Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Very short Diary. Obama moves on.  I think that we should too.

"I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make and I think that is what happened here. Senator Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it and I will take her at her word on that," Obama told Radio Isla Puerto Rico.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080524/ap_o n_el_pr/clinton_remark_2

Tags: assasination, clinton, obama (all tags)

Comments

145 Comments

Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

It's obvious what she meant. Thankfully, Obama has enough classto not hang it around her neck, like, say, 'bitter' was hung around his.

by mikeinsf 2008-05-24 12:00PM | 0 recs
"thankfully Obama has enough class"

Exactly - Obama has what we have not had in a President since Ike & JFK - class.

I know I wouldn't be that classy if someone were planting the idea of killing me in the mind of every nutcase in the Columbine Nation.

But that kind of class and dignity are what we need so badly in our next president. We've had a succession of national embarrassments:

LBJ - crass backroom dealer
Nixon - shifty crook
Ford - epic buffoon
Carter - sappy peanut farmer (he's better lately)
Reagan - moron
Bush I - idiot - chokes on broccoli - doesn't know how to buy groceries in the supermarket
Clinton - cad and philanderer
Bush II - there are no words
Obama - makes me proud to be an American

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, god damnit.

by obsessed 2008-05-24 12:14PM | 0 recs
Stupid comment...

You have no idea what type of president Obama would be, or what may occur.

by citizen53 2008-05-24 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Stupid comment...

And you do?

He's been far more generous to Clinton in wake of her "gaffe" than Clinton has ever been with Obama.

Granted one could argue that Obama can afford to be gracious, but the fact that he is taking the high road still speaks well of him.

by DawnG 2008-05-24 03:09PM | 0 recs
Bottom line is that the comment...

is ridiculous on its face.  Let's at least be real.

Obama could turn out to be no better than a number of recent presidents, not a saint as the comment concludes.

The track record of Americans in choosing leaders, assisted by the media, leaves a lot to be desired.

by citizen53 2008-05-24 03:49PM | 0 recs
Citizen Strawman

You're incorrectly ascribing a position to me and then attacking me for it - a typical GOP technique.

Obama doesn't have to be President in order to demonstrate that he has class or to make me proud to be an American. I made no predictions in my post. My evaluations of each politician were based on the sum total of what they've done before, during and after holding the presidency.

by obsessed 2008-05-27 06:46PM | 0 recs
To have such a negative historical

view, don't you think you might, just might find that you become disappointed in what you have built up Obama to be?  Really, not one nice thing to say about any former Dem president?  ugh.

by linc 2008-05-24 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: To have such a negative historical

Double ugh.

Bill Clinton now reduced to nothing more than "philanderer and cad"? Talk about revisionist history.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-24 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: "thankfully Obama has enough class"

Lyndon Johnson may have been, in your words, a crass backroom dealer, but that is exactly what it took to get some of the most important legislatino in American history passed.  

by mady 2008-05-24 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: "thankfully Obama has enough class"

Thanks for defending LBJ's memory. He deserves it.

Hopefully nobody will call you a race-baiter for pointing out that it took LBJ's skill to get civil rights legislation through Congress.

by OrangeFur 2008-05-24 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: "thankfully Obama has enough class"

Notice that you can praise LBJ without diminishing MLK's importance as an inspirational leader.  Amazing.

by niksder 2008-05-24 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: "thankfully Obama has enough class"

clinton did no such thing.  This is a typical bs smear used by Obama supporters to denigrate her, and is one reason so many democrats say they will not vote for him in the fall.

by slynch 2008-05-24 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: "thankfully Obama has enough class"

TR'd for trashing good Democrats.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-24 04:15PM | 0 recs
That is why he will be our President

We need a President with class and honor...not another liar and schemer like Bush.

by netgui68 2008-05-24 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

> like, say, 'bitter' was hung around his.

Saying this kind of ruins it.  Let's just stop at having enough class not to hang it around her neck.

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-24 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

If Obama had said the above, I'd agree with you.   But Obama didn't.  

It is fair to point out the difference in how each candidate reacted a gaffe from the other.  We are merely spectators and observers, and the observation is valid.

by Virginia Liberal 2008-05-24 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

We're on the same side, man...  But bashing people for making minor slip-ups when they're tired is pretty low.

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-24 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Agreed.  I just wish your fellow Clinton supporters had thought that last month.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-24 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Click the link! ;)

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-24 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Well, let's not get CRAZY now!

Let's make some history...

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-24 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

each of Hillary's "tired slipups" has turned out to be something that she has said more than once.

does she have some form of "fatigue tourettes" where every time she gets too tired she starts making offensive remarks?

by 2501 2008-05-24 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Heh, "fatigue Tourette's."  Even if she's made this gaffe several times, I don't (want to) think she's made it maliciously.

She has done plenty of loathsome things.  There's no reason to make up others.

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-24 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

You are a troll. Go away. We can work this out ourselves.

by Jeter 2008-05-24 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

because I point out the fact that her  "fatigue" excuse is BS, that makes me a troll?

just like she tried to explain her Bosnia lies as "fatigue" but then it turned out she'd been telling the false story for a month?

Honestly, I am done with being angry at Hillary, just as I am done with being angry at Bush. What frustrates me these days are the people who just absolutely refuse to accept when someone they supported and trusted turns out to be lying to them over and over and over.

by 2501 2008-05-24 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Okay, you're just being very spiteful and unhelpful and dumping your personal crap on a thread. Call yourself what you like, just stop posting in this thread. We're having a positive dialogue here.

by Jeter 2008-05-24 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

They were having a positive dialogue until you came into it. The only person being "very spiteful and unhelpful and dumping your personal crap on a thread" was you.

by Mystylplx 2008-05-24 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Uprated. This remark shouldn't be hidden given the context and remarks that precede it

by duende 2008-05-25 04:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

I'm not bashing her for the slip-up. Nor has Obama.

by mikeinsf 2008-05-24 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

It's too bad Senator Clinton has none of Senator Obama's class or the ability to put herself in another person's shoes. Thank GOD she is not going to be our nominee.

When Obama made a gaffe, she made a campaign ad out of it in PA and called him an "elitist" for a week straight. She's lucky Obama is a bigger person than that.

by Deano963 2008-05-24 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

A little respect goes a long way.  Obama chooses not to foster further divide.  Time to let it go,

by Destiny 2008-05-24 12:00PM | 0 recs
My first recommended diary

Thank You

by Destiny 2008-05-24 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

A winning strategy considering the Hillary campaign has consistently shown that she shoots herself in the foot often, without provocation.

by Deadalus 2008-05-24 12:02PM | 0 recs
Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

over this statement and will watch in amazement in their responses.

by notme54 2008-05-24 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

This, although I give kudos to the man for handling the issue with class.

by ragekage 2008-05-24 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

There will be no outrage from me and i hope this is a important first step of good will between the campaigns.

david

by giusd 2008-05-24 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

Well, huzzah to you, sir, you have my kudos as well.

by ragekage 2008-05-24 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

There's really nothing there on which to hang the outrage, so I'm betting on "OMG angry Obamabots" response...

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-24 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

Is there anything she might say that could provoke your outrage or at least get you to agree she could apologize?  If the answer's no, that's cool, really.  Just means you're ready to justify, dismiss anything.

by niksder 2008-05-24 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

He's on your side - the sig is snark.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-25 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

Or perhaps camouflage... ;)

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-25 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

the obvious subtext of sexism and deceit in his comments, which evades you and I, will soon be made clear...

by PositiveFreedom 2008-05-24 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

LOL.  I'm sure a blogger we know is composing the analysis as we speak.

by lollydee 2008-05-24 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

"a blogger we know"

yes indeed, and then it will be rec'd to high heaven...

by terra 2008-05-24 01:12PM | 0 recs
That's okay

It's always good to have laughter in one's life, right?

by lollydee 2008-05-24 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

How's this?...  

How dare Obama reopen this issue after everyone had already moved on!!!

by map 2008-05-24 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

How dare he???  How dare you. He was asked and is telling us in a Presidetial way to move on. Rather than fan the flames.

by johnny sexton 2008-05-24 12:10PM | 0 recs
Higher Ethics

I used to require the candidates to be smarter than me to gain my suport. Now, in addition, they must have higher ethics than myself. Obama is the only candidate to qualify on both counts. The old politics says ethics doesn't matter, do anything to win.

by ImpeachBushCheney 2008-05-24 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Higher Ethics

this "old politics" bit is stupid.  Obama's political career to date, as well as his  campaign has been nothing but 'old politics.'  There is no such thing as 'new politics.'  Just out of curiosity--seriously--how many elections have you voted in?

by slynch 2008-05-24 08:03PM | 0 recs
"old politics"

Could it be that Obama is playing old politics a new way

by Destiny 2008-05-25 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

I was being snarky.

by map 2008-05-24 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

some people can't tell... :shrug:

I appreciated the humor.

by JDF 2008-05-24 03:25PM | 0 recs
lol

by notme54 2008-05-24 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Awaitng outrage from Clinton supporters

I'm sure it'll be "Condescending sexist!!"

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-24 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Another class Presidential statement, by someone who seems more Presidential as time goes on.

by johnny sexton 2008-05-24 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Straight class, Barack.  Straight class.

Bravo.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-24 12:15PM | 0 recs
Very Presidential
Time to move on.
I really don't think the media will let it go though.
by parahammer 2008-05-24 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

of course he will be nice, because the fight is pretty much over.

by American1989 2008-05-24 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

It's not enough from Obama.  He must reject and renounce the universe's interpretation of Clinton's assassination comments

by reggie23 2008-05-24 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

http://rejectanddenounce.org/

by nwodtuhs 2008-05-24 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

close, but no cigar. Her words were about the race going on, and not being pushed to close it early. What does he have to say about that?  (someone ask him?)  

by anna shane 2008-05-24 12:31PM | 0 recs
Right.

Of course.

That's exactly what the media is interpreting it as and will of course be what they ask him. Of course.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-24 12:33PM | 0 recs
Awesome

by Bee 2008-05-24 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

He has said that She should keep campaigning if she wants to. I don't see an issue here.

by parahammer 2008-05-24 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Here, Anna, hopefully this will help you cheer up.


by ragekage 2008-05-24 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Stop.  Very distrubing visional post.  It is sat and those two together makes my eyes hurt.

david

by giusd 2008-05-24 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Stay classy Anna.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-24 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

apparently that won't be happening today...

by JDF 2008-05-24 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks
I can't find any record of Obama on this recently (he said in March that Clinton should stay in as long as she wants), but here's a video of Clinton saying the race will be over by February 5th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0h sQ
by really not a troll 2008-05-24 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

He's pretending it's not over so that he doesn't provoke another round of "Poor poor pitiful me" from Clinton and her dead-enders.

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-24 12:59PM | 0 recs
Uncalled for

Please we are all Democrats.  Can we have a thread free of accusations?

by Destiny 2008-05-24 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Uncalled for

I was merely addressing dear Anna's point, directly and honestly.

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-24 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

He has been effusive in his praise of Hillary and her campaign. I saw him yesterday in Sunrise, FL speaking to 16,000 and he included a laudatory nod to Hillary in his speech. He has not asked her to bow out.

by hankg 2008-05-24 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Yes, moving on is good.  We've got an election to win in November.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-05-24 12:36PM | 0 recs
no dice

To further quote the analysis:

Certainly that's the way Obama's campaign initially appeared to interpret her remark to a South Dakota newspaper, the Argus Leader in Sioux Falls.

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement Friday.

You can't "take her at her word on that" while your press secretary is fanning the flames. Obama tried to make political hay out of RFK's assassination with a widely distributed press release, now he wants the issue to go away. He is running the most vicious Democratic presidential primary I have observed.

by souvarine 2008-05-24 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

I love this. Clinton repeatedly references RFK's death, and when Obama's press secretary objects, suddenly he's the one who's making hay out of a tragedy.

by PantherDem 2008-05-24 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Don't be sick, she was referring to the 1968 primary going on in June.

by souvarine 2008-05-24 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Actually she said bill won the primary in mid june when in fact he had it wrapped up several months earlier.

by parahammer 2008-05-24 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Funny how she used the word "assassinated", then, especially since the the nomination was not settled at that point, nor was it after that.

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-24 12:57PM | 0 recs
*LOUD GONG*

Oh, I'm sorry. The judges say that answer is incorrect, but we have a lovely top of the line toaster oven waiting for you backstage.

by lollydee 2008-05-24 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

she used the word "assassination". that refers to death.

by 2501 2008-05-24 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

I love how the most mild press statement every, that the remarks were unfortunate, is now elevated to fanning the flames status.

Oh well, it makes a great test on who is reachable and who can be tossed aside.

by map 2008-05-24 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Yeah, esp when within hours Axelrod was defending Clinton on national TV, and now Obama refuses to play gotcha with this too.

If you think THIS is making hay, please remind yourself how other gaffes have been treated in this campaign, particularly when Obama's made them.

by Matt Smith 2008-05-24 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Real Democrats attack Obama!!

Real Democrats defend Clinton!!!

Real Democrats vote Mc....

oh wait... sorry I was on the propoganda bus for a moment, I am over it though...

How about this:

Real Democrats admit that his campaign has handled with this class and look forward to winning in November!

There, thats much better.

by JDF 2008-05-24 03:30PM | 0 recs
oh please

I blame Obama's hypnopowers in making Sen. Clinton say those words!

by notme54 2008-05-24 12:58PM | 0 recs
Dude, McCain is toast.

Just imagine what Obama will do with those hypnopowers during the General election.

Gotta go... I just got done watching Obama on Youtube and now I'm feeling a strange compulsion to donate money and phone bank.  ;)

by protothad 2008-05-24 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

No one is arguing about what she actually meant. Sometimes people say something that means one thing to them but can be interpretated/misinterpretated differently. This was one of the comments. It was a mistake because of the connotation whether Clinton meant it or not. As such it was unfortunate and has no place in the campaign. Hence her apology. Hence Obama rightly pointing out that he knows that isn't how she meant it and that we should move on.

This is my absolute last post on "assassination"-gate. I'm going to do exactly what Obama has asked and move on.

People please join me. No more diaries. No more comments. Let's focus on the John McCain. Any recced diaries here about pastor-gate? His wife's tax returns? His "house-cleaning?"

by batgirl71 2008-05-24 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Sorry, no, after the race charges and then promoting that NY Post piece to all the network shows Barack Obama has lost any benefit of the doubt. Words cannot express the disdain I feel for a man who would twist an opponent's words and exploit the assassination of RFK. He has done nothing to explain or even distance himself from his campaign's actions in this episode.

by souvarine 2008-05-24 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Photobucket

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-24 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

It was my understanding that Drudge promoted the NY Post piece.  Please provide a link shows that it was Obama's campaign that did so.

by Destiny 2008-05-24 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

The very AP analysis you link to mentions it. But the full scoop is here:

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," wrote Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton in a missive to reporters.

Burton's e-mail included a link to a New York Post story which noted that Obama, who received a Secret Service detail early in the campaign, has been the subject of threats.

The Obama campaign's decision to target Clinton's RFK reference forced the former first lady to express regret for her remarks.

It also ensured that the dust-up would be covered on all three network newscasts.


by souvarine 2008-05-24 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

JEEZ!! Can you provide some warning before you drop incendiary language like "unfortunate" into a post?  Think of the children!

by map 2008-05-24 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no
Besides the fact the statement was mild, is it possible that like with most people their first reaction was to be shocked, all the more since they are sensitive to this kind of talk because they worry for Barack but after an hour they had time to examine the context and decided they did not want to fan the flames as it does not seem she meanst what she said ?
I mean they have been consistent at defending her ever since that first statement which was their immediate reaction
by Benjaminomeara 2008-05-24 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

Their first reaction was not shock, it was to do as much damage as they could by widely emailing the NY Post piece to the press.

by souvarine 2008-05-24 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

First of all, that link wasn't an AP analysis like you claimed, it was an op-ed posted on a blog at ABC News.  Secondly, even it doesn't come close to supporting your hyperbole.  Knock it off.

by map 2008-05-24 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

What the diarist posted is an AP analysis. The quote I posted is from ABC News's the Note, which is not op-ed. The Note reported that Burton emailed the quoted statement and a link to the NY Post article to reporters, and observed that having the Obama spokesman promote this article ensured that it would be covered on the news programs.

You may characterize my take however you like, but I believe it is justified by the reported actions of the Obama campaign, and his history of using this divisive tactic.

by souvarine 2008-05-24 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

And Hillary's campaign has been the great Uniter right???

You have jumped the shark.

You are nutso

Gone...

That is my personal take on the situation.

by JDF 2008-05-24 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry no

Lost cause, that one.

by fogiv 2008-05-24 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Amazing. Truly amazing. You people trained yourself to this upside down view of the world?

Hillary references the hard-working voters, the white voters. after a long campaign where her surrogates have been speaking about Farrakhan, Wright, hip black friends, "shuck and jiving", MLK and Jesse Jackson comparison, and the political advantages of being black in politics -- while Obama speaks merely about the geographical nearness of Kentucky to Arkansas: and yet according to you people it's Obama who's the race baiter.

Hillary references a candidate's assasination in June as part of her reason to stay in the race -- and while the whole planet is looking at Hillary not able to believe its ears something so moronic came out of her mouth, the Obama campaign merely calls it "unfortunate" and Obama actually defends her -- and yet according to you people it's Obama that's to blame.

Sometimes along the way you people decided to kill any love for truth or honesty in your hearts, didn't you? Everything to be sacrificed on the goal of enthroning Clinton.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-24 01:24PM | 0 recs
in the magical land of Clintonia

Up is Down, Right is Left, being Black is an obvious advantage, and so on..  

by highgrade 2008-05-24 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

The Obama campaign responded to her inexcusable remarks which were in the NY Post and up on Drudge by saying they were unfortunate and then going on to defend her on all network appearances and that is to you swift-boating Hillary?

How does one get such a delusional worldview so divorced from reality and logic? Now if Obama had made a TV ad trashing Hillary over her gaffe and slammed her 24/7 like Hillary did with Barack's bitter gaffe then you might have a case based on what is happening in this world and not in some parallel universe that exists in your head.

by hankg 2008-05-24 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Why don't you just fuck off then I have lost all patience with you and your stupidity. Go and join the GOP. Vote for McNutter. Just leave and let the progressives amongst us get on with the job of electing a Democrat.

Please Fuck off.

by telfishbackagain 2008-05-24 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Go post on RedState ... we have an election to win in November.  Sorry, your dead weight.  Your comments have no place on a liberal and progressive blog.

by stryan 2008-05-24 03:35PM | 0 recs
You forgot the snark tag

Honestly... you can't really believe anyone is buying that line, so I prefer to believe this is an alaborate attempt at humor.

On the other hand, if you are just a freeper troll trying to create division... give it up.  Your attempt has failed miserably.

by protothad 2008-05-24 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Is this snark?

by Destiny 2008-05-24 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

sadly, no

by map 2008-05-24 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Burton made his statement almost immediately after the remarks broke.  It was his first response, and the campaign has not repeated it.  For that matter, we don't know what he was told or who approved his statement.

Since then - starting yesterday, the same day of Hill's remark and before the morning papers came out - the campaign has been entirely consistent.  Axelrod has said he believes Hillary, and now so has Obama.  

If Burton repeats his remarks, or any Obama surrogates do, you have an argument.  But for now, there's no there there.

by TL 2008-05-24 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

If Burton's statement and promotion of the NY Post article was in error or sent without approval then Barack Obama should distance himself from it. I appreciate Axelrod's response to Chris Matthews and attempt to shut down the story, but neither that nor Obama's quote here answers why the campaign promoted the story.

by souvarine 2008-05-24 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

I think he has distanced himself from it.

It's asking a lot to have the candidate smack down his chief spokesperson by name.  I obviously don't know why Burton sent out that statement; possibly he got emotional and overprotective; possibly he got a garbled account and fired off the statement too quickly - if you see only the answer and not the question, it's pretty easy to misinterpret; and, yes, it's even possible he thought he was being clever.

But whatever made Burton send out that statement, it's pretty clear that the principles got together and decided, right away, to shut this down.

by TL 2008-05-24 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Dang it.  "Principals," not "principles."  

Stupid English language.

by TL 2008-05-24 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

It's also pretty clear that he sent off as mild a rebuke as ever seen during this campaign.  Her words were "unfortunate".  Wow.  Stinging.  Incendiary.

by map 2008-05-24 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

Right on.  What a joke.

If Karl Rove or Mark Penn were running Obama's campaign you could with absolute certainty have expected a very different and coordinated effort to maximize the damage from Hillary's remarks. It wouldn't matter one bit what she meant, or how tired she was, or how the media spun, this would be used to amplify every negative talking point and that simply has not happened from Obama's campaign. From some supporters, sure, but that goes both ways.

I bet even the most diehard Hillary supporters for just a brief second had their hearts sink when they first, FIRST, read or heard of these remarks and quickly regrouped and shook it off after catching a glimpse of the abyss they have built.

by Iago 2008-05-24 04:45PM | 0 recs
You keep repeating this

If Burton's statement and promotion of the NY Post article
 

Where is the link that says that Obama's campaign promoted the NY Post?  I saw some opinion from a note writer that said because the campaign issues a statement that was promoting it.  The writer states their opinion that putting out a statement constitutes promotion.  That does not make it a fact.  It could just be what it is a rather mild response.  I didn't see anywhere in the article that the Obama campaign pushed the NY Post story.  Please provide the link.

by Destiny 2008-05-24 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: You keep repeating this
from the Note:
Burton's e-mail included a link to a New York Post story which noted that Obama, who received a Secret Service detail early in the campaign, has been the subject of threats.

by souvarine 2008-05-24 02:34PM | 0 recs
The Times seems to have the story

And it isn't as you hope

"The speed at which the remarks were transmitted and reacted to illustrated the new reality candidates are grappling with in this year's campaign, in which Mr. Obama's own remarks about "bitter" small-town voters ricocheted around the Internet.

Mrs. Clinton's remarks were initially reported online by The New York Post, whose reporters were not traveling with the Clinton campaign but were instead watching a live video feed of the meeting with newspaper editors. Its report quickly jumped to the Drudge Report, then whipped around the Internet and on television, with outraged comments piling up on Web sites."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/pol itics/24clinton.html?em&ex=121177440 0&en=2e57cbb17f9ecd14&ei=5087%0A

by wrb 2008-05-24 02:59PM | 0 recs
congrats

that just might be the stupidest pile of shit I've ever read on this blog. which is really saying something quite remarkable.

by rabidnation 2008-05-24 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: no dice

You see right through things. I wish I were so perceptive.

by Iago 2008-05-24 04:35PM | 0 recs
HR'd for complete and utter troll-ness...

Blaming Obama for HRC's idiocy is tantamount to Rovian tactics.

by Seeking Cincinnatus 2008-05-24 04:54PM | 0 recs
I am not Obama

He's definitely classy and presidential. That's why he can choose to let this go.

But if you're running for President and you're mentality is in such a dark place that you allude to the assassination of an opponent, then you are either too stupid, too cynical, or too unprepared to be a Senator, much less president.

I am not Obama. I'm not letting this go.

by Rationalisto 2008-05-24 12:52PM | 0 recs
Very gracious of Obama.

Waiting to see those who hate him shed a syllable of acknowledgment.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-24 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

I wish this had come yesterday around 5 o'clock so everyone would have stopped talking about it around here, but, yes, I'm so glad he did it.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-24 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

The only way people around here would have approved of his reaction is if his response had been "OMG! SHe is so right. SHe is sooo much better than me and I am just thankful to be breathing the same air."

Anything less from Obama or his campaign is incendiary and divisive- haven't you noticed?

by JDF 2008-05-24 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

I hope all Obama supporters will follow his gracious lead.  I'm very disturbed, as an Obama supporter, at how viciously some people routinely talk about Clinton.  

That polarizing partisanship is contrary to the change he's trying to make in politics.  He needs our support and participation to do it right.

by Matt Smith 2008-05-24 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

There are reasons why people don't like the Clintons, stop making it seem they are innocent people.

Pick up a book once in a while you might learn of the stuff they have done!

by obamaovermccain 2008-05-24 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

RedState is missing you.

by Justwords 2008-05-24 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Being cognizant of some of the negatives of the Clintons does not make a Republican.  I consider them a net positive, but while they've done more good than bad in my book, they've done a fair bit of bad.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-24 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Here's what Clinton would say, in a similar situation:

"I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Obama and I have been campaigning, sometimes he gets careless in terms of the statements that he makes and I think that is what happened here. Senator Obama says that she did not intend any offense by it and I will take him at his word on that. Senator Obama made an honest mistake... as far as I know."

by nwodtuhs 2008-05-24 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Ah crap.... I missed one. Too many pronouns in that sentence.

by nwodtuhs 2008-05-24 01:39PM | 0 recs
she also
would have tried to paint the misstatement as some sort of pattern by bringing up the "bitter" and "typical white people" comments.
 
by highgrade 2008-05-24 01:51PM | 0 recs
Face it - Obama did the right thing

When someone is shooting herself in the foot, step back and give her plenty of space.

Any pouncing on HRC would have not been politically expedient.

She made a huge mistake.  I am a HRC supporter, but facts are facts.  She said the wrong words.

Some are going to take it as  her hoping someone will kill Obama.  If I thought that of her, I could not have supported her from the start.

Those who think that probably never liked either Clinton.  They may be rightwingers, or just happy with the dish that was served the American public for years considering they are now supporting their candidate Obama.

We all knew from the start that Hillary came with baggage.

by Southern Mouth 2008-05-24 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama has class

We've been trying to tell you that for months.

Now, please commence attacking Obama again.

by xdem 2008-05-24 01:59PM | 0 recs
Ethics

As usual, my candidate has remained classy and polite. I expect this of him :)

It's time to move on, I hope certain Hillary supporters get the memo.

by Archer2 2008-05-24 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Ethics

He used her gaffe to his advantage in a most politcal discusting way for two days....now he's classy and moved on. Good for him. Probably because his most rapid supporters suggested it was a call to assinate him. (who needs enemies when you have friends like that).

by Justwords 2008-05-24 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Ethics

please do go on making up absurd claims.

by fightinfilipino 2008-05-24 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Ethics

Other than in your imagination, is there anything to back up that claim?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-24 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Ethics

2 days?  didn't she just say this yesterday?

by Destiny 2008-05-24 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Ethics

People on both sides of the Democratic fence know what it feels like to have their candidate say something they shouldn't have; that in-the-pit-of-your-stomach, "uh-oh" feeling that hits when a gaffe strikes is familiar to both Clinton and Obama supporters.

But please -- the candidates take responsibility for their actions and their words, and that is what is going on here.  There is no conceivable measure in which this can be attributed to Barack Obama.

She said it.  And she should have known that words like that would have been read the way they were -- not just by Obama supporters, but by people across the country of all walks, and frankly, the globe.

What she "meant", or didn't mean, is frankly irrelevant -- she should have known how incendiary it would be.  The fact that the Obama campaign is trying to sweep it under the rug demonstrates a difference between the two candidates in my opinion (he's not, say, running ADS with her statement as she did with "bitter").

But she needs to own this.  I think she's tried, in the way she thought best; we'll see what happens next.  But trying to divert the blame here isn't going to work on this one.  With anyone.

by RidleyGriff 2008-05-24 05:39PM | 0 recs
Not buying it. Sorry.

Watch what they do, not what they say.

It was obvious to everyone, from the South Dakota newspaper folks to RFK Jr, that Clinton was only talking about the length of the primary calendar. It was a point that she had made in much the same terms earlier, and nobody had thought anything of it before.

When this one provoked a few sparks, the Obama campaign fed the flames with Burton's incendiary statements that basically flatly stated there was evil intent behind what were obviously innocuous remarks. Obama surrogates such as James Clyburn piled on, and Obama aides were "privately" said to be "furious" in this morning's NYT article. (Apparently, just because something is in the NYT doesn't mean it's not private.) Stuff like this doesn't get into the media and get blown completely out of proportion without someone pushing it. Had Burton not issued the statement, and the Obama campaign instead said that Clinton meant nothing wrong, the story could have died, and Obama really would deserve the praise being heaped upon him in this diary.

Now that the damage has been done, and a backlash is brewing at the cynical way this was manipulated, Obama is trying to take the high road. It's negative politics, plain and simple.

This is just like the thing with the Tuzla sniper thing. At a debate, Obama says that everyone misspeaks every now and then, seemingly exhibiting gracious behavior. The VERY NEXT WEEK, his campaign organizes a conference call with generals saying that the incident proves Hillary can't be trusted to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers. Cynicism and mudball politics.

If I were an Obama supporter, my argument would be that this is politics and that's what we have to expect. Don't try to see Obama as some kind of saint. Saints don't make it very far in politics. People pretending to be saints, maybe.

by OrangeFur 2008-05-24 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Not buying it. Sorry.

"Obama surrogates such as James Clyburn"

Uh, if by that you mean "offended neutral black Congressman" then you're right!

Do you factcheck?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-24 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Not buying it. Sorry.

Not buying you either. You're doing Hillary no favors. Put away the spade. Stop digging the hole. You've been given a reprieve. Hillary swiftboated herself, and the more you try to make it Obama's fault, the more damage you do her.

Or maybe that's all you ever wanted to do in the first place.

With supporters like you, Hillary doesn't need enemies.

by duende 2008-05-24 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Not buying it. Sorry.

Only in Obama's fantasy world does the vile smear that Hillary endured count as a reprieve.

by OrangeFur 2008-05-25 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

If Barack Obama cured cancer tomorrow many people here would attack him for taking so long.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-24 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

"How could he have let all of these people die for so many years?  He clearly had a cure all along, but was waiting until he could run for president in order to make it public.  The blood is on your hands, B. Hussein Obama."

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-24 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

He had to dial it back. Of course, the media doesn't seem to be listening to him and only making it worse for him and splitting the party even more.

by Ga6thDem 2008-05-24 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Why do so many of the young and naive support Barack? Because they are young and naive.

None of them, apparently, have ever even heard of the good cop/bad cop routine.

Obama comes out front to say that we should overlook Hillary's "unfortunate" remark because she was probably just tired and said something stupid, while at the same time his campaign is busily churning out emails to the entire political press quoting Keith Olbermann's completely over-the-top commentary on the subject!

Obama wants to have his cake and eat it, too, and he very often does.

You people are too easy, too naive, too gullible and Axelrod to his credit takes full advantage of that fact.

by Client 9 2008-05-26 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama weighs in on Hillary's remarks

Reaper wrote: "Uh, if by [James Clyburn] you mean "offended neutral black Congressman" then you're right!"

Neutral black Congressman? Neutral??? Really? :)

What planet are you posting from?

Clyburn may be undeclared but he is about as far from neutral as it's possible to be.

Pay attention.

by Client 9 2008-05-26 11:54AM | 0 recs

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