Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

As I recall, Monica Lewinsky and her "blue dress" have not been an issue for about eight years. So, you can imagine my surprise when I check out The Page - by Mark Halperin - Time and read that Obama Senior Advisor Gordon Fischer decided that now would be a good time to remind us about it.

I followed the link and saw that this story has already been picked up by Jake Tapper at ABC. Tapper quotes Fischer as follows.

"When Joe McCarthy questioned others' patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP. Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping -- instead he is hurting -- his own party. B. Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica's blue dress."

Can someone please explain to me why rehashing an event from nearly a decade ago is at all relevant to bolster a stab at Bill Clinton that even Obama's own campaign has already denounced? If someone could, I would be greatly appreciative. The hypocrisy in Obama's campaign makes me feel like my head is about to explode!

Tags: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton (all tags)

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I question Obama's

Patriotism.  Pattern of behavior.

It's not unconditional.

If that was Bill's intent, and there's no proof that it was, he's right.

by Edgar08 2008-03-24 12:31PM | 0 recs
reading between the lines

it's clear that Obama saw his Wright  problem as a card to play against Hillary. He thought she's use it to impugn his patriotism and that he could then tarnish her.  No one thinks, however, that he lacks patriotism, we think he lacks judgment and experience and at times plain good sense, but no dearth of patriotism. So, like the WMD Obama claims he thought were in Iraq, nothing was found, and they decided to invent an opportunity.  Like those mobile labs, Obama found a 'sin of omission' in Bill, in speaking to retired vets who love McCain Bill said both are patriotic but Hillary has the most military endorsements, and he didn't add hey Obama's also patriotic (which in that group might have received a laugh, as if he wasn't saying what he really meant and it was a joke) Obama's camp leaped, it was as close as they were going to get. Then as usual they overplayed it, assuming and why not that the hate Hillary press (read Rich, Dowd) would also leap like hungry jackals and pretend with him that patriotism is Obama's problem according to Hillary, and not lack of preparation, not inexperienced foreign policy and economic advisors, or whatever it actually is.  Then as usual they take it even further, with nasty rhetoric the likes of which they'd hate to be compared to Ken Starr, who wrote the pornography that brought us that blue dress.  The problem is they've cried wolf too many times, and only Judas Bill Richardson, and Hillary hating Maureen Dowd and weird Frank Rich and a few others who'll say anything to tarnish the girl candidate bite anymore. Most Americans are sick of the negativity and just started to notice he's the one stoking it.  It calls into question, retroactively, all his other bogus or slim charges.  But he's on a mission, and he'll keep on manufacturing outrage and stoking hate, he's seemingly hooked at this point so fasten your seat belts and stay tuned.  

by anna shane 2008-03-24 01:30PM | 0 recs
I think

He lacks patriotism.

by Edgar08 2008-03-24 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I think

What does that even mean?

by LandStander 2008-03-24 03:35PM | 0 recs
It means

That I think he will claim to be patriotic, but that it is only made manifest in the reparation that America makes towards him and his race.

There's something wrong with America if we don't choose him to be president.

by Edgar08 2008-03-24 04:20PM | 0 recs
Would you be saying that

if Hillary were black?

by Dumbo 2008-03-24 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Would you be saying that

Well yes, because now we can...Obama brought race out front and center...we can do that now...

by Patriot2008 2008-03-24 07:23PM | 0 recs
Is it just me?

Or do the Obama campaign and his supporters expect Hillary and/or Bill to come to his defence on every corner? Are they jealous? Bill is campaigning FOR HILLARY, and they get their panties in a twist because he doesn't put in a plug for Obama while he's at it. When the Wright story broke, dailyKos was chock full of diaries demanding that Hillary leap to his defence. We've already had one President who couldn't testify without his VP there to hold his hand. Do we really want one who expects even his opponent to come to his defence?

by georgiapeach 2008-03-24 03:38PM | 0 recs
That is true

They are very sensitive about everything Bill says.

I will Bill would just call him stinking liar so he at least gets some bang for his buck.

by Edgar08 2008-03-24 04:21PM | 0 recs
Sensitive is one way to put it.

But there's a very fine line between wearing your heart on your sleeve and having your ass on your shoulder. If they are going to manufacture outrage over everything Bill says, he might as well take the gloves off and just tell the unvarnished truth about Obama in no uncertain terms.

by georgiapeach 2008-03-25 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Is it just me?

Will Hillary and Obama still be adversaries after teh convention? Maybe that's why he's looking for support. And given how the hyperactive flag-waiving (I can't even call it patriotism) that this country has engaged in post-9/11 has been used on politicians like Obama, he probably thinks he needs the cover.

And let's not forget the heat of the battle.

by spirowasright 2008-03-24 05:23PM | 0 recs
As far as the blue dress is concerned

Team Obama trotted out Lincoln Bedroom on day 1 of the race so pattern of behavior there too.

by Edgar08 2008-03-24 12:36PM | 0 recs
Monster. Desperate. Vicious. Blue Dress.

The comments coming out of Obama's campaign are so personal and negative.

by catfish1 2008-03-24 12:37PM | 0 recs
How very true...

And really, it's about time that the Obama campaign be called out for this double standard. Why is it that they yell & scream about Hillary being so "desperate" and "calculating" and "untruthful", then do so much of what they accuse Hillary & the campaign of doing? And really, these most recent attacks are just so over the top that they're disgusting: Obama Campaign Strategist David Axelrod calling Hillary "desperate" to "do anything to win", Obama's Iowa Co-chair Gordon Fischer attacking Bill Clinton with the old Monica crap, and Obama's foreign policy adviser Gen. Merrill McPeak equating Bill Clinton with Joe McCarthy. Enough is enough, and it's time for the Obama Campaign to be held accountable for its hypocritical actions.

by atdleft 2008-03-24 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: How very true...

We will answer them where it counts...at the ballot box.  I thought I was hearing things when I read again about the blue dress...This campaign of Barry's is so ugly and discusting and desperate to hold the lime light that they would dig this deep and pull up this kind of filth. It's degrating and a stain on Barrack's advisers and it really makes me wonder what kind of people he would surround himself with if, by chance, he should be elected as the next President of the United States. I think we all need to re-think what really makes this campaign tick.

by Patriot2008 2008-03-24 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: How very true...

I am beginning to think that the Obama people are very willing to destroy the Democratic Party.  (I am truly sorry to say this; for those who for some reason remember any of my posts, I have not thought and have not said anything at this level.) I think that the Obama group has started to make the kind of references that one would expect in the last few weeks of a general election campaign...by the opposition Republicans.  I don't expect clean, nice, or whatever.  But, I cannot tolerate the personal attack--beginning with the demonization of the Clintons as somehow being racists and the mnemonic chant against her person--coming from the scion of old-fashioned Chicago politics.

by christinep 2008-03-24 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: How very true...

It's not the first time Obama has trotted out "Monica's blue dress."
Last week Obama released a 1998 invitation from Clinton to Wright to attend an annual gathering of clerics. Obama's stated goal was to demonstrate Wright wasn't such a bad guy since he was invited to the Clinton WH.

But Obama's underlying goal was more desperate since the invitation was accompanied by a pic of Wright and Clinton at the event - occurring soon after Clinton's televised confession and apology over the Monica thingy.
This wasn't the usual clerical gathering because Clinton sought forgiveness from them and prayer, etc.
The first question viewers would ask - what was the purpose of the event?
and when was it?

by annefrank 2008-03-24 04:20PM | 0 recs
Yes, and look at the behavior of the

new church pastor.  His Sunday sermon was "How to Handle a Modern Lynching" (you can guess the contents if you haven't seen them already).  

Seems they prefer slash and burn over conciliatory language.  That church is doing the Republicans work for them, and my guess is that they're fine with the idea of a McCain presidency since it nicely confirms all the paranoia they want their congregation to believe.

Hillary would be well advised to speak out against that church, or when she's the nominee they'll be able to say she agreed with them.

What a mess.

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Monster. Desperate. Vicious. Blue Dress.

Apparently things aren't going that well for team Obama or they wouldn't be making these kinds of statements. They come off as just plain desperate. I think they know they can't win PA and are trying everything they can do.

He's fatally damaged and like most candidates who are they continually lash out about anything and everything.

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-24 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Monster. Desperate. Vicious. Blue Dress.
Well, the Obama campaign has a lot of netroots support.
Look at the birght side, they havene't lost enough to start crying about funny voting mahinces yet.
by spirowasright 2008-03-24 05:24PM | 0 recs
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Yawn. Been there too many times. If that is the best they have, they are more desperate than I though!
by The Smoldering Crone 2008-03-24 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Absolutely disgusting.  This is the "new kind of politics" that Obama has called for?

by musicpvm 2008-03-24 12:40PM | 0 recs
'Obama Senior Advisor'

Heh.

The guy helped on the ground in Iowa. Period.

by Bob Johnson 2008-03-24 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: 'Obama Senior Advisor'

Well Bob, perhaps you can tell us, then, how Bob Kerrey and Andrew Cuomo are Clinton "surrogates."

by dhonig 2008-03-24 12:45PM | 0 recs
Do you think there is a difference?

by Bob Johnson 2008-03-24 12:46PM | 0 recs
So where were you, Bob...

When the Obama campaign was asking for Kerrey's and Cuomo's heads? For some reason, I don't remember you telling your fellow Obama fans to settle down because they're not paid staff. So really, if you & your Kosobama friends like dishing the heat out, you'd better be ready to take some when Obama's surrogates screw up.

by atdleft 2008-03-24 12:56PM | 0 recs
Absolutely.

This guy was a player in Iowa. The comment in question was posted on his personal blog. He is the former head of the Iowa Democratic Party. I suspect he has damag3ed himself with this garbage. And the Obama campaign has apologized.

He did a very stupid and childish thing.

by Bob Johnson 2008-03-24 01:00PM | 0 recs
I like how you are all too willing to

make whatever excuse is necessary for your side.  Typical of all your posts, always ignoring what you see with your eyes but don't want to believe.

by cjbardy 2008-03-24 12:48PM | 0 recs
Nope.

The guy's an ass.

by Bob Johnson 2008-03-24 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Nope.

Thank you, Bob Johnson.

by christinep 2008-03-24 04:09PM | 0 recs
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I am wondering what is on the horizon that they know and that we don't that makes them so very anxious that they will stoop to this.  It must be really, really bad.  Hmmmm, maybe the story I saw on the front of one of the tabloids the other day is actually true.  Obama's bunch are certainly acting like it anyway.

by macmcd 2008-03-24 12:42PM | 0 recs
Yow, I think I know the one. It

makes "the blue dress" look like Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.  

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 01:53PM | 0 recs
I'm undecided on that. I certainly

find it plausible, but he seems something of a nut case.  Of course it is often the nut cases who are picked for victimization because the powerful person understands that no one will ever believe the nut case.   Very very sad, if true.  Ugh.

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 06:01PM | 0 recs
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Cripes!  I didn't read the tabloid.  Just saw the headline as I was waiting for check-out.  I googled sinclair to find out what it is all about.  How sordid.  Apparently, he failed a lie detector test but some people are so nervous they just can't settle down to it.  It wouldn't surprise me about Obama.  Anybody who could claim to have sat in church for twenty years and not known about Wright's sermons, could lie to anybody about anything.

by macmcd 2008-03-24 06:54PM | 0 recs
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Wow. What a vicious, nasty, lewd thing to say. Obama needs to muzzle some of his advisers. How much you guys wanna bet there won't be a reprimand for Fischer?
by sricki 2008-03-24 12:45PM | 0 recs
Fischer immediately apologized

But that was after he had his little say and made headlines. And funny, he was the second Obama surrogate to use the totally tortured McCarthy comparison. The chances that two minds would get to that same place are pretty low.

by ineedalife 2008-03-24 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Reprimands are getting quite old with Obama's people...and besides, they don't mean them...to them...they are "just words".....
I tell you, the more I hear the more I wonder, what caliber of folks are these people...is this Chicago Politics up close and personal...WoW!

We have an old saying where I come from...."don't get mad..get even"....It will keep, I promise you that...discusting!

by Patriot2008 2008-03-24 01:52PM | 0 recs
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Because this is the New Politics of that Charlatan Obama and his Audacity of Hype.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-24 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

It's crap like this coming from Camp Obama which is pushing me further and further from him.  If HRC is not the nominee, I'm writing her name in.  Obama has pushed me too far - I will never vote for him.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-24 01:14PM | 0 recs
Ironic, isn't it,

in light of the fact that HRC is painted as theone who is all about "negative" campaigning?

by cjbardy 2008-03-24 12:50PM | 0 recs
When is the last time Obama talked about an issue?

This is how low the Obama campaign has gone. Take a statement made by a Clinton that had nothing to do with Obama. Distort said statement and claim it was about Obama, and go into faux outrage mode. Use the outrage to bring up negatives about Clinton.

Hillary is giving speeches on how to deal with the economic crisis and foreign policy and Obama's people are out flinging poo and claiming victimhood.  Obama's campaign has really lost it.

by ineedalife 2008-03-24 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: When is the last time Obama talked about an

You are absolutely right about that...he has spent the last almost two weeks talking about his pastor, his grandmother, race,  Geraldine Ferrara, he has talked about Hillary and how she should pull out of the race, etc....I can't remember the last time he was out there talking to the people about  substance and what his plans are to make this a better world...  

by Patriot2008 2008-03-24 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: When is the last time Obama talked about an

I can't remember the last time he was out there talking to the people about  substance and what his plans are to make this a better world...

You've already chosen your candidate, so I suppose it's understandable that you're not paying attention.

by fogiv 2008-03-24 06:29PM | 0 recs
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Obama's campaign is scum, the lowest of the low.

That's the explanation.

They don't deserve to win with this kind of crap.  But they do it with the blessing of people like Keith Olbermann, KOS and the rest of the "progressive" (read a*shole) community.

by Sensible 2008-03-24 12:53PM | 0 recs
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I think the creep that said it has since apologized. I totally expected this dirty attack, but was surprised this came from the Obama campaign. I think touching the "blue dress" is going to have a certain "yuck" backfire factor.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-24 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Sadly, I am not surprised.  I think it continues along in the same trajectory that his campaign has moved along so far.  Remember Plouffe's statement a week or so ago, about the fact that they were going to be throwing everything they have got at Clinton, as a return salvo to her purported "kitchen sink"?  

Well, this is what they came up with.  Joe McCarthy and a blue dress.

Pathetic.

by cjbardy 2008-03-24 01:07PM | 0 recs
Exactly, they've replied to the

"kitchen sink" with "the toilet".   It suggests a serious weakness on the Obama side, that they can't come up with anything substantive to throw at her.  

They tried the "I was right in 2002" approach, but that kind of backfired once everyone realized that Kerry voted to authorize and if that's a sign a bad judgement then what's up with him endorsing Obama?

They tried the "First Lady papers" but all that got them was a bad case of nearsightedness from poring through 11,000 pages to find nothing that stuck.

Now they're hoping the "tax returns" will be juicy but I predict it will be another pair of glasses down the drain with nothing to show for it.

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 01:50PM | 0 recs
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I agree with you CJ...this man's campaign is revealing more and more about him every day, especially when he is in a desperate situation...that is when you see the filth come out...He thinks he is back in Chicago with the "Boys" and forgets he is now on a National Stage.  What an example he projects to the rest of the world when he and his campaign start with this mud slinging...and this is the campaign of change, interesting...
Blue dress this Barack...discusting.
by Patriot2008 2008-03-24 07:45PM | 0 recs
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It just plain classless.  The compliment had merit and instead of addressing it in a mature fashion, Fischer decided to do this.  I think he's already issued the apology, but it's too late.  

by venavena 2008-03-24 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

I meant to say that the complaint against Bill Clinton had merit.

by venavena 2008-03-24 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

then a campaign again Michelle's unpatriotic remark has merit.  And we should also dig into her double salary raise at Chicago hospital where Rezkos' aid for on the board.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-24 01:04PM | 0 recs
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Yes, it does, but that's not the issue at hand.

by venavena 2008-03-24 01:38PM | 0 recs
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That's because Hillary has been very kind to Obama.
Edwards was kind to him too.
Obama still can't lock it up - even with the media promoting him and bashing Hillary 24/7.
by annefrank 2008-03-24 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Good Idea....let's get right on it.

by Patriot2008 2008-03-24 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

I have mentioned that Chicago University hospital increase (while he served on a related state legislature committee?) to my friends.  It raised at least one of my eyebrows.

by christinep 2008-03-24 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

HRC folks are always so kind to Obama supporters - saying that their repetition of RW talking points will help in the GE...well...you dont think that Bill's extremely extra-marital affairS will be a part of the RW smear machine.

I agree - like all the anti-HRC hit diaries - that this stuff is useless. But it will come out...and I hope that Bill has been a good boy (or at least discreet) over the past few years, flying all over the place, etc.

He was a great president - but in the end, he was unfaithful to a loving wife - MULTIPLE TIMES. Sad.

by Newcomer 2008-03-24 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Something you forget my friend....Bill Clinton is still popular as he was during the whole impeachment!

Americans saw that for what it was and I would love for them to bring this up in the general! I think it causes more people to not like the republican brand of things, esp with people like craig, vitter, fl st sen bob allen!

Please I hope ths comes up in the general!

by boxer4hrc 2008-03-24 01:04PM | 0 recs
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Bill Clinton's popularity, since he started campaigning for HRC, has DECREASED.

MY FRIEND...in a March 14 NBC/WSJ Poll:

One of the survey's more striking findings is the diminished standing of former President Bill Clinton, whom some have seen as campaigning too aggressively for his wife -- and against Obama. More respondents in the poll view him in a negative light (45 percent) than in a positive one (42 percent). It's a marked change from a year ago, when Clinton's positive rating (48 percent) was higher than his negative score (35 percent).

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q NDk0OGMwZjljZGVhZTIwZGIyZWEyYzcwYmMxNjg 0MWM

by Newcomer 2008-03-24 01:08PM | 0 recs
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wow thats one of what ONE polling that showed that! I may be mistaken but Im pretty sure there have been more poll that show him still popular then there are that show mine unpopular!

Plus I NBC is the Obama network so of course they should the "decreased" poll numbers!

by boxer4hrc 2008-03-24 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

sorry just saw all my errors in grammar and spelling wow i need some sleep!

by boxer4hrc 2008-03-24 01:13PM | 0 recs
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"I may be mistaken but Im pretty sure there have been more poll that show him still popular then there are that show mine unpopular (sic)"

You may be right...but post them. Hoping that your statement is true - or having a gut feeling - is not enough.

My sense is that if WJC had stayed on the sideline (as he should have) - and if Mark Penn had not been hired - HRC would be the presumptive nominee now.

Look, I am a faithful democrat and I like WJC less now b/c of the divisive role he has played, b/c he has put the party (and arguably the country) behind his own blind ambition.

He should have risen above it and let HRC do it on her own...she didnt need him and in fact, he has hurt her by saying silly things on the path.

And if you dont think it is about him...you are naive.

by Newcomer 2008-03-24 01:18PM | 0 recs
"Blind ambition" -- I love it.

Sometimes listening to the Clinton haters here in the blogosphere I feel like I'm listening to ancient Aunt Annie May who was convinced she knew the contents of everyone else's heart.

"Why I just know that woman is scheming for Betty Lou's husband.  Just look at her!"

"Why that man is a snake in the grass who'd rather bite you than look at you.  He's got the evil eye, I tell you."

There is only ONE way that someone can be so certain of what is in someone else's heart:  By reading it directly from their own heart and projecting it outward.

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: "Blind ambition" -- I love it.

I dont hate Clinton. I am not very happy with the way she has run her campaign, especially the way she has been led by Penn and Wolfson - but I do not hate HRC....or WJC for that matter.

by Newcomer 2008-03-24 05:35PM | 0 recs
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I pray too, that if HRC is the nominee, they bring this stuff up - this is a guaranteed winner for us. It wasn't a popular attack when it was fresh - now it is sure to kill any chance for the Republicans.  Bring it on!

by cmugirl90 2008-03-24 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

It wont be about the blue dress...it will be about all of the other affairs that WJC has likely had in the interim. Once a cheater - almost always a cheater - and he has been running around the world on private jets, with rich (read dirty) people. Once the digging starts...WJC's lack of control over the xxxx will be the downfall of HRC, unfortunately. Michelle's unfortunate (but arguably defendable) comment will look like kidstuff.

by Newcomer 2008-03-24 01:20PM | 0 recs
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You have no proof. Your statements are generalizations that have no basis in fact and have no place in a forum such as this. There are lots of other places that will allow you to perpetuate this "fairy tale"

by pan230 2008-03-24 01:34PM | 0 recs
You may be right. Amazing, isn't it, how

easy it is to pin blame on a woman:

Obama gets in trouble with Wright - Hillary's fault.
Obama's passport file breached - Hillary's fault.
Obama can't nail the nomination, leading to protracted primary season - Hillary's fault.
Dean screws up with MI & FL - Hillary's fault.
Bill cheats on her with Monika - Hillary's fault.
Bill continues to have EM affairs - Hillary's fault.
Chris Matthews gets a hangnail - Hillary's fault.
Common cold - Hillary's fault.
Earthquake strikes Peru - Hillary's fault.

Folks, the Hillary problem is easily solved.  Get a vat of water.  Hold her head underwater for 5 minutes.  If she survives that, then you have proof she is a witch and you can then proceed to step 2, burning her at the stake.  If she drowns, well maybe you were wrong but no problem, she'll go to heaven.  Welcome to the year 1152.

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: You may be right. Amazing, isn't it, how

I am a DIE-HARD Obama supporter, and I don't consider any of the above to be Hillary's fault.

I think the fault lies in people who believe that any criticism of Hillary is just being raised because she's a woman.

Wouldn't it be just as (if not more) sexist for us NOT to level any criticism at her because she was a woman?  Yet that seems to be the knee-jerk reaction of most Hillary supporters.

Somebody said something bad about Hillary!  SEXIST!!!11one

Then they tend to cut Obama supporters at the pass while criticizing Barack, by ending their critiques with something along the lines of, "Watch, now the Obama folks are going to play the race card!"

Fun with double standards!

by doschi 2008-03-24 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: You may be right. Amazing, isn't it, how
Wow - you must have some issues.
IF you were responding to my comment - I never said it was HRCs fault. Your reponse is odd.
by Newcomer 2008-03-24 05:36PM | 0 recs
You guys are kidding, right? You

on Wright:  Candy Crowley on CNN accused the Clinton campaign of "pushing this Wright thing."  Rabid dkos diarists were saying she planned it somehow.

On Passport:  Obama's campaign hinted that Clinton might be behind this and quite a few 0s and 1s were devoted to speculation that she was behind it.

Obama blaming Hillary for tearing apart the party - You're joking right?  You've somehow missed the tsunami of calls for Clinton to quit so as to keep the party together?

Dean & MI/FL - Jack Cafferty on CNN said Hillary's call for a revote was "nonsense".  Jeff Toobin called it "unseemly whining".

Bill's cheating - ABC ran a salacious story on Hillary being in the White House when the blue dress got stained.  Tone suggested it was somehow an unfortunate failing of Hillary's, that this happened.

Bill's continuing EMAs - a comment to this very post posited that this would (justifiably) destroy her candidacy.

Chris Matthews hangnail, ommon cold and earthquake, yes, were exaggerations.  

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 05:59PM | 0 recs
It's only temporary, as the MSM

have swallowed Obama's race baiting claims of race baiting, and a few members of the northern democratic intelligentsia (who hate Clinton for his gutsy populist style) have pushed the meme as well.

It will all blow over once Obama is out of the news cycle.

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 01:29PM | 0 recs
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Bill is rated as the 3rd most popular president according to Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104380/JFK-Ro nald-Reagan-Win-Gallup-Presidents-Day-Po ll.aspx

by Actright 2008-03-24 02:22PM | 0 recs
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Obama and his followers must be proud of their success casting Bill Clinton as a racist! in order to boost Obama.
Another reason Obama is detested by some Dems.
by annefrank 2008-03-24 04:32PM | 0 recs
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WJC said several silly things. Hillary has - HERSELF - apologized on behalf of her husband. There is a general admission that his statements - especially concerning Jesse Jackson - were completely out of line and prompted by his inability to separate Barack's own success in SC from Jesse Jackson - b/c apparently he simply sees them as black.

Sorry...WJC screwed up - Hillary knows it and reigned him afterwards and she is still apologizing for HIS mistake.

IT was not Hillary - but Bill is surely guilty of this.

by Newcomer 2008-03-24 05:39PM | 0 recs
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Haha... LMAO....

Obama's mouth keeps saying "new politic" & "people are tired and don't want to hear any old politic rubbish".

Obama's hands sent picture of Bill & uncle Wright to NY time within 48 hrs of his glorious race speech.  

And now Obama's hands posted picture of  the blue dress on the front page..

Hahahaha...Obama's politic is new only because he lies better.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-24 01:01PM | 0 recs
That hatred that some progressives

feel for Bill Clinton is beyond all understanding.    

Please, Clinton haters obsessed with the blue dress, enlighten us!  Name one president or leader from any place on earth over the past 50 years that you would hold above Clinton, point for point:   on war, on economy, and on advancement of social issues.  

Or are you mad at him because he had the bad taste to actually win two elections?  I wonder if progressives aren't more comfortable losing and thus retaining their precious right to complain?

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-24 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: That hatred that some progressives

Makes you wonder if they're really progressives, doesn't it?

by LakersFan 2008-03-24 03:44PM | 0 recs
what a piece of shit

and I bet Barack Hussein Obama will coddle him too like they did to Wright.

by DiamondJay 2008-03-24 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: what a piece of shit

With all due respect, your comment is ridiculous.

by Newcomer 2008-03-24 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

As an Obama supporter, I find Fischer's "blue dress" comment to be way over the top.

It's not Ferraro-league offensive, but it's offensive nonetheless.

I'm glad Fischer removed it from his blog and apologized.

by jdusek 2008-03-24 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008
Typical filth and trash from "The Party of Change"
ahhh ... I mean "The Party of SHAME"
by IndyRobin 2008-03-24 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

I thought Obama said he didn't support this type of negative campaigning.  More of my friends who support Obama are reading these comments  and starting to question the Obama campaign's sincerity regarding running a clean election.  They do not want to be associated with this type of trash campaigning-can't blame them.  

by Athena2 2008-03-24 03:39PM | 0 recs
As an Obama supporter

...dumb thing to say.  No reason to bring that up.

Just to play devils advocate though, I believe how he would have put it, had he gone back and had someone look it over, is...

"The questioning of an honorable and patriotic man's love of his country is much more deeply offensive than a silly sex scandal."

Still a dumb thing to say, and it undercuts itself by nature by being just as offensive as the original comment he was replying to...the point is he brought up the sex scandal to point out it was meaningless compared to a real offense.

What he should have said if he wanted to condemn the words, something along the lines of, "It is unpatriotic to question someone's patriotism."

...wait that one doesn't work either.  I give up.

by furiousxgeorge 2008-03-24 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

So much for Obama's statement about not wanting to refight the 90's! LOL!

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-24 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Obama should wish he was Bill Clinton.  BC didn't have to fight this hard just to win his party's primary.  Despite controversy during Clinton's campaign, he easily won the nomination. He was also one of the highest in popularity when leaving office.  Obama should be so lucky.  

by Scotch 2008-03-24 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Bill Clinton is the only Democrat who managed to get himself elected president in 28 years.  He left office with a 68% approval rating.  While life was not perfect during his administration (he had to contend with a Republican-controlled Congress for the most part), it was much better than anything we have known before or after, for a long, long time.  And when the Republicans lauded Saint Ronnie, we could say, yes, but Brother Bill was better.

But now his legacy - and our political advantage - has been systematically destroyed, not by Republicans, but by people who call themselves Democrats.

by Larissa 2008-03-24 04:27PM | 0 recs
oh come on.
so someone forced bill clinton to make a mess on the blue dress?
someone forced him to lie? someone forced him to have sex with a 21 year girl?  bit's not his fault? it's the fault of the republicans?
he made this mess. he messed it up for gore. we lost seat in the house and senate two years into the presidency. massive seats.
he was selfish and greedy and now he's back to mess it up again.
like a horror movie. they keep coming back.
by TheFullBerry 2008-03-24 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

FWIW, Karl Rove said that Obama's campaign has been careeing out of control. I think he might be onto something here. They sure aren't coming off as a well oiled machine.

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-24 05:31PM | 0 recs
that's MYDD.

also known as MYGOP. quoting karl rove again as a reliable source. pathetic . this is so sad.

by TheFullBerry 2008-03-24 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: that's MYDD.

Do you think the above statements show confidence? No they don't and simply restating what Karl Rove said is nothing more than putting it out there.

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-24 05:49PM | 0 recs
I haven't heard Obama bring up once

the fact that Bill Clinton (Hillary's husband) was impeached while in office, the first president since Andrew Jackson to be impeached, in fact, for lying under oath.  That's a very, very significant and unavoidable part of the history of the Clinton administration that will be one of the first things mentioned about them in every high school history book from now until the end of the republic.  

But Obama has not brought it up once, as far as I know.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the statement that the aide made, other than the fact that it makes people here mad, but give them some credit for trying to be sensitive enough to you to remove it after cooler heads intervened.

And I still don't understand something.  People here have been complaing for so long that Obama is not vetted, that some day we'll hear the real goods on him, then he'll be "toast," that this Wright thing will be thrown at him ad infinitum all the way until November.  And yet the grisly facts and details of Bill Clinton's historic impeachment trial are somehow too tasteless to bring up?  Isn't there something a bit one-sided about this?

by Dumbo 2008-03-24 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I haven't heard Obama bring up once

Bill Clinton is not Hillary Clinton.  I personally have the highest regard for his Presidency and the good visited upon the country during his terms.  Yet, please be advised that Hillary Clinton--a woman--is separate from her husband.  So...I'm not quite sure that I understand whatever point you tried to make.

by christinep 2008-03-24 06:40PM | 0 recs
If they are not the same person

then why is Richardson being called a Judas by Carville?  (And he won't apologize for it.)  Richardson worked for Bill, not Hillary!  And yet nobody seems to point out this contradiction because we all just kind of get it that this is a reinstatement of the Clinton administration, but this time with Hillary getting top billing.

by Dumbo 2008-03-24 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

1. there is absolutely no evidence, no hint, no tie that the Clinton campaign had anything to do with the airing of the Wright tapes.  If anything, they were noticably silent through the flap.

2. Here's what I heard Bill Clinton say -- it would be great to have a race between two true patriots for once -- you veterans all see McCain as a true patriot and Hillary is one too. If she runs against McCain that's what you'll get, woo hoo.   He didn't dig on Obama and I don't see any implication of anything other than Bill was campaigning for his wife and not Obama.

3. Every time Obama or one of his operatives makes a  positive statement about him, do they automatically qualify it with a "and Senator Clinton too" ?  OF course they don't.  Obama has all the "judgement" Obama has always "opposed the war" Obama is the only "candidate of real change".
This is all BS and Obama knows it.  It's also politics as usual.  

4.  I'm not sure, on the tail of the Wright controversy, how it is the average American is just supposed to assume Obama's "patriotism".  If anything, he demonstrates a different form of patriotism than the guys down at the VFW are accustomed to.  So, even if Bill was trying to frame that distinction which I still contend he wasn't, so what?  The old boy VFW crowd has it's own "patriotism" yardstick.  My guess is for many of them Obama isn't meeting it.  I can't believe anyone in that audience would have gotten within fifty feet of Rev.  Wright after knowing about any one of those anti-American comments -- no questions asked no explanations accepted -- and probably half of them would like to slug Rev. Wright.  But hey, they still vote and "patriotism" is their hot button issue.  How the hell is this any different that Obama telling some college crowd he was the "only candidate with the judgement to speech out against the war"?

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-24 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Monica's Blue Dress - 2008

Obama folks have stooped to the lowest form.  Make a false claim and then go through the garbage.  Nice.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-24 06:39PM | 0 recs

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