Torture the Crotch Bomber

Crossposted from the Motley Moose

Pat Buchanan and others on the political right are suggesting that the Crotch Bomber should be denied pain medication to extract information from him. Bush-era Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge is suggesting that holding him in prison and trying him in federal courts - as the Bush administration did with the like-minded Shoe Bomber - is a travesty, apparently believing he should be somewhere else where we can use (sic) "more effective means" of extracting information from him.

That's not the American Way, guys, recent evidence to the contrary.  It's the Way of other folks - the ones we traditionally fight against.

I can't bring myself to state strongly enough how wrong this is.  As an itinerant ex-pat who is furiously patriotic to this country, the whole idea that the United States of America should do things like withhold pain medication from prisoners with burns to their testicles makes me batshit crazy with anger.  

One of my failings is an addiction to Dale Brown novels.  They are at best poorly-written and at worst purely playing to prurient fantasies of Righteous Testosterone-induce Justice.  But they're full of damn cool weapons systems and really evil bad-guys that you just can't help wanting to see killed in spectacular ways.  A more gung-ho munitions-packed gratuitously-violent paean to the virtues of American Moral Exceptionalism and the Clear Justification for Killing Its Enemies is very hard to find.

One of the mechanisms Mr. Brown uses time and again to setup the odds-against rescue of captured American Warriors is to make it overwhelming clear that if we don't go in there with rockets blazing and Get Our Man Out those evil fuckers will torture him to death! The miserable cronies of the narcissistic Dictator will break his limbs and mind while denying him pain medication until the brave lad is a gibbering wreck.

This is why America holds the higher ground over al Qaeda, the Waffen SS, Somali warlords and all the rest of the real and fictional embodiments of the Evil that Lurks in the Hearts of Men.  Because we not only don't do these things but that the mere suggestion that someone would is enough to make us risk everything to stop it.

At what point the moral and ethical people among the political Right (we all know they exist) stand up and call bullshit on the line of ill-reasoning that stands the foundation of American ethics on its head is something we all are waiting to learn.  When does the Newspeak of "torture is freedom" break free from the bonds of political expediency and shatter the glass walls of personal gain?

When will a Senator Joseph Paine break and speak the truth, that there is something special worth protecting about America, whatever the cost?

Tags: crotch bomber, torture (all tags)



Rep. Steve King (IA-05)

sounds scared to have this guy tried in the U.S.:

Congressman Steve King says the suspected terrorist who tried to blow up a plane bound for Detroit should be taken to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. King, a Republican from western Iowa, says the man should be not be tried in the American court system.

"We ought to be taking a look at taking people like this `Christmas Day Bomber' and declaring them to be an `enemy combatant' even if they have set foot in the United States. This plot took place in a foreign country and I don't even know if he was over U.S. airspace when this actually happened. This no one's asked that question that I know of," King says.  "I'd take him and put him down at Gitmo and I'd take a look at trying them all in military tribunals."

King is among those who oppose taking the suspected terrorists who've been held in Cuba and moving them to a prison in Illinois.  

"And we're going to set them 15 miles from the Mississippi River? Fifteen miles from Iowa? And grant them constitutional rights?  The worst of the worst?" King says.  "Two of them that were released from Gitmo were half of the four perpetrators who were strategists, planners for this Christmas Day bombing."

I am so tired of this big, tough Republicans who think our justice and prison system can't handle a suspected terrorist.

by desmoinesdem 2009-12-30 10:51AM | 1 recs
Re: Rep. Steve King (IA-05)

It's not that they think the justice system can't handle it, they actively prefer the dictatorship/no accountability route.

They're cowards, pure and simple.

by vecky 2009-12-30 10:57AM | 0 recs
I think these guys read Dale Brown

but they miss the point.

by chrisblask 2009-12-30 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Steve King (IA-05)

I don't think they're cowards.  I think they're out of ideas and they have to run on something.  It's completely amoral politicking.

by the mollusk 2009-12-30 12:44PM | 0 recs
I don't think they're cowards

I think they're monsters, but it's more fun to paint them as cowards, since I think most Americans are monsters themselves when it comes down to things like this.

by ND22 2009-12-30 01:10PM | 0 recs
More than non-Americans?

History shows that the urge to torture and maim "enemies" is part of human nature -- public executions used to be entertainment.  I don't think this is anything more than political expediency's appeal to natural human cruelty.

by TexasDarling 2009-12-30 03:41PM | 0 recs

This is not a modern American tendency at all, less so here than most cultures in history (even our own).  These folks are just doing anything to win the game without applying any ethical filter whatsoever.

It is, frankly, revolting - and I'm not even a GOP-hater by nature.

by chrisblask 2009-12-30 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Rep. Steve King (IA-05)

Do these politicians ever see the irony of sending these criminals to Cuba?

I'm somewhat surprised not one of them has ever said, "Look, torture is taking place in Cuba with Castro's knowledge".

by Khun David 2009-12-30 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Torture the Crotch Bomber

Can someone tell me the name of a movie that came out four or five years ago and documented the rhetorical strategy used to sell wars to the American public?  I never saw the movie, but it apparently outlines in rather meticulous detail the steps the media-industrial complex takes to make war seem at first incremental, next benign, and finally inevitable.  Does this ring a bell?

I bring it up because I'm extremely uncomfortable with the language I'm hearing in the MSM these days about Yemen and Iran.

by the mollusk 2009-12-30 12:43PM | 0 recs
RE: Re: Torture the Crotch Bomber
I don't recall a movie, but a terrific book that goes into that is "war is a force that gives us meaning" by Chris Hedges.
by Jerome Armstrong 2009-12-31 01:54PM | 0 recs
RE: Re: Torture the Crotch Bomber
wag the dog. btw - what the hell happened to mydd?
by canadian gal 2010-01-02 08:38PM | 0 recs
It's an upgrade

Still has some work to do, obviously.  Being able to see new comments and your own comment list is the biggest thing missing imho - I can't tell what is new so it kinda kills the purpose of checking if anyone has added anything.

by chrisblask 2010-01-04 05:51PM | 0 recs


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