What Glen Greenwald said...

 

The number of Obama followers writing to me on Twitter and elsewhere telling me that left-wing critics of the President are the primary cause of the election's outcome -- rather than massive economic suffering and the actions of their Leader -- is even more than I expected.  Bizarrely, they actually seem to have convinced themselves of this; I suppose one who is desperate to cling to their leader-love will find any theory that shields him from responsibility.  Behold the supreme power of the Professional Left!!

 

Motley Moose. The Blog for the Bully Boys Who Love to Hate MyDD


This diary is about what's bad and way weird about coming back to blog on the innertubes.

I mean huh?

Whats with those who come to this site only to insult the diarists and of course, Jerome.  By a quick google search with the name of the worst abuser of this site (and my personal stalker) I found the net home of these Super Duper Uber Trolls.

Its called the Motley Moose.

Its a weblog comprised of a small group of Obama royalists who formed their own site because they hated when myDD became a refuge for Hillary supporters in 2008.

But still they came to myDD and worked to drive away any Obama dissent or dissenters from this site in 2008.  (They called it Puma hunting)

They still come back to monitor myDD and whenever anything is said at this site that is not inside their defined boundaries of what is allowed to be discussed - they salt the earth of the place that they worked to destroy.

Their attitude and the way they have acted towards MyDD reminds me of the famous quote from an Army officer accused of atrocities in Vietnam, "we had to destroy the village in order to save it."

These are your thought policemen. They define the limits of what you are allowed to say about Obama.  You are not allowed to share an opinion that - they define - as damaging to their Obama.  They want you to sign their loyalty oath - or they will taunt, insult and pester you to death.

For all their talk of party loyalty - they sure have big bags of hate hanging from their eyelids for fully half of the Democratic Party..

---

Is this a Moose? Is that their fraternal club cap?... 

His name is Explosive Impact - His strange hobby is being a Cyber Bully

 

 

Get ready for a real heavy dose of heavy snide condensation and cyber buly boy boasting from right there in the center of pseudo intellectual obama apologist fanboy land.

Ive brought to you a diary and all its comments from the Royal world of the ultimate source of myDD uber trolls - the Motley Moose.

Its some heavy stuff - these net nerd blog bullies are all jacked up on their obvious superiority (hey - they discuss Homer!) and like a nest of 12 year old pre-teen young ladies - these aged juveniles sure do love to encourage each other to go all catty and "mean girl" on someone that thinks differently when it comes to their homecoming King (swoon...) and master.  Heavens forbid if you don't feel the "One" is "all that".

This Moose place is the land where his majesty Obama is King and if you dont bow to their "precious" low enough for them - oh my!  Off with your...

My fave-o-rite part of their site - besides its royalist Purple design color scheme  - is that it actually has up in the corner of the blog , like its logo, or secret club talisman - the Seal of the White House.  Yup, the Seal of the White House.

Oh my fanboys...you are pretty Star Struck and Silly indeed.

Now let me present a recent diary and thread from this Motley Moose -

its all about how much they just hate myDD and tales of their adventures when they come here to bash down the infidels with their brand of juvenile mean girl, attention seeking - look at me - taunting, stalking, insulting trouble.

If you wonder why so many people have left myDD, been run away - wonder no more - its these net nerd bully boys here below.  

You'll recognize quite a few names as those that come here passive-aggressively lamenting the good ol days of mydd and then jump quickly to how this place now is such a vile disgrace and how they simply just despise ol' Jerome.

Thump-Thump-Thump!

Hypocrites...

These boys just can't suffer anybody that has any opinion that differs from their lil groups think.

Like the once abused nerd geeks boys they once surely all were - they just LOVE the intertubes because behind their screens - they get to now be bullies too.  Fun!

(guess it makes them feel, strong, important..virile..uh huh...something, who knows, who cares?) 

****

ok - here a youtube commenter on the way "mean girls" "play" the internet.

This actual teen gal may not know the Illiad from the Odyssey - but she's got simple wisdom and a decency these mydd cyber stalkers will never share.

 internet bullies, you're not cool. (;

There was a lot more of their "I so hate those ignorant Puma Teabaggers at myDD" stuff , but I couldnt get it to copy and paste easily and really couldnt be bothered to try...

Look for the familiar names of this sites abusers - the diary is written by troll #1

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And now for something completely indifferent...

By: StrummersonSun Oct 31, 2010 at 17:14:01 PM EDT

In the midst of all this impending Tea Party Triumphalism, I popped over to the old D for some nostalgia and comic relief.  If you think that Jack Landsman jumped that place over a few hundred sharks as a frontpager, he's got nothing on changeagain2012.

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mydd (2.00 / 4) is pure garbage.  when 'richard flatts' is the clear-eyed, level headed thinker of the lot, you've got problems.  the site is dead.

what. the. fuck.

 

Not the only time

There definitely is a sect out there that are are forcefully pushing hate politics. I was reminded by this of the election day harassment to voters at the voting area. Maybe you remember the two men of the New Black Panther organization outside of a voting area in Philadelphia with night sticks, or billy clubs. This type of thuggery, unfortunately, are also a demographic voting base for president Obama.  And it seems that Jerome was extending a violent arm to the online internet world as well.

by jeffrtho 2010-10-29 05:10PM | login to reply | 0 recs

what. the. fuck.

by: fogiv @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 17:40:14 PM CDT

 

mydd (2.00 / 4)

is pure garbage.

If only it was dead.... (2.00 / 4)

...It's the living undead. Pumas, Trots, Wolverines and the odd indicted Vampire still stalk that land.  

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 18:12:27 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Thanks Strummerson (2.00 / 4)

 

by: Shaun Appleby @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 20:28:01 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I could talk about this for hours... though might need a kip beforehand.  

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 21:09:33 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

So this SHOULD finally get me banned. (2.00 / 3)

Hey changeagain2012 

Congrats on your front page status!

This'll show the o-bot fanboy royalist enforcer thugs.  From the ashes of their storm-trooping, vicious, savage, thought policing, soul crushing, party killing pumacidal holocaust, the voice of a true progressive rises.

 

The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice.

 

NEVER AGAIN!!!

 

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RE: Hey changeagain2012 

your type are  smug, snide, silly and less than useless.

 

a perfect example of a online oboma royalist.

 

hope you enjoy election night - your type sure did EARN it.

 

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RE: Hey changeagain2012 

OK.  You don't like snide, I'll give it to you straight.

 

First, I don't have a "type."  I don't leap to pre-judging others by forcing them into "types" either.  Your posture as the object of political repression shows a total lack of historical perspective and ethics.  Read a book, you stupid fuck.  Real blood has been spilled, voices have actually been silenced, entire peoples and perspectives have been materially marginalized with actual weapons and at the cost of actual lives.  Some of them in my own family.  This poseurism is offensive to anyone who is actually engaged in the history of progressive politics, or history in general.  It's the same self-aggrandizing bullshit victimology exhibited by the tea thugs.  Just the mirror image.  Anyone been interred in a re-education camp, sent to the gulag, disappeared in the past two years?  Don't even try to equate anything that has happened with political repression.  It's disgusting.  Beneath contempt.

 

It's your "silly" mentality that paints everyone who disagrees with your self-serving tone and absolutist perspective.  You reveal yourself as a hypocrite by using your supposed victimhood to attack others.  You don't like vicious savage name-calling?  Don't call others names.  You don't want to be branded with a broad brush, don't paint everyone else with a broad brush.  I agree with many of the critiques of Obama, but you wouldn't know that, because you are too busy pigeon-holing people so that your limited worldview can make sense of them.  For the record, I have no real beef with Jerome.  I don't always agree with him.  If he wants to ban me, then fine.  But it won't be because I showed him any disrespect.  And while you are busy defending him, remember that he's no victim.  He runs the place.  He can ban whomever he likes at any time.  He banned plenty whom you would label "o-bots" during the primary and afterwards.  I know it doesn't fit your idiotic narrative, but that's how it works.

 

I'll remember your description of me as "less than useless" when I am putting aside my students and my family to work GOTV this Tues. to try to "earn" something positive while you will no doubt be crafting another self-righteous diatribe and reveling in your glorious grievances.

 

So let loose another bile-soaked diatribe that accomplishes nothing.

 

Just remember that YOU are why moderates and independents mock liberals and progressives.  You are a fucking cartoon.  I've just been letting off some steam with you and providing you with more rope.  Now I have a life to get back to.

 

That's what I really think.

 

by Strummerson less than 5 seconds ago | reply | 0 recs

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 18:36:33 PM CDT

Zinger! (2.00 / 3)

You've tempted me back to the snake pit. Just putting on my hazmat suit and off I go...

MYDD these days makes Alegre's corner look sober, rational and balanced.  

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 18:53:05 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

OH NOOOOO! (2.00 / 3)

Don't get sucked in mate.

Not worth it.

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:22:46 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

TOOO LAAAATE! (2.00 / 3)

Argh. I've been sucked into a dark vortex of fail. I'm over the event horizon of moronality...

All my intelligence has been squished into that MYDD singularity of stoopid.  

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:42:05 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

d00dz (2.00 / 4)

MyDD is only one rung above ---> this place <--- of 'teh crazy' ladder (just waiting for the new platform rollout).

 

by: fogiv @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:58:40 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

That's practically Miltonic!!! (2.00 / 4)

Maybe I'll teach it next semester.

It certainly displays more imagination than anything changeagain types.

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 20:09:32 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Please tell me that was (2.00 / 5)

written by a poorly programed AI and not the creation of a living brain.

 

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis 

by: John Allen @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 20:23:05 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Well... (2.00 / 5)

It's certainly an improvement on "the Earth is flat" by one dimension.

by: Shaun Appleby @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 20:25:51 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

 

Bloody formatting (2.00 / 3) Of course the dodgy software posted it twice, but why are the new trolls on MYDD so illiterate and uninventive these days. I blame the US education system.

Here's the unscrewed up comment:

 

Hi

My names Brit. And I'm an Obama Royalty Enforcer thug,

Let me come clean. This has been weighing on my conscience for too long now. I need to atone, make reparations, confess.

Like most other Koolaid drinkers I'm a British MI6 double agents (or is my Brit handle a triple bluff? Who knows?). During the Primaries we got on our jack boots and stormed all over this place, mainly because we're trying to undo the American Declaration of Independence. Forget your President being a Nazi Muslim Communist. That's the least of your worries. Obama is a secret Brit, born in a former British colonies, and we're going to take our country back, and funnel out all the wealth you've created with your high valued housing stock and banking industry...

Oh. OK.That didn't work. So we deliberately spoilt oil everywhere. Oh yeah. And dominated your TV shows with secret Fifth Columnist Brits speaking in convincing American accents.

The annoying thing is that we had nearly achieved this spectacular reconquista of our old colonies, when you come along and blow the gaff. Thanks to cogent, brave and articulate Lexington militia like you, we've been foiled in our devious plan, and MYDD has been rescued..

As to your points, you're completely correct.

1. All through the primaries this site was filled with Obamabot diaries on the rec list.

2. Fearless freedom fighters like Texas Darlin, Universal and Alegre were consistently denigrated, silenced, censored, imprisoned and tortured by Koolaid drinkers who did like 'argue back', and said Obama could win the election, that he wasn't a Muslim, or lying about his academic career.

Our devious Stalinist Gestapo then pulled the ultimate trick of 'changing reality' and making Obama win the election just to make all those people look stupid.

That's really evil

3. All through this time, Jerome was a model of reasonableness and reconciliation, standing above the fray, almost a God Like figure of sagacity and kindness, who never arbitrarily banned people, or made content free comments against those who disagreed with him, or added abusive tags, or otherwise showed anything other than cool political analysis and judgement.

4. All politics is about being For or Against Obama. Nothing else matters. Political logic, reason, debate be damned. This site would thrive if it just became more Anti Obama.  It would be more progressive. It would be live an unpredictable. Illiterate and uniformed trolls would never post here again. And Jerome would be a millionaire. With so few Anti Obama sites out there (thanks to us Royalist thugs) MYDD would get all the traffic.

5. Do you have a girlfriend or boyfriend? Because I think I love you



Moose Juice; debate without hate 
by: Brit @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:20:15 PM CDTParent ]Moose Juice;Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:20:15 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

You Limeys... (2.00 / 4)

Are scrappy fighters, no doubt about that.

by: Shaun Appleby @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:23:23 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Actually... (2.00 / 4)

...I'm pretty damn sure I love YOU Brit.  Snarklessly...

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:26:16 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

It's mutual, mate (2.00 / 3)

Big manly gruff hug from this side of the pond

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Sun Oct 31, 2010 at 19:38:50 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

It's been a long time since I've seen one of these from you. (2.00 / 3)

Yup. You've still got the "flamey" touch. I am glad I have never been on the other side of one of these.

How can you ever come back from that ?

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 11:04:56 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

You think I pwned him (2.00 / 2)

Check out Strummerson's consummate destruction in my diary. I thinks this tops my response by quite a long way. The last two lines (I'll bold them) are stirring, classic, and should go down as the ulimate rejoinder to internet threats of violence

All hail the glorious sainted martyrdom of changeagain2012!

Let's see:

 

You oppose hijacking other peoples' diaries.  

 

BUT here you are.  What does this have to do with the diarist?

 

You oppose insults and personal attacks.

 

BUT you come into this diary to do nothing but attack and threaten me.

 

You want nothing to do with me.

 

BUT you carry over our dispute from another thread into this one.

 

Funny.  If it looks like a hypocrite.  If it types like a hypocrite.  You know the rest.

 

As for blaming me (and my "type," you ridiculous bigot) for destroying MYDD.  This is absurd.  Just part of your twisted persecution complex.  It's a bit circular, you see.  Just because you can't justify this tripe means that you are being bullied.  The fact that someone is willing to stand up to this tripe that you cannot justify means that you are being bullied.  Because you are being bullied, you think your tripe is justified.

 

Wake up.  It's your "type" of PUMA delusion diaries that destroyed the traffic on this site.  

 

And your boast of being involved in politics at the WH level loses credibility with every post you type.  It's just really hard to believe that the Clintons would have kept this level of thinking around.

 

But what do I know.  I'm no professional political operative like yourself.  Just a committed activist who thinks that you are trying to aid and abet the enthusiasm gap on the eve of a critical election.  It's not what we need right now.  But of course, your website grievances MUST take precedence.  Shame on you.

 

For the record, if you did take a swing at me...

 

...I wouldn't blink before turning my back and walking away.  Who's the thug?

 

 

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 15:13:06 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Really seems to be a new iteration (2.00 / 4)

of aliveandkicking.

 

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis 

by: John Allen @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 15:24:53 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

yep, exactly (2.00 / 2)

...and mumbaiburns, and ______, and _____, and _____ (ad naseum)

 

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt 

by: fogiv @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 19:55:58 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

This poster summed it up best. (2.00 / 5)

hahaha

Just when I thought there couldn't be a worse front-pager than Jack Landsman, you go and prove me wrong.

 

by Vox Populi 2010-10-31 08:44PM | login to reply | 1 recs

 

If I recall correctly Charles banned the previous aliveandkickin sockpuppet.

 

Now he's frontpaging and Charles Lemos is gone. Way to run a blog Jerome.

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 20:39:00 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

This got a chuckle out of me. (2.00 / 3)

"Way to run a blog Jerome."

 

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis 

by: John Allen @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 20:46:41 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

not only that... (2.00 / 3)

but the new sock is a front pager?  kooky.  or JA is trolling his own site again, and less concerned how obvious it is.  still kooky.

 

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt 

by: fogiv @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 21:59:31 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

wow (2.00 / 3)

I can't believe it's Jerome.  Painting himself as a martyr?  Now THAT would really be sick.

I was really hoping for a ban.  I don't know if I have the willpower to stay away from the righteous schadenfreudefest that it's gonna be for the next week over there...

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:05:03 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

schadenfreudefest? (2.00 / 2)

Perfect German compound noun...

I'm stealing that one.

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:56:04 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

You can't steal (2.00 / 2)

what is freely offered.

And Jerome is already distributing part hats.  I'll save you the peptic disturbance of checking the front page as this is the best bit:

 

"MyDD: Still on beta... will crash and burn early. Save it for another day.

 

Fallout: Of course this mid-term result is more a rejection of the Democrats, and specifically Obama politics, than it is an embrace of the Republicans. The Obama loyalists will say they are reality-based and that Obama wasn't on the ballot. White liberal intellectuals imply that any potential Democratic '12 challenger is being racially divisive."

 

And changeagain is cuddling up to you.  He wants to get together over "brown liquid and smokes" to talk about his buddy Hitchens.  All you Brits apparently know one another in his universe.  Just like I know Philip Roth and Anthony Weiner (picked two that I'd like to, but it could be Foxman and Frum as well).

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:45:23 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Surely.... (2.00 / 2)

...Jerome is a vivid example why the progressive left is so weak in American politics. It's all ego and attitudinising. He can't even organise a decent set of frontpagers, let alone a political campaign. Unfortunately I see traits of that in Kos (aswell of Huffington and Hamsher of course). Radical individualism, often collapsing into pure narcissism, is the opposite of organisation and solidarity. I know the latter can decline into Orwellian collectivism... but don't these people understand the basic principles of political power. You have to work with people you don't like.

End of mini rant.

 

As T.S. Eliot said "a bad writer borrows, a good writer steals" so I'm still going to commit some petty larceny on your neologism

 

I noticed the sickening buddy up from deranged idiot on MYDD. I'm not quite sure how to respond. Maybe love bomb him into total meltdown. However, since the guy has no shame, I can't really embarrass any further than he has already embarrassed himself.

 

Think I'll just keep away for a while. We're both wasting our talents on someone too ridiculous and needy for words.

 

Mind you, I enjoyed the put downs. Good practice for a more important opponent in the future.

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:56:30 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Think tactically. (2.00 / 3)

Be good cop.  Just a gesture.  Maybe in 6 months the place will regain a bit of relevance and you'll be able to use his cozying up to create a sliver of sane space in which to actually make an argument.

Frankly, I'm a bit torn.  Even when I disagree with folks here, it's usually so agreeable and pleasant that it doesn't seem consequential.  Probably just a perceptual thing.  I already have a group of very longstanding friends back east I do this with over email.  Sparring and supporting.

 

But DKos is so enormous and MYDD is so sad.  Dunno.

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:05:17 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

He's Just Trying... (2.00 / 1)

To slyly get Brit to out himself so he can attack him personally.  Seen it before.  Brit, don't lower your guard.

by: Shaun Appleby @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 17:18:21 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I'm pretty sure (2.00 / 2)

that this incarnation of whomever lacks such sophistication.

He's sincerely delusional.  He's looking for validation that he's not who he senses he is.

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 17:24:24 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Yeah... (2.00 / 2)

That too.  But my guess is this little troll is tricksy and has some resources, from past performance.

by: Shaun Appleby @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 17:48:49 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Frankly though (2.00 / 2)

I've been through these games so many times: once a troll always a troll. I really can't be arsed.  

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 17:51:46 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

and btw (2.00 / 3)

I've already got my "I Voted" sticker on.

Wife's dropping the older two, coming back for the baby, and headed for the polls herself.  No freaking enthusiasm gap in this household.

 

Sometimes I just vote in order to keep the mechanism available.  Form counts, even when content is distressing.

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:09:24 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

You double agent line reminded me of this article I read in the New Yorker recently... (2.00 / 3)

... on the awesomeness of British spies.

I've always liked Malcolm Gladwell even when I don't agree with him. He makes me think and consider things in a different light. So I was pleasantly suprised when I discovered this piece. I love WW2 history and spy stories so it was the perfect storm of spiff bait.

 

Operation Mincemeat and spycraft in World War 2

 

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/...

 

The Germans did not realize-until it was too late-that "William Martin" was a fiction. The man they took to be a high-level courier was a mentally ill vagrant who had eaten rat poison; his body had been liberated from a London morgue and dressed up in officer's clothing. The letter was a fake, and the frantic messages between London and Madrid a carefully choreographed act. When a hundred and sixty thousand Allied troops invaded Sicily on July 10, 1943, it became clear that the Germans had fallen victim to one of the most remarkable deceptions in modern military history.

The story of Major William Martin is the subject of the British journalist Ben Macintyre's brilliant and almost absurdly entertaining "Operation Mincemeat" (Harmony; $25.99). The cast of characters involved in Mincemeat, as the caper was called, was extraordinary, and Macintyre tells their stories with gusto. The ringleader was Ewen Montagu, the son of a wealthy Jewish banker and the brother of Ivor Montagu, a pioneer of table tennis and also, in one of the many strange footnotes to the Mincemeat case, a Soviet spy. Ewen Montagu served on the so-called Twenty Committee of the British intelligence services, and carried a briefcase full of classified documents on his bicycle as he rode to work each morning.

 

The British are so cool. 

 

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 11:45:47 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

I like Gladwell's essays better than his books (2.00 / 3)

And this is a new one to me, so thanks.

I've got some of Ben Macintyre's books (from the airport) and never read them, but will.

 

Since the German's had better technology (except for aircraft) we had to resort to all kinds of dodgy tricks throughout world war 2, and well into the Cold War. Ian Fleming worked for Naval Intelligence, and created James Bond out of various characters he met from the wartime Special Operations Executive.  Many of their missions were kept secret till now.

 

But the best bit of all was the great Gay Mathematician and scientist Alan Turing, who not only conceived of the future of computing, he also (through cracking Naval enigma codes) probably shortened the war by 2 years. The code cracking brought Atlantic convoy resupply back up to strength for D-Day.

 

One famous story I remember from Turing's biography. He was taught by the famously terse and difficult Austrian born philosopher Wittgenstein. The latter used to taunt Turing over all his work on artificial intelligence, binary calculation and the Universal Telling Machine, saying "How will any of your games with numbers do anything to change the world?"

 

Er.... Oops.

 

Sadly Turing was chemically castrated because of his sexuality, and died far too young as a result of the side effects.  

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 11:56:17 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Truth is stranger than fiction (and more interesting) and all that. (2.00 / 2)

Alan Turing sounds like a fascinating character.

I think I'm going to see if I can download it to my Kindle.

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 00:54:54 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Just read the whole essay... (2.00 / 3)

and it's a wonderful summation of the problems of intelligence gathering and analysis, with obvious reference to Iraqi WMD.

But I underestimated the importance of fiction in the whole operation.

 

The idea for Operation Mincemeat, Macintyre tells us, had its roots in a mystery story written by Basil Thomson, a former head of Scotland Yard's criminal-investigation unit. Thomson was the author of a dozen detective stories, and his 1937 book "The Milliner's Hat Mystery" begins with the body of a dead man carrying a set of documents that turn out to be forged. "The Milliner's Hat Mystery" was read by Ian Fleming, who worked for naval intelligence. Fleming helped create something called the Trout Memo, which contained a series of proposals for deceiving the Germans, including this idea of a dead man carrying forged documents. The memo was passed on to John Masterman, the head of the Twenty Committee-of which Montagu and Cholmondeley were members. Masterman, who also wrote mysteries on the side, starring an Oxford don and a Sherlock Holmes-like figure, loved the idea. Mincemeat, Macintyre writes, "began as fiction, a plot twist in a long-forgotten novel, picked up by another novelist, and approved by a committee presided over by yet another novelist. 

 

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 12:22:03 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Epic takedown! (2.00 / 3)

 

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 10:58:26 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Repetitive rants. Check. (2.00 / 4)

Typos. Check.

Obviously trollish behavior. Check.

 

Yup. aliveandkickin a.k.a. mumbaiburns a.k.a. (forgot his other handles)

 

This person seriously needs help. He is obsessed with that blog.

 

Nice to see you around Strummerson! 

 

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 10:58:06 AM CDT

Must be.... (2.00 / 3)

...he/she/it is still stewing over the primary wars.

Good catch.

 

Moose Juice; debate without hate 

by: Brit @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 11:15:13 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

ludwigvan? (2.00 / 3)

Good to see you too Spiff.

Bracing for the worst.  Praying for a mitigated defeat.

 

We'll do what we can this round and rally on the next one.

 

btw, why do these trolls all claim insider status?  This joker seems to believe he was doing "WH level" political work 10 years ago or so.  ludwigvan claimed to be friendly with both Clintons.

 

FWIW, Bill has been really out there this round.  I'm hoping this positions him to be a real asset in 2012.  Seems like neither of the Clintons despise the current administration like their "devoted supporters."  

 

The future is unwritten 

by: Strummerson @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 21:11:03 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Good to see you too! (2.00 / 3)

I've been reading your comments all day. I've lol'd hard! I hadn't gone over there in some time. Surprised Jerome frontpaged an obvious troll. That place hasn't been relevant in years. Elections are here and MyDD is getting page hits because it has a new troll. That about sums it up.

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 00:48:51 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

My Guess... (2.00 / 2)

Is that it's Holden Caulfield.  The Malcolm-X 'bamboozled' diarist, among others.

by: Shaun Appleby @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 20:56:57 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

all the same, methinks. (2.00 / 1)

 

 

It's a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead, and find no one there. -Franklin Roosevelt 

by: fogiv @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:00:39 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

What a bag of douche (2.00 / 5)

The entire fp lineup over there is.  It is absolutely hillis44 land.  Disgusting.  Glad the forum software does not let me post from my iPad.

 

Howard Dean is my guy. (in a strictly nonsexual fashion) 

by: lojasmo @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 18:09:07 PM CDT

bag of douche. (2.00 / 2)

lol!

 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 00:49:47 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Glad to know it's still a sewer (2.00 / 5)

I haven't been there since the general election two years ago. It sounds like I haven't missed much.

by: rfahey22 @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:03:13 PM CDT

Hey, stranger (2.00 / 6)

Good to see you.

 

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis 

by: John Allen @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:18:25 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

You too. It's been a crazy few months. (2.00 / 4)

Work's been a little crazy.  That, and the last year to year and a half has been depressing from a political perspective.  But, I guess now we'll have Republicans to rail against, rather than other Democrats, which will be a nice change of pace. 

 

 Yup. You've still got the "flamey" touch. I am glad I have never been on the other side of one of these. How can you ever come back from that ? - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 11:04:56 AM CDT [ Parent ] You think I pwned him (2.00 / 2) Check out Strummerson's consummate destruction in my diary. I thinks this tops my response by quite a long way. The last two lines (I'll bold them) are stirring, classic, and should go down as the ulimate rejoinder to internet threats of violence All hail the glorious sainted martyrdom of changeagain2012! Let's see: You oppose hijacking other peoples' diaries.   BUT here you are.  What does this have to do with the diarist? You oppose insults and personal attacks. BUT you come into this diary to do nothing but attack and threaten me. You want nothing to do with me. BUT you carry over our dispute from another thread into this one. Funny.  If it looks like a hypocrite.  If it types like a hypocrite.  You know the rest. As for blaming me (and my "type," you ridiculous bigot) for destroying MYDD.  This is absurd.  Just part of your twisted persecution complex.  It's a bit circular, you see.  Just because you can't justify this tripe means that you are being bullied.  The fact that someone is willing to stand up to this tripe that you cannot justify means that you are being bullied.  Because you are being bullied, you think your tripe is justified. Wake up.  It's your "type" of PUMA delusion diaries that destroyed the traffic on this site.   And your boast of being involved in politics at the WH level loses credibility with every post you type.  It's just really hard to believe that the Clintons would have kept this level of thinking around. But what do I know.  I'm no professional political operative like yourself.  Just a committed activist who thinks that you are trying to aid and abet the enthusiasm gap on the eve of a critical election.  It's not what we need right now.  But of course, your website grievances MUST take precedence.  Shame on you. For the record, if you did take a swing at me... ...I wouldn't blink before turning my back and walking away.  Who's the thug?

Moose Juice; debate without hate  by: Brit @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 15:13:06 PM CDT [ Parent ] Really seems to be a new iteration (2.00 / 4) of aliveandkicking.

yep, exactly (2.00 / 2) ...and mumbaiburns, and ______, and _____, and _____ (ad naseum)

: fogiv @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 19:55:58 PM CDT [ Parent ] This poster summed it up best. (2.00 / 5) hahaha Just when I thought there couldn't be a worse front-pager than Jack Landsman, you go and prove me wrong. by Vox Populi 2010-10-31 08:44PM | login to reply | 1 recs

If I recall correctly Charles banned the previous aliveandkickin sockpuppet. Now he's frontpaging and Charles Lemos is gone. Way to run a blog Jerome.

(2.00 / 3) "Way to run a blog Jerome."

[ Parent ] not only that... (2.00 / 3) but the new sock is a front pager?  kooky.  or JA is trolling his own site again, and less concerned how obvious it is.  still kooky.

by: fogiv @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 21:59:31 PM CDT [ Parent ] wow (2.00 / 3) I can't believe it's Jerome.  Painting himself as a martyr?  Now THAT would really be sick. I was really hoping for a ban.  I don't know if I have the willpower to stay away from the righteous schadenfreudefest that it's gonna be for the next week over there... The future is unwritten  by: Strummerson @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:05:03 PM CDT [ Parent ]

schadenfreudefest? (2.00 / 2) Perfect German compound noun... I'm stealing that one. Moose Juice; debate without hate  by: Brit @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 05:56:04 AM CDT [ Parent ] You can't steal (2.00 / 2) what is freely offered. And Jerome is already distributing part hats.  I'll save you the peptic disturbance of checking the front page as this is the best bit: "MyDD: Still on beta... will crash and burn early. Save it for another day. Fallout: Of course this mid-term result is more a rejection of the Democrats, and specifically Obama politics, than it is an embrace of the Republicans. The Obama loyalists will say they are reality-based and that Obama wasn't on the ballot. White liberal intellectuals imply that any potential Democratic '12 challenger is being racially divisive." And changeagain is cuddling up to you.  He wants to get together over "brown liquid and smokes" to talk about his buddy Hitchens.  All you Brits apparently know one another in his universe.  Just like I know Philip Roth and Anthony Weiner (picked two that I'd like to, but it could be Foxman and Frum as well). The future is unwritten  by: Strummerson @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:45:23 AM CDT [ Parent ]

Surely.... (2.00 / 2) ...Jerome is a vivid example why the progressive left is so weak in American politics. It's all ego and attitudinising. He can't even organise a decent set of frontpagers, let alone a political campaign. Unfortunately I see traits of that in Kos (aswell of Huffington and Hamsher of course). Radical individualism, often collapsing into pure narcissism, is the opposite of organisation and solidarity. I know the latter can decline into Orwellian collectivism... but don't these people understand the basic principles of political power. You have to work with people you don't like. End of mini rant. As T.S. Eliot said "a bad writer borrows, a good writer steals" so I'm still going to commit some petty larceny on your neologism I noticed the sickening buddy up from deranged idiot on MYDD. I'm not quite sure how to respond. Maybe love bomb him into total meltdown. However, since the guy has no shame, I can't really embarrass any further than he has already embarrassed himself. Think I'll just keep away for a while. We're both wasting our talents on someone too ridiculous and needy for words. Mind you, I enjoyed the put downs. Good practice for a more important opponent in the future. Moose Juice; debate without hate  by: Brit @

Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 06:56:30 AM CDT [ Parent ] Think tactically. (2.00 / 3) Be good cop.  Just a gesture.  Maybe in 6 months the place will regain a bit of relevance and you'll be able to use his cozying up to create a sliver of sane space in which to actually make an argument. Frankly, I'm a bit torn.  Even when I disagree with folks here, it's usually so agreeable and pleasant that it doesn't seem consequential.  Probably just a perceptual thing.  I already have a group of very longstanding friends back east I do this with over email.  Sparring and supporting. But DKos is so enormous and MYDD is so sad.  Dunno. The future is unwritten  by: Strummerson @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 07:05:17 AM CDT [ Parent ]

He's Just Trying... (2.00 / 1) To slyly get Brit to out himself so he can attack him personally.  Seen it before.  Brit, don't lower your guard. by: Shaun Appleby @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 17:18:21 PM CDT [ Parent ]

I'm pretty sure (2.00 / 2) that this incarnation of whomever lacks such sophistication. He's sincerely delusional.  He's looking for validation that he's not who he senses he is. The future is unwritten  by: Strummerson @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 17:24:24 PM CDT [ Parent ] Yeah... (2.00 / 2) That too.  

But my guess is this little troll is tricksy and has some resources, from past performance. by: Shaun Appleby @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 17:48:49 PM CDT [ Parent ] Frankly though (2.00 / 2) I've been through these games so many times: once a troll always a troll. I really can't be arsed.   Moose Juice; debate without hate  by: Brit @

You double agent line reminded me of this article I read in the New Yorker recently... (2.00 / 3) ...  This person seriously needs help. He is obsessed with that blog. Nice to see you around Strummerson! 

Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv 

by: spacemanspiff @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 10:58:06 AM CDT Must be.... (2.00 / 3) ...he/she/it is still stewing over the primary wars. Good catch.  by: Brit @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 11:15:13 AM CDT [ Parent ] ludwigvan? (2.00 / 3)

Good to see you too Spiff. Bracing for the worst.  Praying for a mitigated defeat. We'll do what we can this round and rally on the next one. btw, why do these trolls all claim insider status?  This joker seems to believe he was doing "WH level" political work 10 years ago or so.  ludwigvan claimed to be friendly with both Clintons. FWIW, Bill has been really out there this round.  I'm hoping this positions him to be a real asset in 2012.  Seems like neither of the Clintons despise the current administration like their "devoted supporters."   The future is unwritten  by: Strummerson

@ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 21:11:03 PM CDT [ Parent ] Good to see you too! (2.00 / 3) I've been reading your comments all day. I've lol'd hard! I hadn't gone over there in some time. Surprised Jerome frontpaged an obvious troll. That place hasn't been relevant in years. Elections are here and MyDD is getting page hits because it has a new troll. That about sums it up. Without poverty, corruption, injustice, bigotry, stupidity, and inequality good people like us would have absolutely nothing to do. - fogiv  by: spacemanspiff @

Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 00:48:51 AM CDT [ Parent ] My Guess... (2.00 / 2) Is that it's Holden Caulfield.  The Malcolm-X 'bamboozled' diarist, among others. by: Shaun Appleby @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 20:56:57 PM CDT [ Parent ]

all the same, methinks. (2.00 / 1)  by: fogiv @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:00:39 PM CDT [ Parent ] What a bag of douche (2.00 / 5) The entire fp lineup over there is.  It is absolutely hillis44 land.  Disgusting.  Glad the forum software does not let me post from my iPad.  by: lojasmo @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 18:09:07 PM

CDT bag of douche. (2.00 / 2) lol! . - fogiv  by: spacemanspiff @ Tue Nov 02, 2010 at 00:49:47 AM CDT [ Parent ]

Glad to know it's still a sewer (2.00 / 5) I haven't been there since the general election two years ago. It sounds like I haven't missed much. by: rfahey22 @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:03:13 PM CDT

Hey, stranger (2.00 / 6) Good to see you. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis  by: John Allen @ Mon Nov 01, 2010 at 22:18:25 PM CDT [ Parent ]

You too. It's been a crazy few months. (2.00 / 4) Work's been a little crazy.  That, and the last year to year and a half has been depressing from a political perspective.  But, I guess now we'll have Republicans to rail against, rather than other Democrats, which will be a nice change of pace.

 

The Dump LBJ Movement, Obama and 2012

 

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"The enemy increaseth every day" and "We, at the height, are ready to decline"

(Julius Caesar Act 4, scene 3, lines 216–217)

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There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.

(Brutus - Julius Caesar Act 4, scene 3, lines 218–220) William Shakespeare

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"I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it." - Adlai Stevenson.

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In the summer of 1967, a 38 year old political activist and law school instructor named  Al Lowenstein conceived the highly unlikely idea of a movement to dump Lyndon Johnson.  It was as columnist Jack Newfield wrote " rather like Castro and a handful of guerrillas in the Seirra Maestra planning to overthrow Batista."

But Lowenstein fought on tenaciously because he detected deep satisfaction with LBJ when everybody else just thought his opposition comprised only of "long haired college students on LSD."

Said Lowenstein:

"There were little enclaves.  But people were doubtful and doubted that anyone else felt the way that they did.  Only farmers were against Johnson, or only Jews, or only intellectuals, or only ivy league halfbacks.  We only had to get them together to see this was not true." 

Working out of his New York apartment, Lowenstein pulled together a ragtag group of allies and started to try to find a candidate. 

Eventually he had a group he described as "75 people, half of them under the age of twelve".

New York magazine said it was a "quixotic campaign fought to the tune of laughter and snickering."

The first person Lowenstein asked to challenge Lyndon Johnson in the 1968 Democratic primaries, Robert Kennedy, said no, then Senator George McGovern when asked declined fearing that if he ran against Johnson and lost he would never win again in a Senate reelection in SD.

McGovern suggested they ask Senators Metcalf from Montana and McCarthy of Minnesotta.

Senator Metcalf rejected the idea as "ridiculous".  

But McCarthy said that " the only way to get Johnson to change would be for someone to run against him."

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From Wiki:

The Dump Johnson movement was a movement within the United States Democratic Party to oppose the candidacy of President of the United States Lyndon B. Johnson to become the party's nominee in the 1968 presidential election. Their opposition to Johnson stemmed mainly from their opposition to the Vietnam War, while the movement can be seen as part of an internal battle within the Democratic Party between antiwar liberals, unreconstructed Cold Warriors and moderates.[1]

Within the left wing of the Democratic party there had been rumbles all during 1967 of challenging Lyndon B. Johnson's candidacy. The leading proponents of the Dump Johnson Movement were two opponents of the war, Allard K. Lowenstein and Curtis Gans. Their first choice to be a candidate was Robert F. Kennedy, but the New York Senator declined after a series of meetings in September and October 1967.[3] When he declined, they next turned to California Congressman Don Edwards, Idaho Senator Frank Church, Canadian-born economist John Kenneth Galbraith, General James M. Gavin, and South Dakota Senator George S. McGovern, all of whom similarly declined. Finally in mid-October 1967 Lowenstien approached Minnesota Senator Eugene McCarthy and found to his surprise that the Senator was willing. 'Somebody has to raise the flag,' [4] McCarthy remarked. Six days later, in a meeting with Lowenstein and another liberal leader McCarthy made his decision definite. "You guys have been talking about three or four names. I think you can cut the list down to one now."

 

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In 1964 Johnson won the presidency by a majority of 61 percent.

No post-1964 Democratic candidate has managed to better LBJ's 1964 electoral result.

In 1966 Johnson's popularity had fallen, and the opposition was able to gain a net of 47 seats.

By 1967, the Democratic governor of Missouri warned that Johnson would lose the state by 100,000 votes, despite a half-million margin in 1964. "Frustration over the war; too much federal spending and... taxation; no great public support for your programs; and ... public disenchantment" had eroded the President's standing, the governor reported.

On March 12, 1968, McCarthy in the New Hampshire primary won 42% of the primary vote to Johnson's 49%.

On March 31, 1968, following the New Hampshire primary and Robert Kennedy's entry into the election, the President startled the nation by announcing:

"With America's sons in the fields far away, with America's future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the world's hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office--the Presidency of your country.

Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as your President."

 

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I suggest you watch this entire clip.  

I think after the next year of partisan fights and investigations, continued economic horrors and no answers in these partisan wars to our long term endless debt problems, you can see that if instead of running again in 2012 in a election that polls already say he will lose, if Obama instead gave this exact speech, almost word for word, the nation, the Party and history would applaud him for it.

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Yes, that may sound startling now, and a joke to insiders both in 1966 and today, but I don't think LBJ's graceful Presidential exit shocked Al Lowenstein in 1968 - nor would it shock me if in early 2012, Barack Obama gave pretty much this very same speech.

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While looking around the internet I found this facebook page,

"The Dump Obama Movement".

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-dump_Obama-Movement/108531419205910?ref=ts

Less than 100 people have joined it but thats significantly more than Al Lowenstein started off with isn't it?.

 

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OK, all those that believe Obama will face no inner party challenge and is a shoe in for election can start their snickering and laughing now...

But maybe before you do, you should read this report from US News and World Report from a week BEFORE the worst electoral blood bath for Democrats in over 70 years. A historic rejection of the Obama White House that lost Democrats close to 70 House seats, 19 state legislatures and gave us 24 victorious GOP Governors who's wins included defeating 10 sitting Democratic Governors...the flight of independents, women and suburban voters to the GOP...

After that, there's the first post mid term polling from CNN on the 2012 Presidential race and Obama is doing very,very poorly.

Then a piece I read after writing this diary that also suggests a correlation between 1968 and 2012 and predicts a Democratic challenge to Obama.

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Poll: Most Want Obama Fired In 2012

http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/10/27/poll-most-want-obama-fired-in-2012

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, rapped by the White House for pledging to makeBarack Obama a one-term president, seems to have the support of a majority of Americans. A new poll provided to Whispers says that 56 percent of likely voters want the president fired.

According to pollster Doug Schoen, whose new poll shows vast support for the Tea Party movement among voters, the president is still liked by about half the nation. In fact, more like him personally than like his policies. Some 48 percent think he's a nice guy, while just 42 percent approve of his job performance.

But that personal favorability doesn't translate into re-election support when voters are asked if Obama deserves a second term. Says Schoen: "Despite voters feelings towardObama personally, 56 percent say he does not deserve to be re-elected, while 38 percent say he does deserve to be re-elected president." Worse, Schoen adds, "43 percent say that Barack Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, while 48 percent say Bush was a better president than Obama has been."

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Poll: GOP candidates top Obama in hypothetical 2012 race

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/04/poll.2012.candidates/

Washington (CNN) -- A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday also indicates that at the unofficial start of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, the field of possible contenders appears wide open with no front-runner

"Looking ahead to 2012, it may be too early to count Barack Obama out, particularly if Sarah Palin is his opponent, Obama leads Palin 52-44 percent among all registered voters, but In a hypothetical 2012 matchup, Huckabee leads Obama 52 - 44 percent, while Romney has a 50-45 point advantage, which is within the poll's sampling error. Obama holds a 49-47 percent margin over Gingrich.

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Democrats against Obama

By STEVEN STARK  | Boston Phoenix - November 3, 2010

Even before the rout at the polls, Democrats were nervous about their President. The left felt sold out, and moderates were frightened. Now it's payback time.

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Now that the midterm wipeout has concluded, analysts are already sizing up the GOP challengers to a weakened Barack Obama. Not only that: some Democratic party elders are considering the once-unthinkable scenario of a debilitating challenge to Barack Obama from inside his party — most likely from a disgruntled critic on the left. But in truth, Obama has little to fear there. It's an urban myth that any inter-party challenge to a president weakens him. George Wallace challenged Lyndon Johnson in 1964 and Pete McCloskey ran against Richard Nixon in 1972 — both to little effect. Even Pat Buchanan's insurgency against George Bush in 1992 was far more symptom than cause of the incumbent's loss in November.

No, what Obama should fear is a challenge from a party heavyweight — as happened in 1968 with Johnson (Robert Kennedy), 1976 with Gerald Ford (Ronald Reagan), and 1980 with Jimmy Carter (Ted Kennedy). In each of those cases, the incumbent did eventually lose, which is why the real threat to Obama is Hillary Clinton, and maybe even a reborn Jerry Brown.

Of those three examples above, 1968 is the most relevant this time. It seemed impossible in early 1967 that Kennedy would challenge Johnson, just as it seems so unlikely now that the current sitting secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, will defy Obama. But the bad economy is Obama's Vietnam War. (Yes, Larry Summers is Robert McNamara in this analogy, but that's for another column.) The longer it drags on, the more the party establishment will grow uneasy that Obama could pull a Samson and take everything down with him.

Already, a fair portion of the party mainstream is alienated from the administration. The moderates have seen their congressional wing decimated. Many were upset when Obama went to Rhode Island on October 25 and refused to endorse the Democratic candidate for governor because independent Lincoln Chafee had backed Obama in 2008. And few need reminding that Obama barely won the nomination in 2008 over Clinton. More than a few Democrats are experiencing a bad case of buyer's remorse.

Thats just the Beginning -

Read more: http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/110941-democrats-against-obama/?page=1#TOPCONTENT#ixzz14MegSFXj

 

There's more...

What Happens When You Reject The FDR/LBJ/CLINTON Coalition For a Fluky Personality Cult

 

 

The Only Politician Obama May Personally Get Elected Isn't Even A Dem. How Obama's Choice Is Screwing Rhode Island Democrats.

When does the head of the Democratic Party refuse to endorse the Democratic nominee in the MOST Democratic state in the union.

In the age of Obama it seems.

Obama's Press secretary said that Obama was not endorsing the Democratic nominee for governor of Rhode island because Obama and former Republican Senator Chaffee, who now has taken the lead in the polls since Obama's visit to R.I., were "friends."

WHAT!?

Let us remember that in 2006, Caprio, the endorsed candidate of the Democratic Party, was elected General Treasurer of Rhode Island, receiving 73% of the vote. He won by a larger margin than any candidate for a contested statewide office in Rhode Island that year.

Very simply, in 2010, Frank Caprio IS the Democratic Party's choice to be the Ocean state's next Governor.

ALL of the coverage about how Obama very publicly chose not to endorse Democrat Frank Caprio, our candidate for Governor and the currently RI's Democratic Treasurer, in Rhode island has been about the "shove it" comment.  I have only seen two people in the ENTIRE media mix (thank you google) even mention how unprecedented it is for the titular head of a political party to help elect someone NOT in his own Party.  (Thats taught on day one of Party politics 101 for you people new to politics)

It is unforgivable to every Democrat who cares about his country and his Party that the head of our Party made a big public thumbing of his nose at our Democratic nominee for Governor of Rhode Island.

Making such a public show has very possibly killed our chances of winning there. That was to be expected and sadly, it was intended to do just that.

Proof of this is David Axelrod press statements that added fuel to the fire, further damaging Democratic chances to win.

White House senior advisor David Axelrod said Demcratic gubernatorial candidate Caprio sought the same presidential endorsement he told Barack Obama to "shove."

The Caprio camp was blindsided to see the front page of Monday’s Providence Journal carrying a banner headline about the White House telling reporters Obama would not endorse the Democratic nominee out of respect for Chafee.

“The issue for us was not around his decision not to endorse – the issue for us is more the way the White House handled the situation,” Cario spokesman said.

By speaking to the press without contacting the Caprio campaign first, the White House “basically dropped on us” a negative story amid a high-profile Obama visit in the midst of a tight three-way race for governor.

When Obama came to R.I. he actually held the DCCC fundraiser (which was the purported reason for the trip) at the home of a major supporter of former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee's and pointedly said he wasn't endorsing the Democratic nominee.

Not good form coming to the state and then embarrasing and then Kicking your Party's own Candidate Under the Bus. Is that any way to build Party loyalty in a election where so many good Democrats are threatened with losing their seats?  I think not and I think many will remember this when Obama in the future asks endangered Dems for support or a favor.

What gives Obama the right to undercut and destroy the electoral chances of his own Party.

As President Obama IS the head of the Democratic Party, not the Barack Obama Party.

The message he sent:

"It doesn't matter if you vote for the Democrat in the race.  I don't care."

I would say that Caprio's response validate's Obama's decision completely.

What Obama did in Rhode Island was shocking, outrageous and unprecedented.  Ive never heard of anything like this happening before, its troubling and it leaves a lot of Rhode Island democrats out in the cold in a very terrible situation. This is a close three way race and President Obama's act can easily swing the liberal vote up there by this and cause the Democrats to lose the Governor's mansion.

The Executive Director of The Democratic Governors Association agrees:

"This is disappointing. Frank Caprio has spent his career fighting for the values of the Democratic Party, and I think he deserves the full support of our party and its leaders. While this might not be what the White House intended, the president’s refusal to endorse a fellow Democrat in the worst environment since 1994 sends a bad message to everyone who’s working to get Democrats elected this year."

 

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Did Obama Royalist Enforcer Thugs Run Everybody Off From MyDD?

Once upon a time, back during the beginning of the Presidential primary season of 2007 and 2008, the online progressive political net world settled into a comfortable situation where the two main opposing camps ended up in one or the other of the two major online community blogs. 

The more radicalized or Naderish (in my opinion) who were intensely against Hillary Clinton and later became advocates of Obama were ensconced at the Daily Kos and the more traditional progressive Democrats who either supported Hillary or at minimum didn't hate the Clintons,were here at myDD.

Of course, at first there were supporters of both candidates at either site too.

At one point a large group of Hillary supporters at Daily Kos who no longer could take the hate filled abuse hurled at them left that site en masse and came here instead to post their diaries.

The problem was that a roving band of thuggish thought police enforcers hillary hating bullies followed them here and made it clear that free speech was not free and that a price would be paid by anyone who dared to oppose the rise of the chosen One.

I use to come to this site all the time before the Spring of 2008 when it was taken over by this swarm from the Daily Kos.  It was clear they came here only to attack and insult Hillary Clinton supporters in the ugliest of ways.

Also, because they saw Jerome Armstrong as being opposed to their "precious", he was savaged in ways that still make me cringe when I think of them.

As the national voting showed, the simple reality was that the vast majority of actual Democrats supported bringing the better tested and much more accomplished Clintons back to the White House to fix the myriad of disasters that the Bush Presidency would leave behind  

But to Obama's online roving thug army that choice made them livid and they would begin their frothing attacks which were basically the same that they still use against anyone who dares to criticize their chosen one. Personal attacks, quickly hurling stunning and shocking words like "racist" as if it were true or even acceptable or believable to say such things without absolute proof.  

This simply intimidated many of those who came to this site and who dared to write diaries or comments supporting their candidate of choice.   So some just left.  Others were so hounded that they left after they were swarmed so often by the vile filled Obama enforcers that they left because they found the experience just too distasteful.  

Others left because some of this site's moderators - who I notice are gone from here now too - actually banned the strongest Clinton supporting diarists from this site outright.  Thats when I left - I found that the outright censorship by these moderators - at a site that was supposed to be a open forum for Progressives - so outrageous and disgraceful to simply be unbearable.

The saddest thing was that I had come to appreciate the thoughts and opinions of this site's founder, Jerome Armstrong, and to read the ugly words hurled at him every time he wrote anything that didnt fit the Obama roving army's thought police guidelines was very depressing.  

To watch the site's moderators - who were quick to ban those Hillary supporters who crossed a movable line protecting Obama - do nothing when Armstrong was defamed and being savaged and allow this wilding of Jerome to go on time after time defined disloyalty in its most extreme online form.

Ive stopped back a few times since and written a diary or two and been attacked by the remnants of this once overwhelming force of self enforced censors and screamers for my apostacy and again the experience was so distasteful - that I left myDD again.

The site where many fled to during the Hillary 'killing time' because it allowed all opinions -was now completely dominated by a very vocal and small minority (less then 10 I'd guess) who would decide - on their own - what would be allowed to be discussed here and work to insult, hide, remove or just plain intimidate any post or poster who dared to disagree with their personal opinion.

 Its that simple and its scary.  Self appointed net censors.  

Who'd of thought it would ever come to this?

Now that these net thugs bullied everybody away, it seems most of them have left too.  No surprise there - the enforcer thug lives to squash dissent, not opine on public policy.

I've read Jerome's recent diaries and in the few comments written to them - still fully half are nothing but insults and attacks on Jerome, his politics, his intelligence.  Others mock him for the collapse of the readership of this site - blaming it upon his criticism of Obama's politics or policy.  

The truth is that there are dozens of Democrat/progressive sites that reject the Obama administration and its policies all the time and they are thriving.

This real truth is that site's readership fled because of the endless attacks of Obama's thugs and enforcers - not because of this site's attacks on Obama.

After the collapse of support for Obama and as the incompetence of his political team loses Democrats our hard earned House of Representatives and leaves us with probably only 15 or 16 out of 50 Governorships - it would be good if there was a forum where an open and free dialogue can take place to discuss how Democrats can reorganize to win back what the Obamacrats have lost us.

Can this site be that place?  

A recent poll says 33% of Democrats who voted for Obama in 2008 now say they support him no longer and will not vote for him again.  

Seems to me that there are many Democrats who would like to discuss whether the road we are on now may lead to even more loses and maybe even that maybe Obama shouldn't run again..

Will such a conversation even be allowed?  Or will those obama enforcers who still hate this site and publicly loathe its founder be allowed to control it even after they and this site's own dishonest and disloyal moderators completely deforested myDD and left it an absolute ghost town on the ol' internet prairie.


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Obama to Rhode island Dems - Shove It!

 

 

 

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