady 2008-04-19 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

LexLuther, you who troll-rated me.  I am an Obama supporter but I am a woman and that kind of vileness deserves to be called out.  Do you have a problem with this?

by mady 2008-04-19 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Is this the mady I know?  Hey, how's it going? Yes, you're able to see sexism and still support your guy. And you're able to play with the opposition.  I have a diary from yesterday (and today at No Quarter) on the Iraq exit plans.  I'm for her for the same reason you're for him?  

by anna shane 2008-04-19 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Hiya.  Yeah, I wrote a diary last week about younger women in politics.  This stuff really gets to me, and the post described in this diary reminds me of gropers on the subway when I was a young woman in NY.  Ugh.  

Well, I'm for him because his world view coicides the most completely with mine.  That's as close as I can get to describing it.  Support for a candidate is based on so many signals from them, some policy, some personal, you know?  And hey, I in now way consider you "my opposition."  We just support different candidates, but the same values I think.

by mady 2008-04-19 08:08AM | 0 recs
It was you!

Mady,

I referred to your diary down thread.  Could you post a link for it? It's a must-read and didn't get rescued.

by asherrem 2008-04-19 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: It was you!
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/16/1636 13/282#readmore
This, on atttitudes to younger women in politics?
by mady 2008-04-19 08:19AM | 0 recs
This is it

^ Please, read mady's diary :)

by asherrem 2008-04-19 08:26AM | 0 recs
for sure

I've really missed you!!! I don't miss the orange site, but I've missed you. How's your husband, is he still cooking great meals for you?  This site is slow for me, so I don't comment as much here (I have to get high speed, one of these days).  But I'll look for you, now that I know your mydd name.  I always keep the same one, either no imagination or too forgetful, (one or the other).  Let's do a girl power cocktail hour?  (I'm for her for her exit plan and world view.  I'm rabid about getting out of Iraq,)  Got to get to work doing something else, love, a.s.

by anna shane 2008-04-19 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Anna, if you are talking to me, I have never posted on DKos. I'm sorry if I misled you, or maybe I am misunderstanding to whom your last post was directed. Apologies at any rate.

by mady 2008-04-19 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Because someone told him that Clinton was a MILF?

by RLMcCauley 2008-04-19 08:38AM | 0 recs
bullshit

sorry, but if you can read that and think it is not about misogyny, please go take a class with the sanctimonious women's study set and get back to us when you know something.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:33AM | 0 recs
In that class...

...I'm sure the smart, incisive professor would warn against painting an entire culture (in this case DailyKos) with a large brush based on the action of individuals within that culture.

I would certainly respect that professor for knowing how to draw boundaries within a community and regarding their own emotional reactions and background.

by Lieber 2008-04-19 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Hmm... no comment on the piece of filth from a dkos front-pager then eh?

Why am I not surprised?

by alegre 2008-04-19 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

And where's your comment on the regular misogynistic filth on Michelle?

The silence is deafening.

Where's your reaction to the photo upthread?

Nowhere.

Feminism that eschews its values for the sake of one candidate in one election isn't worth the name. It's just another tool in your partisan armoury.

Sorry. I had Margaret Thatcher for 11 years. I know that a woman can be as misogynistic, authoritarian and as tyrannical as a man. Your identity politics has gone haywire, and in the propaganda used to promote Hillary, sexism, racism, republicanism, smear by association, smear by innuendo, are all legitimate

Yes, you are the enemy you've been waiting for.

by brit 2008-04-19 11:21AM | 0 recs
Well to be honest with you...

...I hadn't gotten past the desperate obsession with Kos to get to the actual statements, which will absolutely not go down as a high water mark for the blogger or the site as a whole. But "misogyny", "sexism" and "racism" seem to be in the air more than... air... and are mostly used as the first line of attack when an attack is desired.

by Lieber 2008-04-19 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Well to be honest with you...

Mostly used as a first line of attack... or a first line of defense when wanting to attack?

Seriously... we live in a country in without subsidized day care and government sanctioned obstacles to women's health. THATS MISOGYNY.

Disliking Hillary? That's just using powers of observation. You guys are fighting the flies and ignoring the festering corpse in the room.

by Lettuce 2008-04-20 04:41AM | 0 recs
So true.

I think the ex-kos 'strikers' feel humiliated that their strike failed so pathetically.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-19 11:49AM | 0 recs
I think its more about continued justification...

...then whether the strike has failed or succeeded, especially since short of Daily Kos collapsing I'm not sure what success would look like. I suppose if Hillary ends up with the nomination THAT would be seen as success, but it will have absolutely nothing with whether a group of people does or does not post on Daily Kos.

by Lieber 2008-04-19 12:31PM | 0 recs
It's never a failure

when you reclaim your self-respect.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-19 04:47PM | 0 recs
Hi, Predictor!
Have we met over here?  I know you from somewhere...
Sounds like a pick-up line, but never mind!
I love your comments over at EENR.
Stay well!
by Radiowalla 2008-04-19 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Wow, more of the victimhood campaign.

It's so inspiring.  

by nocore 2008-04-19 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I'll never understand this...

Thank you, exactly, well-put.

by bosdcla14 2008-04-20 03:31AM | 0 recs
Dude, did you strain something

...with that reach?

Monica was a "twit" for instigating an affair with a married man and stabbing a good woman--Hillary--in the back. (He was MORE of a twit, being older and supposedly more responsible).

I think he's suggesting that the affair might have made her bitter and more willing to be negative (I don't think she deserves that excuse, because she chose to stay with the wretch).

by rhetoricus 2008-04-19 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude, did you strain something

I think he's suggesting that the affair might have made her bitter and more willing to be negative (I don't think she deserves that excuse, because she chose to stay with the wretch).

typical bitter woman.

There is no reason for this type of diary.  It's pretty bad.

by jaydub799 2008-04-19 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude, did you strain something

Point of clarification.  I am referring to the diary written by DHinMI cited in THIS diary in my comment above.

If not mysogynistic, it is at least degrading.  

L'est we all forget that while Bill did humiliate Hillary in a very public way, they are still together.  Couples who have an affair happen all the time in this world, and yes, sometimes, the cheated on actually forgives the other person.  I believe the Clintons are in love, and that should make Hillary above degradation.

by jaydub799 2008-04-19 09:44AM | 0 recs
AGAIN,

he did not degrade Hillary for the affair. He did degrade Monica (which home-wreckers deserve, in my opinion).

DHinMI wondered what prompted her to become so negative and Rovian, and suggested trauma over the affair, and the GOP exploitation of it, might have had something to do with it.

by rhetoricus 2008-04-19 10:02AM | 0 recs
jeez thanks for clarifying

I was about to hit you with a donut and a lecture.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Doesn't exactly look like a very serious blog....

If you want to call THAT misogyny, then the same applies to just about every late night comedy show since 1992.

Chill, its just a crude joke post.

by smoothmedia 2008-04-19 07:09AM | 0 recs
oops sorry

I slipped.  

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Ah those sexist joke diaries, about as funny as a Sambo diary would be. It does explain DHinMI's hostility to Hillary Clinton.

by souvarine 2008-04-19 08:19AM | 0 recs
It's not considered good form

and it's not considered very polite to point out the misogyny that colors  Hillary Hate from the left.  

You dared to do so and I tip my hat to you.    

Thanks.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-19 07:11AM | 0 recs
WOW.

Guess what--a lot of people disgusted with Hillary are women.

A lot of people disenchanted with Hillary are people who stuck up for her and defended her for YEARS.

Playing the misogyny victim card is wearing real thin.

by rhetoricus 2008-04-19 10:05AM | 0 recs
Guess what --

a lot of people don't like misogyny no matter who is the recipient.

Some seem to tolerate it quite nicely when it is directed at a political opponent.  

I like to think about the Obama supporters who have the class to speak out against misogyny when they see it.  I like to remember that not everyone is blinded by candidate fever.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-19 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Guess what --

We do speak out--when it's actually there.

by rhetoricus 2008-04-19 10:39AM | 0 recs
I used to be anti-Hillary...
I've changed my mind in the last couple months. I think the rhetoric is 'way out of line, compared to her record. & I don't see all that much of a record with her competition.
Alas.
by Lynwaz 2008-04-19 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

i iz blogginz / leef IÂ alonze

by ragekage 2008-04-19 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager
If you're so concerned, why are you posting this here? Why aren't you at kos defending your opinions? Whay do Clinton supporters keep bringing up kos here?  Why are  you on this cite if you're so obsessed with kos then go to kos.
That fact that he keeps getting mentioned here, just shows how much you really miss posting there.
by venician 2008-04-19 07:22AM | 0 recs
he keeps getting mentioned here?

No he doesn't.

IF you don't like the diary leave it.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Clearly because dhonig is looking for back-patting, and saw a cheap way to get some...

by username2 2008-04-19 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

No, because I have decided to identify racism and misogyny wherever I find it, for this election has exposed the ugly underbelly of the self-identifying "progressive" blogosphere. I turns out to be just as ugly and hateful as everything else.

by dhonig 2008-04-19 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Then I would certainly hope you got to hillaryis44... and start calling some people out.

Referring to Donna Brazille as "brillohead" is both sexist and racist.  And don't get me started on the comments about Michelle Obama....

And yet, no one seems to say anything....

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-19 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Frankly, I have never been to that site, and do not consider it mainstream left blogosphere.  That said, if you point out that particular posting to me I will more thrilled to add it to Hatewatch, for it surely qualifies.

by dhonig 2008-04-19 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Upthread there is a nice link that explore the comments and he tacit approval of the comments...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-19 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Here is the link....

I have seen it on that site m self and for whatever reason, it does not get called out by any of the commenters... that is what I meant by tacit approval.

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/ comments/hillary_campaign_promotes_blogg er_who_has_repeatedly_called_michelle_ob ama/

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-19 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

I saw all the bj queen comments and links, but they appear to be gone.  do you have a link to the brillo-head comment, or did I just miss it?  

Generally, I don't post simple racist morons, IF the site self-polices and gets rid of the comments.  I am more interested in the hateful comments that get put up, affirmatively applauded, and stay up.  There are exceptions, like the c**t comment, and the ones you referenced about Michelle Obama.  I will add these to the site over the weekend.

thanks.  And to everybody, I really am interested in ANY example of hate from the left, no matter what candidate it is aimed at.  

by dhonig 2008-04-19 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

The may have scrubbed them... usually I can find one of two in any diary about Donna B.

I did find this gem though in the 2nd diary down...

"Shit. David Boren backing Obama. Fat little, rapist, faggot bastard."

Ugh...  

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-19 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

I feel a bit ambivalent about your diary until I'm convinced about what you say: fighting sexism wherever you see it.

One of the problems is 'where you see it'. I actually see it in Grendelwasmisunderstood's photo upthread. But I notice you haven't trolled or hide rated it. I see it recurrently in posts here about Michelle, mainly from men, some of them clearly republican trolls, but I rarely see some of the more prominent feminists here respond. Why?

Whenever I see a b***ch comment I troll that - except in the awkward situation after SNL when Hillary supporters used the word in their sig lines.

Until Hillary supporters are consistent in their attacks against sexism, I'm inclined to think this is an abuse of ideology for personal or partisan ends. Sorry

BTW - all the mojo for the picture was from the usual suspects.

nklein      1
brit     0
BlueDoggyDogg     2
Jeter     0
Rumproast     0
CoyoteCreek     2
4justice     2

Attack sexism wherever you find it, or risk being called a hypocrite

by brit 2008-04-19 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Agree with dHonig. I'm supporting HRC in this race and have never visited that site.

The Big Orange Place is pretty much the first blog people think of when they consider Left Blogistan. Of course, it's been a hostile environment for women for years (Pie Wars, anyone?).

Yes, this campaign has been a real eye-opener for me as well.

by OtherLisa 2008-04-19 09:41AM | 0 recs
Could you tell me?
Has the owner of that site been on MSNBC to give their biased bigoted opinions?  Have they been invited to be on the Bill Maher Show?  Are they mentioned as a blog on MSM shows?  I have never been to that site and the ONLY people that mention it are Hillary haters.  Somehow this obscure site that gets no attention except from those who need to say "Yes but, yea but......" whenever someone decries the open bias and nastiness of dkos toward another democrat, and the overt hatred of Senator Clinton at Huffington.  Are you honestly saying that this obscure site that you frequent has the visibility with anyone except those extreme haters from both sides?????
And you are equating the silence of those of us who have never gone there with the silence of the very well known boggers on well know sites?
by Jjc2008 2008-04-19 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Actually, even though we are probably playing on the same team, I have to disagree on this.  Donna Brazille may be both black and female, but I don't think "brillohead" is racist and/or sexist so much as juvenile.  Kind of like calling someone named Jean Botte "butthead."

It's scary that national politics can do this to normally-functioning adults...

by username2 2008-04-21 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

You didn't follow the link, did you?  Instead, you made assumptions that just make you look foolish.  I did address it there, for I never participated in the boycott.  Silly you.

by dhonig 2008-04-19 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

i don't let it bother me too much. some of those kossacks are barely out of puberty, and most of them have decades to go in their psychosexual maturation. they're still chasing girls but don't know what to do if they ever catch one. of course, one of my areas of work is evaluating sexual predators for dangerousness, so maybe my standards are too low.

my interactions with DHinMI left me more concerned with his reality testing than his misogyny- he had some basic facts wrong in a front page diary, and refused to change the incorrect text.

by campskunk 2008-04-19 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Wow. Dr. Campskunk is in the house.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

That particular front pager sounds bitter, like he isn't getting any from anyone himself. Most people who focus on the sexuality and make judgements about first ladies on their desirability are in the same category as Tweety.  I bet just writing that diary ,DHinMI
had something running up his leg.

He fits that website well.  I'm suprised that it was taken off the frontpage.  That is usually where they keep their garbage.

by Scotch 2008-04-19 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Wait, you attack that poster (and rightfully so) for "focus[ing] on the sexuality and mak[ing] judgements about first ladies on their desirability."  

So far, so good....

But your own response is to say that poster is bitter because he "isn't getting any"?  What?  Did I just read that correctly??

Unintentional irony, anyone?

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-19 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Using his own methods on him, and a little psychology.  He did something to cause people to think that about him. Hillary did nothing but get older at the same rate he did, but he chose to reject her and critique the bodies of all the other first ladies in his memory.   I guess for the possibility of him having sex with them in his fantasies. When someone goes so far as to write a diary about this subject let alone even think of the possibilities, I'd say he is pretty needy in his own real life.

by Scotch 2008-04-19 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

It is almost a relief to see the misogyny so out in the open for a change.  The stark sexism of many Obama supporters is a sad commentary on our gender politics.

by linfar 2008-04-19 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Sexism around the corner. Misogyny under the bed.

Monsters in the closet.

This is a mtv generation people...get a grip.

by april34fff 2008-04-19 10:05AM | 0 recs
Ugh, you made me look

I read about half way down the comments and came to the conclusion that many of the women still blogging there are morons, including and particularly the FPers.

I expect stupidity on this level from most of the men, sadly.  when Markos said they would continue to not tolerate sexism, WTF was he talking about if not this sort of blatant sexist garbage?

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

He meant moving mysogny from the front page to the side column.  Duh.

by Scotch 2008-04-19 07:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

Alot of us women who post at Kos support Obama, love the political and non-political content there and feel that this feminist crap is so sixties and soooo passe.

At some point, ladies, its time to move on into the 21st century and stop playing the "woe is me victim card."

Sheesh.

by april34fff 2008-04-19 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

Wow!  Have you graduated from middle school yet?  I doubt that someone so ignorant of demographics and economic reality is old enough to vote.  Is the above post an example from what's being called Obama's college educated supporters?  Because if it is, it's no wonder BO is so dismissive of women.  

by miriam 2008-04-19 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

Sure Miriam. And I am equally sure that before Barack started kicking Hillary's ass, gender politics was your number one issue, right? All of a sudden Barack supporters have become woman haters! Do you realize how foolish and disingenuous you sound?
What alot of you HRC supporters need to do is stop labeling everyone whom you don't agree with a sexist (men and women included), and start using all your negative energy to help out her dying campagn.

Chances are you will keep whining instead.

by april34fff 2008-04-19 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

wow, I guess you also feel the same way about racist, correct?

take your sentence:
"At some point, ladies, its time to move on into the 21st century and stop playing the "woe is me victim card."

and apply that to AA's.  I dare you.

by colebiancardi 2008-04-19 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

Is that why you here? Are you some kind of troll who wants to demolish civil rights and women's rights at the same time? Why else would you ask this?

Guess what - 51 per cent of African americans are women. Should they get over misogyny? Should they get over slavery?

I'm half minded to troll you for that remark because there are some people here, and you look like one, who are just interested in sowing division in racial and gender politics.

There are serious things to be said. But yours is the freeper tactic - turning one minority against the other, neutralising the joint voices of majority.

If you're a Hillary supporter, you're driving nails into the coffin of her candidacy. And if you're not...

Well then we all know what you are.

by brit 2008-04-19 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

"Demolish civil and women's rights?"

Uh... not. To hear some people cry sexism and misogny over every petty remark and then begin to decry Barack supporters and Barack himself as sexist is b.s. and you know it. We are all progressives here (i think) and people on this site are vilifying Moveon, dkos, huffpo; and throwing around these insults and provocative words at fellow progressives just because their cherished candidate is losing.

That behavior is transparent and insulting.

by april34fff 2008-04-20 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

Some mistake here. You must have replied to the wrong thread. I was decrying exactly the same behaviour you were. Weird.

Maybe it's just Sunday and you misread my post.

by brit 2008-04-20 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

Definite mistake.

Stayed out way to late last nite. or should i say this morn.

i need to take two tylenols and start again tomorrow mornin.....lol

by april34fff 2008-04-20 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

No problem. It's LATE afternoon here in London, or otherwise I might be in the same condition.

by brit 2008-04-20 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Ugh, you made me look

Sorry Brit ...I thought that comment was for me

by april34fff 2008-04-20 07:22AM | 0 recs
okay...

...being a woman, and being a long standing member of DailyKos, I am grossly offended by your comment Teresa.  Don't insult other people's intellegence because they disagree with you.

I read that diary twice and found no evidence of misogyny.  I did find all kinds of evidence HERE of prejudice of another kind.

So he heard someone ELSE refer to Clinton as a MILF, and it was the first time he'd ever heard that term, but that makes HIM a misogynist?

If I tell the story about the first time I heard the word "Chink" and had no idea it was a racial slur, does that make me a racist?

Come on!  You should be better than this pile on of grandiose self-validation!

Give me a break!

by DawnG 2008-04-19 07:30PM | 0 recs
It's a stretch to call that misogyny.

A term that is thrown around loosely here for some reason.

I also thought Hillary was the coolest, hippest First Lady we ever had.  Since 2000 I was pretty sure she was going to run in 2008 and I was sure I would vote for her.   That was an exciting prospect, having the first woman president...still is.

But by the time the campaign came around, she had positioned herself so far to the right I just couldn't vote for her.  And what is sad is that her problem is that she started positioning herself too early.  Public sentiment was different in the first two or three years after the millenium than it is now on several issues but mainly the occupation of Iraq.  But she can't help it...she's stuck with the position she took and her votes back when that appeared to be the politically shrewd move.

I was sad that I just couldn't support her right of center (wherever the hell the center is now) positions.  I'm not so sad now because of the kitchen sink politicking against one of our own.  I'm even less sad because she is attempting to throw MoveOn under the bus for her own ambitions.

Throughout this campaign I have been quietly saying to myself...please Hillary, stop this nonsense and go back to the compassionate, strong, progressive candidate I expected you to be.  It's frustrating, like getting into an argument with your significant other where said other gets so nasty that you are forced to say 'Please stop, you are making me hate you and I don't want to'.

by GFORD 2008-04-19 07:30AM | 0 recs
nonsense

she is no farther right than Obama.  And you apparently wouldn't know sexism or misogyny if stumbled over them and fell in a vat of testosterone.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:37AM | 0 recs
Perhaps.

But I do recognize incivility.

I won't make assumptions about what you think because I don't know anything about you.  Tell me a little about yourself please and I'll tell you a little about myself.  I bet we'll find that we have a lot in common.

by GFORD 2008-04-19 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps.

Clinton's voting record and platform is center left. She is one of the most progressive senators that we have. To say otherwise is just fantasy.

I'm going to post the link to Progressive Punch, as I freqently do, because it posts an assessment of her votes using, as the standard, the votes of the six most progressive members of congress using a dozens of of issues -as opposed to most single issue assessments. I have yet to have an Obama supporter have the nerve to go take a look at is - most likely because you already know that the charge that she's farther right than Obama is preposterous in the extreme. I'll be interested in seeing if you're an Obama suppporter who has the courage of your convictions and if not, what excuses you come up with for not viewing the page.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/members. jsp?search=selectName&member=NYI& ;chamber=Senate&zip=&x=31&y= 11

by Little Otter 2008-04-19 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps.

Generally, they are both on the left.  Too bad about the war.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps.
Which war?
by Jeter 2008-04-19 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps.

Yeah, I guess that's kind of a topic best not brought up on this fansite. Not unlike Bush hiding the returning coffins, some here would cover up Hillary's own inconvenient truth that she was regarded as one of the hawks on Iraq until her stance started polling badly.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps.

Yes, I see she does have a better Progressive Score than Obama.

by cameoanne 2008-04-19 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps.

Teresa's never civil.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Perhaps.

Oh we can't have.  If people who disagreed started talking to each other then who knows what kind of understanding and enlightenment can come from it.

It's just so much easier and more satisfying to pass judgement based on a narrow to no understanding of someone else based on your own overpowering biases.

(and just in case it isn't coming across, yes I am being sarcastic)

by DawnG 2008-04-19 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: It's a stretch to call that misogyny.

I caught a little blurb of Hillary yesterday on the news--"Just knock on the door and tell them I'm really nice.  Or I'm not as bad as they think."--something to that effect.  I said, now where has that Hillary been?  She said it so sincerely, and I really miss that from her.

by asherrem 2008-04-19 07:41AM | 0 recs
this is the problem

you think she should be the Hillary that you find soft or what ever.  Well that is not her job.  She is running for President not your kindergarten teacher.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: this is the problem

You're just full of insults for me today, aren't you?

Soft?  No.  She was never soft.  She is a hell of a woman, one I have always and continue to look up to.

I am saying, somewhere along the line, she lost (what I perceive as) sincerity.  I saw it again yesterday.  I was under the impression sincerity was a good thing.

by asherrem 2008-04-19 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: this is the problem

Hmm.

Just an observation.

Someone says "Man, I miss the nice Hillary, she was actually pretty cool".

Then you flip out over...well, something.

Maybe you should look up the state of the race, Teresa.  Hillary's losing, and the margin is nearly insurmountable.  Maybe if she would have been nice instead of what she was, that might have changed.

But I think it's safe to say that whatever she decided to do, it's headed down the road of being a losing strategy.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-04-19 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: this is the problem

Apaprently you haven't seen the Gallop poll today.  The last debate, having finally aired on something other than cable, had more viewers than the previous ones. Voters got a good look at the real Obama and they didn't like what they saw.  This untruthiness about HRC losing only works if you continue to disenfranchise the voters of Florida and Michigan--if they are counted the race is too close to call.  But that will change after PA when Obama is clocked by Clinton.

by miriam 2008-04-19 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: It's a stretch to call that misogyny.
A term that is thrown around loosely here for some reason.

In current usage, "misogyny" means "opposition to Hillary Clinton as a candidate."  Please try to keep up.
by username2 2008-04-19 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

"...she was never going to fuck you anyway." ROFLMAO  dhonig, you're a treasure.

by Caldonia 2008-04-19 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

DHinMI has some real emotional problems. I had an encounter with him on Kos that basically got me to leave DK. Very creepy guy.

by Little Otter 2008-04-19 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Any reason you troll rated me down thread?  

by Scotch 2008-04-19 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

I would agree that the person seems a bit unhinged, based on my one encounter with him.

by rfahey22 2008-04-19 09:15AM | 0 recs
Very true

His misogynistic commentary drove me away from Kos a couple of years back.  I'd only recently started posting there again, actually - and bam!  All Hillary hate all the time.  So I'm taking another vacation.  Hopefully DHinMI (and his ilk) will have gone the way of the Dodo by the time I venture back.  

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-04-19 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Misogyny is the hatred of women.  Clearly DHinMI does not and did not hate Hillary.

He had a bit of a crush on her, call Gloria Steinem!

by asherrem 2008-04-19 07:38AM | 0 recs
nope

lots of men want to screw women and still hate them.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: nope

Yeah, they're called rapists.  DHinMI's diary is not misogyny.  

by asherrem 2008-04-19 07:43AM | 0 recs
nope

plenty of men want to screw women, hate them and do not commit rape.  

Please go educate yourself.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: nope

Nice.

Because I do not agree with you, I need to educate myself.

The term misogyny literally refers to the "hatred of women."  Expressing you, at one time, had a crush on one but no longer do does not fit that definition.

I guess all that work toward my Human and Family Development degree with a concentration in Women's Studies went down the tubes.  

by asherrem 2008-04-19 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: nope

I guess this wouldn't be the forum to discuss hatred of men...?

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: nope

That is absolutely true. There are many men that want to get a woman to love them, then proceed to dump them for the next "conquest."

Lots of ways to hate without actually physically hurting someone.

by splashy 2008-04-19 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: nope

I wouldn't call that "hate."  I'd call it an inferiority complex or over-competitiveness or something, but not "hate."  Hate implies that you want terrible things to happen to someone.  I would imagine that the man in the above example couldn't care less about the "conquered" women after he moves on to the next woman.  

On second thought, maybe the correct term is just "a@#hole," but not a hater.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-19 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: nope

I would. Any time you lie and cheat someone, you are expressing disdain and hatred for them.

But, that's my definition, I guess.

by splashy 2008-04-20 12:02AM | 0 recs
Re: The Electronic MOB (Movement of Barack)

Thomas Friedman wrote about the electronic herd mentality that helped bring down the stock market.  We now have an electronic MOB that, if left unchecked, is going to bring down the Democratic party.  With his disgusting gestures that exacerbate the frenzied participants, Barack, and his supporters from MoveON.org made a travesty of the caucuses, and are now inundating ABC with their outrage that the MOB has been diss'd.  This is the MOB that can indifferently step on Michigan and Florida because the MOB is more important than the Democratic party and winning in November.  Its getting scary.  Much in the way watching Hitler mesmerize the Germans became scary to any intelligent observer.  This poor guy is revealing true MOB mentality--Might makes Right, and with enough people to support you, anything goes.

by FarWest 2008-04-19 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: The Electronic MOB (Movement of Barack)

The superiority complex that engenders such a reply is breathtaking.  You are stating quite openly that you all (dare I say the elite?) know what is best for the Democratic party and the Obama supporters are a know nothing mob.

This place makes me say WoW a lot

just...wow...

Maybe we should make you emperor, since you know what is good for little ole stupid Democratic party.

by Sychotic1 2008-04-19 07:45AM | 0 recs
Anybody who mentions Dems

and Nazis together is a troll.  I rated as such.  Surprised (or maybe not) to notice there are people who uprated that trash.

by GFORD 2008-04-19 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: The Electronic MOB (Movement of Barack)

Troll-rated for failing to make your point without invoking Hitler.

Hitler was Hitler... there is no one in the world that comes close to that nutbar... Nothing, I repeat nothing, in this primary cycle is akin to the rise of Nazism.

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-19 07:49AM | 0 recs
I regret that I have but one 4

to give for your comment.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 07:50AM | 0 recs
You uprate comparing Dems to Nazis?

Maybe you responded to the wrong comment.  That is a rightwing troll you are praising.

by GFORD 2008-04-19 07:58AM | 0 recs
maybe you don't realize

that he did not compare democrats to nazis.  Reading comprehension is your friend.  Try again.  Or maybe it is history you are confused about.

Hint: not all Germans who went along with the herd were Nazis.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: maybe you don't realize

The commenter compared the "mob mentality" that is perceived to be around Barack Obama with the rise of Hitler and Nazism in Germany... Not only an inaccurate comparison but uncalled for.

But, as long as it is a bash on Obama, it still gets recommends and mojo from some I guess.

I'm starting to understand the comments at hillaryis44 getting a pass now.

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-19 08:52AM | 0 recs
ps... this is not dkos

you will not get as far trying to bully people about who they uprate.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 08:05AM | 0 recs
So now I'm a bully?

My question to you is, what the hell is your problem?  I always respond politely and you always insult me.

When I was a teenager we liked to do group debates for fun (yeah, how nerdy is that?).  It was practice in being assertive, in fact if you had something to say you would say 'Assert!' to get your chance.

Being assertive is the sign of a strong person.  Being agressive is not the same thing.

by GFORD 2008-04-19 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: So now I'm a bully?

Teresa always posts nasty and aggressive comments - she is very, very angry about Hillary losing.  Hopefully we won't have to put up with her for much longer.

by interestedbystander 2008-04-19 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: The Electronic MOB (Movement of Barack)

Did you honestly just equate Obama with Hitler because the Michigan State Legislature decided not to do a re-vote?  Honestly?  Does that sound crazy to anyone else?

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-19 08:04PM | 0 recs
I think it was a joke

But not that it matters.

Cry Misogyny! Its a really cool word.

At this point, I think if you mention anything that has to do with females you are sexist.

Of course, you will claim Obama supporters always cry racism. Which they don't, but whatever.

by BlueGAinDC 2008-04-19 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: I think it was a joke

Its not "females" its Hillary.

Replace her name with Jane Doe in that diary, and I guarentee there wouldn't be a diary here about it.

There was a diary a few days back about young women and politics and why they're not taken seriously (I wish I knew how to find it, but I don't at this point).  That diary got very little dicussion for one reason--it wasn't about Hillary.

by asherrem 2008-04-19 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: I think it was a joke

That's true.  I guess i meant to say if you mention Hillary and then say anything that has to do with her being a woman, you are sexist.

And not only that, but if you post a comment disagreeing with a claim of sexism, then you are a troll, hence my troll rate.

by BlueGAinDC 2008-04-19 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: I think it was a joke

Oh I hear ya...

My intelligence has been questioned twice in this thread alone because I didn't agree the diary was misogynistic.

The diary was crass, tasteless, and rude, but not misogynistic.

by asherrem 2008-04-19 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: I think it was a joke

Jane Doe is not running for president. Is malapropism the way in which all Obama supporters reason and respond?  If so, it's no wonder we of the great unwashed can't understand them.  

by miriam 2008-04-19 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I think it was a joke

You are wrong.  DHinMI made clear that he liked Hillary when he saw her as fuckable, but now that she is no longer attractive to him, he has no use for her.  I'm sorry, but if such simple-minded objectification of women is not misogyny, I do not know what is.

by dhonig 2008-04-19 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager
DHinMI is one of the nastiest of the DKos frontpagers.
Combine him with the rabid, anti-Hillary hatred there and you get a piece of screed like the diary you quote.
by johnnygunn 2008-04-19 07:52AM | 0 recs
I dropped in to your blog

good job and keep it up.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 08:00AM | 0 recs
DHinMI is a notorious hack...

His name's Dana Houle, and he's the former chief of staff to NH Congressman Paul Hodes. Essentially, Houle was forced to resign when he acknowledged he was using his blogging posts in conjunction with his position to further his own professional agenda.

See here, and here.

He is the stereotypical hack; and his writing's among the lowest quality and most offensive of all of Markos' FP'ers.

by bobswern 2008-04-19 08:07AM | 0 recs
Your links don't work.

At least they didn't for me.  

by GFORD 2008-04-19 08:19AM | 0 recs
The links work...

...but you can look 'em up on Bradblog.com, too.

by bobswern 2008-04-19 09:07AM | 0 recs
Okay, thanks.

Sometimes BradBlog is slow for me.

by GFORD 2008-04-19 09:20AM | 0 recs
Very interesting...

indeed.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-19 08:25AM | 0 recs
What a load of crap.

I appreciate that you have to demonize the enemy as a way to somehow explain the improbable defeat of Senator It's-My-Turn, dhonig, but this is ridiculous.

The essence of misogyny is to ascribe to women, especially powerful women, certain negative characteristics, and to turn traits that are positive when ascribed to men into negatives.

Noting that someone is attractive is not misogynist. If it were so, then what do you call the swooning over Scott Kleeb?

Pointing out that Monica Lewinsky is a pretty pathetic individual is also not misogynist. Some women are pathetic, just as some men are. Case in point: Eliot Spitzer.

And if you want to make the case that a site with a female editor-in-chief and several female frontpagers is misogynist, you go right ahead. It's your credibility, not anyone else's. I'd love to hear Plutonium Page's response to this, or BarbinMD's.

As to this diary, well, just post it on Daily Kos itself, where your audience isn't invested in bashing that site. I'd love to see the reaction to that.

by MBNYC 2008-04-19 08:15AM | 0 recs
This front pager

has called non-Obama supporters as being from the KKK, has put up unreferenced and unsourced diaries,  and this person is a capitol hill staffer.  My taxpayer dollars going to people like this?  My dollars going to the candidate who this person is supporting?  Ha!

by 4justice 2008-04-19 08:21AM | 0 recs
Frankly, nothing that guy writes surprises me.

He's a strange one.

by Bob Johnson 2008-04-19 08:28AM | 0 recs
Where's the link to the actual post?

by RLMcCauley 2008-04-19 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Yes, viewing women as sexual objects for one's own personal pleasure is a form of misogyny. This definition applies to the likes of Casanova,Don Juan et al, and to a cigar wielding, serial groping, blue dress staining ex-President as well. Where's the outrage?

by amadon 2008-04-19 09:03AM | 0 recs
Misogyny?

Uhh, I don't think so.  It wasn't a great article at all.  I don't know what the point was.  But I also don't think it was misogyny.  That would be a stretch.  

by froggyman 2008-04-19 09:04AM | 0 recs
Finally!

Someone has the balls to question the serious hatred some men have against a woman THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW.  I mean, come on, boys----What's Hillary Clinton done to you personally that deserves such gut-wrenching hatred?  According to this diary---it's not what she's done, but what she HASN'T done.  It's pathologically sick that there are people in this world that feel they have to destroy what they can't own.

by izarradar 2008-04-19 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Finally!

A little dramatic, non?

by interestedbystander 2008-04-19 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Finally!

I don't like her because I think she's a triangulating, cynical, Republican-lite politician. But hey, feel free to ascribe this to my raging misogyny.

by amiches 2008-04-19 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Oh, for Pete's sake. This site is 100 times worse than anything you can say about DK. Over there I read intelligent commentary quite often and diaries on a lot of different political topics unrelated to this primary. It's where I go for intelligent conversation. Here, I come for the trainwreck aspect. It's the wild west. Anything goes.

by Becky G 2008-04-19 09:23AM | 0 recs
Media/blogs

I can pull up misogyny, hatred writings almost everywhere against Hillary Clinton.

This reminds me of 1968 and 1972.  While they blast for some agenda which economically Obama doesn't actually have in policy positions, they are busy tearing the Democratic party apart.

I frankly am outright embarrassed by the treatment of Hillary Clinton by these people.

I had no candidate in the race because no one was enough of a Populist/Progressive to get me enthusiastic.

That said, watching this utter hatred towards Hillary and the Obamamaniacs attack machine, the obvious media bias they have....it's made me
be Pro Hillary, something I never thought I would be.

These people are pushing out so many Democrats from the party I feel they are the ones guaranteeing a McCain win.

They are such a hateful bunch, the misogyny is disgusting and I think a McCain win is their fault.  It's not Hillary's fault although they will surely try to blame her for that too.

by Robert Oak 2008-04-19 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Media/blogs

Quit it...Since the beginning of the election all your posts and diaries always state the same thing....I'm not for either candidate but there is a sexist attitude toward Hillary....Same response alomost all of the time

by hootie4170 2008-04-19 10:24AM | 0 recs
because there is

and obviously I am not the only one seeing it.

Deal with that reality, many of us see it, daily and we do not approve.  Some of us really believe in equality for women and don't think misogynist slams are ok.

by Robert Oak 2008-04-19 11:28AM | 0 recs
Sad

Today there is a rec'd post labeling her a NeoCon

by activatedbybush 2008-04-19 09:40AM | 0 recs
Sad

Today there is a rec'd post labeling her a NeoCon

by activatedbybush 2008-04-19 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Sad

Wow.

Yesterday there were posts on here talking about how referencing a pop culture phenomenon made Barack Obama unqualified to be President, and several posts about how Barack Obama flipped Hillary off.

But I'm sure a diary where someone characterizes Hillary as a neo-con based on controversial policy decisions is deserving of way more selective outrage.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-04-19 11:50AM | 0 recs
Sad

Today there is a rec'd post labeling her a NeoCon

by activatedbybush 2008-04-19 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Oh who cares? I've seen a helluvalot more offensive material than that on bathroom walls.I wish women would quit being so shocked and offended by every little thing. Its almost, well.. embarrassing. I hope some of you don't have cable tv.

by april34fff 2008-04-19 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Umm... unless I'm missing something, that diary is neither on the front page or the rec list over at kos, so you can't exactly claim that the site is endorsing his comments. Just because someone is featured doesn't mean all their comments are representative of the site.

by Lost Thought 2008-04-19 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

oh i'm a woman by the way...

by april34fff 2008-04-19 09:46AM | 0 recs
so?

being a woman doesn't mean you can't be sexist against women.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 10:56AM | 0 recs
Teresa

you really need to get a life and stop bitchin and complaining and using sexism as some kind of free pass to level against anything you don't like, see, and hear.

This is a free country and you have free will. If something bothers you-

Turn the channel.
Turn the page.
Turn the station. You see how easy it is. That way you won't need to bitch anymore.

by april34fff 2008-04-19 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: so?

Teresa frankly, you're such a woeful example of womanhood, you give sexism a good name.

by interestedbystander 2008-04-19 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Could you please save the DailyKos outrage for NoQuarter or HIllaryis44?  I don't blog there much for a variety of reasons and see no reason why DailyKos controversy should be cluttering up the MyDD diary list, it's bad enough as it is.  Post it at DailyKos why don't you?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-04-19 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

I'm in two minds about this. Dhonig makes a good point that referencing Hillary's attractiveness is objectification - not quite misogyny but on the way.

BUT, BUT, BUT

This invocation of sexism is only legitimate if it's consistent. If it's just in support of Hillary - then people are degrading a higher purpose for partisan point-scoring. If you misuse sexism this way - just as if you misuse racism - then you're actually undermining the values you claim to hold.

I will only believe anti sexism is consistent and legitimate if it applies in hard cases. Time and time again I've seen Male Hillary supporters (or perhaps they're trolls) use some of the most egregious disgusting sexual remarks about Michelle Obama. I've appealed to the feminists on this site to troll and downrate these remarks.

I have rarely seen anything done.

Real feminists would have no problem with trolling sexist Michelle Obama remarks. Partisans who misuse the women's movement for one candidate are doing their movement no good at all. No wonder younger women support Obama in droves. They can tell hypocrisy - from whatever corner - when they see it

by brit 2008-04-19 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

People swoon over Edwards and Kleeb and I wasn't sure if Obama was going to get out of The View alive.  Over on Politico there's a picture of Gore in '92 and the comments section is all about his looks then. Politicians are basically celebrities and are susceptible to all the silly talk and projection that celebrities in other lines of work are.  I don't know about all of you, but I exist in the media-driven often superficial USA, circa 2008, and talk about the looks of public figures neither surprises nor outrages me.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

You're too right. This is an unspoken contradiction. The diarist takes exception at a Kos diarist referencing Hillary's attractability. One of the bizarre side effects of the Tuzla tale was that all those old videos made me realise how attractive Hillary was, in a waspy librarian style way. I thought it actually HELPED her in some strange way. And am I a misogynist for noticing that?

And when Dhonig says about DiMinHi (or however you spell his handle) that Hillary wouldn't have fucked him anyway - where does that lead us?

I work in media and TV drama, and I can tell you that's pretty much dominated by women, and they talk about the attractiveness of their male writers all the time. In fact, most women I know spend a lot of their time talking about the looks of both men and women.

When it comes to objectification, and self objectification, it seems to me that women lead the way.

And has anyone criticised Grendelwasmisunderstood for just posting an unflattering picture of Michelle. No. This reeks of double standards. And of a generation gap. Because the non Hillary generation have learned to live with the fact that men and women have bodies which men and women, in different degrees and with different preferences, find attractive or not.

Hopefully we'll get over this when the pioneer/baby boomer generation are taking their pensions

by brit 2008-04-19 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

"Because the non Hillary generation have learned to live with the fact that men and women have bodies which men and women, in different degrees and with different preferences, find attractive or not."

Well said.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager
Yup. That's where we are at in this country. Scott Kleeb is a handsome guy, right? Having read just about everything he's written - and he's really a very smart person as well - I'd say a beefcake shot or two would not harm his fundraising efforts in the US. People in Nebraska may consider it beneath a man to promote his physical attributes, however, but that is hardly the sentiment regarding women. Which brings us back to the original post. Keep it at Dkos. I've seen so many examples of real misogyny towards Hillary, though, it's really disturbing there is so much resistance to acknowledging it anywhere. It mirrors the violence, intimidation and multiple forms of abuse I see among far too many young and middle aged and older men I treat in my practice. I wish the problem was restricted to men having consensual sex with women other than their wives. But it's not.
by Jeter 2008-04-19 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Well, I can't stand her... but it's her and not her gender that I have an issue with. I can honestly say that if there was some Freaky Friday incident, and it was the black guy who had her record, and it was the white woman who had his, I'd be voting for the white woman. While I'm very excited about the groundbreaking aspect of both candidacies, I'm disappointed that the first woman with a shot at the Presidency had to support Bush's war and has run such a shoddy, reckless campaign.  

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: What drivel.

These weird ruminations were put out there for public consumption?   What a waste.  I rarely read that site anymore, and I can see that I'm not missing anything.  

by half nelson 2008-04-19 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: What drivel.

Yes. Instead enjoy the deep ruminations on MYDD - about how Obama flicked the finger at Hillary. The profundity is sometimes awe inspiring.

by brit 2008-04-19 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

What kills me is the list that follows of other prominent women in Democratic politics that follows & deciding that they weren't much competition.  

It reads like a desperate, last-resort power game - you might be powerful and have had a brilliant career, but the trump card the man plays is, despite all that, the real issue in question is - which one of you is hot enough?  That's the real competition for women, and only one of you can be kinda sorta hot enough, in his judgment.  That's what I read here.

WTF.  No wonder I have no idea where he's coming from.. If yr into Sonic Youth listen to Kim Gordon's lyrics sometime!  I mean, are you going to liberate us girls from male, white, corporate oppression?  </snark>

by daria g 2008-04-19 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

DHinMI seems to have some ... issues, which is why I automatically discount anything written by that individual.  The article cited is definitely distasteful.  

by rfahey22 2008-04-19 10:08AM | 0 recs
Wow

"DHinMI, I sure am sorry you don't find the 60 year old Hillary as hot as the 44 year old Hillary, but I've got new for you buddy, she was never going to fuck you anyway."

Doesn't reducing Hillary to someone who "wouldn't fuck" this particular blogger kind of undercut the entire premise of this...uh..."diary"?

I mean, she is still married. You seem to be suggesting the possibility that she fools around with bloggers that are not critical of her.

Might want to do a little editing...

by edmandspath 2008-04-19 10:13AM | 0 recs
I'm recommending this diary so everyone can see

how neck deep in trivial shit we are. Can we talk about McCain now?

by grasshopper 2008-04-19 10:19AM | 0 recs
Actually, you'll be surprise that I agree with you

I think the DKos diarist in question crossed the line on this one and I've commented as such in his diary.

by Travis Stark 2008-04-19 10:38AM | 0 recs
spitting in the wind

unfortunately it is like spitting in the wind to complain about sexism at dkos.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-19 10:52AM | 0 recs
No. It is not.

I frequent both sites. While I have seen little but a token effort here to deal with rogue elements, I note that within an hour of my comment the diary we're talking about was removed from the front page of DKos. I'm in no way saying that's related to my comment there, but it did happen. Meanwhile we had a diary up here all day yesterday which persisted in the lie that Obama had flipped off Sen. Clinton even after it was proven to be not true, and today the dishonesty of the claim is reiterated on the MyDD front page. Maybe it's a matter of resources to review diaries. Maybe it's a matter of their being more people here willing to rec a lie. I don't know, but I find that bad behavior on DKos is policed out by the community and moderators, while here it is, for the most part, allowed to stand.

by Travis Stark 2008-04-19 02:13PM | 0 recs
Hillary a Strong Woman

When Bill was in trouble back in 1992, Hillary saved his hide in that famous 60 Minutes Super Bowl debate. She picked herself up after the Monica Lewinsky affair. And she's right, Clintons don't give up easy. Finally, for a 60 year old woman, she has kept herself up well and is still quite attractive.

by Zzyzzy 2008-04-19 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Why don't you post a diary about it at Daily Kos? Oh wait. You're gutless. I forgot.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2008-04-19 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Gutless?!! I guess you didn't go to the diary in question, but just made a baseless assumption.  I confronted DHinMI at Daily Kos, IN HIS DIARY, where it belonged.  I also linked my own Hatewatch diary right there in his diary.  So, with all due respect, you can take your "gutless" comment back and save it for somewhere it actually fits.

by dhonig 2008-04-19 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

let me get this strait. So if somebody says Hillary's attractive they're sexist?

by Djo 2008-04-19 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

This is hardly the first time either.  After Hillary made her "Sen. Obama's speech in 2002" comment she was called a bitch in a diary and it had many rec's and no troll ratings.  A bitch!  In a "progressive" blog!  That was the last straw for me I will never go back to that cesspool which is Daily Kos.

by BlueDoggyDogg 2008-04-19 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

But you have no problem uprating Grendel's "funny" pic upthread, you hypocrite.

by Rumproast 2008-04-19 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Did Grendel call Michelle a bitch or a neocon, or a neocon bitch?  No?  Didn't think so.  If Grendel had, I would not have uprated.  I uprated because BHO looks like he's eating a sh*t sandwich in that pic, that's all.

by BlueDoggyDogg 2008-04-19 12:56PM | 0 recs
Umm

I avoided reading this for a while and..

yeah.. I should have just kept avoiding. =)

by bobbank 2008-04-19 11:49AM | 0 recs
Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

What trash, but why do people who admittedly are disgusted with the ways of the Kos, continue to sneak peeks at it.  Either you're done with it and you're moving on or you're still not "over" it.

by venavena 2008-04-19 12:03PM | 0 recs
Do you do Yoga?

Because that's quite a stretch.

by Jay R 2008-04-19 12:10PM | 0 recs
I'm not surprised at all

dkos has become an unreadable biased nasty site where nothing is considered over the top when it comes to Clinton hate.

Obamington Post (formerly the Huffpost) is just as bad.  What kind of liberals love this kind of bias?  Oh that's right...they are not liberals, they are "progressives".  They have progressed from open minded, big tent understanding, to close minded biased hate.  Obamington is now doing ALL NEGATIVES about Hillary in red, and it is clear to anyone with sense of fairness and dignity that the folks running it look for any and all negative pics of Hillary Clinton.

I read somewhere the biggest investor in Huffington is an Obama guy.  I also remember the years when Arianna was a die hard right winger.  Marcos has admitted he was a Reagan lover.  

So what does this tell me?  The honest liberals, the kind that truly believe there is no such thing as absolutism; the ones who understand the tyranny from the left is every bit as horrid and awful as tyranny from the right (think Hitler vs Stalin) are stunned at the so called activist left.
Like Hillary I am not thrilled with the "our way or the highway" mentality of the left wing blogs.
Like the right they are framing the world simplistically.  Jane Hamsher trashes Hillary for her remarks on Afghanistan.  The bottom line is Afghanistan was a breeding ground for horrid folks, and HELLO, we the silent citizenry of the 80s are responsible.  It's not only the place where training for extremists happened, it was the place where women, mostly poor women, because the educated and the rich women mostly got out, were beaten, tortured and abused by the Taliban, a group able to grow and prosper thanks to our need to destroy the Soviets.
We did it...then we abandoned them.  
Absolutists think ALL intervention anywhere is wrong....humanitarians understand that choices are not easy.  I believe in non violence. But I understand as a human being if I see a weak, defenseless person (child, woman, old person) being attacked, I may have to use physical force to stop it. Sometimes there are no absolutes.  

But the so called left wing activists have become just like the right.  Evil (Hillary) vs Good (Obama).  Paternalism is rearing it's ugly head on the left wing....Obama has become the male messiah to lead us.  Just like the right.

Hillary has made mistakes.  So has Obama but the dkos and Obamington have become the refuge of hate mongers.  
For the record I will vote for whomever the nominee is but I have no desire to work with the left wing who works on the same level as the right wing...using the media to boost their negative spin.
They are going nuts over what ABC did to Obama...and yet they cheered on the same behavior from NBC and MSNBC toward Hillary.  Is that liberal, progressive thinking now??  It's only wrong when my candidate is the target?  When Matthews, Shuster and others trash Hillary it's acceptable....and they cry "get tough".  When Obama is trashed they just cry.

No, that diary is no surprise.  But I guarantee you somehow Hillary Clinton will be blamed for it.

by Jjc2008 2008-04-19 12:36PM | 0 recs
hideous diary, not necesssarily representative

that is a HIDEOUS example of the sexist bullshit that even progressive men think is OK. absolutely disgusting.

and if it got good reviews that is even more of indictment of the sexism at Kos.

however, i'm a regular there, i support Obama, i'm a man, and i think it is absolutely disgusting. so while i agree that any support of such sexist bullshit is abhorrent, i also have to add that it is not accepted by all Kosiacs by any means.
i think i'll go look it up and hand out some donuts...

by catchaz 2008-04-19 12:36PM | 0 recs
Re: hideous diary, not necesssarily representative

Excellent comment, catchez.

DHinMI is not nor does he reflect the views of Barack Obama.

It is important for Obama supporters to call out Daily Kos supporters, even front pagers, who embarasss Barack Obama.

Sexism, like racism, has no place in America, let alone in the Democratic Party.

by TomP 2008-04-19 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

I guess if the Bots here have no problem with Hillary being called a variety of sexist names on Kos, they wouldn't mind if I called Barack a "house negro" would they?

by zcflint05 2008-04-19 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Hey, if you feel the need to use that term, I think this is a fine place to let your mask slip.

by mikeinsf 2008-04-19 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

No, the correct answer is, I would never use that term because I would never justify racism, unlike some Obama supporters, who think sexism is apparently a "joke" and a "laughing matter", like multiple posts above. If you can insinuate that we're all racists, then can't we insinuate that you're all sexists?

by zcflint05 2008-04-19 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Thanks for saying it. The hypocrisy among Obama supporters is breathtaking. Their virulent hatred of Hillary Clinton has driven them to say anything, do anything. It's actually frightening to watch; and it has been the source of some heartbreak for me. To suddenly realize that "progressives" have morphed into "wingnuts" complete with mob mentality, group-think, and jack-booted authoritarian thugs, has been a lesson.

They represent Barack Obama to me. That's why I won't cast a vote for him.

by Tennessean 2008-04-20 04:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Why does this matter?  Unless the author is part of the MSM, s/he's just another blogger with an opinion.  Are we really policing all the ridiculous garbage on the net?  Because, if so, I think we need to ask the mayor for more funds and nicer uniforms.

by freedom78 2008-04-19 01:29PM | 0 recs
one Kosiacs response

(from DailyKos)

i cannot believe anyone would write such a jack ass jack off jerk off masturbatory diary, and the mods would leave it up.

a BIG GIANT FUCK YOU TO THE DIAREST  who wrote this filth, and an equally BIG FUCK YOU to everyone who read it and didn't complain about it.

and we wonder why people think progressive men are hypocritical assholes.

i am an Obama supporter. i can't stand Hillary Clinton. and i have never read a more disgusting piece of shit on a progressive site. oh, damn, DHinMi doesn't want to fcuk Hillary Clinton anymore. i got an idea, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU SORRY SEXIST PIECE OF SHIT.

THIS HURTS THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, STUPID ASS!

by catchaz 2008-04-19 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: one Kosiacs response

Good. Could you imagine a parallel response on MyDD?

by amiches 2008-04-19 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Clearly the dkos Diary incriminated is at best completely silly and at worst misogynic. It's necessary to blame that kind of behaviour.

But deducing from this that everybody is misogynic
at Daily Kos is equally silly.

That kind of stupid generalization is the basis for both racism and misogyny.

The line of thinking seems to be that if you prefer Barack over Hillary you must be misogynic. By symmetry, if you prefer Hillary, you must be racist?

Can H and B supporters discuss real issues here for a change?

Thanks in advance!

by french imp 2008-04-19 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Learn how to read. Seriously. Then just delete this.

by Elise 2008-04-19 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Good one, dhonig.

That jerk has always been a wanker.

The fact that comments are in agreement with him are disappointing, but not all that surprising.  Kos and Huffpost went though the looking glass months ago.

by bellarose 2008-04-19 05:46PM | 0 recs
Yikes.

As the saying goes: democrats eat their own.

by Newcomer 2008-04-19 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

This was a bad diary (the kos one) and the whole milf thing is in bad taste, unnecessary and makes me as an obama supporter uncomfortable. Misogyny is bad, in all forms.  Women should be respected for their abilities and intellect, and not looked on as mere sex objects, whether they are the spouses of Presidential candidates, or young interns trying to advance their careers.

by yhf1979 2008-04-19 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager
As a strong Obama supporter, I think this diary is spot on.
I visit Daily Kos pretty much everyday, and I have to say DHinMI is an astoundingly arrogant, ignorant prick.
How he got FP positioning is beyond me. The way he addresses fellow Kossacks who disagree with him is disrespectful, hostile & moronic.
by astronautagogo 2008-04-19 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

If he was just a prick, he'd be bad enough. But he's an openly dishonest liar, and it reflects on Kos's integrity that he wasn't fired long ago.

by cassius chaerea 2008-04-20 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager
whatev, i've read some pretty questionable things on the FP here from time to time.
Kos is just fine...like Jerome, they aren't perfect.
I'm gladly getting behind whomever the Dem nominee is....can you say the same?
by astronautagogo 2008-04-22 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

DHinMI is an idiot. I stopped reading his pieces a long time. He's got zero political analysis ability just like his friend Kos. That blog has gone from bad to worse to unreadable to just idiotic. This is the honest opinion of a supporter of Senator Obama who says so.

by likelihood zero 2008-04-19 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

classy. super classy..../snaarkkkk..

by amde 2008-04-19 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Do you even know what misogyny is? It was a diary in poor taste. But the excerpts you posted didnt indicate any hatred of women.

by Pravin 2008-04-19 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Yes I do, and we clearly own different dictionaries.  As far as I'm concerned, when you judge a woman on her fuckability, and hate her when you find her less fuckable, when you objectify a woman as DHinMI did, when you treat as if she were nothing more than a vagina, no head, no heart, no thoughts, no value beyond genital, then yes, you are a misogynist.

by dhonig 2008-04-20 04:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

Ehh, if you bothered to read the diary again, he clearly im0plies he thought she was a MILF not because of  her looks alone, but because of what she represented in terms of ideas. She was obviously  not some hot chick even in 1992.

So he was looking past her looks alone. He even makes it a point to say he didnt care for Tipper back then because of the PMRC. Tipper may have been a little big boned, but most shallow guys probably would have slept with Tipper over Hillary if you went by tits and ass alone(just to descend to that level of crudeness to make a point here).

by Pravin 2008-04-20 11:08AM | 0 recs
I have a question?

I have seen where people have made comments about the relative attractiveness of Edwards and Obama, and that is considered a positive quality. In fact, men can use their sexuality to their benefit and it is generally accepted.

Why can't a woman? If you point out a woman is attractive you are sexist. If you call a woman a lady you are taking away here sexuality and therefore her power (as explained to me by my very feminist english professor).

One reason you lose men in these arguments is that their is no way for us to be acceptable (all sex is rape).

How's that for stirring the pot? But seriously, as a man, their seems to be no correct answer.

by IowaMike 2008-04-19 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I have a question?

BTW,

yeah the diary that you write about is stupid. But instead of just name calling, I am actually trying to ask a serious question.

by IowaMike 2008-04-19 10:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's your answer....

If you have to ask, then you're a sexist. Get it? Your comment and your "question" is particularly insulting, because you think you're being clever, when you're just being a lout, and a too-clever-by-half lout at that.

When you say a woman is attractive, do you say:

I was at a political rally years ago, watching a guy feeling up his girlfriend, and it reminded me that I once thought you were hot, but I don't think so anymore, because now you're an old bitch. What happened to you?

That's what Dhonig said. It's offensive. It's particularly offensive because it was meant to objectify, belittle, demean, and dismiss Hillary Clinton as anything other than an object of his own sexual fantasies.

That's not a way to say a woman is attractive, except for sick men who don't know anything except their own malignant narcissistic self-aggrandizement. It's disgusting. It's pathetic. And, it's sexist.

Women are dying for their country in Iraq right now. They are serving in combat, they are flying commercial airliners with passengers across the country, they are flying troops across the country, they are representing our country in Congress and the Senate, they are running for President.

For this sick man to try to reduce Hillary Clinton to a sexual object under the guise of self-masturbatory linguistic trickery--transparent and overly revealing--is both pathological and insulting in the extreme.

Do you get it now? Or are you indistinguishable from that sick fuck?

by Tennessean 2008-04-20 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Here's your answer....

I said he was stupid, and an idiot.

But I do hear contradictory messages about if you every think a woman is sexy. What is sexy we can't help.

by IowaMike 2008-04-20 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Here's your answer....

BTW, I was trying to start a serious discussion about where the line is,or if their is a line. Campaign and web site bashing is getting a little old. Was trying to start an actual issue debate. Hard here because no one ever responds to them.

by IowaMike 2008-04-20 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Misogyny from a Daily Kos front-pager

You have a problem with a certain diary at a whole other site...
But instead of making a comment reflecting
your opposition to it there,your complaint is here?
WTF? Or...
is it because you are NOT boycotting reading at the Great Orange Bunny just commenting there?

by the way Hillary WAS attractive back in the early 90's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK 4U

by nogo war 2008-04-20 04:11AM | 0 recs
Is hits bad?

Jusy read an article about Chelsea touring gay bars with Gov. Rendell.  One woman claimed:

"I grabbed her ass," one young woman exclaimed to her friends after snapping a picture with her arm around the former first daughter.

Is she, too, a misogynist?

by igottheblues 2008-04-20 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Is hits bad?

Oops, nice typo in subject line: hits=this

by igottheblues 2008-04-20 08:04AM | 0 recs

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