Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I understand Sen. Obama, periodically, when he is feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost his appeal.  (parody of Obama)  That can be the only explanation for Obama's emotional attack on Sen. Clinton today as detailed in CNN's Political Ticker and on MSNBC.

Obama was described by CNN as "visibly agitated" with his "voice rising", as he responded to Sen. Clinton's retorts to his comments about people in small-town America as being "bitter" about their economic lot, and therefore clinging to religion and guns, as he said; "She knows better. Shame on her. Shame on her." Although his response had a shrill component, there was no report of any cackling on his part.

Obama then decided to throw the kitchen sink at Clinton.  In a feeble attempt to get back at Clinton and to demean her support of the Second Amendment right to gun ownership, he accused her of "talking like she's Annie Oakley...packing a six-shooter."

Obama went on to note that he has consistently spoken about his support of the Second Amendment ABC News Political Radar.  In the interest of accuracy, however, I will note that Obama has stated that he "not in favor of concealed weapons" whereas both Clinton and McCain are opposed to out-lawing them. Pittsburgh Tribune-Review 4/2/08.   It is noted by   CNN that Obama supports a national law against carrying concealed weapons, with exceptions only for retired police and military personnel.

Obama's emotional response and inaccurate attempt to make his position on the Second Amendment comparable to Sen. Clinton's,  demonstrates that Obama and his campaign advisors are in a bit of a panic over his recent gaffe, and their fear that he will not be able to count on the vote of small-town America in the upcoming primaries.  It also demonstrates that he is not used to the negative media response he is getting now, and doesn't know how to respond.

It most certainly raises serious questions about Sen. Obama's electability in the general election should he be the nominee.

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Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I think he's feeling quite up.  Up in delegates, up in $$, up in states...

Feelin' mighty fine!

by Hope08 2008-04-13 07:35PM | 0 recs

Obama saw the latest Rasmussen poll.

by izarradar 2008-04-13 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe

Or the Zogby poll

by poserM 2008-04-13 08:12PM | 0 recs
Or perhaps he saw this

from Rasmussen:

Sixty-two percent (62%) of all voters now believe that Barack Obama will win the Democratic Presidential nomination. That's up from 54% in late March. Just 23% now believe Hillary Clinton will be the nominee, down from 24% in March.
Among Democrats 63% expect Obama to win (up from 52%) while 26% say it will be Clinton (down from 28%). Rasmussen Markets currently suggests that Obama has an 82.4 % chance of winning the nomination.

by bookish 2008-04-14 07:06AM | 0 recs
When the going gets tough..

the tough get going.. or so they say..

Is Obama tough enough to win the GE? And what if he wins? Can he sit still and not fidget during those long sessions on economics (perhaps his weakest area) and foreign policy? Obama has a reputation for being very impatient, how will that pan out when he has to fight for controversial or unpopular (with the special interest groups of one kind or another) programs.

Or will he fight for them?

by architek 2008-04-14 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: When the going gets tough..

Economics? McTemper doesn"t hold a candle to Obama on understanding of economics... I am not worried about that one at all.

Fighting for unpopular positions? Obama didn't wait holding his finger in the wind when he criticized the Iraq War.

Obama presidency will be a major league show, unlike the 8 years of Bush league leadership... Obama will be able to accomplish much more than the "My Pet Goat" administration.

The biggest problem is that Bushco have made such a mess of things it will take a huge effort to clean up the mess.

by Stumptown Dave 2008-04-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: When the going gets tough..

Show me examples of his reputation for impatience.

Your problem, a, is that you make unfounded claims with no substance to back them up. And most of the time, they're distractions from the original argument anyway. I guess it's got to be tough to incorporate the idea that most people see the writing on the wall already into your partisan vision of things. It's got to be especially tough when that writing is in six foot tall block letters right in front of you.

by bookish 2008-04-14 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: When the going gets tough..

Really?  Obama's impatient?  I've been following this campaign as closely as anyone, and your claim is the first time I've heard this.  Source, please?

by writerswrite 2008-04-14 09:38AM | 0 recs
Mighty fine indeed

And this speech was an outstanding counterpunch.  This thing is just about done.  Hillary is sputtering out.  

The Annie Oakley bit is outstanding.  I like when Barack gets a little pissed.

And BTW, opposing conceal carry is not the same as opposing the 2nd amendment.  The right to conceal carry is not guaranteed.

by nwgates 2008-04-13 11:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Mighty fine indeed

Really?  Seems to me he's coming unglued.  Comments like those he made April 6th have been the kiss of death to far more qualified candidates than Barack Obama (John Kerry comes to mind, Michael Dukakis, Gary Hart).  Problem is, Obama just can't hide his condescension anymore.  This is the reason Hillary Clinton refuses to concede and will take her campaign to the Convention, and win.

by mddem08 2008-04-14 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Mighty fine indeed

aah the speech. I saw it as a cry of desperation, of Obama calling out to his minions in the media like Olberman and co. to come to his rescue (another special comment perhaps?), to save him from the bad bad Hillary Clinton who is not rolling over and giving up like he (and they) want her to.

by tarheel74 2008-04-14 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Mighty fine indeed

Gee, maybe he was just frustrated that half the progressive blogosphere was cheerfully rubbing their hands together in anticipation of this being his downfall....

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-14 06:06AM | 0 recs
as opposed to the other 'half'

that has been doing the same to her for months now? What a poor baby to have what he sent around coming back around at him!

by zerosumgame 2008-04-14 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: as opposed to the other 'half'

well, when "the other half" keeps claiming they will vote for McCain instead of the Democratic nominee, that would indeed be frustrating...

I will save my "poor baby" comment for whatever side loses this thing and then cries about it....

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-14 01:47PM | 0 recs
that is pure BS

idiots from both camps have said that and you trying to make the claim it is only from one side is simply a lie. no way around it, you lied. which makes you no better then the woman you so love to demonize.

now how about that!

by zerosumgame 2008-04-14 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Mighty fine indeed

In his frustration, maybe he'll cling to his religion, if not his guns.

by AnnC 2008-04-14 08:57AM | 0 recs
Campbell Brown

certainly tried to come to his rescue last night. Not sure how successful she was. I only watched a few minutes of Sen. Obama after Hillary Clinton was done. I can only take so much of the "".

by georgiapeach 2008-04-14 07:51AM | 0 recs
Uprated for TR abuse

by bookish 2008-04-14 07:07AM | 0 recs

So you like falsehood-based attacks?

by Trickster 2008-04-14 08:23AM | 0 recs
You've got that backwards

Obama is not the "gotcha" and willfully misleading candidate.  I'm sure you don't agree, and that's fine.  Most voters have and will agree with me.

by nwgates 2008-04-15 03:49PM | 0 recs
cworld78, You Need To Read the Guidlines

for troll-rating comments.  We do not troll-rate a comment simply because we disagree with it.

Go here and learn:

Uprated here and above by a Hillary supporter.

by creeper1014 2008-04-14 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Memphis was "up" through most of the second half.

by johnnygunn 2008-04-14 03:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

It's possible that you might not understand how this whole "delegate" thing works.  I know, with all the speeches and the crazy talk it can be confusing.

by Mostly 2008-04-14 03:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I do -  

NEITHER candidate will have enough delegates going into Denver.
Obama may also have 8 out of 10 late primary losses.

by johnnygunn 2008-04-14 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Obama may also have 8 out of 10 late primary losses.

HA!  I'd say Obama is pretty safe in OR, NC and MT.      I also like his chances in SD and IN.

Hillary doesn't just need wins, she needs blowouts.  The SD's are slowly starting to speak and it's a landslide in Obama's favor.  He's picked up over 70 new SD's since Feb 5th while Hillary's SD support is shedding.  She was 'minus-2' for the same (Feb5th until now) period last I checked.

Hillary will probably stay in through NC, which will really help Democratic voter registration numbers.  As for her campaign, it's 'too little, too late'...

by power of truth 2008-04-14 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Uprated ridiculous TR.

by creeper1014 2008-04-14 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

As you know, when you challenge change, the claws come out.

by zcflint05 2008-04-13 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

That is true, but he refrained from tearing up.

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Are you sure? I thought he was a little misty eyed. He didn't become misty eyed over Katrina though, did he?

by DemAC 2008-04-14 01:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

You guys are too funny.  LOL.

by JoeySky18 2008-04-14 02:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I'm an Obama supporter and wasn't a fan of the whole Annie Oakley reference. That being said, this back and forth between the two candidates feels a bit like the chicken-and-the-egg conundrum. Yet I cannot help but feel like Senator Clinton hits harder and more often, given how she's way behind in this race.

And speaking of electability, how many diaries do you think could've been written on MyDD about Obama's inelectability if the current results of the Obama-McCain and Clinton-McCain Poll Watchers on this site were reversed?

by lizardbox 2008-04-13 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I saw the video and he did seem like he was walking on a slant , not his finest moment.

he accused her of "talking like she's Annie Oakley...packing a six-shooter."  

- lol he spoke about Annie the way a Yankee would .She is not just a gun tottin lady you know. If Hillary Clinton wanted to have fun with that she could , because he just talked about her the way someone who didn't know much about her would.

The irony is that her parents were from Pennsylvania and they were small town folks and she was a pioneer for women and a hero on a lot of issues besides packing a 22 .She was a pretty determined lady like Hillary Clinton is and thrived despite so many adversity .

Obama should stop digging.

by lori 2008-04-13 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

His comment was in response to Hillary's comical pandering claims to being a hunter as a girl. It was classic overreach.  The Annie Oakley reference was golden because it calls out how buffoonish her whole "we went hunting thing" was. She's trying to milk Obama's comments so bad and misconstruing them over and over that it's backfiring. Then she hands out "I'm Not Bitter" stickers? Man, she is just tone deaf.

by elrod 2008-04-13 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

He didn't look too good in that video.

He looked like he got riled up and thats never good for a politician.

Bill Clinton would look snug as a bug making that reference to Annie but he might just have made things worse for himself.

by lori 2008-04-13 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Yeah, the Annie reference was golden because he used a caricature of an American heroine to disparage his female opponent.  The fact that his remark was intended to insult Hillary yet didn't quite insult her, given Annie's legacy, just makes the thing seem all the more bizarre and random.

My gut reaction was, "I don't know what the heck he's trying to say but I'm pretty sure I don't like it."

I don't see women responding well to him, in "bitter frustration (ha!) with the media," divining what he beleves to be a negative female characterization and slapping it on Hillary.

by BPK80 2008-04-14 02:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

He doesn't think Annie Oakley is a negative... he was making fun of Hillary for pretending she was Annie Oakley.

It would be like Obama telling a story about how his grandfather taught him how to kill bears when he was a kid, and Hillary called him "Davy Crockett". Nothing demeaning about Davy Crockett in that... she'd be making fun of Obama's blatently political pander of bear-killing.

by dantes 2008-04-14 09:10AM | 0 recs
he was complimenting her?

You're kidding, right? You think he compared her to Annie because he admires Annie and wanted to compliment Hillary by making a flattering and positive comparison?  I don't think that's in the talking points. He's upset, he had meant his remarks to be off the record, secret, not to be revealed to the regular people who don't attend grand-a-head fundraisers in San Francisco. So, he's trying to blame anyone but himself.  it's funny.  He's not used to being on the defensive, and that's cause he's generally on the offensive. Only this time he was too offensive.  

by anna shane 2008-04-14 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Oh Good Lord!  I Obama crapped on the carpet you would wax eloquent of its fine odor and texture.  Really, are you so enamored you are absolutely incapable of conceiving that he might make a mistake?

by dhonig 2008-04-14 04:50AM | 0 recs

by JimR 2008-04-14 06:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

 Annie for Prez
by gunner 2008-04-14 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I just saw the video -- he looked positively UNpresidential -- just like Howard Dean's infamous Scream!

by mddem08 2008-04-14 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Most progressive democrats would recognize the alleged "Dean scream" for what it was - a youtube-fed absurdity of media overreaction to a non-event.

It's precisely reactions such as yours that makes me despair about democracy in this country - maybe even bitter.

by Sumo Vita 2008-04-14 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Perhaps Senator Obama would like some apt comparisons between Malcolm X and himself? Didn't think so.

by zcflint05 2008-04-13 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Scroll down - No Quarter has already cooked up a fake poster that does just that.

by Mostly 2008-04-14 02:41AM | 0 recs
Get off your High Horses

I think it was brilliant...and what you saw was not was anger. HRC has adopted a right wing attack on comments that her campaign, her surrogates, and other democrats have said for the last 20 years. Her fake outrage is being called out by him...and many others as this drags on. This will backfire.

And before you even begin to chastise Obama...lets not forget the way Clinton ridiculed Obama in Rhode Island. Remember the sky opening up. Believe me - he is a fighter. Chicago Style.

ANd finally...HRC needs to get back to church..her love of Esther is not exactly a pro-woman talking point. Someone screwed the pooch when they gave her that gem.

by Newcomer 2008-04-13 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Get off your High Horses

Oh, puleese... get off it.   When Clinton responds to Obama, she is anxious, or moody; when Obama responds it is anger, apparently righteous, according to you.  I guess it must be different rules.

And why exactly is loving Esther not exactly a "pro-woman" talking point?  I am Jewish and find Esther to be a compelling selfless hero, and I take offense when you make that statement about a positive role model in my religion!!!

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Get off your High Horses

And just how do you see this as Clinton 'responding'  - she calculated this response from the top down and has been milking it to the point that even the MSM are beginning to call bull shit.

Regarding Esther - if you took offense I apologize - but I respectfully think there are better role models.

by Newcomer 2008-04-13 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Get off your High Horses

If you look at the link I posted, it shows that the comparison was made by a supporter.  Nevertheless, Queen Esther is an excellent role model in my view because of the selfless actions she took on behalf of our people.  When I was younger I was more of a Vashti fan (and I still like her spunk) but you have to go into the story deeper, and see that Esther realize she had no choice but to sublimate her own needs and wants for a higher purpose.

Regarding Clinton's response, she was given the opportunity and ran with it.  I don't think you can honestly say that Obama has not taken advantage of missteps by Clinton, could you?

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Get off your High Horses

The Obama campaigns reactions have not even come close to those of Clinton. And you all know it - but try to deny it or blame it on CNN.

I am sorry - but after this fake indignation (and it is fake - b/c HRC knows very well what Obama meant...and if she was a democrat she would have either laid off or supported Obama)...she makes me kinda sick.

by Newcomer 2008-04-13 08:32PM | 0 recs
She is a Democrat, as am I

but why does that mean we are required to support Obama.  A campaign is a race.  Each of the candidates is  trying to win?  What is wrong with taking whatever advantage you can find?  I don't think she has acted dishonorably here.

I also don't think her indignation is "fake" although some try to paint i that way.

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: She is a Democrat, as am I

Sorry...the indignation is fake - because what Obama said is completely true and it is a democratic talking point.  And she also knows that his comments were about voting habits and not the voters. But she doesnt care.

People who are in economic distress often vote against their own best interests b/c of social issues. Do you not agree? J. Webb said this in 2006 - but also the Big Dog Clinton, too, when he was up against things in 1992.

The response to his words was too calculated, too over-the-top, and too damn angry for it to be anything by politics (as Obama said in his wonderful counterpunch this evening). Bumper stickers? Do you really think that is normal?

Fine...its politics...but you will never make me believe that she does not agree with Obama.

But you are right - she is trying to use everything to her advantage - I just hate to see it done so hand-in-hand with Republican talking points about Dems being elite, Dems not being patriotic, Dems not being religious, etc...that to me is very sad and makes me really hope that if she is the nominee I am able to rest from this primary...b/c she lost my vote this weekend. She may get it back  - but I am mad as hell right now and can barely stand to hear/see her.

by Newcomer 2008-04-13 09:10PM | 0 recs
Re: She is a Democrat, as am I

#1 - I thought Obama was the one who said "just words?"  So now his words don't matter?  We are just supposed to understand his intent and give him the benefit of the doubt, just like they understood that Bill and Hillary are not racists?

#2 - I used to agree but actually in this election, if Hillary is not the nominee, the social issues may be a short-term casualty  of this election.

#3 - Um, this is politics, and if she has someone to get bumper stickers out quickly. more power to her.

#4 - I feel the same way about Obama.

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 10:17PM | 0 recs
Re: She is a Democrat, as am I

"We are just supposed to understand his intent and give him the benefit of the doubt"


OR, you could be Rovian about it, but you do run the risk of overreaching.  If most people understood what he meant, and I think they do, they'll shake their heads in embarrassment at what Hillary Clinton is doing.  At present count, the only people offended are William Kristol and Michelle Malkin.  And Alegre.

I think the fact that Obama was completely mum about Tuzla speaks volumes when compared with this latest shenanigan from Senator Clinton.

by Mostly 2008-04-14 02:18AM | 0 recs
I strongly disagree

What's damaging about this thing is that Democrats are vulnerable to the kinds of associations that Obama laid out for all to see at the SF fundraiser.  Democrats needs to energetically distance themselves from any suggestion of looking down on non-urbanites for the things Obama said they cling to, and particularly religion.  That's just a fatal association for the Party; it must be energetically rejected, and if Obama's not going to be the one to reject it, Clinton has to step up.

by Trickster 2008-04-14 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: I strongly disagree

You probably have a point Trickster. This attack is at least giving Obama a chance to confront the issue directly. And he is best when doing this.

by Newcomer 2008-04-14 10:51AM | 0 recs
I'm a Jewess, and I'll admit it...

I can't stand Esther.  For a "compelling, selfless hero," she's amazingly incapable of making plans on her own...Mordechai has to give her marching orders throughout the story.  And what, exactly, does she do?  Look pretty, and use that beauty to influence the king.  She's essentially the Miss America of Jewish history--yet you call her a great role model?  Spare me.

If I ask for a great female Jewish role model, give me Judith.  Give me Tamar.  Give me Miriam.  Give me Deborah.  Give me Yael.  Give me Shifra and Puah.  Give me Zelophechad's daughters.  Give me Tzipporah.  Give me Leah.  Give me Michal.  Give me Abigail.  Give me Hannah.  Give me Bruriah.  Give me the Maid of Ludmir.  Give me Dona Gracia Nasi.  Give me Sarah Aaronson.  Give me Hannah Szennes.  But Esther?  No thanks--you can keep her!

by Elsinora 2008-04-14 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm a Jewess, and I'll admit it...

I am familiar with everyone you listed, and I agree that they are all wonderful role models, but they all had different attributes and qualities.

If you look at Esther, I will agree that she is not a fighter, as are many of the woman on her list, she is not a scholar, as are some of the other others, but she is a woman who embodies modesty and selflessness living in the diaspora (unlike most of the others you include in your list) and subject to capricious revenge by Haman and others.  As a result of her environment, she has to sacrifice herself for the good of her people.  She was, as we are told, blessed with beauty, and she used that to impact the King, just as Judith used her feminine charms against Holofernes.  The difference between those two is that Judith used violence, and Esther used words and pursuasive ability.

As a feminist, I had a hard time seeing Esther's strengths, but eventually I did see the value of the way she acted.  Of course, you are free to disagree.

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 10:07AM | 0 recs
To me, the common factor in the women I listed...

is not that they were violent or that they were scholars (Shifra and Puah, Tamar, and Leah certainly didn't fit either of those categories), but that they could both make a plan and act on it themselves.  Esther could not plan--she had to be given marching orders.  So, while I respect her selflessness in going to see the king unannounced, I will never be able to see her as someone I would want a daughter of mine to emulate.  Self-sacrifice and modesty untempered by an ability to be forward and calculating when the situation calls for it is not a virtue--it is a recipe for docility, subservience, and abuse.

by Elsinora 2008-04-14 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: To me, the common factor

I don't know what stream of Judaism you follow (I am Conservative), but don't you accept that in Judaism, part of the point about doing mitzvot is because the Torah commands us to?  Its not just because we agree with it.  I think that in a group, one has to be willing to sacrifice a bit of "me"ism for the benefit of the group.  That being said, that attribute needs to be balanced with the other qualities you mention.  That is why all those woman are excellent role models.

For point of argument, had Esther not acted as she did, one might say that Haman's plan might have worked.  I think the point is, her action was right for the time and the situation.

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 10:31AM | 0 recs
I'm "Reformative".

I was raised in a Reform shul, but my mother was raised--and really raised me--Conservative.  I'm kind of a mix of the two.

I really don't see how following the mitzvot is at all relevant here, sorry.  Like I said, Esther was a dutiful follower, but what makes a role model is leadership and initiative, and she doesn't have that.  And when it comes to the mitzvot, following blindly is insufficient.  You have to take the initiative, especially on the positive mitzvot like "saving a life", for it to really count.  Esther didn't do that.  So, while her single action was heroic, she was not a heroic person.  Do you get the difference?

As for your last point, being "the right person at the right time" does not a role model make.  Once again, that's the "heroic action" as opposed to "heroic person" issue.

by Elsinora 2008-04-15 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: To me, the common factor in the women

You obviously know way more about the story than I do, but didn't Esther risk her own life and safety in order to stand up for what was right? Regardless of whether it was her idea or not, she spoke truth to power when it was a very dangerous thing to do. I always thought that's what made her a hero, not just to women, but to all people who believe in freedom and civil liberties.

by LakersFan 2008-04-14 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: To me, the common factor in the women

That is exactly right.  By approaching the king without permission, she risked her own life.  By exposing herself as a Jew she risked her own life.  She stood up for what was right, and as you said, "spoke truth to power".

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: To me, the common factor in the women

Thanks. I think she's a great role model for all of us.

by LakersFan 2008-04-14 05:37PM | 0 recs
That makes her ACTION heroic...

and worthy of honor, but doesn't make Esther as a person a role model.

I honor Esther's action, but not Esther herself.  I honor Mordechai's actions, and also Mordechai himself.  Don't make the mistake of conflating a single action with character.

by Elsinora 2008-04-15 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: That makes her ACTION heroic...

What makes someone a hero if not their actions? What is more heroic than someone risking their life to save their people? What sort of role model do you want? One who makes pretty speeches but doesn't lay their life on the line? No thanks. Actions speak louder than words. Esther acted heroically and she's a role model to us all.

I really don't understand what problem you have with her. Are you holding her beauty against her? It's just very odd that someone with as much Judaic knowldege as you is so eager to minimize Esther's importance to the survival of the Jewish people during Passover week.

by LakersFan 2008-04-16 12:03PM | 0 recs
For those of you who are unaware of the reference,

here is the post about Queen Esther in VOS IZ NEIAS: (Yiddish: "What's News")

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Get off your High Horses

I think a lot of Obama supporters aren't seeing that he genuinely insulted a big segment of the population and Hillary stood up for them.  This is a plus to Hillary and a negative to Obama.  

Given the prevalence of the SF story and continuing shock over his raw, blithe, and oblivious arrogance, Hillary's casting it as "elitist" and "out of touch" was pretty moderate, if not generous.  If he can't keep his cool over one of the most justified critiques of his behavior, he is going to be a total mess in the fall.  

by BPK80 2008-04-14 02:05AM | 0 recs
I saw no such thing

   I saw a guy speaking the truth as he saw it, inelegantly perhaps, but it was a hell of a lot less insulting than seeing Hillary and McSame basically co-ordinate their attacks. They come off SO sweet together....the "bitter" stickers were really classy, btw........

by Kordo 2008-04-14 02:12AM | 0 recs
Re: I saw no such thing

I saw him saying the same sorts of things that everyone knows; he could have just said "wedge issues" but decided to spell them out.

God, guns, and gays.  If you don't understand that Republicans have been making electoral hay out of wedge issues for the past 40 years, then you haven't been watching.  Hillary Clinton certainly understands this.

If anyone comes away from this seeing Hillary Clinton(!) as a champion of small town values who wasn't already going to vote for McCain over EITHER Democrat, then I'd be shocked.  She isn't exactly Mary Landrieu or Lloyd Bentsen.  She's already got a reputation for both elitism (see: remark, Tammy Wynette) and dishonesty that she's carrying into this campaign.  She can't win on social issues.  Just like she can't win on military experience.  She can provide an assist for John McCain, when he runs against Obama but that's it; if she's the Democratic nominee she'll get killed on those issues.

by Mostly 2008-04-14 02:27AM | 0 recs
Re: I saw no such thing

He said they "cling to" Gods, guns, and antipathy.  From a communication standpoint, it wasn't really even all that inartful because, given the comfort of the setting, it seemed to be exactly what he meant to say, believing it to be off the record.  

Naturally, when he's exposed, he backpedals and claims to have "meant something else" that was not so offensive.  

by BPK80 2008-04-14 03:29AM | 0 recs
Re: I saw no such thing

He meant what he said.  The only people parsing it beyond all point of recognition are the usual suspects.

by Mostly 2008-04-14 03:53AM | 0 recs
I see no problem with his words

Other than frothing outrage, can someone please explain why it is bad/damaging to theorize that people maltreated and neglected by their leaders would latch onto wedge issues in order to vent their frustrations and feel like they have some power over their lives?

The "shock" over this issue is as manufactured as the issue itself, and it's absolutely shameful.

by bookish 2008-04-14 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: I see no problem with his words

There's a diary on the rec. list here that goes into detail about why his speech was so ill-borne.

by BPK80 2008-04-14 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: I see no problem with his words

I addressed certain points over at Kos. I feel like the liberty you took with certain terms in your effort to equate Obama's words with more incendiary language undercuts your argument. And besides, time will tell whether your assessment was right or just a blind shot in the dark that missed.

by bookish 2008-04-14 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...


by Nobama 2008-04-13 07:53PM | 0 recs
Love it : )

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Love it : )

I LOVE this -- it's the defining image of his campaign!  Go Hillary!

by mddem08 2008-04-14 05:03AM | 0 recs
Once again, why a hide rating?

Is your finger stuck on the "0"?

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Once again, why a hide rating?
Not sure if you realize - but this is taken from a Republican, right wing site, originally.
Nice work.
by Newcomer 2008-04-14 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Fabulous. I want a t-shirt!

by zcflint05 2008-04-13 08:06PM | 0 recs
Me too!

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 08:14PM | 0 recs
Why, exactly, does saying "me, too"

with respect to liking a certain logo (which contains political speech I happen to agree with) deserve a troll-rating?

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Why, exactly, does saying "me, too"

The unjustified TRs are popping up like crocuses.  I take that as a sign of desperation.

Uprated you to make up for it, just as I uprated an Obama supporter who got whacked twice this morning unfairly.

C'mon, people.  There are guidelines for TRs.  Read them.

Jerome (I think) posted a lecture about uncalled-for TRs last week.  Admins are not going to tolerate this.  TR abuse is a sure ticket out of here.

by creeper1014 2008-04-14 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Why, exactly, does saying "me, too"
I wish the admins would do something quickly, because Obama supporters are getting really desperate. Hell, I was warned within minutes of TR'ing an Obama supporter for disagreeing. It was my fault because I had not taken the time to read the guidelines and I am ashamed of using the TR without valid cause.
by zenful6219 2008-04-14 11:03AM | 0 recs
Thank you!

I have apparently lost my ability to rate people because of all the TR rating the past two days.  I was TR'd here and on a more controversial diary.  What offends me on the TR rating on the other diary (which has since been removed) is that I was TR'd by people who didn't even read my full comments where I expressed my disagreement with some of the diarists over-the-top comments, even though I agreed with his basic stance against Carter.  I do not write antagonistic things, so I was not TR'd for my writing.  I was TR'd instead because people disagreed with my opinion.

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 11:25AM | 0 recs
Mojo is back! Thank you all.

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Found the graphic on NQ but here's the link to the graphic: snobqy8.jpg

by Nobama 2008-04-13 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Figured it would be No Quarter - the "it's a ___ thing you wouldn't understand" is a dead giveaway.

You really don't want to open this can of worms; do you know how many years of sexist characatures of Hillary Clinton there are?

by Mostly 2008-04-14 02:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

You don't get it... it's okay to make insulting propaganda posters AGAINST Obama, but it's evil, sexist, misogynistic, and anti-Democratic to create similar images demeaning Clinton.

by dantes 2008-04-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Inappropriate TRs reported to admins.

If you're going to hand out donuts you'd damn well better have more reason for it than simple disagreement.

Quit, already!

by creeper1014 2008-04-14 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

it was originally created by right wing nut jobs.

Nice work.

by Newcomer 2008-04-14 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I can appreciate art, even if it was created by a Republican : )

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

You and your candidate have absolutely no class.  If an Obama supporter did this to Clinton you would be outraged.  And funny thing is, Obama didn't go after Clinton when she repeatedly lied about Tuzla did he?  Could have made a big deal of it, but as far as I am aware said nothing (a quick google revealed nothing - though I may have missed a minor remark.  I like to be accurate.)  There are so many issues he could hit her with - instead he only punches back when she attacks.  

by interestedbystander 2008-04-14 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

No, he didn't.

She just can't help herself.

by Mostly 2008-04-14 06:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

The next time Clinton decides to call people bitter and accuses them of clinging to religion and guns to cope with it all instead of having the brains to understand what's really important, by all means, slam her. In fact, I'll probably join you.

by zenful6219 2008-04-14 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Just as a matter of interest, has your candidate done anything at all that you disapprove of?  Has Obama done anything that you approve of?

by interestedbystander 2008-04-14 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...
I think a more effective way for you to frame your question would have been to first tell us what, if anything, Obama has done that you disapprove of. The one thing I disapprove of with regard to Clinton is that she didn't take two shots of whiskey. With regard to Obama, I admire his ability to inspire people. Unfortunately, we need more than inspiration in these troubled times when we face real, hard issues like a faltering economy, the Iraq war, and trade.
by zenful6219 2008-04-14 09:31AM | 0 recs
Nothing about Tuzla? Puh-leez.

Don't you realize that it was the Obama's campaign's memo that started the Tuzla thing?

And then there's this piling on afterward.

This took about 15 seconds of googling, and I assure you it only scratches the surface.  They dug into that with gusto.

by Trickster 2008-04-14 08:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Nothing about Tuzla? Puh-leez.

If you want to get technical, it was Hillary that started the Tuzla thing by lying about it. And claiming it was part of her vast foreign policy experience. And that Obama had no experience like that... you know, the dodging-sniper-fire kind.

by dantes 2008-04-14 09:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Nothing about Tuzla? Puh-leez.

Aw, geez.  Here you go again.

She said nothing about "dodging" sniper fire.  She said she flew into Tuzla under sniper fire.  The military has confirmed that there were snipers in the hills.  Her words, while inaccurate, do not rise to the level of grand deception that you keep trying to pin on them.  Why would she deliberately lie about an event that was available to anyone on film?

Inaccurate though they may have been, those words were most certainly not a direct insult to tens of thousands of American voters.

You guys weaken every argument you have by over-reaching.  That's one of things which drove me out of the Obama camp.

by creeper1014 2008-04-14 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Nothing about Tuzla? Puh-leez.

She did also say she ran from the plane to the destination for safety.

by Darknesse 2008-04-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I also need this on a T-Shirt...but not to knock Obama... more to make him feel at home with his fellow elitists and snobs.

I am an elitist for Obama.  

by JDF 2008-04-14 06:46AM | 0 recs
Let me get this straight

The guy who just recently finished paying off his student loans is a snob, but the woman who earned $109 million in the last seven years is in touch with the common man. That's MyDD logic at its finest.

by bookish 2008-04-14 07:38AM | 0 recs
That's such a silly argument

Snobism/elitism is a character trait, not something you can divine by perusal of a bank account, and this is especially true about the bank accounts of the self-made rich.

Jethro and Ellie Mae had a lot of money, too.

by Trickster 2008-04-14 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: That's such a silly argument

So fill me in on some poor elitists, please. I'd like an example, just one will suffice. Elitism does refer to privilege, yes? And most often in the context of financial status. But, please, do provide that example nonetheless.

by bookish 2008-04-14 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: That's such a silly argument

Okay, let me try to spell it out.

Obama is an elitist because he thinks the working class has suffered under the economy for the past 25 years, has been losing jobs and money, and has become bitter about it.

Clinton is not an elitist, because she feels that the working class is fine with their economic position. They are filled with hope and patriotism, and should vote for her because she sipped Crown Royal out of a shot glass.

by dantes 2008-04-14 09:21AM | 0 recs

I'm elitist as all hell, and I flirted with bankruptcy pretty hot and heavy in '07.  I was paying 42% on my Citibank card.  I'm making good money now, but it's going to take 2-3 more years to get my credit card debt paid off.

You need to spend a little more time among the denizens of arts and social sciences graduate departments if you think that elitism is all about money.  I've seen plenty of sneering at the hoi polloi over a hot bowl of ramen.  Joined in it, too.

by Trickster 2008-04-14 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Me

So now you're saying it was an academic/intellectual elitism. That's funny since the context of his comments (and the subsequent frothing here) have been in regards to the socioeconomic slant of his words. Moving goalposts, shifting sands. You guys should really learn how to stick to your core arguments.

by bookish 2008-04-14 09:59AM | 0 recs

You do realize you are acting like a child, right?  I mean, you are embarrassing yourself.  

Both sides need to chill out.  I was in the real world with real Pennsylvanians this weekend (on a business trip, not campaigning), and the people I met with (warehousemen and women) don't give two shits about this.  They don't.

by LarsThorwald 2008-04-14 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: he said this in SF too

Wow...big talk about slavery from someone who's descandants were not slaves. Talk about race baiting for a minute, that is a race baiting comment.

by zcflint05 2008-04-13 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: he said this in SF too

Is it possible you don't know what "race-baiting" means?  Hint: it doesn't mean "any statement that has anything to do with race.

Because it's hard for me to imagine anyone race-baiting at a fundraiser surrounded by supporters in San Francisco, but hey, there's a first for everything.

by Mostly 2008-04-14 02:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Great diary, CJ.  The parody is refreshing.  It does indeed seem a little desperate on his part, not exuding the normal level of over-confidence.


by TexasDarlin 2008-04-13 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Thanks TD!  I guess it sucks being in the cross-hairs doesn't it?  It certainly gives us the opportunity to see how the candidates respond to stress!

by cjbardy 2008-04-13 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Being In the Cross-hairs

Obama's failure to understand the need for major damage control here is striking.  It's as if he's had a pass on questionable tactics for so long that he's at a loss to know how to respond when someone legitimately calls BS.  

The media hasn't done him any favors by going easy on him.  If he thinks THIS is bad, wait till he sees what McRove rolls out in the GE.  

The more he balks, the worse it gets.  He's got his weapon loaded and cocked but it's aimed at his own head.

by creeper1014 2008-04-14 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Rec'd for the hilarious opening line alone.

by Scan 2008-04-13 11:42PM | 0 recs
Gaffe Patrol

  Are you, like, Alegre's alter-ego? Are you two roomates? You sure sound alot alike. You have almost nothing positive to point to from Hillary, unless it's your're childish glee over her ever-increasing slime attacks, and hysterical ranting about her rove-inspired non-issues. All you people do is lurch from one supposed gaffe to the next, while basically parroting Faux News. I swear to god, I even saw someone quote a Victor David Hanson article from RCP the other day in order to SUPPORT one of Hillary's idiotic slams! Vic Hanson!? Have you lost your frakkin' minds???? And, My God, the endless whining and hand-wringing about how the big, bad Repugs are gonna trash Obama in November, O my! WTF could they possibly throw at him that Hillary's attack dogs haven't already? Seriously, no disrespect, but get a fucking grip, ok?  "ooh, I'm gonna vote for McSame if Hillary isn't the Nominee, Bwaaaa..."

 Go for it. 4 years from now, maybe some of the good folks here will have wised up. Assuming we're not a dictatorship by then......

Bitter? Hell, yes. But not at Obama.

Obama 08

by Kordo 2008-04-14 02:09AM | 0 recs
Thank you so much for the compliment!

I think Alegre is an excellent writer and to be compared to her is a great honor.

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you so much for the compliment!

You get to round out the trifecta with susanhu. Whoopee! Well, they say that good things come in threes...or is that bad things?

by bookish 2008-04-14 10:02AM | 0 recs
Once again, thank you!

Those two woman are both A+ as far as I am concerned.

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Once again, thank you!

Meeeeee, too. Definitely have a mensa group coalescing here. Good to know. Keep up the good work.

by bookish 2008-04-14 10:43AM | 0 recs
Funny, didn't see them at the AG

but I'd hate to come off as, you know, elitist or something - not to mention irreparably damaging the feelings of the other 98%.

by Sumo Vita 2008-04-14 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Funny, didn't see them at the AG

Yeah, well they're real busy diarying right now, so they don't really have time for the meetings and such.

by bookish 2008-04-14 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I saw the video, Senator Obama was AWESOME! I loved it, and he was right on!!! Made Hillary look silly!

by Hope Monger 2008 2008-04-14 02:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I think Obama looked very angry in the video and it was silly for him to appear so flustered over the kind of criticism and questionting that any presidential nominee undergoes on a daily basis.  The Annie Oakley insult was odd to say the least.

by BPK80 2008-04-14 04:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

He was laughing an awful lot for being as angry as some of you want him to be.

Are we back to the "angry black man" attack?

by bawbie 2008-04-14 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

I thought the laughs were a dead give-away as to how scripted and planned-out the whole routine was.  It's a bad sign when you're up on stage laughing at your own jokes while the audience is quiet.

by Trickster 2008-04-14 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

you were watching a different clip than I was if you thought the audience was silent.

by bawbie 2008-04-14 11:49AM | 0 recs
Later, he got them to chant

But when he started talking about Hillary as Annie Oakley, laughing, etc., I didn't hear anybody else laughing but him.  It was pretty quiet.

by Trickster 2008-04-14 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Given his skills, his story, his ability to raise money and motivate his supporters (and given all her negatives as so extensively repeated her) Obama should be walking away with this nomination.  Supers should be piling on him and yet they aren't.  In each new state where he camapaigns he well overcomes  her name recognition and gains significant ground..while in national polls he can't seem to bury her or push ahead of McCain.  

The reason is framed so well by this "bitter" moment and his repsonse to it -- Obama can't seem to stop rallying his base while infusing even more doubts into the rest of the party and large chunks of the general electorate.  He himself might not be an elitist, but he sure the hell campaigns like one.  

Witness how well his recent responses resonate with his long term most loyal supporters.  The "Annie Oakley" line risks even further alienating the small town voters he just insulted, but it would further engage and amuse Hillary haters -- just exactly what he should NOT be doing.  For the sake of cheers from his base, he will further alienate the voter he needs.  

To win now and in November, Obama needs to unite the party and pull in those voters who are finding something in Clinton.  Instead he is more or less writing them off.  Instead of delving into what small town voters find offensive about his original comment, he lectures the offended and mocks comments designed to honor them.  Over the long haul, pumping your base at the expense of other large voting blocs is not only elitist (in this case) it's political suicide.    

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-04-14 04:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Ridiculous.  He is running a campaign against someone who was in the White House as First Lady for eight years and thus has huge name recognition and who, for more than a year before the first primary, was almost universally regarded as the inevitable candidate.  

To say he is weak because he hasn't "buried" her (even though he leads her--significantly leads her--by every measurable metric) is the height of absurdity.  

by LarsThorwald 2008-04-14 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Weird.  Because I thought she came into this with astronomical negatives, tons of bad baggage, a reputation as a liar and dirty campaigner, a failed record in NY, having caused the war in Iraq, with tired ideas, a cold manufactured exterior, riding the utter failure that was the Clinton Administration.  Wouldn't that mean her name should have worked against her?

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-04-14 11:08AM | 0 recs
Outstanding Comment, grassroots.

This is the thing that baffles me.  At a time when Obama should be back-pedaling like crazy he's forging ahead with fresh insults.

One of the things voters despise about Bush is his total refusal to acknowledge any fallibility whatsoever.  It appears that Mr. Obama is suffering from the same syndrome. That level of stubbornness will not serve him well.

by creeper1014 2008-04-14 11:13AM | 0 recs

Clinton to Annie Oakley and making fun of her having a beer "in front of the cameras," only makes Obama look more out of touch with America.

Plus, it gives Clinton an opening to bring back the bowling debacle; you know, the Obama bowling incident done "in front of ther cameras.

by soyousay 2008-04-14 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Comparing...

It's not the same thing; he wasn't saying "I too bowl every day".

by Mostly 2008-04-14 06:23AM | 0 recs
"It's not the same thing"

Clinton wasn't saying "I drink everyday"

by soyousay 2008-04-14 06:33AM | 0 recs
Re: "It's not the same thing"

Yeah but do you really think that when she does drink her choice is beer and crown royal?

I bet not..and I bet most people feel the same way. She looked foolish.

by JDF 2008-04-14 06:43AM | 0 recs
That's an assumption on your part....

When offered a beer/shot, Clinton didn't request an orange juice instead. That would have been rude.

by soyousay 2008-04-14 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: That's an assumption on your part....

It is an assumption on my part... I am, in part, assuming Hillary has better taste than that.

by JDF 2008-04-14 08:33AM | 0 recs

In response to Obama's Clinton/drinking comment; I just heard the Clinton campaign's response; they referenced the bowling photo op. Wow, I ought to work for the Clinton campaign...I called it before it happened :D

by soyousay 2008-04-14 08:01AM | 0 recs
Can someone please find a picture of Obama

drinking a beer at the Penn Bar with Sen. Casey, throw his mocking right back at him! Don't mock someone for something you did last week! Life 101!

by rigsoHC 2008-04-14 07:08AM | 0 recs
HRC camp did it!!! its on hillaryhub

now, Obama drinking a beer at a bar just like Clinton! I'm sure they thought of it themselves, but I'd like to think my email this morning helped! Good move

by rigsoHC 2008-04-14 07:54AM | 0 recs
First Post-Rasmussen Poll Out
The first poll is out to try to measure voter sentiment on Barack Obama's remarks about bitter working class voters.

The Rasmussen Reports survey asked voters nationwide: "Do you agree or disagree with Barack Obama's statement that people in small towns 'cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations'?

Among all voters, 56 percent disagreed, and 43 percent of Democrats did. Not surprisingly, those who described themselves as conservatives were more adamant in their disagreement.

Among all voters, 45 percent said the comments reflected an "elitist view" of small town voters. The poll was conducted Saturday and Sunday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

by zenful6219 2008-04-14 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: First Post-Rasmussen Poll Out


And all those post-Wright polls said that people would never vote for him.


And all those Clinton supporters say they'll never vote for him.


Do you remember what Todd wrote on the front page of this site right after this whole "nontroversy" broke?  Asking the question along the lines of:

"Does this really matter to anyone that doesn't have a vested interest in destroying Barack Obama?"

The only reason we're talking about this is because the media told us to talk about it, and the people who have no other shot at the nomination are currently circlejer...well, are currently using it to try to make us believe it's Obama's silver bullet.

Meanwhile, Rasmussen had Obama with a wider lead than the day before, and Gallup still has him up by about ten.

"Keep reaching".

by The Great Gatsby 2008-04-14 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: First Post-Rasmussen Poll Out

Yeah. And those same polls INCREASED his lead with her.

Elitist is the new Bitch!!

by Darknesse 2008-04-14 01:29PM | 0 recs
LOLZ. Hillary shot herself in the foot on this one

He's sooo much more in tune with most Americans than Hillary. Here she is picking a fight with another Dem on the area that is her biggest weakness.

This smackdown was brilliant. She's toast.

by ksquire 2008-04-14 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

His remark about the six-shooter and duck hunting is  funny as hell. In his attempt to seem "in touch" he shows he more out of touch than before. What duck hunter uses a six-shooter to hunt ducks?

by zenful6219 2008-04-14 07:48AM | 0 recs
That is what is know as a "hyperbole"

...a deliberate and obvious exaggeration used for effect.  Another thing you might be confused about: he doesn't actually think that Hillary is the same person as Annie Oakley.

by ashriver 2008-04-14 08:12AM | 0 recs
Hillary is not the Same Person as Oakley
he doesn't actually think that Hillary is the same person as Annie Oakley.

Thank you for your concern over my possible confusion, but, no, I don't believe Obama thinks Hillary is the same person as Annie Oakley. That would be mean Annie Oakley is like 150 years old.

However, I think the gist of his Oakley comments illustrates his lack of knowledge of Annie Oakley.

"In her life, Annie overcame poverty, mistreatment and physical injury with her determination and strength of character. She played a role in breaking barriers for women with her talent and accomplishments in her sport. She showed great compassion and generosity to orphans, widows and other young women."
Although Hillary didn't have to overcome poverty, I think the description of Annie Oakley sounds a great deal like Hillary Clinton.
by zenful6219 2008-04-14 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

But, why name calling.  Why not just talk about your own attributes and experience, versus hers?  He always reverts to some type of 'name calling'.  I'll bet foreign leaders and dignataries are going to love that habit.  LOL

by lanesharon 2008-04-14 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

"elitist" isn't name-calling?


by bawbie 2008-04-14 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...
"With all due respect, this is the same politician who spent six days posing for clichéd camera shots that included bowling gutterballs, walking around a sports bar, feeding a baby cow, and buying a ham at the Philly market (albeit one that cost $99.99 a pound). Sen. Obama's speeches won't hide his condescending views of Americans living in small towns."--Clinton Campaign

This statement was released today by the Clinton campaign coming on the heels of Obama criticizing Clinton for having a shot of whiskey with cameras present and having the nerve to talk about learning from her father how to use a gun.

I also wish Obama would end what seems like an allegiance with the Republicans by using their talking points. Darth Vader was on a talk show yesterday talking about how much he doubted Clinton could use a gun. It sounded a lot like Obama.

by zenful6219 2008-04-14 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...
You KNOW, it CERTAINLY raises a number of questions ...
LIKE, why ARE we still in this primary?  He has mathmaticaly won already ...
by stryan 2008-04-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Thom Hartmann pissed me off today.

My favorite AAR personality, who has heretofore refrained from using his show as a propaganda tool for Obama and against the Clintons, is slowly starting to embrace the propaganda that the show before him (Stephanie Miller) and after him (Ed Schultz) are pushing.

Lately, he's been showing a pattern of ragging on things Clinton does but ignoring similar things Obama does.  

Today for example, he was upset that this weekend, Clinton supposedly took the right wing meme that Democrats don't understand rural voters, and applied it to Obama by calling his statements elitist.

For some reason, there was not a word out of Mr. Hartmann with respect to the fact that, also this weekend, Obama made fun of Hillary vis a vis guns, Annie Oakley, etc.

Although Obama's remarks about Hillary also just so happen to buy into the same exact right wing meme that Democrats are elitist and out of touch with rural voters, Mr. Hartmann didn't seem to have time in his three hour format to call out Mr. Obama for the same things he repeatedly called out Mrs. Clinton over.

Talk about double standards.  Respect lost, Thom.  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-04-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Thom Hartmann pissed me off today.

I heard that too and was very dissappointed. He was the only one I could safely listen to. Even worse though, I turned on the radio this afternoon, wondering who was going to be filling Randi's old slot, AND IT WAS HER!!!  The LA station picked her up from her new network.  Ughh.

by cjbardy 2008-04-14 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

Well, it's because HRC is behaving in a way that is so incredibly out of character while pandering that he really has no choice.

IIRC, she supported the Million Mom March (walked in it maybe?, so.... yeah.  

by Darknesse 2008-04-14 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Sen. Obama must be feeling down today...

riiight it's Clinton's fault he's acting like petulant child

by atomic garden 2008-04-14 03:07PM | 0 recs
Another $20 for Barack Obama

By making the rec list, this diary has earned another 20 bucks for the Obama campaign.

by fwiffo3 2008-04-15 04:26AM | 0 recs


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