Goodbye, Ralph Nader [UPDATED]

And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

When I first saw this I said "I hate giving kudos to FOX" - but that isn't true.  It's nice to see that their folks have some common decency.

Ralph?  Don't ever cross my path again.

Can I get an "amen"?

Tags: don't come back, end, goodbye, nader, the end (all tags)

Comments

97 Comments

Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Scumbag.

by chubbar 2008-11-05 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Couldn't disagree more. Nader has watched over the years as the Democratic party became more Republican, and refuted its association with FDR New Deal Democrats including the socialist paths Kennedy and Johnson, which is now only represented by the lonely Dennis Kucinish in congress. Everyone else went the way of the Clintons, the new Democratic party of Republican Lites. It got so bad that people like Nader could only assert that there is no difference today between the Republicans and the Democrats, thanks to the Reagan revolution, the greed is good crowd, and memes like the "poor" (and Blacks) suck, and free market capitalism is everything. We were lucky in fact to get away from the right wing Republicans without everyone losing their social security to the stock market crash.

Say what you like about Nader, but no American that I am aware of has saved as many lives as he has with his lifework.

Nader is who he is because the Democratic party changed after Reagan. Don't blame him; blame ourselves.

by shyboy 2008-11-06 05:46AM | 0 recs
Hmmm. Let me think...

No. I blame him.

I have a vintage corvair here for Ralph to ride off into obscurity. I've never seen anyone do more to tarnish the record of his early life and turn what could have been a sterling place in history into a black mark.

Ralph. Go home. Enjoy your retirement. Stay away from microphones. Please.

by Travis Stark 2008-11-06 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

nonsense.

he is responsible for what he says.

if you dont think so, tll us who wrote your words for you?, so i can tell them what an idiot they are.

by JadeZ 2008-11-06 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I disagree with you completely.

That said, you're expressing an opinion, not trolling.  I'm uprating for that reason.

by Dreorg 2008-11-06 08:36AM | 0 recs
NADER IS AGAINST MINUMUM FUCKING WAGE

Fuck him to death up the asshole with a glass covered dildo, then push that same dildo down his throat so far that it reaches his stomach and sends those juices everywhere as he commits harikiri.

Can you tell I used to work for PIRG? Yes, I was paid less than minimum wage to go canvass for a summer.

by RisingTide 2008-11-06 10:03AM | 0 recs
That kind of hatred and vile language

does not belong on this website.

You seem to endorse rape.  You are no progressive.

by TomP 2008-11-06 10:49AM | 0 recs
I don't agree with all of this,

but there is absolutely no basis to troll rate it.

If the troll rater just wants people to follwo blindly, maybe red state is where he or she belongs.  It's okay to disagree.  That comment disagreed civilly.

by TomP 2008-11-06 10:48AM | 0 recs
??? clearly racial under tones.

Just because your liberal does not mean you can't be racist, or have stereotype beliefs or biases. For years Ralph Nader have railed against Kerry and Gore, holding back no punches. Not once that I can recall he referred to Kerry or Gore as an Uncle Tom or anything that referred to their racial/ethnic background to get his point across. Nader takes a page out of the repug playbook by use of the "?". His argument, he did not call Obama an Uncle Tom just questioned will he become one.

Ironic that Faux News was the one to call him on it first, even though I'm pretty sure Faux has some alterer motive for this, that most likely has nothing to do with helping or defending President-elect Obama. We'll see.

by FLS 2008-11-07 06:54AM | 0 recs
Ever hear of Jonas Salk?

That's the first person who popped into my head who no doubt saved more lives than Ralph Nader.

I agree with you, though, to a point, and yes, Nader has done a lot of good. But the bad is starting to outweigh the good, and he's clearly an egomaniac who cares solely these days about getting in front of a camera, regardless of the damage it's doing to his reputation.

And if Nader hadn't run in 2000, Gore almost certainly wins New Hampshire. What happened in Florida would have been irrelevant, Gore would have been president, and these past eight years would have been a hell of a lot better.

Ralph needs to go away.

by BenderRodriguez 2008-11-07 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Wow. For years I've thought he was an egomaniac who didn't have the country's best interests at heart. But with this he's sunk to a new low -- a low that's far, far lower than I could ever imagine.

by LakersFan 2008-11-05 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Wow indeed.  That's just sad. He reminds me a bit of Richard Stallman, who did a lot of good for Free (or Open Source) software, but such a blind ideologue that he doesn't think twice about damaging his own cause.

"Better to keep silent..."

by username 2008-11-05 03:33PM | 0 recs
That's often the case with one-issue people

God, what an incredibly bad president this guy would make.  Could you just imagine him negotiating anything with anyone?

by chrisblask 2008-11-05 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Stallman is a freak!  He looks like Rasputin, and his "open source" purity trolling, if actually listened to, would have destroyed Linux and everything related to it!

by LordMike 2008-11-05 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I have to defend Stallman a little bit. I think of him more as a Kucinich than a Nader - too far to the "extreme" end of the movement to be really popular or have his ideas taken seriously by a lot of the establishment, and not a good enough advocate to build a mainstream movement around, but a very important "voice crying out in the wilderness" nonetheless, if only to move the Overton Window in the right direction.

I disagree with him on many things and many of specific notions he advocates are pointless, counterproductive or self-defeating. But don't forget that neither Linux nor any of the other mainstream open source projects we have today (like Firefox) would even exist without him. He DID actually create what became known as the open source movement in the first place, even if he had to be sidelined in order for it to move to the mainstream.

And even if you disagree with all this - at least give him enough respect to not use a term he hates (open source) to denigrate his "purity trolling". That's like using "socialized medicine" in a rant against Kucinich.

by sab39 2008-11-06 05:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

To Ralph Nader:  "See ya.  Wouldn't wanna be ya!"  :)

by ChitownDenny 2008-11-05 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Progressivism

Ralph is one of the last great progressives on the national scene.

Say hello to triangulation with President Goldman Sachs, er, I mean, Obama.

And it is truly stunning how fucking ignorant Nader haters are; how profoundly contemptuous of democratic principles you are.

Pathetic.

by neaguy 2008-11-05 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Progressivism

It seems to me that we are exercising democratic principles in calling out Nader's idiocy.

by rfahey22 2008-11-05 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Progressivism

Someone posted without watching, methinks.

by Dreorg 2008-11-05 03:49PM | 0 recs
You lose

We need to come up with a term for people who recognize their own irrelevance privately, deny it publicly, and say crazy stuff from this position.  Nader is the king, but Kucinich, Paul, Gravel, and Tancredo deserve honorable mention.

by username 2008-11-05 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: You lose

Ralph Nader is proof positive that one need not be a right-wing Republican in order to be unaware that the parade has passed you by.

by spirowasright 2008-11-05 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: You lose

Fringe candidates.

by Nathan Empsall 2008-11-05 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: You lose

Ah, I didn't vote for Dennis, but he is a sitting, tenured congressman.

I consider than "relevant."

by Bush Bites 2008-11-05 05:03PM | 0 recs
Dennnis is a good guy

and infinitely more real than Nader.  I wouldn't put him in the same class, but I could never see him as pres (but I'd love to have him on a debate team, any day :~).

by chrisblask 2008-11-05 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Dennnis is a good guy

Dennis does get much better quality action in the bedroom. As much as I defend Nader's right to be the spoiler(someone's gotta do the dirty work to keep the mainstream honest), Nader does need to get laid once in a while to maintain sanity.

by Pravin 2008-11-07 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: You lose

Don't get me wrong -- I admire Kucinich (not to mention Mrs. Kucinich), and he's a fine representative, but he's a sideshow as a presidential candidate.

by username 2008-11-05 05:54PM | 0 recs
Mrs. Kucinich

[drool]

Er, wait, was someone talking?

by Dracomicron 2008-11-06 04:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Mrs. Kucinich

Indeed.  I'd say he came out best of all the Dems in 2004.

by username 2008-11-06 02:29PM | 0 recs
Please go bash

our Democratic president-elect elsewhere. You Nader people are ridiculous. You're a joke. And I am not in the mood to tolerate trolls. Have a donut for defending that race-baiting bastard.

And though I'm shocked to be saying it, major props to Smith.

by sricki 2008-11-05 04:23PM | 0 recs
(d)

by chrisblask 2008-11-05 04:47PM | 0 recs
I was a Nader guy once

then I turned 22 and pulled my head out of my ass.

by JJE 2008-11-05 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Shepard Smith gets fiesty every now and again.

by Dreorg 2008-11-05 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I've never heard someone say "really" as a question better than he did in my life.

That was awesome.

by Jess81 2008-11-05 07:28PM | 0 recs
Shep Smith is a bully

pure and simple; but Ralph wouldn't let him bully.

by neaguy 2008-11-07 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Shepherd Smith or whatever his name is grandstanding, but it doesn't serve Nader's or anyone's interest to use the term "Uncle Tom".

The point that Nader was trying to actually make was in a non-racial context, calling out Obama for support of corporate interests. It's weird but if Nader had ever been a major candidate he would likely take heat for being an Arab-American.

Nader being stupid.  

by wengler 2008-11-05 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I've got to give props to Smith. Not just this, but his interview with Joe the Plumber and his reporting from Jefferson Parish, LA during Katrina. Every cloud has a silver lining, maybe he's Faux's.

by Nathan Empsall 2008-11-05 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

He also defended Obama to the Fox News morning goofs, who claimed Obama was afraid of interviews with Fox or something.

I get the feeling he'd like to be a real newsman before too long and he doesn't want his reputation to get too trashed while at Fox.

by Bush Bites 2008-11-05 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

That was Major Garrett, who's a correspondent (unless Smith defended him as well).  

by bosdcla14 2008-11-05 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I've despised the bastard for years. Now I despise him more, and feel less guilty about it.

by QTG 2008-11-05 04:53PM | 0 recs
Nader is truly irrelevant now...just wondering

how long Shepherd Smith will really last in Faux...

by louisprandtl 2008-11-05 05:28PM | 0 recs
Just Remember

"There's not a nickel's worth of difference between Gore and Bush"
- Ralph Nader, 2000

Words of wisdom.

Yep, Gore would have invaded Iraq based on bogus "evidence", right, Ralph?

Gore would've authorized torture and illegal wiretaps, right, Ralph?

And Gore would've appointed Roberts and Alito and Gonzalez and Norton and Rumsfeld, right, Ralph?

Hint - every one of those things is far more than a "nickel's" worth!

by Collideascope 2008-11-05 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Just Remember

It was typical campaign hyperbole engaged by all politicians. The essential message was that the difference was not good enough. Exhibit A: Lieberman was on the ticket and he has turned out to be a first class scoundrel who was not only a bigger cheerleader of the Iraq war than the majority of Republicans, but he has also recently said that it would be bad for the country if Democrats got 60 seats. Yet, there are still questions if Harry Reid would get rid of him???? Kick the SOB out right now!!!!

People like Lieberman did a lot more damage from within the party by constantly bashing the liberals. I am not even liberal on some key issues(Death penalty, school choice) and yet I feel the need to stand up to liberals thanks to the Democrats like Harold Ford and former ones like Lieberman.

by Pravin 2008-11-06 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I can't get the movie to play on my phone...  but I am reccing because Nader needs to go back to consumer advocatipm like 9 years ago to late.

by canadian gal 2008-11-05 05:57PM | 0 recs
He used the Uncle Tom label for Obama.

To quote:

"To put it very simply, he is our first African American President - or he will be - and we wish him well.  But his choice, basically, is whether he's going to be Uncle Sam for the people of this county or Uncle Tom for the giant corporations."

In his defense of his comments, he explains how Obama is already Uncle Tom and provides no apology or caveat for depicting him thus, zero-none-fullstop.

For anyone fortunate enough to be unfamiliar with Uncle Tom, it is the label for stereotype of the obsequious, grinning, broken black man wringing his cap in his hands while "yes, massa"ing his white owner.  The singlemost offensive racial depiction of a human being that can be uttered in the english language.

I'd like to be able to caveat his comment with some explanation of how truly inept, dense, callous and ignorant he is in his use of human communication, but I so much want to put a sack over his head and kick him that I am not in the mood to be reasonable.

by chrisblask 2008-11-05 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: He used the Uncle Tom label for Obama.

oh my dear lord.  what a fracking moron.  seriously this guy is messed up.

by canadian gal 2008-11-06 05:49AM | 0 recs
Re: He used the Uncle Tom label for Obama.

As a supporter of Obama, I do not agree that Obama is an Uncle Tom, obviously. But if Nader feels that way, I do not think it is racist. I know of many liberals of all races who have called Clarence THomas an Uncle Tom. Nader is offbase in calling Obama an Uncle Tom, but that is because of Nader's stubborn views, not because it is racist. He has his own standards of judging.

by Pravin 2008-11-06 06:42AM | 0 recs
It's not about Nader being "a racist",

though by a clean definition of applying stereotypes to people based on their race it is strictly true.  I don't believe he harbors ill-will towards people based on their race, but even he does not deny that he believes that people should act in given ways based on their race.

It's about Nader being a complete jerk.  

"For the purpose of politics" - iow, to have any real power to change the world - people use human communication in cognizant ways.  Nader lacks this mental hardware, and simply spouts whatever string of words presents itself to his speech center with the foreknowledge that whatever those words happen to be are the correct ones because he said them.  It is the effective equivalent of walking around the streets naked and covered with excrement hoarsely screaming an opinion and afterwards complaining that people are being unfair because they don't stop to listen to you.

People like Nader make a mockery of whatever side they are on.  If he was on my side I'd send him on a worldwide search for a paper stretcher or just duct-tape his fat mouth shut for the duration.

by chrisblask 2008-11-06 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: He used the Uncle Tom label for Obama.

Use of the term is racist, pure and simple.  

I take Nader's point to be that Obama's test is whether he will be faithful to the ideals expressed in his speeches or whether he will sell out to corporate interests like so many administrations in the past.

The question is why not just say that?  Calling someone a "sell out" is racially neutral and gets across the point.  Does anyone really think Nader would have used the term "Uncle Tom" if this had been Edwards that just won?  Nader made the choice to use that term and defended his use of it several times in the interview.

by lowdog 2008-11-06 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: He used the Uncle Tom label for Obama.

Are you frakking kidding?   Calling an African-American "Uncle Tom" in any setting is as racist as using the term "ni##er."  It is a racist slur.  Why are you defending the description here?

by devilrays 2008-11-06 10:53AM | 0 recs
Are you being serious?

You see nothing wrong with calling an African American an Uncle Tom?

Not racist?

Wow.

by spacemanspiff 2008-11-06 12:32PM | 0 recs
Any white person who presumes to

call an African-American an "Uncle Tom" is a racist asshole.

Per se.

No exceptions.

by Geekesque 2008-11-06 06:41PM | 0 recs
Is that guy still around?

What?

He ran for POTUS when?

This year?

Again?

Fuck. Glad I missed him.

by spacemanspiff 2008-11-05 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Is that guy still around?

I dont even remember seeing his name on my ballot. Then again, as soon as I saw Obama, I checked his name and was too busy voting for the numerous DEmocratic challengers on my GA ballot.

by Pravin 2008-11-06 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

As they say in the airline industry: "Buh-bye!"

by baghdadjoe 2008-11-05 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I knew Nader in 1968.  He was then, and has been forever after, a SLIMEBALL SCUM BAG !

That's why I couldn't believe when so many voted for Nader in 2000 and handed the keys to GWB.

I'd like to punch the shit head in the face.

by wblynch 2008-11-05 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

All, I gotta say is at least this time Nader was taking away votes from McCain... those few PUMA's who couldn't vote fro a black man voted for Nader instead of McCain...

So, sorry, Ralph... your attempt to put republicans in power failed big time on you!

by LordMike 2008-11-05 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Nader has been a harsher critic of the Republicans than stalwart Democrats like Hillary Clinton during the biggest Bush blunders of the last 10 years. He may have an ego. But wrong criticism.

by Pravin 2008-11-06 06:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

He ran ads in Florida putting Obama, yes, socialist-marxist-communist Obama, on the exact same level as McCain,  because both supported the bailout bill.  Why are you defending Nader so much?  Are you one of his supporters?  

by devilrays 2008-11-06 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

I think I made it clear I voted for Obama. I even ran as a delegate for Obama. It doesn't mean I do not believe in checks on the system. The Republicans abuse those checks. So who can do the credible checks on the Democrats? So the only valid checks can come from someone close to our side. As much as I am contemptuous of a person like Cynthia McKinney, I am able to sometimes see the positive points in what she does. I do the same with Nader (though to a larger extent). I do not agree with the Uncle Tom comment by Nader only because he hasn't given Obama a chance to show what he can do.

But the bailout bill was not exactly a proud moment for most politicians of both parties. Look at how AIG has been unchecked in what they have done with the smaller amount.

by Pravin 2008-11-07 06:06AM | 0 recs
gag me with a spoon n/t

by optimusprime 2008-11-05 08:11PM | 0 recs
'time is up'

indeed

by optimusprime 2008-11-05 08:16PM | 0 recs
He made racist comments earlier

this year.  Some people INSISTED that it was us Obama supporters playing the race card.

No, as it turns out, Ralph Nader is just a pathetic old racist has-been.

by Geekesque 2008-11-05 08:39PM | 0 recs
It could have come down to Ohio

And Nader's 1% there could have given the election to McCain-Palin.

For all the good he did in his life, he's turned into a Republican enabler - playing chicken with elections that are literally a matter of life and death for individuals, for the country and for the planet.

To beat the various forms of electoral fraud, you can't just win - you have to win by a landslide - Nader just adds one more level of unnecessary difficulty.

It's not that I don't get his point that there's not enough a real choice between dems and repubs. The democrats suck. But the solution is instant runoff voting and THAT'S what Nader should spend the rest of his life fighting for - not making an already bad system worse by skewing the vote in a system that - with the current laws - will never elect a 3rd party candidate.

by obsessed 2008-11-05 10:21PM | 0 recs
Lemme see:

Just based on a 1% pull for the aptly-named Ralphcost Obama Missouri (28,000 votes)

R    John McCain    50%    1,442,613     
D    Barack Obama    49%    1,436,745

11 electoral votes that could have made the difference in a tighter outcome.

by chrisblask 2008-11-06 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Lemme see:

Don't assume that if Nader was off the ballot, we would have won MO.  In fact, we might have lost in greater numbers.  Look at my post below.  Nader's support came from PUMAs and such who would have voted McCain if they didn't have the Nader choice.  McCain lost votes because of Nader, not Obama.

by LordMike 2008-11-06 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Lemme see:

Why?  We now know that the PUMA effect was highly overstated.  Chances are they would have held their nose and voted Obama anyway, rather than give their vote to McCain.  Or simply stayed home.  

by devilrays 2008-11-06 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: It could have come down to Ohio

Obama had a superior ground game to the incompetent campaign run by stale fat cat consultants in the Gore campaign. And lets thank Obama for not hiring that loser Shrum.

Wrong analogy. If the DEmocrats had such a good ground game mobilizing the base in FL 2000, Nader would have been irrelevant. If the DEmocrats did a good job curbing the CEO excesses that continued under the Clintons, Nader would have been irrelevant. Clinton was a good President, but there was still much left to be desired in terms of profiteering off of one's government position.

by Pravin 2008-11-06 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: It could have come down to Ohio

Not this time...

If you take a look around the states, you will see that Nader got a lot more votes in Ohio than in most other states.  Last week, CNN had a head to head poll between Obama and McCain in Ohio and a poll with everyone on the ballot.  Obama gained 3 points in polling with Nader on the ballot.

It's not hard to figure out why... the few remaining PUMA's didn't want to vote for Obama, but decided not to vote for McCain.  They chose Nader instead.

Nader actually siphoned votes from McCain this year, not Obama... which I'm sure annoys our favorite Republican Ralph Nader very much!

by LordMike 2008-11-06 08:06AM | 0 recs
Idiotic reasoning!

n/t

by neaguy 2008-11-07 01:01PM | 0 recs
Amen to that!

That useless twit owes me my vote back.

by Bob Sackamento 2008-11-06 02:43AM | 0 recs
Goodbye, Ralph Nader

One word: racist.

by RAULC 2008-11-06 03:17AM | 0 recs
One word about you

Ignorant

by neaguy 2008-11-07 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

Ralph, we have a choice for you.

You can genuinely influence public policy in this country or throw away that influence by saying Gore and Bush are the same in 2000, and Obama is an Uncle Tom.

Ralph's choice: I'll get more done on the fringe.

Ciao baby. Stay busy.

by NY Writer 2008-11-06 04:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

If Nader was part of the party, he would not have had any more influence. Haven't the Gores and OBamas compromised with unsavory elements within the party in the name of politics? Hell, Clinton went and praised Murtha for his earmarks on the campaign trail.

It is easy for you to say Nader should work within the party. But the 90s culture really sold out to the corporations. Last time I checked, Clinton was in power. Clintonites from his cabinet have made millions after leaving government. Isnt' that indirect corruption. Republicans do it worse. But that does not excuse the corruption among democrats. One shouldn't be able to profit off of government service but that is what politicians of both parties routinely do.

by Pravin 2008-11-06 06:29AM | 0 recs
There's a better way

If Ralph wanted real influence, he should've built a real movement by taking local, state and lower national offices, whether as a Democrat or as a third party candidate.

As it stands, he wanted people to vote for a guy who had never held elected office previously as President of the United States.

I'd feel a lot more sympathy if he didn't try to jump to the head of the line without really paying his dues to the American public.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-06 06:37AM | 0 recs
major mojo!!!

i have always thought this exact thing.  seriously nader's political statementshave severe consequences and yet he still keeps doing it.

by canadian gal 2008-11-06 10:56AM | 0 recs
Thanks

Nader always betrayed a certain weakness to me.  He wants to brag about how close he came to the big desk, but has no patience to try for it the real way.  He makes more hay out of trying to screw the Democrats and then crying foul as the Disadvantaged Little Guy when they inevitably retaliate.

Then, when Obama adopts nearly all of Nader's platform, he finds some reason to still consider Obama an enemy so he can keep up the routine.  Pathetic.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-06 11:41AM | 0 recs
Superb analysis

The Democrats, most of them, joined the corporate party.

Look at Obama's economic transition team: a couple of liberal and a bunch of corporate, anti union types, oh, and some deregulators.

Pathetic.

by neaguy 2008-11-07 01:03PM | 0 recs
I am not surprised

I blogged about this old racist dirtbag in June, when he was going on and on about how:

There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards."

...

"I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law," Nader said. "Haven't heard a thing."

What a jagbag.

The fact of the matter is that Nader and Obama talked on the phone once early this year and Obama didn't cave to Nader's agenda, so Nader went on Meet the Press and proclaimed his candidacy.  Chances of Nader ever getting a gig that high-profile again?  Probably zip.  He had his chance to get the Obama bus of relevancy and blew it.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-06 05:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader
You can say goodbye Nader. But tell me this. Why were the DEmocrats asleep during the Iraq war buildup. Why were the democrats asleep during the ridiculous bailout?
Is Nader extreme? Sure, at times. But you need a fringe element to keep the middle honest. If yoiu think the Democrats did a good job as a responsible opposition, you are dreaming. The Democrats as a party were grossly derelict in their duty to keep the Bushians in check. They did not do enough in their two years with a majority to undo some of the Bushian financial mess. Why was the bailout scandal so sudden? Shouldn't the DEmocrats have been focused on this for two years?
by Pravin 2008-11-06 06:25AM | 0 recs
Kucinich is 'fringe.' Nader is an egomaniac

You should have heard the rhetoric of the Nader supporters earlier this year.  They made the PUMAs look reasonable; I swear they must've taken most of their talking points from Hannity and NoQuarter.

Nader craves power, and the only power he currently has is to siphon support from Democrats.  He's not seriously fighting for instant runoff voting, he's trying to be the spoiler, again and again.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-06 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Kucinich is 'fringe.' Nader is an egomaniac

Were there any Nader supporters at any time this year? I do not even recall meeting or hearing about a single one(not that there weren't, but if the visibility was that low, i doubt there were that many to even worry about). All I saw on TV were a few Nader appearances. No Naderites.

Hell, I have stood up for Nader on this blog in the past and even I was not sure if he was running or not. His supporters visibility was that low.

by Pravin 2008-11-06 07:15AM | 0 recs
They had a convention in Minnesota

During the Republican convention, the Nader people had a mini-convention just like Ron Paul.

I went to one of their meetings.  Scary stuff; it was almost all pissed off older white people who have been screwed by their government for so long, they can't believe that a major party president won't corncob them.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-06 07:20AM | 0 recs
Good point, but...

What has Nader been doing for the past two years, for that matter? or the past four, or the past eight? I didn't see him predicting the financial crisis, or opposing the bailout.

There are but two possible reasons for this: one, he's an egomaniacal hypocrite that craves the brief publicity his quadrennial foolishness affords him; or two, he's irrelevant, which puts paid to the idea that he can keep the Democrats - or anyone else - honest.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the Democrats desperately need to grow a spine and have truly been derelict in their duty. I just don't believe that Nader either can or wants to change that.

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-06 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

What an ass.  Go away Ralph Nader.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-11-06 06:28AM | 0 recs
I said Good Day Sir!

He and LieBerman can sneak off behind the bleachers and give each other handjobs.

by mydailydrunk 2008-11-06 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader

fuck nader. i am glad he got less votes than 2004. scumbag he is.

by terrondt 2008-11-06 08:58AM | 0 recs
FYI, the freepers are out in force commenting

on the second video.  If you have some pent-up flaming in you, feel free to vent in the comment thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2d Io

by chrisblask 2008-11-06 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader [UPDATED]

I knew he was a narcissist, delusional, and incapable of lowering himself to running for a congressional seat, but since I stopped paying attention to him a long time ago, I didn't know he was a racist.

He is not a nice man.

by royce 2008-11-06 11:20AM | 0 recs
There Will Always Be A Nader

When I first began blogging, at repentantnadervoter.org, I parsed this thing so many ways it would astound most people. I have been thinking about it since 2004. In the end, it's just the way of the world that there has to be a Nader. How could there not be?

This may be seen as unfortunate, or destructive, or miserable, but in the end, it is how things must be. Yeah, I voted for Obama, but I won't complain about Nader. It would be like complaining about the weather. There are reasons things have to be as they are, and we can't make the world conform to some ideal of perfection. Nobody promised us that life would be easy. We must accept a world that challenges us. We can complain, but the world will always place challenges in our path. How could it be otherwise?

Life will not ever be simple and easy. So why complain about the weather?

by blues 2008-11-06 06:09PM | 0 recs
Yes, but...

...is it so much to ask for our "Nader" to be an actually ethical idealist politician who takes the legitimate, if extreme, left or right position?  Nader has made a mockery of what he says that he believes in.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-07 04:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader [UPDATED]

If I voted on the issues in this election I would have voted for Nader.  I really like your ignorance about Nader, you have no idea how much he has affected your personal life.  In fact why don't you compare Obama's record of achievement against Nader's!  He beats Obama no contest!  He has really taken on corporations and won.  I doubt however anyone with your huge intellect can appreciate Naders accomplishments even though they have made your life better and safer!

by orionwest 2008-11-07 12:27AM | 0 recs
(d) :~)

Ah, personal insults and exclamation marks.  Very quaint.

by chrisblask 2008-11-07 03:30AM | 0 recs
Obama's Record of Achievement:

A) Has been elected President of the United States.

I think I'm just going to stop there.

by Dracomicron 2008-11-07 04:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader [UPDATED]

Calling our new president-elect an "Uncle Tom" is as reprehensible as it is unforgivable.

Nader had a chance to walk it back, and he refused to do so.

Now he is dead to me.

by baghdadjoe 2008-11-07 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Goodbye, Ralph Nader [UPDATED]

Worst...diary...ever.

My god, how ungrateful you are!

by neaguy 2008-11-07 01:00PM | 0 recs
Thanks.

by chrisblask 2008-11-07 06:19PM | 0 recs

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