So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

I took today off to get some work done on my car - blech - it was more work than I had expected.  How long are rotors supposed to last anyway?  It seems I replace them every other year!!

At any rate, I was at Firestone for 4 frigging hours.  I was outside, moping around, when another customer walked up to me and started talking to me.  He was an elderly gentleman, I would say in his late 70's.  Very nice man - he also got hit with more repairs than he had expected and we were complaining about the high cost of parts.  Which led to gas prices, which led to who is to blame.  

He blamed Bush for a lack of energy program.  He mentioned JFK and how when JFK stated we would put a man on the moon in 10 years, damn it, the US did it.  He stated why didn't Bush make a statement about energy independence and spurring the growth in research and development sectors.

I mentioned Reagan, telling him about the solar panels that Carter had installed in the WH and how Reagan tore them out.  He hadn't heard that story before and asked rhetorically "Why did Reagan take them out?" We talked about global warming and how it would be a cultural mindset change in the United States, as everywhere you go, everything seems to be bottled, packaged, wrapped, and shipped in plastic.  

This nice man began talking about Obama - he was scared of him.  He felt that Obama was a very intelligent man whose claim to fame was his really wonderful speeches, but was scared of and didn't buy into all of the "change" and "yes, we can" speeches.

I looked him in the eye and stated "you know, I voted for Hillary in the primaries." He responded "I did as well".  And I went on stating that we talked about the cultural mindset change about habits with oil and plastic products.  I mentioned that I didn't buy into all of the rhetoric, but Obama did inspire a lot of people.  He retorted by stating "By justing stating the word change?" I replied, well, Obama is more than just words - sure, it started out like that to me, but I have read up on his plans, and although I may not agree with some of them, he does have ideas.  And just as JFK inspired people, I reminded him of his words earlier to me, Obama inspires a lot of folks as well, and that hopefully, will enact the mindset of changing our culture.

He nodded and stated, yes, Obama was a hell of a lot better than McCain, and if Obama tries to push something that is unpopular, the Congress will push back.  And I grinned and stated that is the beauty of our system.  Checks and balances.  

We chatted some more and I felt good about talking to this man - a person who voted like me in the primaries, has some doubts, a little nervous, but in the end, we both felt good about the democratic nominee - even if he wasn't our first choice.

I am not the best spokesperson for Senator Obama, as I stated I am an unenthusiastic supporter.  However, I think this was a plus today.  I was not an eager beaver, not spouting talking points, expressing my disappointment over Hillary's loss, but I was able to bond with this man because of that.  I know that both he & I will vote for Obama this fall.  

The point of this story?  Perhaps the way to reach people like him is to have people like me share my story with him.   Sometimes, really enthusiastic supporters can turn off a person with doubts and the way to reach them is to have someone who has the same backstory and can provide the empathy and bond over the loss and to bond together in our support for the democratic nominee and to win in the General Election.

Tags: general election, obama, Voters (all tags)

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113 Comments

Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

tips?  flames?

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Tips. 100%.

by vcalzone 2008-06-30 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Aw, shucks.  Who'd flame this?  

Oh, I forgot about those guys.

by semiquaver 2008-06-30 02:25PM | 0 recs
I agree with you. colebiancardi. My mother,

who is as diehard a Hillary supporter as they come, has decided to vote for Obama instead of sitting this one out - something she swore she would not do - after seeing how I have evolved from Hillary supporter to, "he's our nominee so I'll vote for him," to, "hmmnn, I'm beginning to warm up to this guy," to, "Wow! I am really jazzed about Barack Obama." If I were an enthusiastic Obama supporter from the get go, I don't believe she would be voting for him now. Actually, I believe she wouldn't be working for me now (she is my seamstress for my Upholstery business).   ;-}  

by Rumarhazzit 2008-06-30 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree with you. colebiancardi. My mother,
This is why Cole was the best spokesman he wasn't trying to drive anything down the gentleman's throat. He could relate to some of his feelings.
Why don't you go back Cole and change a few more minds. Ha ha
by Politicalslave 2008-06-30 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree with you. colebiancardi. My mother,

only if you get my gender right ;)

I'm a she.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree with you. colebiancardi. My mother,

Sorry about the Gender. Now I know. Now we all know. Love the diary

by Politicalslave 2008-06-30 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

oh dear, condi, you should know by now that the only dkos/mydd approved method is to call the old guy a "deadender" or "hillbot" or accuse him of being a paid repuke troll and then do your best to get him "banned"...

by zerosumgame 2008-06-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

A Shame...

This really is a fine anecdote that hadn't even the slightest hint of bitterness or vitriol.  It's unfortunate that some still feel the need to inject contentious remarks without provocation.  

And yes, that goes for certain Obama supporters as well.

by Saintcog 2008-06-30 06:53PM | 0 recs
We're all on the same team here.

Your bitterness is justified if you have been called a deadender or a hillbot just as those of us who have been called Obamabots or cultists have reason to be bitter.

But the contest is over now and we are no longer adversaries but are instead allies.  We really need to bandage old wounds and move on to winning the general election against the republicans.  Personal feelings must take a backseat to political expediency.

Are you up for that? (or is it down with that, I'm so uncool)

by GFORD 2008-07-01 05:49AM | 0 recs
Re: We're all on the same team here.

well golly gee G, you haven't look at the rec'ed diaries lately? I realize you are a chronic ratings abuser and self-annointed judge of all things for all people for all time but what ain't over is people like you trying to bully other people and acting as McBloggers trying to keep the divisions open. You don't like the 'bitterness' of my comments? Then learn to deal with the fact that other people are just as real as you are and that their feelings are as well.

by zerosumgame 2008-07-01 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

After this week no one could call me enthusiastic for Obama, not anymore.

by MNPundit 2008-06-30 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Cole, given the number of times we've exchanged "pleasantries" back and forth, this is a milestone moment for you.

by LtWorf 2008-07-01 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

looks like you still have not gotten over your impacted personality however.

by zerosumgame 2008-07-01 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Aaahh ZERO that statement was meant as a compliment.  Only someone with the cynicism of a Republican could take it otherwise.  Have you checked the mirror lately?

by LtWorf 2008-07-02 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

I am not the best spokesperson for Senator Obama

Sounds to me like your a damn good spokesperson. And maybe being a former Clinton supporter gives you even more credibility.

by jsfox 2008-06-30 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

I was thinking the same thing. In fact a better spokeman than some.

by Politicalslave 2008-06-30 03:28PM | 0 recs
nice story.

this is why the constant attacks on dissension are not productive.  purity policing will not being people around.  rec'd.

by canadian gal 2008-06-30 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Nice diary that makes good points. Perhaps I should preface more of my comments with, "I was originally and Edwards supporter". The reality is that a lot of people who now support Obama originally supported someone else. Linfar and you are perfect examples of this.

Talking one on one is so much different than discussions on a blog like this. Quiet conversations about issues and facts are much easier between only two people. Throw more people into the mix and rational conversation so goes astray.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

I think that helped (that I mentioned who I supported in the primaries and it wasn't Obama).  As another poster stated, it might have given me more credibility.

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Great personal diary.  For a "lukewarm" supporter of Obama, you've already gone above and beyond by simply posting this.  For all of the disagreements between supporters on this site, I think the majority of us can agree with the sentiment expressed in this diary.

Obama is a hell of a lot better than McCain.

Again, thanks for this diary!

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-30 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

thanks!

of course, too bad I am not a paid blogger after I got hit with the bill from Firestone this morning :)

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Haha yeah really.  I don't even want to know how much money they mugged you for.  I've gotta go get some work done on my car, and I'm absolutely dreading it.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-30 01:27PM | 0 recs
You know the tune

♬  Wherever wheels are rolling,
 ♬  No matter what the load
  ♬  The name that's known is Firestone
   ♬  Where the rubber meets the road

(because it's fallen off your tire and made your SUV roll over)

OK, I admit it, I buy super cheapo tires which are probably even more likely to blow up.  I just wanted to use my namesake in a post.  Really catchy tune though.  I wasn't alive when it was on the air, but me pops sang it to me all the time when I was little for some reason.

by semiquaver 2008-06-30 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Thank you, and well done.

I am an ardent Obama supporter, and I have persuaded a handful of sceptics.  That being said, I am over-zealous and I cannot help it.  I am as happy as a clam that someone like Barack Obama is our nominee and I come across that way.

I appreciate your temperment.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-30 01:27PM | 0 recs
Uprated for TR abuse.

by SocialDem 2008-06-30 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Heavily Rec'ed, wish I had more then one vote.

"I am not the best spokesperson for Senator Obama.."

Actually, as you said, in this case YOU WERE the best spokesperson possible.

You also acted like a Democrat, which no matter HOW angry people are, I think they need to remember above all else.

Putting McCain in the Whitehouse means the same folks keep appointing the heads of EPA, FDA, Justice...

That means McCain appoints NOT ONLY USSC, but all the district court judges as well?

Cole, You acted like a Democrat, and I thank you for that. Well done.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

I know Obama is the democratic nominee, but I'm not going to vote for someone who is more interested in playing political mind games with voters. The way I see it, by being a Democrat, it's like I'm giving to charity. None of the issues in this election actually affect my life. So no matter who wins in November, it has no effect on me. I know its selfish but its true.  

by bsavage 2008-06-30 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

gas prices don't affect you?  Economics doesn't affect you?

I think that the economy will be bigger than the war in Iraq - in fact, I hope it will be.  Because Obama will win in a landslide if it is.  

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

We are all affected by high gas prices in one way or another even the selfish. You're right the economy is McCain's weak point.

by Politicalslave 2008-06-30 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

think PUMA-ism comes in many flavors,

Some are narcissists? This one seems to be a solipsist.

He/She is wrong of course, 8 years of just appointing district court and USSC court
judges will affect EVERYTHING?

Or deciding HOW the FDA is staffed?

We are going to have a Supreme Court that rules on Genetic Engineering, maybe even artificial life?  

And sooner then you think?

Certainly artificial enhancements, radical drug therapies?

What if parents CAN selective decide to screw with their kids genes IN VITRO?

Who do you want running the FDA?  Republic appointees selected for religious purity?

I'm not even saying I KNOW how that should be ruled, but I want the best and brightest on the court, not just someone who kissed Federalist Society ASS for the last 20 years.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

None of the issues in this election actually affect my life.
This is a completely nonsensical comment. I am simply amazed that anyone can think this way.

You would have to be from a different planet to avoid being affected by the issues in this campaign. Everything from USA foreign affairs to economics affects the whole world. If nothing else, you will be affected by the decisions made by future Supreme Court justices. You might be immune to downturns in the economy if you are independently wealthy, but then you will be more seriously affected by tax policies. You might have your own health insurance, but even then any changes to health policies in this country will affect you.

Come out of your cave and join us in the real world, bsavage.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

What I'm saying is that the world won't come crashing down in 4 years. There are more than enough Democrats to counter act any crazy McCain proposal if he gets elected.

by bsavage 2008-06-30 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Go here, and page to the middle section called

Partisan mix of the circuit courts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_jud icial_appointment_history

How's that trend working for you?

McCain can make it in the 90% percentile in some cases appointed by Republics.

This is the culmination of THE REAL AGENDA of the rightwing think tanks, like The Heritage Foundation?

The Federalist Society was created to not balance the courts, but to move them totally to the right, to ELIMINATE liberal judges AT ALMOST ALL FEDERAL LEVELS!!!

These judges are appointed for life.

It matters. It matters TO EVERY PERSON living in every state.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

If you feel so strongly, then go tell the Obama campaign to grow a pair and attack McCain.

by bsavage 2008-06-30 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Not a McCain supporter, but I agree that the quality of judges a President apoints is important. What assurances do we have that Obama will appoint quality people to Federal and State courts?

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Well, for one thing, go to HuffPO and search for an article written by Cass Sunstein, one of Obama's best friends at the U of Chicago law school.

Personally, my dream is Obama appoints Cass to the USSC, but, at any rate, Obama is going to get great advice on who to appoint, and why?

U of Chicago is a fairly conservative law school, but even the conservatives on the staff have nothing but praise for Obama's insights.

Heck, AT LEAST OBAMA KNOWS WHAT A JUDGE DOES?

The only thing I think Bush knows is they handle DWI cases, unless your daddy get you out of the trial?

It's always a crap shoot, remember, Souter was appointed by a Republic?

But, this isn't a flip of the coin.

McCain will have Republic Federalist cronies handeling the recommendations, BANK ON IT!

Obama WON'T be using the strict Federalist Society working lists.

So, sure, you DON'T know if Obama will get it always right.

But, where he is starting from and McCain will start from is not open for debate:McCain WILL start from the hard right.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 03:23PM | 0 recs
Sorry, not convinced.

The HuffPuff piece by Sunstein praises Obama's Republican fans in Chicago -- and suggests a future Obama administration could lead to an administration of yes men. Not very convincing, especially when written by one of his law school cronies.

Unconvinced.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 03:41PM | 0 recs
I'm convinced you read a different article?

I would say you lie like a dog, know vox, but my dog is way more truthful then you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cass-r-sun stein/the-obama-i-know_b_90034.html

Cass Sunstein is one the preeminent legal scholars of the last decade.

Crony, my backside.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm convinced you read a different article?

Yes, we read the same article.

From Sunstein:

The University of Chicago Law School is by far the most conservative of the great American law schools. It helped to provide the academic foundations for many positions of the Reagan administration... at the University of Chicago, Obama is liked and admired by Republicans... Some of the local Reagan enthusiasts are Obama supporters....

In recent weeks, his speaking talents, and the cult-like atmosphere that occasionally surrounds him, have led people to wonder whether there is substance behind the plea for "change" - whether the soaring phrases might disguise a kind of emptiness and vagueness....I do not deny that skeptics are raising legitimate questions. After all, Obama has served in the Senate for a short period (less than four years) and he has little managerial experience. Is he really equipped to lead the most powerful nation in the world?

Obama speaks of "change", but will he be able to produce large-scale changes in a short time? What if he fails? An independent issue is that all the enthusiasm might serve to insulate him from criticisms and challenges on the part of his own advisers -- and, in view of his relative youth, criticisms and challenges are exactly what he requires.

... It is highly revealing that Obama worked with Republican (and arch-conservative) Tom Coburn to produce legislation creating a publicly searchable database of all federal spending.

He favors high-level meetings with some of the world's worst dictators....He wants to hold an unprecedented national auction for the right to emit greenhouse gases.... Deep in his heart, I believe, he doesn't even think of [neocons] as opponents. It would not be surprising to find Republicans and independents prominent in his administration.

In his book The Audacity of Hope, he asks for a politics that accepts "the possibility that the other side might sometimes have a point". Remarking that ordinary Americans "don't always understand the arguments between right and left, conservative and liberal", Obama wants politicians "to catch up with them,"

After he received an email from a pro-life doctor, Obama recalls how he softened his website's harsh rhetoric on abortion, writing: "[T]hat night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own -- that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that the doctor had extended to me."

In short, ...Obama questions the conventional political distinctions between "the left" and "the right"....

But there is some fragility to the public fervor that envelops him. Crowds and cults can be fickle, and if some of his decisions disappoint, or turn out badly, his support will diminish. Some people think it might even collapse.

My own concern involves the importance of internal debate. The greatest American presidents (above all Lincoln and Roosevelt) benefited from robust dialogue and from advisers who avoided saying, "how wonderful you are," and were willing to say: "Mr President, your thinking about this is all wrong."

Because...so many people are treating him as a near-messiah, his advisers might be too deferential, too unwilling to question. There is a real risk here.

In the 2000 campaign, Bush proclaimed himself a "uniter, not a divider", only to turn out to be the most divisive President in memory. Because of his own certainty, and his lack of curiosity about what others might think, Bush polarized the nation. Many of his most ambitious plans went nowhere as a result.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm convinced you read a different article?

Oh, get off it.

You cut and paste and leave out the following lines, to distort the meaning of the article.

Hey, PLEASE go work for McCain full time ASAP.

You're basically a Republic right now, you're just Karl Rove pretending to be a progressive.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm convinced you read a different article?

Even Obama's closest buddies have problems with his ties to Rethugs, as evidenced above. Since there doesn't appear to be a shred of difference between who these two guys will appoint to the SCOTUS, you're throwing progressive values out the window. YOU might as well be Karl Rove pretending to be a progressive. Take your own advice and go work for McSame.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 04:44PM | 0 recs
Wait...

You're worried that Obama will eventually be surrounded by Republican sychophants?

Hell, bring it on!

by Dracomicron 2008-07-01 04:24AM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Now this actually makes sense. Unfortunately, it might not be true. What happens if McCain ups the pressure on Iran or even orders air strikes on that country? Besides oil going to $200 a barrel, I mean. That is an obvious result. It's not like McCain hasn't advocated for those actions before now. He's as likely, if not more likely, to take those steps than Bush. A broader war in the middle-east could also lead to a draft. I have no way of knowing if you are at a draftable age, but surely you have family members or friends who might be.

The most commonly mentioned consequence of a McCain presidency is also the most far-reaching. The current Supreme Court has shown that it is pro-corporate and anti-middle class. Just think how bad this will be if McCain appoints 2-3 more justices. The corporate elite will be free to rape and pillage this country without hindrance. Four years is a long time. Heck, G. W. Bush has only been in office a little over 7 years. Look what he and his cronies have managed to do to the country.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

Convince me Obama will appoint quality judges.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

That's difficult, if not impossible to do, without having names to go by. Since McCain is the only one to mention names when he talks about appointing justices I can only comment on those. McCain has said he will appoint more justices like Roberts, Scalia, and Alito. Now you may want more justices like that, but I don't.

McCain is from a privileged background and is married to a wealthy heiress. He is pro-corporate, anti-choice, and against equal pay for women. He's proven this with his words and votes. Obama is from a lower-middle class family, worked as a community organizer, and is pro-middle class, pro-choice. Which one do you think is going to appoint better judges?

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 03:03PM | 0 recs
Judges under Obama & McSame

Yes, it's difficult, if not impossible to convince folks that Obama will be any better.

Using YOUR criteria:

Obama attended elite schools and is a multi-millionaire. He's married to a wealthy corporate lawyer. Neocon economists support his candidacy. He's not committed to the reproductive rights of women, having voted `present' on seven abortion bills, including a ban on 'partial birth abortion,' two parental notification laws and three 'born alive' bills.  

He doesn't appear to be much different than McSame.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

"He's not committed to the reproductive rights of women, having voted `present' on seven abortion bills, including a ban on 'partial birth abortion,' two parental notification laws and three 'born alive' bills."

Cut the bullshit. That is the most debunked talking point around.

I'm sorry I even bothered to answer you, you chowder head!  

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

Yes, Obama was "debunked."

   During Senator Obama's 2004 senate campaign, the Illinois NOW PAC did not recommend the endorsement of Obama for U.S. Senate because he refused to stand up for a woman's right to choose and repeatedly voted `present' on important legislation.

   As a State Senator, Barack Obama voted `present' on seven abortion bills, including a ban on 'partial birth abortion,' two parental notification laws and three 'born alive' bills.  In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions.

   "When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass. He wasn't there for us then and we don't expect him to be now."

illinoisnow.org

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 03:44PM | 0 recs
What a surprise

Obama was working with Planned Parenthood, not NOW.

I'd say their opinion on reproductive rights is a little more acute than NOW's... not to denegrate that fine organization, but their scope is much broader.

by Dracomicron 2008-07-01 04:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

"We at Planned Parenthood view those as leadership votes," Pam Sutherland, the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, told ABC News. "We worked with him specifically on his strategy. The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on 'partial birth' and 'born alive'. They put these bills out all the time . . . because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/ 2007/07/obama-abortion-.html

Not sure why I'm bothering to correct you, as I'm guessing you already knew about this but are deliberately trying to distort his position.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-30 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

YOU are deliberately distorting this issue:

The National Organization for Women in Obama's home state said:

To be clear, voting "present" on those bills was a strategy that IL NOW did not support. At that time, we made it clear to the legislators that we disagreed with the strategy. We wanted legislators to take a stand against the harmful anti-choice bills being brought to the floor of the Illinois State Senate.

   Voting "present" does not demonstrate leadership and does not send the clarion signal that one is unwavering in their support of a woman's right to choose. IL NOW knew that those bills were unacceptable to women..... Senator Obama... has not taken leadership on the issue at the same level that Hillary has.

   [Obama supporters] assert that the strategy to vote "present" was devised to give political cover to legislators in conservative districts. State Senator Barack Obama did not represent a conservative district and he could have voted "no" with little negative consequence in his district.

www.illinoisnow.org

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

Obama works directly with Planned Parenthood to help him decide how to respond to abortion legislation, but somehow that means that he's not committed to the reproductive rights of women.  

Honestly, the mental gymnastics that you perform in order to twist every single possible event into an anti-Obama slam, even when the facts get in your way and are practically slamming you in the face, is truly impressive.  Bravo!

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-30 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama

Your argument isn't with me. The National Organization for Women in Obama's home state refused to support him. Those are the FACTS.

"When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass. He wasn't there for us then and we don't expect him to be now."

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama

"I'm here to set the record straight about Barack Obama's record on reproductive choice. Barack Obama has always been committed to a woman's right to choose. He has a 100% pro-choice voting record both in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois Senate.

Barack Obama has NEVER wavered.

You wouldn't know this from Illinois NOW's recent statements on Obama's record. The fact is that it is NOT Obama who has wavered, Illinois NOW is the one who's changed its mind.

When Obama was an Illinois state senator he worked with Planned Parenthood to develop a strategy combating a series of extreme anti-choice measures designed to paint pro-choice legislators into a corner. Obama and numerous other state senators voted "present" on these bills in order to protest the politicization of the health and safety of Illinois women. Illinois is one of the few states that allows legislators to voice their objections to legislation through a "present" vote. These "present" votes are counted in the official roll call of the bill, and they DO affect the outcome. For all intents and purposes, they are a vote against the bill. As a matter of fact, Senator Obama wanted to vote "no" on these bills. But, he stood with his colleagues in protest against the anti-choice extremists who controlled the Illinois Senate at the time.

During his time as a state senator, no major pro-choice organization questioned Obama's present votes. Instead, Obama received endorsements from Personal PAC, NARAL of Illinois PAC, the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, and, YES, EVEN Illinois NOW.

That's right! Illinois NOW endorsed Barack Obama in his elections in 1998 and 2002 AFTER he voted "present" on several bills. As Illinois NOW officials have stated, they were aware of the "present" vote strategy, and they still endorsed him. They also endorsed several other prominent Illinois politicians who voted the same way.

It is only after years have past that Illinois NOW has changed its mind. Apparently, these days they don't agree with the strategy that they originally endorsed. Why didn't they think that in 1998 or 2002?

I don't know why Illinois NOW has changed its opinion of Barack Obama since his record has remained the same and since his time as a state senator, he has only demonstrated a full and steady commitment to choice.

I don't take issue with Illinois NOW having a preference for a woman candidate for President. However, I do take issue with their distortion of Obama's record.

My organization has not made an endorsement yet because we have two solidly 100% pro-choice candidates running for President. However, we feel it is important to defend Senator Obama (or any candidate) who has stood with us to protect our precious reproductive freedoms.

If we don't defend people who stand with us, how can we ever expect them to be there when the going gets tough?"

http://ppaurora.blogspot.com/2008/02/set ting-record-straight-illinois-nows.html

I'm done talking to a wall.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-30 04:07PM | 0 recs
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Voting "PRESENT," no matter how you want to spin it, is an act of cowardice.

To be clear, voting "present" on those bills was a strategy that IL NOW did not support. At that time, we made it clear to the legislators that we disagreed with the strategy. We wanted legislators to take a stand against the harmful anti-choice bills being brought to the floor of the Illinois State Senate.

  Voting "present" does not demonstrate leadership and does not send the clarion signal that one is unwavering in their support of a woman's right to choose. IL NOW knew that those bills were unacceptable to women...

  [Obama supporters] assert that the strategy to vote "present" was devised to give political cover to legislators in conservative districts. State Senator Barack Obama did not represent a conservative district and he could have voted "no" with little negative consequence in his district.

The National Organization for Women -- in Obama's HOME STATE -- refused to endorse him because he did NOT stand up for the reproductive rights of women. He took the cowardly way out, and he'll do the same as President.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama

"Illinois NOW endorsed Barack Obama in his elections in 1998 and 2002 AFTER he voted "present" on several bills. As Illinois NOW officials have stated, they were aware of the "present" vote strategy, and they still endorsed him. They also endorsed several other prominent Illinois politicians who voted the same way."

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-30 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama

Illinois NOW did NOT endorse Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee for President.

When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass," said Illinois NOW President Bonnie Grabenhofer, criticizing him for voting 'present' on many key votes. "He wasn't there for us then and we don't expect him to be now."

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 08:09PM | 0 recs
some of these folks are earning McSame points..

They have all the talking points and faux cynicism.  One should not engage.

by Mae Scott 2008-06-30 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

Yes, Obama attended elite schools via merit scholarships. John McCain attended a military academy based on legacy. Obama is married to a woman from a lower middle-class family who earned a law degree and then went to work for a hospital. McCain is married to an heiress of a fortune that has Mob connections. NARAL and Planned Parenthood give Obama high marks on reproductive rights. They give McCain failing marks.

You were saying something about them being the same?

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

Yes. You seem to think Obama and McSame can be distinguished on the basis of where they went to school, who they married and their positions on reproductive rights. However, using YOUR criteria, it's plain to see:

BOTH went to elite schools. Both are multi-millionaires. BOTH married wealthy women. BOTH are alleged to have MOB connections. BOTH did not support abortion rights for women.

What again was different?

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

You are being deliberately obtuse, but that's nothing new. This discussion has gone on long enough to show what you are trying to do. I don't really need to bother with you anymore on this one.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama

Frankly, "you are being deliberately obtuse, but that's nothing new." You've not set forth a single convincing argument that Obama will appoint better judges than McSame.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Judges under Obama & McSame

img src="http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn18/ nuqueen1/mcsameeb1.jpg" border="0" alt="McSame">  

by Mae Scott 2008-06-30 04:12PM | 0 recs
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunste in

How can we convince you, when he hasn't appointed any yet?

But, THIS is the type of legal scholar Obama prefers?

We ALREADY KNOW McCain says "Judges in the mold of Scalia!"

Jesus, THIS IS NOT CLOSE HERE PEOPLE!

One is GOING TO go aapoint hard right idealogues, he has already told you that!

The other one is going to appoint the best qualified judge.

You chose?

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-30 03:28PM | 0 recs
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Xov Wonk (know vox) isn't interested in logic. He's interested in only one thing, tearing Obama down any way he can. I should know better than to engage him, but then it doesn't take much effort since his arguments are so weak and obviously flawed.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 03:44PM | 0 recs
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Sorry, but a HuffPuff fluff piece by one of Obama's classmates isn't convincing.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 03:56PM | 0 recs
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The point is, whatever is said will not sstisfy you, so one should not even engage.

by Mae Scott 2008-06-30 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

No, the point is that Supreme Court nominees under Obama and McSame don't amount to a whole lot of change.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 04:37PM | 0 recs
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You finally said something that is factually correct without twisting it. You are right. Neither one has appointed a justice yet so they have identical records on that issue.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 05:19PM | 0 recs
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It's also a fact that -- based on your criteria -- both men have similar backgrounds and will appoint similar justices.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 05:23PM | 0 recs
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Now you are just being annoying. Not that you aren't always annoying, just more annoying than usual.

I would agree they have similar backgrounds, except that they don't. I would agree that they would appoint similar justices, if they didn't agree on almost every issue that might be affected by SC rulings. One is for women's rights, one isn't. One is pro-choice, one isn't. One is pro-middle-class, one isn't. One favors business, one doesn't. One objects to civil rights abuses, one doesn't. One supported the recent court ruling on habeas, one didn't. Obama is on the right side of every one of those issues. McCain isn't.

Go ahead and continue arguing otherwise. You've already managed to make a fool of yourself. It can't get much worse.

Have a good day. :)

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 05:29PM | 0 recs
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...didn't disagree on almost every issue...

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 05:29PM | 0 recs
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Let's review. You stated:

McCain is from a privileged background and is married to a wealthy heiress. He is pro-corporate, anti-choice, and against equal pay for women. He's proven this with his words and votes. Obama is from a lower-middle class family, worked as a community organizer, and is pro-middle class, pro-choice. Which one do you think is going to appoint better judges?

I responded:

Obama attended elite schools and is a multi-millionaire. He's married to a wealthy corporate lawyer. Neocon economists support his candidacy. He's not committed to the reproductive rights of women, having voted `present' on seven abortion bills, including a ban on 'partial birth abortion,' two parental notification laws and three 'born alive' bills.  

  He doesn't appear to be much different than McSame.

You've utterly failed to show how Obama would appoint justices any different than McCain.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 06:11PM | 0 recs
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You don't want to be shown anything. All you want to do is drag this thing on and on. Typical trollish behavior. I have only myself to blame. I've known you were a troll since the day you showed up with the semordnilap username. You removed any possible doubt with your first 2-3 posts.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 06:32PM | 0 recs
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As I've said, you've utterly failed to show how Obama would appoint justices any different than McCain. Make all the personal and untrue attacks you want. It doesn't negate the FACTS.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 07:08PM | 0 recs
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The world won't come crashing down? Ask the thousands of dead Iraqis and our soldiers families
what world they have left.
by Politicalslave 2008-06-30 04:19PM | 0 recs
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International war and peace does not impact you at all? Or the global and national economy? How about the fate of the global ecosystem?

Do you live naked in the deep forests of the Canadian wilderness? And even if you did, would you really want the rest of the world to suffer under 4 years of John "Bomb Iran" McCain?

by LandStander 2008-06-30 03:52PM | 0 recs
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No offense intended, but are you elderly and independently wealthy?  Without kids or grandkids?  Because that seems like the only way global warming, gas prices, melting ice caps, the Iraq War, terrorism, and abortion won't affect you.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-06-30 05:13PM | 0 recs
Would you like to start trusting our food again?

Or have a tomato on your burger?  The reason we have all these food scares is because the FDA is one of the agencies that has been rendered impotent by the Republicans.

by GFORD 2008-06-30 08:47PM | 0 recs
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I think I know what this commenter means.

Obviously a lot of things will be different whether a Democrat or a Republican is in charge. But a lot of the things that we most care about aren't likely to affect us personally.

My primary issue is health care (and I still think Hillary was by far the best candidate on that), but right now I'm lucky enough to have health care and whether or not we get universal health care won't affect me personally.

I'm an environmentalist, but I'm not likely to ever visit ANWR, and I won't notice if we drill for oil there or not. Offshore rigs will be ugly, but I may never see them. If we log this forest or blow the top off that mountain, I'll probably never know about it unless I read about it in the news.

Telecom immunity is ridiculous, but would I actually notice if they had to fork over a few hundred million dollars in settlements?

Gay marriage is a long overdue step towards equality and justice, and I think the people who are leading the charge will be remembered fondly by history. I do have a few friends who will probably get married now, and I'm happy as hell for them, but again, it's not an issue that affects me directly.

The death penalty is an obsolete act of official revenge, but I don't plan on committing any capital offenses, and would probably prefer it to life without parole in any case.

I live in a state where abortion will almost certainly always be legal, no matter what the Supreme Court does.

Does this mean that I don't care about these issues, or what they mean to other people? No, of course not. But most of these are abstract things to most of us. We care about them not for ourselves, but for society at large.

by OrangeFur 2008-06-30 11:51PM | 0 recs
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Yes, thats what I meant. Mojo coming your way.

by bsavage 2008-07-01 02:19PM | 0 recs
Nice Diary

Great story!  Rec'ed.

How long are rotors supposed to last anyway?

I'm no mechanic, but I believe you should almost never need new rotors -- if you replace the pads when needed.  If you're lazy about the pads, they wear through and the rotors get damaged, but are often salvageable.  Of course, shops make bigger bucks off selling rotors.

by xeju 2008-06-30 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice Diary

my brake pads were only 50% worn.  The problem, as explained by the guys at firestone, is that the winter time, with the salt on the road, pits the rotors and ages them.

I don't have a garage, so I can't keep my car inside.  I guess I will have to turn a high pressured water hose on them weekly in the wintertime to get rid of the salt buildup.  

I have a mazda and they have those "open" hubcaps and that allows the salt to get in easier.  

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice Diary

Cole,
I am a mechanic and I would suggest that you ask around among your friends and find where they get their brakes done and how often they must get their rotors replaced. You might be surprised to find that you are being annually milked by the "friendly" techs at Firestone. Rotors are much more expensive and offer the dealer a wider profit margin than merely replacing the disc pads themselves.

If your brake pads were only 50% worn, why were you in the shop anyways? Were you there just for a regular oil change and without asking, they pulled your tires off and inspected your brakes? Classic rip-off shop scam, especially because they "discovered" your rotors needed replacing only a year after the rotors had last been replaced.

Any pits caused by salt (I laughed out loud at that one) or minor grooves in the rotor caused by semi-metallic brake pads can be easily shaved away by a simple turning of the brake rotor on a brake lathe at much less cost than actual replacement of the rotor. A brake rotor can only be shaved so many times before it is shaved too thin to properly dissipate the heat of braking, but rotors should last you many more brake jobs than the pads which grab them. We're talking years here.

One tip about extending the life of your brake pads: It is surprising how many people who never learned to drive a stick shift and have only driven automatics drive with the right foot on the gas and the left foot always perched on the brake pedal. Often times those folks are unconsciously driving while they are braking.

It takes only the slightest pressure on your brake pedal for the brakes to begin to apply. Have you ever been driving behind someone and wondered why their brake lights unusually keep coming on or stay lit while they are normally driving straight ahead? It's that left foot rested on the brake pedal, ever so lightly applying the brakes but wearing the pads out prematurely and overheating both the pads and rotors at the same time.

That kind of driving behavior can get you a new set of rotors almost every year and certainly more disc pads than warranted if one would only use just the right foot to either accelerate or brake. Don't use both feet when driving an automatic.

Lastly, there are now three types of brake pads:

The older ones made of organic material which are softer and wear out quicker, but cheaper in cost than the following and much cheaper than rotors. I run organic pads on both my vehicles.

Semi-metallic which are a combo of organic and metal particles and often come with lifetime guarantees, but the embedded metal will also eat your rotors up faster and that embedded metal is also what causes the high-pitched howling or unusual deep grinding noises when the pads grab onto the rotors each time you brake. Manufacturer brake pads of semi-metallic are specifically made with "softer" metal particles than the rotor. Some after market semi-metallics may have a harder metal than the rotors (thus their lifetime guarantee), but your expensive rotors wear out quicker.

Third type of disc pad is a new ceramic type. Very expensive, but I don't know any one who is running those yet.

Very lastly, okay you live where they salt. But water is just as damaging to metal as salt. And unless you are going to put your car up on a lift and hose down both sides of the brake mechanism on each wheel, you're wasting your time.

Drive careful!  :-)

by RickWn 2008-06-30 09:10PM | 0 recs
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Nice diary!
Very nice indeed!
by Radiowalla 2008-06-30 02:14PM | 0 recs
Imagine that...

you've probably done more today to help our nation and our party than most of the fools in Washington.  Thanks.  I agree with you that the bright and happy approach does not work with all voters.  We as volunteers and supporters of Obama need to recognize that.  I was inspired by Obama, but I can understand that others were not.  In the end, it wasn't about the feeling that I received from Obama's words and actions; it is the work that we as a community can do to improve this nation that will bring about the change of which Obama has spoken.  So thank you for doing more than most including myself today.

by nklein 2008-06-30 02:19PM | 0 recs
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Hey, nicely done. I expect a lot of Hillary supporters will have opportunities such as yours. We don't have to be enthusiastic to know the dem nominee is the way to go.

by linfar 2008-06-30 02:28PM | 0 recs
opportunity's knocking....

You're not a Hillary supporter, and the last time I checked, we won't have a nominee until the convention when all the delegate votes are counted.

by Xov Wonk 2008-06-30 02:52PM | 0 recs
Speak of the Devil

and he shall appear.

by semiquaver 2008-06-30 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: opportunity's knocking....

Linfar was one of Hillary's strongest supporters before she conceded to Obama. Linfar has accepted the reality of the situation and is trying to do what Hillary asked her to do. Apparently you aren't ready to take that step. If you were ever a Hillary supporter in the first place and not simply someone who is trying to disrupt the Democratic party.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-30 03:06PM | 0 recs
The convention

A chance for lots of rah rah but won't change anything.  

by GFORD 2008-06-30 08:54PM | 0 recs
Oh come on Know Vox...

No, of course she's not. We were all really Obama operatives masquerading for Hillary supporters for years, only awaiting this particular moment to say "in your face Hillary supporter!".

Right. Sure. Yep.

by DemAC 2008-06-30 10:20PM | 0 recs
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Hi there.  I was just thinking about how all the articulate and intelligent Clinton supporters such as yourself swallowed their pride and did what they had to do to get a progressive in the white house (especially that includes Sen. Clinton herself), and all the nasty ones either trotted off to no quarter or morphed into bona fide trolls.

During the primary there were lots of allegations from both sides that a bunch of people here were paid bloggers, which I think was more or less nonsense.  The same charge gets tossed at some people on the site right now, but I think that if they're being paid, their employers are getting ripped off.

by semiquaver 2008-06-30 02:53PM | 0 recs
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Obama makes me very nervous, and I'm having a hard time getting beyond it.  Indeed, it gets worse as we go along.  His capitulation on FISA, his defending the Supreme Court's recent gun ruling, among other things.

My sense is that Obama is a pleaser and doesn't want to anger anyone.  I think that is not a good trait for a prospective president.

Will I vote for him?  Yes, unenthusiastically like yourself.  

Re: your car/gas prices. I happen to think the claims that the world is running out of oil is BS, meant to manipulate the market. Funny how environmentalists are helping this, if they didn't actually cause it!  Talk about a backfire!

Anyway, I drive a Toyota Matrix.  I've begun hypermiling to try to extend a tank of gas.  I've raised my mileage from 33.4 mpg. to 38 mpg, and I am getting 100+ miles more on a tank of gas.  Hypermiling really does work, but you have to be patient and conscientious of your surroundings.  I also drive a manual transmission, which makes hypermiling easier than with an auto transmission.

by Juno 2008-06-30 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

what is hypermiling?

I know that I have been doing all of my errands after work, on the way home, for several years now (almost 13 years).  That has helped me in extending my gas.  

I also have a manual, so I am very interested in it.

The world is running out of oil, imho.  Oil is fossil fuel and we've probably tapped out on it.  At any rate, I am a firm believer in tapping into cleaner and more enviro-friendly fuels for the future.  Even if we had another 100 years of oil, we should be weaning ourselves off of it now.  

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 03:16PM | 0 recs
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I probably should have added that I am all for new, clean energy technology. I don't see it as oil OR...

I just don't buy the claims that the prices are due to supply issues and that we're running out.  I think oil companies sense that new technology is around the corner, so they're gouging while they can.

Hypermiling is basically coasting as often as you can.  If you are going downhill, throw your car into neutral and go as long as is safely possible.  If you are coming upon a red light or a stop sign, coast to it.  On the highway, if you are hypermiling, do it in the right-hand lane for safety reasons.  Be patient.  It really pays off. I literally went from getting 365 miles on a tank to 465.  Oh, another part of hypermiling is to try to not go above 60 on the highway, and keep your speed as steady as possible.  

Once you start doing it, it actually becomes an interesting challenge, and you get better at it as you go along, ie: gauging when to let up heading toward a red light, when to see opportunities for coasting, etc.

Good luck.  It really works.

by Juno 2008-06-30 03:23PM | 0 recs
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thanks!!  Good tips and I hope others read this as well :)

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 03:26PM | 0 recs
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here's an interesting trivia fact:

A friend of mind just bought a Prius (really cool car, btw, but lightweight and not a lot of horsepower).  I spend $8 more on gas than he does to go the same distance, but I paid $7,000 less for the car!

Ha!

by Juno 2008-06-30 03:34PM | 0 recs
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"Running out of oil" is complicated thing to discuss because it depends on how much you are willing to pay for it. There is plenty of oil that is very expensive to access, but if we are all willing to pay $6/gallon for gas, that oil becomes profitable and will be tapped. At $10/gallon there is even more, and so on.

But do we really want to spend even more money digging out even more oil to pollute the environment even more than we already have?

As for environmentalists causing high gas prices, I enthusiastically urge you to do a little research on the topic. There are many, many factors driving up the price of oil and environmental activists are hardly a factor when compared to the 3 billion people in the developing world who all just decided they want to drive cars, or the international cabal of mostly-authoritarian regimes that regulates oil output, or the instability in major oil producing nations, etc etc etc etc etc

by LandStander 2008-06-30 03:49PM | 0 recs
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I'm not saying environmentalists are causing high gas prices.  I agree with them that we need to find other, cleaner sources of energy.

But what I'm saying is that their having spent years insisting that we are running out of oil has given oil companies an excuse to gouge people.  I think the claim coming from both parties is bogus and made for political reasons on each's part.

I also don't agree that it's costly to access more oil.  I probably sound naive or obstinate, but the way the oil industry is, I just don't buy it.

They're gouging and manipulating us and the market.

by Juno 2008-06-30 03:53PM | 0 recs
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I really enjoyed your diary. I imagine these conversations across Ameica aren't as rare as we might think. Thank you again

by Politicalslave 2008-06-30 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

I haven't read your full diary yet; I will after I post this comment.  I have been driving foreign made cars since I graduated from college, so I have  never been able to personally take a car to Firestone.  But everyone I know who has ever taken their car to Firestone does nothing but complain.  After reading the first few sentences of your diary, I thought I might offer my two cents, which is, based on word of mouth, don't take your car to Firestone.  :)

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-30 03:29PM | 0 recs
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I just read your diary completely.  I think it is an excellent post.  
Rec'd.
While my support for Obama may be more tepid than yours, I appreciate the "soul-searching" Hillary's supporters are undergoing to bring Unity to the party, and to vote for principles that the Dem party supports.  As you have witnessed, there is work to do in the Dem party to get all of Hillary's voters to support Obama.
by ChitownDenny 2008-06-30 03:45PM | 0 recs
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I found a tiny mom-and-pop tire guy. I will only take my car to him for tire stuff now.  Never again will I go to one of those big chains.

I like that I'm helping to keep this nice, honest man in business and keeping his family's income going.

It'd be so nice to see this country return to mom-and-pop retail.

by Juno 2008-06-30 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....

my firestone is pretty good - I've been going there for a few years now.

the rotor thing is new to me.  The factory installed ones - replaced after 2 years by the dealership when it was still under warranty and now 2 1/2 years later, replaced again.

it is the salt in the winter and the open hubcaps on the mazda.  

by colebiancardi 2008-06-30 04:25PM | 0 recs
You did fine

I think it is better for lukewarm supporters to talk to each other and persuade each other.

If they run into a true believer like me I may be a little off putting.

You started out with common ground because you both voted for HRC and that was a good place to begin the conversation.

I think it was a definite plus that you had this bonding conversation with another Dem today.

by TrueBlueMajority 2008-06-30 03:29PM | 0 recs
I like hearing personal stories...

It's a good thing it was you and not me because I would have blurted out... "I don't like either one." Just being honest :D

by soyousay 2008-06-30 04:09PM | 0 recs
Tipped and recced.

Great story!

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-30 04:20PM | 0 recs
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I am not the best spokesperson for Senator Obama

I'm not sure this is true.

As a Hillary supporter who's backing the Democratic nominee, you probably are more influential on the opinions of a random undecided voter than most Obama die hards could be.

In fact, I think there's an important point here.  If you come across as someone who believes in a politician 100%, you won't seem genuine in a country where most politicians aren't trusted.  Because you admitted your skepticism, your coming around probably seemed much more genuine...and persuasive.

 

by freedom78 2008-06-30 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning

Barack Obama will make a formidable Nominee.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-06-30 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: So, I was at Firestone Tires this morning.....
Tipped and rec'd!!
Nice diary. Thanks for posting it.
As to your rotors, let me preface this comment by telling you I live in Northern IL so I know what damage road salt can do.  Also, I own a car that is 10 years old and I have never needed to replace the rotors.
I'm sorry to say this but IMHO you are being taken to the cleaners by unscrupulous mechanics.  In most cases rotors can be turned (ground down) instead of being replaced. The mechanics won't tell you that though because rotors are expensive parts with a hefty markup tacked on by the shop adding to your cost and the shops coffers.
 
by PurpleMyst 2008-07-01 07:55AM | 0 recs
inspiration to attack females

...but Obama did inspire a lot of people.  

I've often wondered why the Obama campaign inspired so much open hatred against women and girls.

by Nancy Kallitechnis 2008-07-01 12:28PM | 0 recs

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