Obama/Clinton 2008 It's Time

Barack and Hillary, it's time now.  Your supporters are getting ready to reenact 1968 and that ain't good.  Senator Obama gets first place because he is ahead in pledged delegates and cannot be caught.  Senator Clinton gets the VP nod because she is the second most popular personage in the party.
I really don't wanna hear the whining from the supporters of either side.  This is how it has to go down.  We are planning for 16 years of Democratic government, so I don't want to hear how awesome Joe Biden, Jim Webb, Janet Napolitano or Kathleen Sebelius are.  NONE of them could defeat Hillary, so they don't get picked.  PERIOD.  The rank and file will be very happy with this, the candidates can deal with this and the nutcases in the blogosphere that can't deal with this can go hang for all the rest of us care.
Senator Obama, you need to make this happen by next week.  Senator Clinton, you need to make this happen by next week.
Together you're going to make history.  

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)



Re: Obama/Clinton 2008 It's Time

By time the process is over whoever is ahead in the popular vote should be the nominee.

by lori 2008-03-08 01:13PM | 0 recs
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Sorry. Obama doesn't need a running mate who is morally bankrupt. It would be tantamount to a repudiation of everything he is running on.

A McCain/Clinton ticket would be more appropriate. All hawk all the time. The Keating Five/Whitewater ticket would be quite appealing to some.

by vermontprog 2008-03-08 01:16PM | 0 recs
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I don't think I mentioned anything about anyone being a running mate.

Get a grip on your emotions.

by lori 2008-03-08 01:19PM | 0 recs
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By the time this nomination is over...

11 more primaries will have occurred, 7 of which favor Barack Obama.

Michigan will have revoted, and this time Barack would be on the ballot.  Remember that the fist time, 4 out of 10 voters in the Democratic primary chose "uncommitted" over Clinton.  They ACTUALLY VOTED FOR A BLANK SLATE!!!!!

Florida will likely have a revote, and even if it doesn't, it only cuts the current popular vote lead down to about 300,000.

Wymoning, Nevada, Iowa, Washington, and Maine all voted in caucuses.  Obama lost by 5% in Nevada and won everywhere else with margins as low as 8% to as high as 35%.   Those don't go into the official popular vote count.

by Setrak 2008-03-08 01:28PM | 0 recs
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Can I remind you that in MI there was active campaigning (against the rules?) by John Conyers encouraging Barack Obama supporters to vote uncommitted?  Those were obviously meant for Obama (with some Edwards mixed in)

by AnnC 2008-03-08 02:11PM | 0 recs
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Can I get a source to back that claim up?

by Setrak 2008-03-08 02:23PM | 0 recs
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You are right on.  Sen. Conyers bought radio ad's.
Obama was the only one who bought ad's in FL.  OH! Sorry he was running a national ad and they didn't know how to skip FL.  This 2008 I don't buy that.  Do you???
by bradydundee 2008-03-08 03:53PM | 0 recs
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Learn something about media buys and you might understand it. You can't buy placement in 49 states for less than the cost of 50.
by PhilFR 2008-03-08 04:56PM | 0 recs
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Yup and so did the DNC. It was their rule after all, I think they are allowed to interpret it.

by BeekerDynasty 2008-03-09 10:57AM | 0 recs
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Right on popular vote and Gore would have won in 2000 and we won't be in the mess we are

by bradydundee 2008-03-08 02:07PM | 0 recs
Obama should forcefully reject
and denounce the question of Hillary as VP, because her recent comments, that appear supportive of McCain, would undermine his Presidential, his Presidency, and his administration.
Selecting a running mate that appears to have endorsed the other party's candidate as having passed the "Commander In Chief Threshold" (and insinuated that the top of your party ticket has not) would be a losing idea.
by fetboy 2008-03-08 01:21PM | 0 recs

Hillary was the political traitor. She needs to leave the Democratic party, or retract her comments and clarify that she does not endorse McCain over Obama.

by fetboy 2008-03-08 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: No.

the reality does not change that obama is just an exotic candidate who ran because he gave a speech like all the other liberal professors of that time.

by American1989 2008-03-08 01:35PM | 0 recs
And the reality
Is that Clinton appears to have endorsed McCain over Obama, as early as March 5th 2008.
Deny it all you want, but that is the reality.
by fetboy 2008-03-08 01:44PM | 0 recs

I should have wrote as RECENTLY as March 5th, 2008. Her comments have been perceived as endorsements of McCain over Obama for the past few weeks.

by fetboy 2008-03-08 01:47PM | 0 recs

no, thats not racially charged

by omar little 2008-03-08 02:54PM | 0 recs
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by bradydundee 2008-03-08 02:07PM | 0 recs
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by Walt Starr 2008-03-08 01:25PM | 0 recs
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because he doesn't have any?

by AnnC 2008-03-08 02:09PM | 0 recs
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have another sip of koolaid

by bradydundee 2008-03-08 03:47PM | 0 recs
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I also think this is the best solution. As you can see from this diary and the one I wrote yesterday, no one agrees. Mostly because they hate Obama, or hate Clinton after all the water under the bridge.

However, the way I see it, there just isn't another plausible solution to this primary. And Obama/ Clinton is the only order that works because of the pledged delegate lead Obama will likely have. All the other metrics that Clinton supporters are going to try (big states won, popular vote, etc.) don't work because they are all either subjective or disputable (for instance, popular vote - do we include caucuses? FL and MI?).

by animated 2008-03-08 01:32PM | 0 recs
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I tell you in the GE and with the Electoral College that pledged delegates are not going to mean a whole lot. We're talking about actual votes that's representative of the people winning a state for you in 2008 in regards to the Electoral College. If Obama does not win Pennsylvania, or the revotes for Michigan and Flordia, then, I can not see how he gets the nomination, regardless of how much he closes the gap during the nomination. If pledged delegates should count, they'll have to come from primary states--not backroom caucus deals where everyone can not vote.

by Check077 2008-03-08 03:22PM | 0 recs
I agree with

pieces of what you wrote. So I will give you a rec for at least trying to "unite".   :)

by kevin22262 2008-03-08 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree with

Thank you.  Your recent diaries have all been positive and forward looking and Hillary should be proud to have you.  As you can see from comments, my attempt at uniting is not faring too well.

by Demo Dan in Dayton 2008-03-08 01:48PM | 0 recs
It is not your fault
That the Obama and Clinton supporters can't unite.
It's Hallary's.
If Hillary's recent comments hadn't seen like an endorsement of McCain over Obama, then I would be all for a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket. But now I just want to see her go to the bottom of the dustbin of history. No way in hell will I feel comfortable with that political traitor anywhere near the armed forces.  
by fetboy 2008-03-08 04:17PM | 0 recs
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honestly, i don't think either one would would select each other.  Granted, it makes sense, HRC's ability to sell to the folks that were critical to our losses in 00/04, and Obama's passion is something HRC needs.

I still say the best option for both would be John Edwards.  For HRc, that's a passionate individual to her left.  For Obama, it is an individual much further to the left than he is, and someone that's able to sell an economic plan that would boost our hopes in the elections.

That said, other possibilities exist.  Obama could use a strong foreign policy guy, and Webb makes sense, particularly since I buy him reaching out into rural America.  Strickland makes a lot of sense for HRC.

by toonsterwu 2008-03-08 01:39PM | 0 recs
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Sen Obama can't reach the magic numbers either.

by bradydundee 2008-03-08 02:06PM | 0 recs
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The real issue doesn't seem to be what the candidates want. It is what the party needs. Overlooked is that Hillary has enormous support within the Latino and Asian communities as well as among gays and lesbians. She also has brought a lot of new people into the system. And raised turnout among women, Asians and Latinos. Not putting her on the ticket alienates these groups to the point where some will not vote Dem in Nov.

Polls show that up to 25% of her voters will not vote for Obama. This needs to be taken into account.

by DaleA 2008-03-08 02:14PM | 0 recs
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rssrai, you still think you can win the GE without Hillary's supporters...  If so, good luck!!!!

by Check077 2008-03-08 03:16PM | 0 recs
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Big Dog had some words on this today:

"I know that she has always been open to it, because she believes that if you can unite the energy and the new people that he's brought in and the people in these vast swaths of small town and rural America that she's carried overwhelmingly, if you had those two things together she thinks it'd be hard to beat. I mean you look at the, you look at the, you look at the map of Texas and the map in Ohio. And the map in Missouri or -- well Arkansas's not a good case because they know her and she won every place there.

"But you look at most of these places, he would win the urban areas and the upscale voters, and she wins the traditional rural areas that we lost when President Reagan was president. If you put those two things together, you'd have an almost unstoppable force."

Exactly what I was saying yesterday. People it's time to end the squabbling. A unity ticket is the answer.

by animated 2008-03-08 02:41PM | 0 recs
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All Clinton supporters should just leave the Democratic party. An Obama bot told me that today lol I wonder how they think they will do without us.

by rossinatl 2008-03-08 03:12PM | 0 recs
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And the whining begins immediately!

by Denny Crane 2008-03-08 03:14PM | 0 recs
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There is no way that this would be of benefit to the country or to Obama. The ONLY one this would benefit is Clinton and she has made sure to close that door. The Clinton's fouled this water again in the last week.Besides that Obama is head and shoulders above these two in character and integrity -not to mention that Michelle would probably put the kaboosh on this ---who needs the most divisive and conniving woman in politcs today to pollute the pool. She needs to go with McCain who is much more suited to her.The DemoRupug party--McCain/Clinton--maybe they could have another vodka party or two?

by katiekat489 2008-03-08 03:21PM | 0 recs
Political Reality

Seems odd to comment on my own diary, but here goes.  Reading the comments here just reinforces what I said previously.  The few thousand "I won't vote for her/him" bloggers will be left behind by the winds of political necessity.  This is a shotgun marriage made in heaven for the rank and file of the party.  The Clintons are well aware of this and have been signalling heavily all week.  Working the refs a lot, but still signalling they are open to a deal.  Lets get this done and move on to beating McCain in the fall.  Obama/Clinton 2008  Together, they will make history.  Thats our campaign slogan.  Thats the next 16 years.  Get on board and lets help make history.

by Demo Dan in Dayton 2008-03-08 05:15PM | 0 recs
Bull Sh*t
Bill and Hillary's attempt to fool Obama into accepting the back of bus VP role is just a twisted duplicitous attempt on their part to placate Obama supporters.
Clinton killed any chance at making a deal with Obama when she appeared to endorse McCain over Obama.
a Clinton/Obama or an Obama/Clinton ticket doesn't make any sense.
Obama accepting the VP spot would be political suicide (he would do better keeping his Senate seat), and Clinton would be sure to undermine Obama ever chance she got if she was his VP.
The unity deal aint going to happen.
Hillary made her bed starting on the Monday before the NH primary (when she thought she was going to lose). She went vindictively negative (has been so ever since), and now, assuming that she can still win the nomination, her only realistic options of running mate are Ted Strickland or Wes Clark.
I can't imagine anyone else wanting to be second fiddle to Bill Clinton.
But I think after the Clintons tax returns (for the past several years) are released on the 15th of April, she will be political history, and Obama will win the nomination.
by fetboy 2008-03-08 05:44PM | 0 recs

No way should she take 2nd place to someone that is NOT QUALIFIED to be president.....

by nikkid 2008-03-08 05:57PM | 0 recs

I'm pretty sure Obama's going to get the nomination, and I say that as a Hillary supporter. But--also as a Hillary supporter--the last thing I want to see is her accepting one of the least powerful positions in Washington. As he says on The West Wing, the only Constitutional duty of the VP is to have a pulse. There are administrative assistants in Boise with more power.

Hillary needs to run as far as she can, and if/when she loses, she needs to start seriously working her way towards the ACTUAL second-most-powwerful position in Washington. Namely, the one now held by the lily-livered Harry Reid. That's a spot where she could do some unbelievably good work.

by spoko 2008-03-09 09:41AM | 0 recs


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