My Favorite Mormons: Steve and Barbara Young

"We believe ALL families matter and we do not believe in discrimination,
therefore, our family will vote against Prop 8."
-- Barbara Young

Loved the gravestones, Barb.

RIP inequality, Nov. 4

RIP
May discrimination
be a thing of the past,
May hate and fear
be gone at last
RIP prop 8!

Those who forget
the past
are condemned
to repeat it.
No to 8!!!

And omens don't get much clearer than Steve's #8 getting retired last month, do they?

Thank you for doing the right thing and standing up for all families.

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And this one's special because a few years from now my daughter is gonna look a lot like Lily:

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And Steve, thank you for the reminder that Family Comes First.

Always.

AP: Former 49er Steve Young voting No on Prop. 8

SF Chronicle: Steve Young lines up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

CBS5: Steve Young's Home Displays 'No On 8' Signs

RIP prop 8!

Chino Blanco

Tags: Barbara Young, CA-Prop 8, lds, Mormon, Proposition 8, Steve Young (all tags)

Comments

18 Comments

Re: My Favorite Mormons: Steve and Barbara Young

Not surprising. Steve Young has always been a classy dude.

by obama4presidente 2008-10-31 10:08PM | 0 recs
based on my experience

going door-to-door on a referendum to oppose Oak Park, IL's domestic partnership registry, here's what I expect.

There are a significant number of people (especially African-Americans) who tell pollsters they are opposed to gov't using its power to protect gays or extend equality to gays, but when in the voting booth they will vote against discrimination.

Prediction: No on 8 wins by a wider margin than the polling suggests.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-11-01 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: based on my experience

I can only hope and pray that holds true in this case.

At the moment, the folks trying to ban gay marriage in California are sending flyers to African American voters telling them that Obama supports the ban.

He doesn't. But the Yes on 8 camp are a bunch of lying, shameless, slimy, hateful operators, and they've shown they're willing to do anything to eke out a win for their bigoted proposition.

Anyway, thanks for the optimistic prediction!!

by Chino Blanco 2008-11-01 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: My Favorite Mormons: Steve and Barbara Young

This is fantastic news!

Not only is Steve Young a Hall of Fame NFL player, he is also direct descendent of Brigham Young.

by LakersFan 2008-11-01 11:44AM | 0 recs
If I had to pick a religion I might go Mormon.

I won't, but with a gun to my head?

After living in Utah several times I have come to truly appreciate the basic decency and honesty in struggling to be good parents that is common among Mormons.  Sure, the church has wild beliefs in it, but from my perspective that's pretty well a requirement of any religion...

by chrisblask 2008-11-01 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: If I had to pick a religion I might go Mormon.

You'd subject your kids to an overly domineering, completely male-dominated church, that is anti-choice, and anti-gay because you appreciate that they're trying to be good parents? Even with a gun to your head, I would suggest you keep looking. (You have daughters, don't you?)

by LakersFan 2008-11-01 12:02PM | 0 recs
Yep, daughters too.

The reality of most Mormons is to adopt the parts of the religion they like and ignore the rest, pretty well the same as other religions.  Mormonism does reflect the male-domination of all Abrahamic religions moreso than the average Christian sect, but that's really a matter of scale rather than type.  

My favorite Mormon family consists of a hyper-intelligent very liberal high-priest father, a similarly intelligent extreme liberal feminist mother, five daughters and three sons.  These folks have managed to gain the best (imho) of the Mormon theism without in any way suppressing their female family members (take my word, good luck trying... ;~).

Theisms are all fanciful work in my opinion, but the sociology they encompass can work for good or ill depending on the individual.  The common demonization of Mormonism over other brands of Christianity seems to me to be an over-reaction.  All of these Abrahamic religions embody the same roots of tradition and mythology, some of them are just more popularly understood in detail.

by chrisblask 2008-11-01 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, daughters too.

Utah Mormons, on the average, tend to be less adherent but that's not how it is in California and other states with large Mormon populations. Regardless, Mormons are more extreme on many issues than the average Christian.

In your "favorite" Mormon family, what does the extremely intelligent extreme liberal feminist mother do for a living? Could she ever attain the same position in the church as her husband? Are their daughters already aware that they cannot aspire to the same things as their brother? If one or more of those 8 children is gay, will they still be accepted in their family and community?

I know plenty of Mormons and I'm not demonizing or over-reacting, I'm pointing out very real things that affect children in Mormon families.

by LakersFan 2008-11-01 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, daughters too.

The mother is a writer and social activist, the position in the church is not an issue, one of their children is gay and more than welcome.  So "no, they are not suffering from any of the common downsides of their church".

Without intending any offense, I don't need lessons on the faults of the Mormon church any more than I do for Baptists or Lutherans or...  I have at best bemused affection for the good that churches do and at worst extreme unction at what else they do.  Among various Christian communities I would not be able to set one as worse than another in total, and in terms of family I would venture to say that the Mormon and Catholic cultures do a pretty good job of promoting family cohesion in a generally positive way.

What I find most interesting about Mormonism in America is the reaction of other Christians.  I characterize it as: "Silly Mormons!  They think God was talking to people 150 years ago!  We all know God was talking to people 2,000 years ago all the time, but then he stopped!".  :~)

by chrisblask 2008-11-01 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, daughters too.

That family is definitely the exception. Too bad their son is or will soon be excommunicated from their church.

I don't think god talked to anyone 150 or 2000 years ago, so that has nothing to do with my criticism of them.

But most importantly, the Mormons are the ones funding Prop 8, so they have brought any additional criticism of their so-called superior family values upon themselves.

by LakersFan 2008-11-01 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Yep, daughters too.

I agree with the other reply.  That family is an exception, not the rule.  All of the Mormons I know are great, loving people, but very, very conservative politically especially on social issues.

Anyone on a site like this contemplating a church should look first at the Society of Friends (Quakers).  Quakers believe that there is that of God in every person (called the Inner Light).  Since every person possesses God within them, killing a person is tantamount to killing God.  Quakers oppose all forms of intentional killing from the death penalty to all war as an article of faith.  Furthermore, Quakers believe that the Inner Light is the connection that every person has with God, and that no outside person can define any individual's relationship with God.  Therefore, all services are unmoderated, mostly silent meditation with occasionally any member of the congregation who is so moved rising to speak.

I personally thought that I would never find a organized church that would allow me to have the sort of spirituality that I thought appropriate until I attended a Quaker meeting.  When I first got that "God is inside you and your relationship with God is yours personally, so we're not going to even have ministers to interfere with that" message from the church, it was a revelation like "Oh my God, there is a church that understands".

by NJIndependent 2008-11-01 06:42PM | 0 recs
I like the Gospel of Judas

Says much of those things - you don't need a church, it's all inside you anyway - which is a good reason it was never included in the Bible.

You won't find me subscribing to a theology at any rate.  I've sent a Mormon bishop, Buddhists, Baptists and many others back to re-education camps for reprogramming.  I try to leave folks alone with their theologies until they infringe on my or someone else's basic freedoms.

by chrisblask 2008-11-01 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I like the Gospel of Judas

But infringing on other people's basic freedoms is exactly what the Mormons are doing right now. That's the problem.

by LakersFan 2008-11-01 09:32PM | 0 recs
Young is a republican, right?

by ProfessorReo 2008-11-01 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: My Favorite Mormons: Steve and Barbara Young

I was raised in a Mormon family.  The eldest of nine kids.  I can certainly see either my mom or my date making such a statement.  And all of the daughters, and most of the sons.  

I never had to rebel, politically: I was raised pretty much where I am now. . . .  -9 -8.75

by puddleriver 2008-11-01 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: My Favorite Mormons: Steve and Barbara Young

Barbara Young just released a statement saying that the signs in their home and the donation to the "No on 8" campaign only reflect HER views. Barbara continues and said that her husband who "doesn't get politically involved no matter what the cause" doesn't have an opinion on this issue.
This was just reported on KPIX 5 the CBS affiliate here in SF.

Steve... I rooted for you all these years.... come on bro!!!

by mrburns17 2008-11-01 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: My Favorite Mormons: Steve and Barbara Young

The bottom line here, Steve and his wife are making their decisions on what is politically benefitting for them.  They are the "fair weather" friends that we often refer to when people does not stand up for their value and conviction. His value is easily persuaded by the public. I'm wondering if he would have voted yes, if he was not a celebrity.  Probably yes.  They don't have to inform the media of the choice they made to vote for..No on 8. We really don't care.  We have son's that are very athletic, and I hope that Steve Young is not a role model for them.  Unlike Mr. Jeff Kent, of the Dodgers, a mormon as well, is not easily intimidated by the view of the public. We're not voting "yes" based on hatred and bigotry of the gay community. We have family members that are homosexuals.  We simply believe that marriage is between a man and woman, and that is the issue!

by oceania 2008-11-02 03:32PM | 0 recs
What a petty, mean little rant that was

by Chino Blanco 2008-11-02 08:41PM | 0 recs

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