Hillary = McCain

How does Hillary expect to defeat McCain when they have the same voting records? Same positions on Iraq, same on Iran, same on global warming, it goes on. They probably vote the more often than either votes with their party. The difference being McCain votes his (misguided) convictions, while Hillbilly votes her calculations.

If we want a democrat president who has actual convictions and true progressive values Obama is the only one left. That's what Obama is the McCain campaign's greatest  threat, and Hillbilly should be ours.

Tags: campaigns, Election, Politics, president (all tags)



Re: Hillary = McCain

Wow... It's about the COURTS, silly.  I agree with you on Iraq, but don't tell me that Hillary will appoint another Scalia to the bench.

by IowaCubs 2008-02-08 05:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary = McCain

No question you have put your finger on Hillary's problem. The Courts issue is the only one that separates these candidates.

It is Republican versus Republican Lite, if that's what Hillary's record can be called. Why would anyone want to vote Democrat and get a Republican as a result. That's what the Obama supporters are asking, and I have yet to hear a reasonable response in defense of Hillary or what she is spouting, more Clintonism.

by shergald 2008-02-08 06:35AM | 0 recs
You are being ridiculous

There is a world of difference between the two.  I am Obama supporter, but making arguments like this helps no one.

No one buys that Clinton is right wing, but McCain is!  You are just furthering the "McCain as moderate" lie.  He supports National Right to Work, Clinton will sign the employee free choice act.

Make your arguments for Obama, but don't build up McCain to do it.  

by labor nrrd 2008-02-08 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary = McCain

You're right, Hillary and McCain exactly the same. There is no differences between them...on healthcare, foreign policy, the environment, civil rights, the economy, etc. Maybe they are actually the same person pulling off the modern day political version of Tootsie. What? This article is ridiculous. Hillary's policy positions are actually more progressive than Obama's (healthcare, the economy, social security) a fact that so many Obama supporters are willing to overlook.

by corunner26 2008-02-08 05:43AM | 0 recs
Obama= 46% and a defeat

Look at his demographics.  He can't pull older white voters.  Why do you think that is?   Sadly they will vote for McCain before they vote for an African American President.  There is a generational divide that he can't cross.  Older Americans are not ready for a black President.

Secondly, there is the brown black divide.  McCain can generate some good will in that community with his past efforts to work with Kennedy on immigration.  The racial tension between the Latinos and the African Americans will make Latinos open to McCain.  McCain knows how to talk to this demo, being from the west.

The older Americans scare me the most.

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-08 05:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama= 46% and a defeat

Yes.  Older Americans are all racists.

I'm now officially done reading blogs forever.

by IowaCubs 2008-02-08 05:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama= 46% and a defeat

I am just look at exit poll after exit poll after exit poll.  The two groups he can't crack is older voters and Latinos.  

In some state he has won white women overall.  White men overall.   Middle aged voters, he has done well with in many states.  The two big groups he can't crack are older voters and Latinos, and I have to ponder the reason.

He also has serious problems with Jewish voters and Asian voters.   The Jewish vote is one of many reason he will never win FL (Latino and Cuban, and older vote another).

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-08 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary = McCain

Wow, another nader argument. How did that one work out for you last time?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-08 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary = McCain

In some regards, Hillary actually more closely resembles George W. Bush. She 1) supported the War in Iraq and its spread to Iran and 2) is the product of nepotism.  The last point is one of the chief reasons I don't support her.  I loved Bill because he rose on his merits, she doesn't have that same appeal to me.  

I have no concerns about Obama's ability to stand up to McCain during the debates and I think he is much more likely to be able to calmly, respectfully and effectively explain to McCain why he is wrong on the issues.  That kind of measured approach is what will win independents for the Democratic side.  Combativeness will not do that. Plus, Obama's not cried a single time during the nomination process.      

by ruskin 2008-02-08 06:04AM | 0 recs
Obama and Clinton have the same voting record

It is identical on Iraq

I think anyone with their eyes and ears open can tell the diff between Clinton and McCain on Iraq going forward.

By the way, the idea that Obama is this pure good hearted perfect guy who just loves everyone and is totally driven by his "convictions" is total horseshiite.  He is just an ambitious pol saying and doing anything to win, just like all the rest.  He is corporate Democrat just like Clinton and Nader has already says he sees no diff between the  two.

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-08 06:06AM | 0 recs


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