Dobson Caves to Evangelicals Who Call Glenn Beck a Cultist

x-posted fromStop The Mormons

Admittedly, I got busy with the holidays and fell behind in my reading at some of my favorite websites.  I figured I could bookmark, spend a couple days getting reacquainted with the wife and kids, and then catch up later.  

Later was apparently too late:

No longer available?  Now that's disappointing.

What happened?

After the success of the Evangelical-Mormon lovefest otherwise known as Prop 8, I was really looking forward to reading what Glenn Beck might write over at James Dobson's place.  Would Glenn use the opportunity to ask Dr. Dobson about that time back in 2004 when Dobson's wife, Shirley, excluded Mormons from the National Day of Prayer?  And would Glenn suggest that maybe, in the afterglow of Prop 8, now was a good time for Dr. Dobson to offer an apology to Mormons for not letting them use the word "Christian" to describe themselves?  And would it be an apology as heartfelt as the one that Beck delivered to Dobson on-air in 2007?  And, considering how successful the Mormons were at helping the Evangelicals keep the word "marriage" all to themselves out in California, would Dr. Dobson perhaps finally be moved to graciously begin sharing the "C" word with the Mormons?  I mean, Beck and Dobson are both good "Christians" right?  

The potential was there for an absolutely riveting read.

So, what happened?

Well, it turns out that apparently Dr. Dobson has agreed that the "C" word does apply to Mormons.  The problem now is that it's that other"C" word.  See if you can spot it while I try to sort out the story behind this gripping tale of a dead link.

December 19: A story goes up on Focus on the Family's CitizenLink website promoting Mormon TV host Glenn Beck's latest book, "The Christmas Sweater."

Later that same day, a Christian blogger pens a brief diary under the title Focus on the Family Embraces Mormonism.

December 21: Another Christian blogger weighs in, this time in a post titled Focus on the Family Implicitly Affirms Mormonism that includes this advice:

I strongly discourage you from giving money to any religious organization that is so committed to a social agenda that they are willing to ignore the vast difference between biblical Christianity and the cult of Mormonism ... When Christians yoke up with unbelievers in order to promote a common social agenda, we display a gross lack of discernment, feed religious pluralism, and end up doing all kinds of wierd [sic] and sinful things in hopes of restoring the Andy Griffith moralism of the 1950s ...
December 22: A press release goes out over the ChristianNewsWire announcing that Focus on the Family Promotes Mormon Glenn Beck at CitizenLink and that:
Clearly, Mormonism is a cult. The CitizenLink story does not mention Beck's Mormon faith, however, the story makes it look as if Beck is a Christian who believes in the essential doctrines of the faith ... to promote a Mormon as a Christian is not helpful to the cause of Jesus Christ. For Christians to influence society, Christians should be promoting the central issues of the faith properly without opening the door to false religions.
Later that same day, John Schroeder, the Christian half of the Evangelical-Mormon blogging duo over at Article VI responds with Embarrassed By My Brethren ... and writes:
This move [promoting Glenn Beck] by the Dobson organization should be applauded loudly and long.  Nobody can swing more evangelical votes than James Dobson - NOBODY. ... Of course, if we are lucky, this blog will be the only outlet in the world to pay attention to this press release [slamming Dobson's promotion of Beck on the CitizenLink site].
December 24: No such luck.  And our unlucky Article VI blogger, noticing that the Glenn Beck article has been pulled off the CitizenLink website, posts this woeful update:  ARRGH!:
... the Dobson organization has caved ...

The absolute worst part is that in California we have just witnessed what is possible if Mormons and Evangelicals and Catholics unite politically - so how does the leading Evangelical public figure (although Dobson is rapidly being supplanted in that role by Pastor Warren) respond?  By caving to the slighest pressure from a few grossly over-zealous types.  Which does what?  It weakens an already very weak and formative bridge between.

Shame on the Dobson organization.


And now I'm wondering why they even need two bloggers over at Article VI?  John Schroeder's obviously got serious talent when it comes to generating a passionate debate with himself:

Nobody can swing more evangelical votes than James Dobson! Dobson is yesterday's news, all hail Rick Warren!  The Dobson organization should be applauded loudly and long! Shame on the Dobson organization!

And now that Dobson has scrubbed his site of Beck's Mormon taint, it'll be interesting to watch and see if Lowell Brown (the Mormon half of Article VI) has anything more to say on the subject.  What say you, Lowell?  For all your hard work on Prop 8, what gift were Mormons like yourself hoping to receive from Evangelicals who consider yours a false religion and your church a cult?  

Whatever it was, you need to wake up and go check your Christmas stocking:  Santa Dobson has done delivered your lump of coal.  


Update ...

Beck bites back:

The Christmas Sweater is a story about the idea of Christmas as a time for redemption and atonement. Whatever your beliefs about my religion, the concept of religious tolerance is too important to be sacrificed in response to pressure from special interest groups, especially when it means bowing to censorship. I'm humbled and grateful that hundreds of thousands of people from different faiths have read the book and have appreciated its uplifting message for themselves. At a time when the world is so full of fear, despair, and divisions, it is my hope that all of those who believe in a loving and peaceful God would stand together on the universal message of hope and forgiveness. -glenn

That's gonna leave a mark.

Chino Blanco

Tags: CA-Prop 8, Focus on the Family, Glenn Beck, james dobson, lds, Mormon (all tags)



Re: Dobson Caves

It's kind of strange to witness the current infighting in the religious right.  They're all wondering what the hell happened and scrambling for the top of the heap.

In a related note - I really can't stand Glenn Beck.  In addition to being a conservative a-hole, he doesn't really seem to have any particular talent.  Other conservatives say things that make you want to scream at the TV.  Glenn Beck isn't even able to do that.  He just makes you want to turn the channel.  He's completely insufferable.

That said.  My understanding is that Glenn Beck turned to Mormonism as a way of combating his drug and alcohol addictions.  Now, Mormons creep me out.  But mainline Mormons aren't necessarily any more cultish than any other religions.  And if they helped prevent Glenn Beck from destroying his life then more power to them.  I guess it's just too bad that Glenn Beck doesn't have a similar humility about his situation.

by the mollusk 2008-12-26 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Dobson Caves

Always weird how many fascists used to be alcohol or drug addicted.

Really, I think the world would be better off if they just destroyed themselves rather than everybody else.

by Bush Bites 2008-12-26 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Dobson Caves

For some of them (like Glenn Beck, I think), I think there's a sense that the Left has failed them and other addicts in some way by providing a more tolerant society which encouraged them to get hooked in the first place.  Plus they only got cleaned up once they "found God".  So they figure this is the formula everyone should follow.  And that if you shut down the tolerance fostered by the Left, all of society's ills will go away.  Or at least be hidden where upstanding people wouldn't encounter it.

For others, such as Rush Limbaugh, I think they just don't have a soul at all.  It's all about them and their own ego.  It wouldn't even occur to them that they could be wrong about something.

by the mollusk 2008-12-26 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Dobson Caves

Echoed for truth!

by BPK80 2008-12-29 02:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Dobson Caves to Evangelicals

I was raised in an evangelical church.  I think that Mormons are looked at with more disdain that gays and lesbians.

by psychodrew 2008-12-26 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Dobson Caves to Evangelicals

That doesn't seem to be the case out here in the west where there are plenty of Mormons. The evangelicals, Mormons, and Catholics have managed to set aside their differences to pursue their shared agenda of discrimination. They have formed quite an unholy alliance.

by LakersFan 2008-12-26 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Dobson Caves to Evangelicals

There is a big difference between working with people and accepting them.  It's possible that the greater prevalence of Mormons in the west has led to greater acceptance.  But still, I wouldn't assume that the non-Mormons have privately accepted them as equals.

by psychodrew 2008-12-26 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Dobson Caves to Evangelicals

Not as equals. But they certainly accept Mormons a lot more than they accept gay people.

by LakersFan 2008-12-26 10:31AM | 0 recs
The Loathing is STILL right below the surface....

In their lust for power, these old rotting white men have decided it's worth it to unite against a common enemy...Really, they are just providing a scary boogieman to cover the fact that there just part and parcel of the ruling class, a sick adjunct to the corporate criminals in the Republican hiearchy.

But, I must disagree A BIT with your phrasing.

Its the Mormon, Evangelicals and Catholic CHURCHES, the system, the power elite, in this alliance.

I do think, at least amongst some Catholics I know, that they are NOT part of this outright bigotry towards gay citizens.

by WashStateBlue 2008-12-26 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: The Loathing is STILL right below the surface

It's the churches and any of the serious followers. All Mormons in good standing tithe 10%, so they are contributing to the church's discrimination efforts. I don't know if Catholics (or evangelicals) have as strict of tithing rules, but if they are supporting their church financially, they are supporting organizations that engage in and support discrimination.

by LakersFan 2008-12-26 10:59AM | 0 recs
I worked at a radio station in Seattle

when I was going to Eng school at U-dub, the station, AM, FM and TV were owned by the Mormon church. (Old timers in Seattle will know which station I mean...)

I made good friends with some of the DJs who were mormon.

One of them told of a Senior VP, whom when he was informed they had hired a black person in the news room, (it was in the days of Afirmative Action,
and the place was lilly white before that) had told his supervisors "Well, keep that jungle-bunny (yup, that what's the DJ said he called him) off
the damn third floor" (those were the executive offices...)

The DJ was livid, reported him to HR and  when they told him to forget about it, within two weeks he had resigned the station.

OK, a small anecedote, but I have known at least ONE mormon with a sense of decency.

by WashStateBlue 2008-12-27 10:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Well

It's hard not to know Mormons out here. They tend to have large families, go to public schools, and have kids that are active in sports and other activities, so everyone tends to know who the Mormon families are. They're generally viewed as people with "nice families" who spend a lot of time at church -- i.e., different and very religious, but not necessarily "cultish".

by LakersFan 2008-12-29 08:45AM | 0 recs
In my mind, a cause for celebration

A taste of their own posioned medicine, any open warfare between Dobson and Beck is joy to my eye and ears....

I hope they keep these wounds red and bloody, which MAY cause more of their younger follows to recoil in horror...

At least, we can only hope.

by WashStateBlue 2008-12-26 10:53AM | 0 recs
Calling the LDS church a cult

... is just one more indication of how disconnected these Christianists are from reality. The epithet is obviously meant in a pejoritive sense, so the appropriate definition would be (

a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

All religious denominations consider all others to be false and unorthodox, so we can ignore that part of the definition. The Mormons are no more extremist than many protestant sects or Catholics, so scratch that. The mormons venerate their church president, but to a lesser degree than Catholics venerate the Pope, or Dobson's followers venerate him. So are they "living outside of conventional society"? Hardly.

In 1830, the Mormons were surely a cult. Today they have over 27,000 congregations and 13 million members worldwide. Nearly 2% of Americans are Mormon, making the LDS church the 10th-largest religious body in the U.S. There are eleven mormon representatives and five mormon senators (including the majority leader) in the 110th Congress. I don't have the HR figures for the 111th Congress, but +2 Udalls -1 Gordon Smith comes to 6 senators.

And in case you were wondering, no I am not mormon, nor am I employed by the LDS church, nor do I agree with the LDS church on just about any conroversial issue. I just think this cult business is silly, silly, silly.

by itsthemedia 2008-12-26 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Calling the LDS church a cult

I don't have the HR figures for the 111th Congress, but +2 Udalls -1 Gordon Smith comes to 6 senators.


Mark Udall was born and raised a Presbyterian, unlike his cousins.

by Obamaphile 2008-12-27 11:21AM | 0 recs
Thanks for correcting

Still 5 mormon senators then. But I hope you agree with my basic point that mormonism does not remotely resemble a cult, unless you use a definition that would also qualify a number of other mainstream religions as cults.

by itsthemedia 2008-12-29 11:19AM | 0 recs


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