Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Ireland....NOT

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province. "

Ouch that has to hurt.  Finally people calling the former "But I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express Last Night" First Exaggerator in Chief on her BS.

Tags: 2008, false, Hillary Clinton, Ireland, lie, Presidency (all tags)

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30 Comments

Re: Hillary: peace Northern Ireland....NOT

Thee is not only exaggeration perhaps lies on the positive side, but on the negative side, the evidence is damning to anyone like Hillary, given her Senate record, proporting to be a human rights advocate and peace maker.

Hate to pump my own diary now on the boards, but it is relevant....

3 AM: Monsters answer the phone UPDATED

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/8/8128/ 66948

by shergald 2008-03-08 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: peace Northern Ireland....NOT

hah, beat me to it! :) Nice grab!

by Chavez100 2008-03-08 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: peace Northern Ireland....NOT

You are also a misinformed, see below and get some education.

by democrat voter 2008-03-08 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel
Now, if Obama doens't start making snide remarks about her "exaggerations" I will be very disappointed in him. This is very much fair game and the press should start using the word exaggeration a lot and questioning her honesty. We all knew she had no real experience but it's important to have evidence and press coverage.
by Becky G 2008-03-08 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

We all knew.... You obviously know nothing that's for sure, see below, you are so uninformed, that's what we all know now, so make the best of your ignorance, read more, talk less.

by democrat voter 2008-03-08 08:54AM | 0 recs
So Hillary claims she's vetted?

by Moonwood 2008-03-08 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel
There's also this from the Chicago Tribune. Sounds like her biggest claim to foreign policy experience is a speech she made in 1995.

link

by Becky G 2008-03-08 05:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

As HRC would say, "words are cheap."

by 1jpb 2008-03-08 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

Pathetic you cite the Tribune, see below, you are not worth the time.

by democrat voter 2008-03-08 08:52AM | 0 recs
by Chavez100 2008-03-08 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Chicago Tribue Calling Hillary's BS....

Your referring to the Chicago Tribune as if it is credible on anything Clinton/Obama?  HaHaHa.  The tribune is in the tank for Obama, look at Roger Simon for one example, the only reporter that is even being truthful when it comes to Obama is the woman working on the Rezko matter who says rightly that Obama has not come clean on Rezko, but even there she is trying to be nice to Obama, he's their home town guy, so obviously they are for him, even when they know he is dirty with Rezko and other matters.  You don't get ahead in Chicago politic and come out clean, everyone knows that Chicago politics are a dirty business.  The slums in Obama's district were a gold mind for Rezko and Obama got what he wanted by his association with the man, now he thinks he can wipe the slate clean, but national politics may yet reveal some uncomfortable facts there, time will tell.  Even if it doesn't come out now, it will come out, better for Obama to get it out now and not wait till later though because if things get ugly later, he will have only himself to blame when the press turn on the inevitable fan.

by democrat voter 2008-03-08 08:50AM | 0 recs
Your diary is pathetically disingenuous

John Hume, leader of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party, shared the nobel prize with Trimble in 1998.  His statement, his words, are these:

I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as First Lady.

I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland. She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process.

There is no doubt that the people of Northern Ireland think very positively of Hillary Clinton's support for our peace process, due to her visits to Northern Ireland and her meetings with so many people. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.

OUCH--those trouble facts have to hurt!  Thanks for providing the whole context...NOT!

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jht ml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml&a mp;page=2

by DaTruth 2008-03-08 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: I Beg To Differ On That...

Since I've been there, know people who participated in the Northern Ireland peace process, and was a close observer of what went on back then, I can say unequivocally that Hillary Clinton's participation was important to the people of Northern Ireland. The Irish Catholics in the North of Ireland still revere Bill and Hillary Clinton, as do the people in the South.

Bill Clinton appointed George Mitchell as mediator for the talks between the British government and the Northern Ireland political parties, and he did a stellar job of it.

It was BECAUSE of former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton that the opportunity for a peaceful political process in Northern Ireland was able to move forward.

Hillary Clinton worked--as First Lady--to support the US involvement in the peace process. That peace process ended the war, which had gone on for 35 years.

If you don't thinkn that is an accomplishment to be proud of, then you're a rank hypocrite!

Fact:  

Hillary visited Northern Ireland more times than Bill. By my count, she went there six times between 1995 and 2000, while he went four times. She accompanied her husband as first lady on four of the six visits.

She made two visits by herself to the province, in May 1999, when she was the keynote speaker to a women's conference, and a 12-hour trip in October 1997, when she gave a lecture at the University of Ulster.

These visits provide a useful insight into Clinton's first lady experience, and how helpful it will be to her if she makes it all the way back to the White House as president.

Senator George Mitchell, the Clinton administration's leading Northern Ireland peace negotiator, said that Hillary was "not involved directly" in the diplomatic negotiations that led to the landmark April 1998 Good Friday agreement on power-sharing--but Mitchell credits Clinton with taking an intelligent interest in the issues and getting acquainted with many of the key players.

"She was very much involved in encouraging the emergence of women in the political process in northern Ireland, which was a significant factor in ultimately getting an agreement," Mitchell told me. Mitchell believes that Clinton's time in the White House enabled her to become "personally acquainted" with world leaders, which will help her if she becomes president.

Chris Thornton, a political reporter for the Belfast Telegraph, said that Hillary Clinton's visits to northern Ireland contributed to making an eventual settlement possible, but were hardly key to reaching an agreement. Thornton said that without Bill Clinton and George Mitchell a settlement would not have happened.

Being a First Lady does give one insight into how an administration works, not to mention building networks of alliances and contacts throughout the world. Are you such a fool that you think having contacts and alliances, and friendships built over long years of engagement on the world stage DON'T MATTER?

Get Real.

by Tennessean 2008-03-08 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I Beg To Differ On That...

I was in northern Ireland (Derry and Belfast, primarily), this summer and you are absolutely right.  I wasn't a Clinton supporter at the time (and wasn't going around talking about American politics in pubs), but Irish men and women mentioned their admiration and gratitude toward Bill and Hillary Clinton for their work in Northern Ireland on several occasions.  She's never claimed that she was directly involved in the diplomatic negotiations - everyone knows that that was George Mitchell - but she worked hard to encourage the sort of grassroots, boots on the ground support (among women) that the peace process needed in order to succeed.

by mgee 2008-03-08 06:24AM | 0 recs
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From the article:

Lord Trimble said: "The Women's Coalition will think they were important. Other people beg to differ."

For all his positive attributes Mr. Trimble appears to believe the grassroots work, and specifically grassroots work by women, toward peace in Northern Ireland was not important. I would beg to differ.

But hey, if you want to associate yourself with the idea that only the powerful white men are important go right ahead.

by souvarine 2008-03-08 06:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Honestly, The Ignorance is Appalling...

"Lord Trimble" as you call him, is one of the "Bigots in Bowlers" CONSERVATIVES who were keeping the Catholics in Northern Ireland from voting, from owning property, from having a voice in government. David Trimble himself delayed the peace process for four years!

And, yet you are so incredibly ignorant about this issue, that you are QUOTING HIM as some sort of credible source.

Jesus.

by Tennessean 2008-03-08 06:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Mea Culpa

I'm sorry souverine. My anger got the best of me on that one. This issue is near and dear to my heart. I lost my temper and hit post too quickly without previewing and pausing first.  

Slán

by Tennessean 2008-03-08 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Mea Culpa

np, I was attempting to gently point out the dubious source the diarist relies on. Your anger is justified, and I hope the diarist was just too ignorant to understand how offensive his post is.

by souvarine 2008-03-08 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Mea Culpa

Thanks, me too! :)

by Tennessean 2008-03-08 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Mea Culpa

Yes this post is definitely ignorant, and to suggest that Dick Morris would be credible either, is a stretch, Morris is a known hater and his comments were not only wrong, but I say how the hell would he know anyway?

by democrat voter 2008-03-08 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

   Statement from John Hume former MP MEP, founder of the SDLP and an architect of the Good Friday Agreement. He is the only person to win the Nobel Prize for Peace, the Ghandi Peace Award and the Martin Luther King Peace Prize.

   "I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as First Lady. I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland.

   She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process. There is no doubt that the people of Northern Ireland think very positively of Hillary Clinton's support for our peace process, due to her visits to Northern Ireland and her meetings with so many people. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.

   Anyone criticizing her foreign policy involvement should look at her very active and positive approach to Northern Ireland and speak with the people of Northern Ireland who have the highest regard for her and are very grateful for her very active support for our peace process."

   Inez McCormack, first female president of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions:

   "Hillary Clinton took risks for peace in asking me and others to bring women and communities from both traditions to affirm their capacity to work for common purpose and to assert, when there was no public dialogue which supported it, that working for common purpose on the basis of mutual respect was the core of effective peace building. She used her immense influence to give women like me space to develop this work and validated it every step of the way. This approach is now taken for granted bit it wasn't then. She told us that if we take risks for peace, she would stay with us on that journey. In my experience, it took hard work, attention to detail and a commitment of time and energy which she delivered steadily and where it was needed over the last decade."

   Baroness May Blood of the House of Lords, who worked for many years as a community leader in Shankill area of West Belfast

   "The First Lady sent the message that the work and influence that grassroots women were undertaking within their communities was just as important as anything else that was taking place. I witnessed her building new confidence in women at the grassroots level and their statue grew within Northern Ireland as a consequence. All of a sudden they were being taken more seriously. The message we were also told by Hillary Clinton was that this work needed a political focus."

   Geraldine McAteer, Chief Executive of West Belfast Partnership Board

   "As First Lady, Hillary Clinton was extremely supportive of the peace process in Northern Ireland, and in particular, of the women who live here. In her visits during the peace process negotiations she met with women from a range of backgrounds and she recognized there was a real need to strengthen and support the voices of women in the post conflict context and get the needs of women and communities to the forefront of the new political agenda. She recognized that this would be best done through building the skillls of women here. Through her Vital Voices Conference in September 1998, I and others were able to develop our skills for the betterment of our communities."

News reports:

   2007: Hillary honored for her work on the Northern Ireland Peace process. Irish American Magazine named Hillary "Person of the Year", celebrating "her work on the Northern Ireland peace process". [Irish American Magazine, April/May 07]

   2007: Hillary met with Irish leaders who wanted to 'pay their respects to Hillary' for her work on behalf of peace in Northern Ireland. Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley recently traveled to Washington on behalf of the fledging Northern Ireland government, and they specifically requested two personal meetings: one with President George W. Bush and one with Senator Hillary Clinton. They wanted to "pay their respects to Hillary" for her long and varied role in promoting and working for peace in Northern Ireland. [Guardian, December 8, 2007]. As McGuinness put it, "these are wonderfully exciting times for all of us back home, not least because of the contributions made by President Clinton and Mrs. Clinton." [AP, December 7, 2007].

   1999: Northern Ireland Secretary: `Hillary is one of the essential reasons' Ireland had peace. An August 1999 issue of Talk Magazine quotes Northern Ireland Secretary Mo Mowlam: "Hillary is one of the essential reasons we've had 18 months of relative peace. Without her we would have no economic boom."

   1999: Hillary made frequent trips to Northern Ireland where she was 'not just in the humdrum affairs of state...but in the nitty gritty of the political scene' "A few years back the notion of an American First Lady speaking out on any aspect of life in Northern Ireland would have been taboo. Now it is accepted that not just this First Lady but also her husband make frequent trips to the North, and that they become involved not just in the humdrum affairs of state such as opening a new training center or mouthing niceties at a conference, but in the nitty gritty of the political scene too." [Irish Voice, May 25, 1999]

by vic0826 2008-03-08 06:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

Thanks for this. Please turn it into a diary.

by superetendar 2008-03-08 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

Clinton     1462      13,575,548
Obama       1570      13,570,501

FYI as of today HILLARY is ahead in POPULAR vote and by the time it's over (with Puerto Rico NOW having a primary) her lead will be substantial and his delegate lead will be small!

http://abcnews.go.com/politics

spread the word!
Hillary08
Obama12

by CarolinaDawn 2008-03-08 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

This is the second time I've seen these numbers.  ABC is including the popular vote in both Michigan and Florida.  Unfortunately, in Michigan Hillary ran unopposed, and both Michigan and Florida had their delegates stripped.  So those numbers should have an asterisk, because without those two states, Obama has the popular vote lead.

by shalca 2008-03-08 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy

Bill Clinton's Role in Peace Process:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_irel and/1065913.stm

Hillary Clinton's Role in Peace Process:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/34293 1.stm

Hillary's Irish Legacy
Prominent backers cite relevant role in peace process

By Ray O'Hanlon

http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story .cfm?id=18626

"In a series of statements compiled by labor and fair employment advocate Inez McCormack, Clinton was lauded for her "decade-long support" of the peace process.

"We believe it is important for others to know the pivotal role Mrs. Clinton played in helping us in Northern Ireland at critical junctures in the peace process. She supported us over many years and we will always be grateful to her," said McCormack

"Hillary Clinton took risks for peace in asking me and others to bring women and communities from both traditions to affirm their capacity to work for common purpose," McCormack said.

"She used her immense influence to give women like me space to develop this work and validated it every step of the way. This approach is now taken for granted but it wasn't then. She told us that if we take risks for peace, she would stay with us on that journey. In my experience, it took hard work, attention to detail and a commitment of time and energy which she delivered steadily and where needed over the last decade," McCormack added.

Similar testimonies have been forthcoming from other women, Protestant and Catholic. They include prominent community worker Elaine Crozier, Baroness May Blood, a member of the British House of Lords, Geraldine McAteer, chief executive of the West Belfast Partnership Board, Avila Kilmurray, head of the Community Foundation for Northern Ireland, Patricia Lewsley, former member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and currently Commissioner for Children and Young People, and Joanna McVey, former CEO of the Fermanagh-published Impartial Reporter newspaper and chair of the Fermanagh Trust.

"She turned empathy into action. Her iconic address to the first Vital Voices conference in Belfast in 1998 was truly inspirational and her ongoing support for women's role in peace building and the transformation of economic and political life in the North was manifested through other initiatives and her own personal involvement," stated McVey in her statement.

That 1998 visit to the North was just one of seven undertaken by Clinton between 1995 and 2004, both with president Clinton and on her own. In addition, Clinton has hosted numerous visitors from both communities in the North on American soil.

A precise accounting of Clinton's visits to Ireland and her work for Irish peace forms the basis for a book being published later this year by Stella O'Leary, Washington. D.C.-based president of the Irish American Democrats lobby group.

O'Leary has been one of Hillary Clinton's most fervent backers over the years and in a statement to the Echo took particular exception to a critical column penned by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann that took issue with recent campaign statements made by Clinton about her peace process initiatives.

The column, headlined "Hillary Had No Role in Irish Peace," characterized the statement as being tantamount to Walter Mitty-like dreams.

Anything but, countered O'Leary

"It will come as a huge surprise to the Irish, North and South, to hear Dick Morris and Eileen McGann's claim that Senator Hillary Clinton played no role in the Irish peace process," said O'Leary.

"Starting with the Christmas visit to Belfast in 1995, Hillary Clinton recognized that the participation of women was critical in bringing about an end to the conflict, and she set about inspiring women to become politically involved," O'Leary said.

"The meeting with Mrs. (Joyce) McCartan was a prelude to Senator Clinton opening a larger dialogue with women leaders on both sides of the border. At her prompting, the White House arranged for a delegation of American women leaders to meet in Belfast with their Irish counterparts and the outcome of that meeting was the Vital Voices Conference in 1998.

"As a result of that conference, Northern Ireland women became much more involved in running for elective office and when the time came, the Women's Party were full participants with George Mitchell in the peace negotiations.

"Morris and McGann do not carry a single quote from any leader in Ireland on Senator Clinton's contribution to the solution of the Irish conflict. Nor do they carry a quote from Senator Mitchell. I challenge them to find one political leader, of any significance in Ireland, who does not agree that Senator Clinton's involvement with the women of Northern Ireland, and her advocacy for children damaged by the conflict, played a crucial role in bringing about the Good Friday Agreement," O'Leary said.

"Morris and McGann mention a few of the people Senator Clinton met on her visits to Ireland and scoff at the importance of those meetings."

O'Leary said that in her forthcoming book she would be including tributes to Clinton for her role in the peace process from individuals including Bertie Ahern, Cherie Blair, Gerry Adams, Bono and John Hume.

"Based on the tributes I received, the people of Ireland are profoundly grateful to Senator Clinton for taking an interest and giving her time to inspire us to pull together and build a better life for the people of Northern Ireland.

"If Morris and McGann are truly interested in knowing whether Senator Clintons involvement made a difference in Ireland, then I suggest that they consult some Irish people. The response will be an outpouring of gratitude, admiration, respect and love and, most of all, a heartfelt wish that Senator Clinton become the next President of the United States," O'Leary concluded.

[...]

Said one journalist who covered the Clinton trips to Ireland and who preferred not to be identified for this report: "She did have meaningful meetings and did keep people's feet to the fire. She took pains to go to both sides and to meet both sides and bring a sort of woman's touch to it."

This story appeared in the issue of March 5-11, 2008

Northern Ireland:

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/index.html

by Tennessean 2008-03-08 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

nice post, Tennessean

by vic0826 2008-03-08 07:17AM | 0 recs
Irish American Democrats - disagree with you

http://www.irishamericandemocrats.org/

She has been among the politicians putting Ireland front and center on the American political agenda.  This goes back a long time.

by Molee 2008-03-08 07:46AM | 0 recs
others who disagree (from IAD)

Prominent Irish Americans who have Endorsed Senator Clinton for President

Ambassador Elizabeth Frawley Bagley
Michael Carroll
O'Dwyer & Bernstien
General Wesley Clark
Congressman Joseph Crowley (NY)
John Fitzpatrick, Fitzpatricks Hotels
Congressman Brian Higgins (NY)
Congressman Maurice Hinchey (NY)
Jim Lyons, Former Presidential Special Advisor, Northern Ireland
Brendan Martin, President, Young Irish American Democrats
Congressman Carolyn McCarthy (NY)
Cody McCone, O'Dwyer & Bernstien
Patrick McDermott, CEO Dublin City University Educational Trust
Ambassador Gerald McGowan and Susan Brophy
Congressman James McGovern (MA)
Former Congressman C. Thomas McMillen
Congressman Michael McNulty (NY)
Former Congressman Bruce Morrison, Consultant, Irish Lobby for
Immigration Reform
Congressman Richard Neal (MA), Chairman Congressional Friends of Ireland
John O'Connor, Bethesda MD
Niall O'Dowd, Publisher, Irish Voice and Irish America Magazine
Brian and Marianne O'Dwyer, O'Dwyer & Bernstien
Mrs. Paul O'Dwyer
Peter O'Keefe, Carret Asset Management
Governor Martin O'Malley, Maryland
Stella O'Leary, President, Irish American Democrats
Sean O'Shea, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP
Christine Quinn, NYC Council Speaker
Paul & Denise Quinn, Washington DC
Thomas Quinn Former Alternate U.S
Observer International Fund for Ireland
Honorable Richard Riley, Former Governor South Carolina
Cynde Sears-McGeehin, Sears Consulting LLC
Ciaran Staunton, Vice Chairman Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform
Honorable Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Former Lieutenant Governor Maryland
Michael Whelan, The Whelan Group

by Molee 2008-03-08 07:52AM | 0 recs
Who asks the Brits about what the Irish

think anyway?  They are the bad guys in they eyes of the Irish in Europe's longest running war - Norhthern Ireland.

by Molee 2008-03-08 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary: I helped bring peace to Northern Irel

The orginal post is a sham and a shame, which is typical of the bots.  Anything to trash Clinton, they make ridiculous statements, use people of questionable character and motive, such as Morris, and then expect to be lauded for their great insight.  Geez!!

However the excellent rebuttals have gone a long way in clearing the record.  I am sick to death of the bots continual disrespect and disgusted by their tactics.  If they think by trying to diminish Clinton it makes any improvement on Obama's qualifications, they have grossly miscalculated.  In fact, daily, it makes it more and more likely that Obama will lose support not gain any.  You cannot shore up Obama's thin resume by trashing Clinton, it just won't work  and invites more insults for Obama in the process.  Why not try to find a way to promote your candidate instead of trying to prove how stupid you are by this tripe?

As for the voting numbers and totals, no one can claim that the vote totals don't count even if you discount the delegates, those voters did still vote and you cannot take those votes away from Clinton just because it makes Obama look better, he has plenty going for him in the how it looks department what he lacks is substance.

by democrat voter 2008-03-08 08:29AM | 0 recs

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