Open Letter to Linfar

Linfar,

I trust your motives are honest, but you doubt ours are. Do you not see this?

If a George Bush clone changed his party registration to Democrat, and ran for president, should he automatically get our votes?

I really want to understand you. But I don't. Please explain why you are trying to coerce us into voting a certain way. Voting is supposed to be about choosing; it's supposed to be about freedom.

Give us reasons to vote FOR a candidate, instead of attacking our credibility.

Today you complain Alegre has not written enough diaries on MyDD lately. Recently you complained of the diaries she wrote on MyDD.

I sense you are honestly puzzled by some of us, but please explain what is motivating your campaign to discredit Alegre, and others like her.

Sincerely,
Me

Tags: Hillary, obama (all tags)

Comments

92 Comments

Re: Open Letter to Linfar

If your diary looks like an email, reads like an email, and could be sent to one person (like an email), then don't make it a diary.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-25 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Cat, damn I have to go into profile and mojo you some more. Rec'd this dairy too.

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

lol

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

chit, I like yours too. Lets see should  20 mojo's be good for you. Certainly I can find 20 out the many you made, that I find spectacular!. Hmm I wonder it gives back TU status for those who lost it.

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Thank you.  I have TU.  May I recommend time spent on those "less fortunate"?  :)

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Oh I do... :). hey I'm less fortunate too. feel free to go into my profile ( click my name) and IF you agree w/ my sentiments -- Mojo me too  for all my comments on the 1st page:)

Because i get TU in and out every 10 days.. I love to give the HR rated folks the same Mojo treatment...

Btw--I agreed w/ over 20 plus of your comments. gave ya a padding ...

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Ugh.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-25 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Wow what fake Narcissism.

No one cares about you or Alegre, she has a website for those recovering from selfpitty-disorder.

Were are those crying child fail pics when you need them?

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-25 01:46PM | 0 recs
Unfair to call this fake narcissism.

It's 100% premium grade narcissism.  That's what drives the PUMA movement.

by Geekesque 2008-06-25 01:48PM | 0 recs
Uh huh

And what of Linfar? Is she exempted from narcissism because she goes after certain named bloggers? Is she contributing to it?

by catfish2 2008-06-25 01:51PM | 0 recs
She didn't name her. I did (with the help

of the Clinton campaign).

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-25 01:54PM | 0 recs
linfar's not exempt

she's just smarter about it.

by Mobar 2008-06-25 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh huh

I think the narcissism comments stem from the fact that you are demanding that everyone take the time to convince you to vote for Obama.  How about you look at his policy positions, compare them to McCain's, and make up your own mind?  If that leads you to choose McCain then so be it, but if that's the case I have no idea why you were planning on voting for Clinton since they are ideological opposites on so many issues.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-25 01:58PM | 0 recs
That, and their OUTRAGE that

Barack Obama hasn't personally delivered pizza to the PUMA party's weekly "Best of Americas Funniest Home Videos" viewing party.

by Geekesque 2008-06-25 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Unfair to call this fake narcissism.

I totally doubt that the motives of many, if not most, PUMAz are honest.

It is a PUMA that wrote the following, and it was a site chock full of PUMAz where NOT A SINGLE PERSON OTHER THAN PSYCHODREW (who is NOT a PUMA) spoke out against it:

IMO, anyone worried about the court, abortion rights and civil rights for the LGBT community should have supported Hillary and so I am very immune from their calls to  "think about the courts" now.  I am 51 and I am not gay.  All my life I fought for the rights of women, African Americans and gay and lesbian people.... and now I feel that all those groups have thrown me and their real defender, Hillary, off the bus.
I hate to sound so militant, but don't whine to me about the fucking courts NOW.  Let these people fight for their rights themselves and maybe next time they willl not take their champions for granted.

I won't bother attributing the quote. The author is a member here (unless she has been banned), if she wants she can claim her own nasty words.

There is no need to start a campaign to discredit such persons...they do a perfectly good job of it themselves.

Linfar, unlike the supposed Hillary supporters referred to, is doing what her candidate asked her supporters to do....continue to support her by joining her in the fight to defeat John McCain and see the Democrat elected President. There is no more need for her to defend her position than there is for Hillary to defend hers. THEY ARE DEMOCRATS.

I applaud Linfar for speaking out against those who used to be her, and Clinton's, allies. Clinton herself would be proud of Linfar....and would surely sincerely thank her for her continued support.

As to this diary...I sincerely believe that there is absolutely nothing sincere about it.

by Kysen 2008-06-25 02:29PM | 0 recs
Denial is bliss.

We envy you.

by catfish2 2008-06-25 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Denial is bliss.

No, m'dear, ignorance is bliss....and that is something the PUMAz have in spades.

Blissful or no, I don't envy them an iota.

by Kysen 2008-06-25 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

You are apparently a typical bot...thoughtless, classless and clueless. Those of us eschewing Mr. BO are doing it because he is an extremelty low-level candidate. And his supporters continue to confirm that thesis.

by susanclare 2008-06-26 04:58PM | 0 recs
Take this crap to email. And,

PUMAteers are still narcissistic socipaths.

by Geekesque 2008-06-25 01:47PM | 0 recs
Open Comment to Catfish2

This may be the strangest, funniest, and ultimately meaningless diary I've ever read here.

Thank you,

Me

by Mobar 2008-06-25 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Comment to Catfish2

Yes, but tinged with a degree of sadness.

by candidate D 2008-06-25 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Props to Linfar.  She's really entering the belly of the beast now.  She's been where you are catfish, and she's doing what she can to help.  Good for her and hopefully she's able to do what those of us who haven't been there can.

by hello world 2008-06-25 01:48PM | 0 recs
Random Aside:

Hey hello world....didya mean to TR me here?:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/25/1 04028/864/20?mode=alone;showrate=1#20

;)

by Kysen 2008-06-25 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Random Aside:

Oh, no I didn't.  I don't know how that got there.

Sorry about that.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

by hello world 2008-06-25 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Random Aside:

Don't sweat it....it is easy to slip up with the ratings system here.  :)

by Kysen 2008-06-25 06:15PM | 0 recs
John McCain has the Democratic nomination?

Really?

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-25 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

You know call-out diaries aren't allowed, why are you doing it?

by kasjogren 2008-06-25 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-25 01:58PM | 0 recs
Per Mydd Rules:

* Titles of diaries should not be inflammatory, call out other users or the site, and will be deleted if not edited out, and the user banned.

by Geekesque 2008-06-25 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Per Mydd Rules:
Perhaps she is trying to make herself a 'martyr'.
It worked for Larry Sinclair!
by Kysen 2008-06-25 02:31PM | 0 recs
combat crap with petitions

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http://liebermanmustgo.com/
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by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-25 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I'd like to write an open letter to catfish2 and his like-minded folks, but frankly, it's not worth the time.

by mefeck 2008-06-25 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Too late.  You wasted you time, and mine.

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Yep, and there went mine Denny.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-25 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

See ya'.

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

You must have a short attention span if you think that was a letter.

by mefeck 2008-06-25 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I thought you weren't a PUMA?  If you are boy do I feel stupid for trying to engage in a conversation with you earlier.  No wonder you could never tell me how a PUMA can justify hurting Hillary's goals and contributions by voting for McCain.  

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

The only thing I'm saying on this post is that Linfar is entitled to her opinion, Catfish2 is entitled to her/his opinion, and so is every other Dem.  What's so confusing about that?

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

McGaffe sucks!

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I was responding your response to mefeck's post which read

"I'd like to write an open letter to catfish2 and his like-minded folks, but frankly, it's not worth the time"

You responded that he/she wasted your time, as if you were like minded with Catfish2, which would make you a PUMA.  That's what I was inferring, I apologize if I am wrong, but you do imply it by your response.  Just saying

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Catfish, I recognize from his/her diaries and posts, is a disgruntled Hillary supporter.  Time and patience will determine the outcome of Catfish's vote.  But it is Catfish's vote, only.

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

How about if we wash her/his car?  Laundry for a month?  Pay his/her electric bill?  A new pet?  Back rub? Gift certificate to Long John Silvers? Mow her/his yard for the summer?

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I'd like to add an addendum to your letter to Linfar:

P.S., Linfar, thank you very much for your convictions and your courage.  I don't say this because I agree with you, but rather I respect your gumption.  This cannot be easy.

Thank you, Linfar.  You're a good American for applying reason and sanity to a difficult situation.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-25 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

She was torn to bits on 'Hillary's Voice' for, ironically, doing EXACTLY what Hillary's own voice asked her supporters to do.

She was insulted in a variety of ways....even down to people bringing up her personal life and doubting her mental stability.
Then she was banned from the site.
Banned from 'Hillary's Voice' for promoting what Hillary asked of her supporters.

The complete lack of logic possessed by the PUMAz is utterly astounding. Clinton must be appalled by their behavior. She must be doubly appalled by the fact that many of them are proclaiming their intent to for McCain in support of her! That must make her vomit a little bit every time she hears of it.

Good grief.

by Kysen 2008-06-25 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Oh please.  I was there.  Linfar announced she was leaving, said she would explain, never did explain, and then attacked a blogger here for no reason that anyone can decipher.

People can do what they want, but "Poor Linfar" is entirely a misplaced feeling. She started whatever it is she is doing.  

Get real!

by The Smoldering Crone 2008-06-25 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Your interpretation of what went on over there is....ummm.....unique, to say the least.

If ya want me to I can copy every nasty bit here for all to see.....including the bashing of others other than Linfar...though, it would take up a fair amount of space.

It is amazing to me how a site created to support Hillary Clinton has devolved into a site where ONLY pro-McCain or anti-Obama comments are tolerated.

Hillary would never want her name to be attached to such a place...it is an embarrassment.

by Kysen 2008-06-25 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Sad to hear this.  Linfar, like every other decent dem deserves better.  

by candidate D 2008-06-25 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I concur with the addendum.

Besides, I would also remove a removandum, namely
all that precedes the addendum.

I know 4 year olds who are more emotionally mature than the average wild cat, be it of the puma or sabertooth tiger variety.

by french imp 2008-06-25 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar
Catfish2;
where have you been?  Don't you know you may only post diaries titled:  
Obama the Masterful
Obama the Merciful
Obama's socks don't stink.
Get with the program!  This is a Dem party site devoted to democracy!
by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

lovely. Just lovely.

What a wonderful attitude.

by JDF 2008-06-25 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Thank you.  But please be specific.  To which attititude to you praise me?  My attitude about the Dem party or my attitude about democracy?  Or are you looking for an opportunity to smear DEMOCRATS who don't think like you?

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

"are you looking for an opportunity to smear DEMOCRATS who don't think like you?"

Isn't this the only thing that you do?  Have you contributed a single positive diary about any of the candidates?  

Don't you run a blog called "The New Republican Party" that supports McCain and host a blogroll called "Anybody but Obama"?

by Can I Haz Moar Snark 2008-06-25 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar
If you need to ask:  
"Have you contributed a single positive diary about any of the candidates?"...then you're a fool!
by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

How 'bout you go pound sand?

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Hootie, you're no hoot.

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

How 'bout playing in traffic?

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I take it back.  You are a hoot.  And 12.

by ChitownDenny 2008-06-25 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Man, you blew my cover...You're such a good judge of people...I thought I could slide one right by you, but nooooo...I should have known better...I mean it's not like you attempt to paint yourself as as a strong Democrat and come on Mydd and trash our presidential nominee, and think people take you seriously....Yep, your maturity reigns supreme.

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

You forgot..

Obama's view on the issues are nearly identical to HRC's.
HRC supports and will campaign for Obama and urges her supporters to do the same.
Obama and HRC are Democrats.
John McGaffe is a Republican.
Republicans have gotten us in this shit for the past 8 years.
Why should we vote for a man who wants to continue Dubya's policies.
 

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:03PM | 0 recs
Taylor can use the help

I periodically pop in an add some extremely muted, on-message posting. I'm glad to see Linfar helping out.

by Neef 2008-06-25 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

This should be more of a comment than diary but yes I agree with everything you are saying.

by bsavage 2008-06-25 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Isn't this a diary calling out another user, contributing nothing to the conversation but spite.

Isn't this a bannable offense?  Goodbye catfish2, hello catfish3.

by Can I Haz Moar Snark 2008-06-25 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

And we all know that catfish are bottom feeders.

by venician 2008-06-25 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

No, she's a Clinton supporter.  No way this gets banned.

by MeganLocke 2008-06-25 11:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I wonder why linfar believes her/his position is a one size fit all for Democrats.

by feelfree 2008-06-25 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Because Democrats support the Democratic nominee.

Who do you support?

by mistersite 2008-06-25 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I believe I should support a candidate who speaks to the issues and fulfills the requirements which are most important to me.

by feelfree 2008-06-25 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

So out of McGaffe, Obama, Nader and Barr "who speaks to the issues and fulfills the requirements which are most important to (you)."

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

None of them.

by feelfree 2008-06-25 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

What are the issues and requirements that none of these presidential candidates speak of?

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

The most important issue for me was helping a woman become the Democratic Nominee and get elected POTUS. Only one candidate fulfilled that requirement and she is no longer in the race.

by feelfree 2008-06-25 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

So because there is no woman candidate you won't vote, even if one of the candidates will do more for the rights of women than the others?  Seems you are willing to compromise the future of women by boycotting the election, due to narrow mindedness ...

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Well....yeah that is where I stand.

I think the party has done women a great disservice during this primary. I believe it was done to the detriment of Hillary Clinton. My hopes for a female nominee have been derided and dismissed by fellow Democrats. I saw sexism raise its ugly head....etc. They say this is just politics, get over it. I say maybe in a year or two, but not by November.

I just can't bring myself to ride the unity pony again. The pony threw me off and had the nerve to kick me.
 

by feelfree 2008-06-25 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I agree.  Barack Obama had NO BUSINESS running against Hillary Clinton.  When he did that he stabbed all women in the back.

by MeganLocke 2008-06-25 11:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

It was her turn.

This election wasn't about the issues - it was about getting a female in the whitehouse, period.  With the chance of that gone, a lot of people are sick of the political process, especially now that another minority is going to "get there" first.  What an insult!

by MeganLocke 2008-06-25 11:32PM | 0 recs
OMG OMG!

first linfar was like hillary rulz obama sucks then catfish2 was like ya rlly then alegre was like rec this up gang hillsour girl

but THEN linfar was like obamas ok wassup alegre and alegre was like NOBAMA STILL SUCKS and catfish2 was like ya rlly then catfish2 was like whatup linfar why you like obama he ttlly sux STOP COERCING US LINFAR!

by JJE 2008-06-25 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: OMG OMG!

LOLZ....

by Kysen 2008-06-25 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: OMG OMG!

Rofl. linfar--still scratching head looking at cat completely perplexed--lin, not cat.

by linfar 2008-06-25 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: OMG OMG!

I laughed out loud.  Is there someway to abbreviate that?

by Koan 2008-06-25 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Well, I was scanning down the diaries list and nearly fell off my chair. C'mon now--this is around the bend. I cannot believe the vitriol coming at me for supporting the nominee of the democratic party even tho he was not my first choice. That's the democratic way. I believe in democracy--not the bush kind but the Hillary and Obama kind. you know, you fight as hard as you can, you throw in everything but the kitchen sink and then you support who wins. I learned this in grade school. I am glad we are dealing in words and not guns--all I can say. Lin walks away scratching head...

by linfar 2008-06-25 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I respect what you are doing linfar.  Being such a prominent supporter/blogger of HRC many of your so-called friends thought you would just jump ship with them instead of taking a rational approach to the election.  You deserve a ton of credit for standing up for what you believe in and to not let any one pressure or guilt trip you to switching to the wrong side.  Thank you!

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:10PM | 0 recs
Smooches, not vitriol

Thank you for responding.

by catfish2 2008-06-25 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I don't want this to be taken in the wrong way, but you're stating what should be the obvious.  I can't quite figure out why anyone would need you to explain this.  

by candidate D 2008-06-25 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Yes, it is the obvious. But something happened for women in this primary fight. First of all, I think a lot of women got involved who never were before. And second of all, women got close to something they thought was out of reach. And I think Hillary became a crusade. A symbol of all the million ways women feel dis-enfranchised, put down, run over and generally misused. And then the DNC did the same damn thing. Everyone her knows I think the party behaved badly. But not backing the nominee now will not change that. When Obama is elected a lot of  people, and hillary will be leading the way, are going to make sure that the problems with this primary will never happen again. And that's the thing I just don't get. McCain could care less. He will do Nothing. He is almost the complete opposite of all Hill stands for.

by linfar 2008-06-25 03:49PM | 0 recs
What's worse...

...calling yourself a Republican or a PUMA?  Hmmmm....

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I have only briefly visited the PUMA frequenting sites, and I have to say, I have never seen such virulent navel gazing or self-defining gas-bagging in all my years on the blogs?

Seriously, at the height of the Monica wars, when the right wingnuts on Free Republic were screaming "what about the children" and "The Rule of Law", they were more coherent then these petulant children throwing thier McTantrum.

It DOES show, that the most deeply felt anger is a personal one, cause sheer politics alone is hard to imagine people who consider themselves progressives or democrats going this far to the dark side?

I DO think these are in some case older women who have focused all the crap dealt them in their lives into one great culiminating event..cause, for the life of me, how can they hate Obama that much?

These folks are scary, even by FreeRepublic standards....

Linfar, you're gutzy for going those places, but you are better off here with the sane people.

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-25 03:18PM | 0 recs
I heard puma's...

...are planning a strike at all the city zoo's and a civil lawsuit in response to their name being smeared and being represented by a bunch of Wackos.

by hootie4170 2008-06-25 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I would like to see that. I can see all the animals now, on strike carrying placards of pumas. funny image-- Well, I can see it :)

by linfar 2008-06-25 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I think everyone has a right to vote for who they want to, Linfar included.

Even though she is a big hillary supporter, she chose to get on board and follow hillary's lead to support obama. That's fine.

Others, like myself, are not there and have chosen a different right. That's fine too.

That's what makes America great - we can belong to one party, vote in another, agree with a person or disagree with someone else.

I still plan to vote downticket democrat, but will support McCain. Some others I know that were Hillary supporters want Cynthia McKinney or plan to stay home or will write in Hillary's name.

If Hillary is on the ticket, I will vote for that ticket. If Hillary ran as an Independent, I would vote for her as an independent.

Everyone has the right to do what s/he wants to do.

by nikkid 2008-06-25 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Well supporting McCain is not welcome on this site at all.

Have a problem, write to admin.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-25 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

I wouldn't say it's not welcome, it's just irrelevant.  Like I'm not sure why the same people keep showing up and saying they're going to vote for McCain.  And they keep doing it.

If they didn't think they had an audience, who would they vote for?  Would they even vote?  I doubt it.

by MeganLocke 2008-06-25 11:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Letter to Linfar

Cat - thanks for addressing an issue we have all been thinking about. Linfar was once one of the shining stars...so thanks. The questions needed to be asked.

by susanclare 2008-06-26 05:00PM | 0 recs

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