The Audacity to Hold Them Accountable

During this primary, Hillary supporters have been disrespected, made fun of, shamed, labeled as divisive, racist, called names that range from typical white people to a part of the electorate that the new Democratic coalition no longer needs.

Now we are being made to feel that if we don't fall in line and vote for the DNC insiders choice for President, we may lose the election for them. We'll lose the opportunity to appoint Democratic judges to the Supreme Court, lose our homes, our uteruses, schools will close, the Iran War will last for 100 years and we will be taken over by aliens. The sky will fall.

Who says so? The Main Stream Media, Donna Brazile, Howard Dean, the DNC, Kerry, Kennedy, Richardson Donald Duck, The Three Stooges, Betty Boop, Felix the Cat, John Wayne, Henny Penny and any other man, woman or child that doesn't fall in line with the Party.

It's time for us to hold these people accountable for their choices. The people who changed the rules for this primary. The people who decided to come out early for Obama and get a choice cabinet position. The people who decided to treat one of the Democratic primary contenders as if she were a Republican, with disrespect, misogyny, ridicule and an underlying hatred.

It's time to sit back and make these people accountable. It's easy to do with the MSM. Turn it off. There is a plethora of news available on the Internet and you don't have to listen to these so-called anchors posture and preen with innuendos and outright lies. As John points out, you can also boycott the advertisers of the most egregious news channels.

But, how do we hold the Democratic Party accountable? By doing what we are doing. Refusing to fall for the hype if we don't vote for The Chosen One. Refusing to believe that we'll be forever gnashing our teeth and clawing our eyes out if the Dems don't win this election. It will be our fault. Not their fault for screwing up by hand picking what they thought was the most electable candidate for the GE and trying to shove him down our throats. For picking an inexperienced, unvetted, arrogant candidate and telling us to get over it and vote for him or else.

How? By doing what we are doing. Refusing to vote by any other standard than our own. By reading, watching, talking, coming to our own conclusions and examining our own conscience. The tougher stance. As a life long Democrat, not voting for yet another empty suit is difficult, but if we don't stand our ground, there will be no change in the Democratic Party. By refusing to be told what to do, we are working for a better system. A system without fraudulent caucuses and with a level playing field of equality for all candidates.

Hang tough. Have the audacity to hold them accountable.

It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Robert F. Kennedy

Tags: clinton, DNC, Howard Dean, obama (all tags)

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Re: The Audacity to

You're a low creature indeed to quote RFK in support of an effort to fight against progressive ideals.

Shame on you.  You've already taken your ball and gone home.  No point in taunting us about it.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 06:54AM | 0 recs
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What happened to the Big Tent mentality?  Don't become what we have shuned, just because the diarist doesn't agree with your position.

by TxDem08 2008-06-29 07:09AM | 0 recs
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I am not shunning anyone.

The diarist just slapped me and others in the face with a gauntlet.  What am I supposed to do?  Thank him/her for doing so?

To the diarist: you wanna punish the party?  Go nuts.  You've every bit the right to rail against them that I have to support them.  It's as much your party as mine.

However, you lost.  We won.  Having backed losing primary candidates before, I sympathize.  I have felt what you feel.

I got over it.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 07:15AM | 0 recs
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Cyn NY, you need to look up the site's rules regarding TR's.  You're abusing them.

Next time, why not spend the time you spent TR'ing me actually responding to me?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 07:52AM | 0 recs
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Nonsense. What good is having a "Big Tent" if some of the people are actively working against the Dem nominee? I don't want Lieberman in our tent, the same way I don't want this guy.

by animated 2008-06-29 07:49AM | 0 recs
Yeah, SCREW our country!

Who needs this dump, anyway? Let's vote for McCain so that he can complete the process of destroying it!

Seriously, I was a Hillary supporter, and I have some of the same gripes as you. I'm not going to damn my country because of them, though. Obama will win in November. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

by sricki 2008-06-29 07:00AM | 0 recs
Ok,

by Brandon 2008-06-29 07:02AM | 0 recs
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"The people who decided to come out early for Obama and get a choice cabinet position."

You do remember that Senator Clinton had a lead of over 100 superdelegates before the first contest?  Any chance that some of those people might have expected cabinet positions, maybe?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 07:02AM | 0 recs
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Cyn NY, stop troll rating people who disagree with you. It's against site policy.

by animated 2008-06-29 07:51AM | 0 recs
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Thank you. For that I am honestly sorry. I didn't realize it was against site policy.
by Cyn NY 2008-06-29 08:02AM | 0 recs
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if you didn't understand site rules, I find that perfectly reasonable.  However, I'm sure some of us would appreciate it if you reversed the ratings you did give...

by semiquaver 2008-06-29 08:13AM | 0 recs
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Hey, don't be such sore winners.

I really liked this diary, Cyn. Hang in there!

We have problems, and we need people to speak out about them.  

by The Smoldering Crone 2008-06-29 07:02AM | 0 recs
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I like it, too. And the Bots don't bother me a bit. The more they screech, the more I am sure I am doing the right thing.
by Cyn NY 2008-06-29 07:06AM | 0 recs
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Do you find it at all ironic that in a diary where you call out others for making fun and calling names that you've done ... the exact same thing?

I suppose it's ok, because we started it.

by semiquaver 2008-06-29 07:24AM | 0 recs
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The Audacity of Denial, a story of a dead ender.

by Brandon 2008-06-29 07:25AM | 0 recs
I thought the dead-enders

were the people in Iraq, setting roadside bombs. Have they moved over here now, to blow up the Democratic party?

by georgiapeach 2008-06-29 04:12PM | 0 recs
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I'm sorry you felt the need to troll rate me, as well as every person who disagreed with you, instead of responding.  I think it bears out my point rather well, though.  I know it's easy to be gracious when your side wins, but this kind of behavior seems closer to a tantrum than anything else to me.  

Your post was directed at Obama supporters, no?  If you don't want to hear any response, why post at all?  

by semiquaver 2008-06-29 07:43AM | 0 recs
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No. This post is clearly directed at Hillary supporters. I don't engage with Obama supporters as I feel no need to defend my position. And, I don't go to pro-Obama diaries to try to stop the dialog, either.
by Cyn NY 2008-06-29 07:52AM | 0 recs
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There aren't "Hillary supporters" as I suspect you mean that word.  There are Democrats who will most likely vote for our nominee.  There are deadenders who won't for whatever reasons they prefer.

Yes, there are honest and good people who haven't made up their minds yet.  I respect that.  However, there isn't a Clinton campaign to support at this time.  It does not exist.  That ship has sailed.

Senator Clinton fought like hell, and I respect her tenacity, I honestly do.  However, the group of people to whom you address this, well, that group has broken up.  Most have moved on, or are in the process of so doing.  To the handful who have dedicated the next five months of their lives to harming progressive ideals, well.....

I really hope that MyDD.com isn't the best place to speak to them.

To those who are still hurting, to those who feel betrayed, I say this: time heals all wounds.  You'll wait far longer for a woman elected presidednt as a Republican.  We are your friends, imperfect though we may be.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 07:55AM | 0 recs
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Souvarine, I would ask you to retract your mojo of this post.  He used the term "bots" which is insulting and derogatory.  It implies mindless automatons, which we are not.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 07:56AM | 0 recs
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yet you have no problem giving mojo to insulting personal attacks when you feel like it. clean your own house before lecturing others.

by zerosumgame 2008-06-29 08:48AM | 0 recs
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Please show me some examples of that.

By the way, I appreciate having my own personal internet stalker.  Well done!

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 08:55AM | 0 recs
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http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/29/1 05210/075/11#11

by zerosumgame 2008-06-29 09:59AM | 0 recs
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Fine, I'll parse my words slightly:

I have no problem mojo'ing a rational and accurate insult when someone else has TR'ed or HR'ed it when it did not violate the rules.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 10:09AM | 0 recs
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I remember more clearly now.  I mojo'ed everything in this diary that the diarist had TR'ed unnecessarily.  If I was overbroad with that post, fine.  The diarist had TR'ed almost the whole damned thread.

And I'm the bad guy.  I was uprating from TR abuse.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 10:11AM | 0 recs
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bottom line is you claimed you never did, I proved that wrong so now your trot out excuses and BS to try to "explain" it and that makes it a lie on your part now. deal with it.

by zerosumgame 2008-06-29 06:02PM | 0 recs
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nice rationalization there. very Karl Rovian in it's spin. So if it is an insult to someone you disagree with it's OK, but if it is against one of your buddies it is evil incarnate. Got ya. again no surprise about your hypocrisy.

by zerosumgame 2008-06-29 05:59PM | 0 recs
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I understand what you're saying.  And if you don't want to vote for Obama, don't.  It's your vote, and you should examine each and every person on the down-ticket races and compare them to your core values.

By reading, watching, talking, coming to our own conclusions and examining our own conscience. The tougher stance. As a life long Democrat, not voting for yet another empty suit is difficult, but if we don't stand our ground, there will be no change in the Democratic Party.
 You should be doing this already.

However, after the research and reflection, I am pretty certain that when it comes down to it, you will probably pick the DEM candidate.  If however you can't, then make an informed decision and write someone in.  Write yourself in.

However, there are just a few things I would like to point out...

Who says so? The Main Stream Media, Donna Brazile, Howard Dean, the DNC, Kerry, Kennedy, Richardson...

So does Hillary.

We'll lose the opportunity to appoint Democratic judges to the Supreme Court, lose our homes, our uteruses, schools will close, the Iran War will last for 100 years...

This is absolutely true.  It is possible that we will lose all of these things.  In fact more than likely, that this will happen, unless you and I work together to make sure that there is a super-majority in the Senate and a much, much larger majority in the House.

If you don't want to vote Obama, don't.  But make an informed choice for the down-ticket races, as these are very important as well, and will affect us more than a the Presidency and the White House.

by TxDem08 2008-06-29 07:06AM | 0 recs
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I love that the diarist has engaged in flagrant TR abuse in his/her own diary.  Children of the world unite!

by rfahey22 2008-06-29 07:38AM | 0 recs
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TR/HR abuse here is an epidemic, its sad when I am happy they only have one name to rate me on, its the people that have many that are the bigger problem.

by Brandon 2008-06-29 07:47AM | 0 recs
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C'mon, Cyn.  Have the audacity to engage in debate and not hide behind your diary.  You certainly have the audacity to TR everyone in this thread.

by rfahey22 2008-06-29 07:51AM | 0 recs
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It's time for us to hold these people accountable for their choices. The people who changed the rules for this primary. The people who decided to come out early for Obama and get a choice cabinet position. The people who decided to treat one of the Democratic primary contenders as if she were a Republican, with disrespect, misogyny, ridicule and an underlying hatred.

Think about this for a moment. You want to punish the people who show showed disrespect towards the candidate you support by rewarding people who have led us into a war that has caused the deaths of more than 4000 Americans and the lives of uncounted Iraqi women and children. You want to punish people for misogyny, which is something Obama never did, by rewarding people who have taken billions of dollars and given it to their cronies through no-bid contracts. People who have raped this country for almost 8 years. You want to punish people who ridiculed you and your candidate by rewarding people who have done their best to weaken the Constitution and laws of this land.

How do you balance these things in your own mind? How can you possibly equate a verbal insult made by some anonymous poster on the internet with the actions of people that want to steal our country's treasure, take away your liberties, and sink this country into an unending war in the middle east?

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-29 07:58AM | 0 recs
Sadly

Reason has no place in this argument.  It i sad, but something I am coming to grips with.  

by Brandon 2008-06-29 08:01AM | 0 recs
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If you don't take a stand now the next woman will meet the same fate. Sexism and misogyny has become a part of a winning strategy.

by feelfree 2008-06-29 08:35AM | 0 recs
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No, it hasn't.

The reasons that Hillary Clinton lost had much more to do with the fact that's she's Hillary Clinton than it ever had to do with her being a woman.  Frankly, I consider the contrary conclusion to be childish as hell, because it requires the person to ignore basically every part of the campaign that had nothing to do with gender.

I respect Senator Clinton far too much to dwell on the biography (gender) and instead focus on the kind of campaign she ran (into the ground).

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 08:40AM | 0 recs
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I don't believe you when you say you respect Mrs. Clinton. The tone of your writing suggests animus and hostility.

Your tone and word choice is demeaning. I know sexism and misogyny have become a part of the winning strategy. My eyes and ears aren't lying. Gender has been used to undermine Clinton  just as the southern strategy used race.

It is unfortunate you and so many others are unwilling to accept the real concerns from members of your own party. Get over it is not a solution to what I believe will become a problem for women candidates across the country.

by feelfree 2008-06-29 09:09AM | 0 recs
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I can be hostile to someone I respect.  I respect John McCain, but you can bet your ass I'm hostile to him.

I respect Senator Clinton for her wonkiness and her tenacity.  Those are good things.  I am hostile to several other aspects of her personality.  People are complicated creatures, and it's rare that I like the whole package.  I have to make a value judgment.  On balance, Senator Clinton does more good than bad, but I strongly dislike the bad.

Don't imply I'm lying again.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-29 09:13AM | 0 recs
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Clinton's campaign dismissed a great deal of concern and hostility. You think that Obama just happened to inspire a majority of Democratic voters and had an instant wellspring of support?

Hillary had huge negatives going in. Running the campaign she did, it could have been anyone that beat her, including John McCain. Actually READ some of the articles about the lack of GOP 527s. They all say that they are unprepared because for the last several years, they were getting stuff ready to attack Hillary.

She did not do what she needed to do. She did not push hard to find out why people didn't like her and address them. She didn't give a damn about the people who didn't like her until she thought she was losing. Once she made that effort to connect to those voters, she won their votes. Had she done the same thing in Georgia that she did in West Virginia, she may very likely have won.

by vcalzone 2008-06-29 11:26AM | 0 recs
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Even now, her supporters are unwilling to listen. I keep saying that I didn't like her, didn't trust her and had no plans to ever support her run, and all you hear is "Hillary was a woman and I don't vote for women."

by vcalzone 2008-06-29 11:28AM | 0 recs
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Please note that when I say didn't/had, I mean up until February, when it actually mattered.

by vcalzone 2008-06-29 11:30AM | 0 recs
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I didn't make a choice based on likability. Noone should. George W. Bush is a likable guy.

It is funny you don't mention where your impressions came from. Did you have an opportunity to meet her personally? Or did you get your information from the media? I'm putting odds on the media. Your hostility reflects the attitudes of those in the media.

Your hostility is directed against her personally yet you have nothing to say about her positions on healthcare, the economy, foreign policy, etc.

by feelfree 2008-06-29 01:59PM | 0 recs
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If you mean the media in the sense of, "That is where I saw Hillary Clinton speaking", then you are correct. But most of the coverage I ever saw for her was extremely positive. I just didn't like the way that everything she did seemed to be so calculated. When she first ran, I thought that perhaps she would try to be more open in her campaign, try hard to soften her image and be more spontaneous/risky. I didn't see any signs of that. Not till this past March.

Regardless, though, whose job was it to correct people of those notions? Who is responsible for not changing people's perceptions? Obama right now bears full responsibility for any character problems he fails to address, and so did Hillary.

I'm not saying I was right in the past. I was wrong. But it is the reason Hillary lost, and it was in her power to change. It was her job to change that notion. Or at least to start talking about it and acknowledging it. Blaming the media for spreading a caricature of a candidate is like putting down a dog who hurts somebody. It might be what needs to be done, but that doesn't imply that the dog is guilty of anything.

She was asked about likability in the pre-NH debate and she just said, "that hurts my feelings." And I'm sure it did. But dammit, she should have confronted it earlier. I admit my own biases, but I also maintain that the one thing I was waiting for her to do was to say, "y'know, maybe I should figure out why people have a problem with me and talk to them about it".

by vcalzone 2008-06-29 02:23PM | 0 recs
A stand has to have *some* positives

The backlash against women would be immense. Supreme Court aside, you'd set gender equality back 10 years, much as if Barack had lost and AA's burned Washington. The MSM will boil the whole thing down into classic stereotypical petulance, because the average TV watcher can't digest more nuance than that. "Woman loses Primary, followers sabotage election", will piss offf half the feminists and the other half will agree. The Dems will have to think long and hard about fielding another woman candidate because what if she loses?

3/4 of the Democratic Party will be angry at you, so I'm not sure how much of an apology the DNC will be free to offer (if that's what you even want). Finally (and most grotesque) in a significant number of minds, Hillary will take the blame. Note that I haven't even scratched the issue of what a McCain presidency would bring.

Seriously, I'm more baffled by your position than anything else. You seem to think you can blithely sabotage an election and come out of it with net positives. It would simply be a further bloodbath.

by Neef 2008-06-29 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: A stand has to have *some* positives

I think the backlash has already been immense. Democratic women addressed a major issue to the party and have had there heads patted and told their complaint is nonsense.  This is unacceptable.

The positive is the hope of building a coalition strong enough to be heard so those stewards of the party and elected officials will listen and act rather than turn a blind eye, a deaf ear, and do nothing.

by feelfree 2008-06-29 09:48AM | 0 recs
Who will join the coalition

that threw an election?

That is not a snark question. Yes, currently such a coalition has power because of the very real desire by the rest of the party to win.

If this coalition causes the election to be lost, is it reasonable to assume that said coalition will be viewed negatively or positively?

by Neef 2008-06-29 09:27PM | 0 recs
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The rest of the party views the coalition negatively now. I don't see any evidence that this is a problem.  I don't know who would join, but I get the impression there are also democrats who respect what they are doing yet have chosen the path of least resistance.

If the election is  won or lost I will view them positively.  It is always a good for democracy when people who have been marginalized and dismissed take a stand. The alternative is to do nothing.

by feelfree 2008-06-30 07:23AM | 0 recs
Oh Please....

I love this -

Now we are being made to feel that if we don't fall in line and vote for the DNC insiders choice for President...

You do realize because of the way this primary went that if Hillary were the nominee it still would be because of the Super Ds. The only difference would be your choice would be at the top of the ticket instead of Obama. My guess is you would be absolutely fine with this and the DNC insiders would be your best friends and allies.

I have no issue with you being upset or even angry. I have no issue with you deciding to vote some other way, your right. I do have issue with intellectual dishonesty.

by jsfox 2008-06-29 09:41AM | 0 recs
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Ignoring the war going on in the comments, I agree with this diary.

by ellend818 2008-06-29 09:51AM | 0 recs
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Do what you will. It's your choice, and if you feel pressure to fall in line, perhaps that comes from your own conscience. After all, we get pressured to do stuff every day. We are pressured to buy burgers, shampoo and cars every single day. We are pressured to vote for Republicans every single day. But I only FEEL pressured to do things I know to be right.

by vcalzone 2008-06-29 11:18AM | 0 recs
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Ohh Cyn NY- very brave post on this site these days. Here! here! I agree wholeheartedly.

The clintons were never part of the inside crowd in DC and the DC crowd  looked at this new fresh face, Obama, and with that typical democratic shoot-yourself-in-the-foot mentality, swooned. The swooning became more pronounced when they smelled the money Obama could raise. What they forgot was that those obama  donors were voting for him because they didn't really like democrats and the DNC won't get a cent from all those "small" donors. Meanwhile the usual donors who supported the DNC for years (like me) have quit. When 38% of dems are saying they won't vote for the nominee, democrats are in trouble in NOvember.  Sad in a year when we should have swept to victory.

You, me and Kristin Breitweiser! Hold them accountable.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-br eitweiser/you-broke-it-you-own-it_b_1016 73.html

by Bornagaindem 2008-06-29 11:48AM | 0 recs
Every lynch mob

pretends it's about the honor of a white woman.

by JJE 2008-06-29 01:24PM | 0 recs
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Right on, Cyn!!!!

by susanclare 2008-06-29 02:09PM | 0 recs

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