A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

This diary is an open letter to the MyDD community.  

What has been going on here is outrageous.  Not only are some saying crazy things about the candidates, but more troubling... about other users.  Personal attacks like troll, shill, despicable, loser - well, you get the point.  This is not partisan either.  Both HRC and BO supporters do this and ought to be ashamed of themselves.

I would like to take a moment to remind everyone of the site rules:

* Users who are bashing or attacking any other user on the site, including authors of diaries and frontpage postings, will be banned. Candidates and politicians are fair game (but that doesn't mean you can use inflammatory language against candidates).

* Post as many comments as you like, but users that post comments that do nothing but name-call, denigrate the site users, or make inflammatory remarks will either be warned, or outright banned.

* Titles of diaries should not be inflammatory, call out other users or the site, and will be deleted if not edited out, and the user banned.

* Post only 1-2 diaries per day. No single or two-line diaries--if it's a comment, put it in a comment thread. Don't clutter the diaries with foolish commentary on MyDD itself. Do not create a diary that attacks another user.

* Do not troll rate (rating as 0) another user's comment unless it is a comment that is an attack on another user. Abusing this privilege will result in all your ratings being erased and/or getting a warning, or being banned.

* 'Trusted users' are those users that have 'mojo' and are able to 'review hidden comments' and can rate any of those posts hidden by a '0' ranking. If a trusted user deems the post should not be hidden, they can 'rescue' the post with a '1' rating.

* Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

* Users who are spaming the site with unrelated material or the like will be banned.
The administrating of MyDD is a group effort, and unfortunately we will fail to have the time to notice every case of abuse of the guidelines.

Further the guidelines state:

The administrating of MyDD is a group effort, and unfortunately we will fail to have the time to notice every case of abuse of the guidelines.

So - I am making a new resolution:  Whenever I see someone attacking another user, whether I agree with them or not.  I will follow the site rules and intentions and TR them.  And I hope that others will follow suit - then this group effort will elevate the debate and weed out all the others.

NOTE:  IMO clear cut freepers and trolls, and we all know who they are - should not be spared!

Tags: hr, MyDD, sanity, TR (all tags)

Comments

74 Comments

Policing ourselves=healthy debate.

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 07:52PM | 0 recs
The internet is the last bastion of the democratic

process. Without the ability to discuss candidates, we would be condemmed to bad government and corporate influence forever.

they are trying to destroy democracy

by architek 2008-05-24 08:03PM | 0 recs
I'm not sure people want to listen

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-05-24 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

HI,

I would rec if i could and i stand in support of this very thoughtful thread.

david

by giusd 2008-05-24 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

Heck, I lost rec/rate because of....

Ummm, I do not know.

I think I HR'd someone who has friends in mgt around here.  But no one (despite repeated pleas to ALL three admins) yeilded nothing in the way of a conversation.

I hope the diarist carries through on her pledge, but am also afraid that she will lose the ability if she HR's one of the chosen ones around here.

by Robert in WV 2008-05-25 08:12AM | 0 recs
how about calling.

Democrats Douche bags?

Is that cool?

by ameridad 2008-05-24 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: how about calling.

KO? well if the shoe fits.  and besides when keith joins the mydd community i will refrain.  

now what about you?  you should be honoured - its because of you that i wrote this diary!

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 07:59PM | 0 recs
So your answer is yes.

Democrats, even ones you like are fair game for words like douche bag?

Calling Joe Wilson a douche bag on this site is cool too I guess.

by ameridad 2008-05-24 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: So your answer is yes.

if you are confused - please see the site rules.

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:07PM | 0 recs
you get away with your crap

because every time you go off on hypocritical offensive rants you post one of these obnoxious doublespeak diaries.

A lot of mydd users respect and admire Keith and in your world of civility and sanity it is perfectly acceptable for you to call him a douche bag.

Then you have the temerity to accuse me of attacking you and causing you to write this tripe.

Please link then for the readers your source material. Link to where I have attacked you against the site rules.

by ameridad 2008-05-24 08:14PM | 0 recs
irony at its best...

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/24/2 21523/037/17#17

and it looks like you are not understanding the rules, because again you are personalizing this.  its not.  so please refrain from calling ME any more names like hypocrite, shill or others.

thanks - and ill let this one go.

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: irony at its best...

What words should we use to describe hypocritical shills?

by interestedbystander 2008-05-25 01:43AM | 0 recs
Re: you get away with your crap

calling KO a douche bag isn't an attack on a site user.  

by slynch 2008-05-24 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: you get away with your crap

Look, I love Keith Olbermann, and even I admit that he can be kind of a douche sometimes.  

I, for one, appreciate the respectful and thoughtful tone that the diarist consistently brings to the table.  Even though I disagree with her most of the time.  

by Bargeron 2008-05-25 07:07AM | 0 recs
For the Proletariat!

Commissar Canadian Gal, I am your humble prolerate policeman.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-24 07:56PM | 0 recs
pravda!

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:53PM | 0 recs
:o

..

by architek 2008-05-24 09:43PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

The problem is that sometimes I see people posting stuff that simply isn't borne of reality, but rather of extremely strong belief and hope.

If I see something idiotic, I'm going to say something.  If I see something I take to be dishonest, I will be less polite.

If, for example, a poster refused to acknowledge that Senator Clinton's claim of a popular vote lead prior to Oregon/Kentucky excluded four states, I would make noise about that.  That offended a poster or two.

Reality is, from time to time, an amalgamation of unpleasant truths.  Some people don't wanna hear it.  That's their choice, but speaking up is mine.

I agree, however, with the sentiment that we should strive to be honorable and respectful.  As I have said elsewhere, I try.  I occasionally fail.  Some of the things people say here frustrate the hell out of me.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-24 07:58PM | 0 recs
She has been winning since March 4th

Have you realized that?

Since March 4:

Hillary votes: 6,519,685
Obama votes: 6,007,744
Margin: Hillary +511,941

Hillary pledged delegates: 510
Obama pledged delegates: 495
Margin: Hillary +15 delegates

Hillary contests: 7 (OH, RI, TX, PA, IN, WV, KY)
Obama contests: 6 (VT, WY, MS, GU, NC, OR)

by architek 2008-05-24 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: She has been winning since March 4th

And before March 4, how many in a row did Obama win?  We don't get to count just the time frame we like.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-24 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: She has been winning since March 4th

Maybe we should only count the votes since March 4th then. That way Hillary can win. While we're at it why don't we just count the states that she won and ignore those that Obama won... that makes it simpler. Heck, why don't we just let NY decide the whole thing for everyone? Wouldn't that be nice?

by Mystylplx 2008-05-24 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: She has been winning since March 4th

You are cherry picking.  You are welcome to do that.

If only the primary/caucus season started on March fourth?  You'd be in great shape.

This isn't a battle for the popular vote.  This isn't a battle for momentum.  This isn't a battle for a hypothetically higher electoral vote count.  This isn't a battle for "best demographic."

This is a battle for delegates.  It has been since the start, and that's how it will end.  We could stand to fix certain aspects of how the party picks its nominee, but those changes will occur after this is done.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-24 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: She has been winning since March 4th

Look like the supers agree with you - she has won an overwhelming number of supers since March 4th, hasn't she?  No, really?  SHOUT LOUDER THEN.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-25 01:46AM | 0 recs
Re: She has been winning since March 4th

Don't confuse them with facts.

They do not care one bit that Hillary has a broad base of support.  They do not care that there is ample evidence within the popular vote totals that Hillary and her supporters should not be discarded like yesterday's old shoe.

Forceful praise of their candidate is all that matters: faint praise will not suffice, and support for any other Democrat is off limits.

Sadly, and I hate to state this, MyDD is becoming 'kos-lite'.

That's shameful.

by emsprater 2008-05-25 06:52AM | 0 recs
its not about censorship...

if people piss you off, take a deep breath and slap them with the substance of what they write, dont make it personal.

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: its not about censorship...

How does one do that when there is nothing of substance to critique?

by STUBALL 2008-05-25 12:01AM | 0 recs
Let's start with the foreigners. This is

American liberal politics.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-24 07:59PM | 0 recs
Please tell me whether you're joking,

so I can know whether to TR you.

by sricki 2008-05-24 08:01PM | 0 recs
I'm following her "should not be spared"

mantra.

Although a Niemoller reference would be appropriate here, I believe that would be violating Godwin's Law.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-24 08:02PM | 0 recs
you are clearly WAY smarter than i am...

because i have no idea what you just said.

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:16PM | 0 recs
Can we invade Canada then?

Who is Czechoslovakia going to be?

by grass 2008-05-24 09:57PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

Canadian Gal is absolutely right here, folks. Don't feed the trolls, please. They're going to come in looking to divide us, and the more you respond to them on either side, the more emboldened they get.

by ragekage 2008-05-24 08:00PM | 0 recs
For the Proletariat!

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-24 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: For the Proletariat!

Cool, do we get vodka?

by ragekage 2008-05-24 08:04PM | 0 recs
The Commissar says

we get VICTORY GIN!

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-24 08:06PM | 0 recs
rec

by ameridad 2008-05-24 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: The Commissar says

Good stuff!  Kinda burns going down, Winston.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-24 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: For the Proletariat!

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-24 08:09PM | 0 recs
Dude... that's a scary little bastard.

I'd freak out if one of my cats made that face.

(Your sig rules, btw.)

by sricki 2008-05-24 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude... that's a scary little bastard.

what you said!

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

Except for one point....

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a troll.  (Actually got called a troll tonight myself)

Are there actual trolls on this site...?  Sure, this one and many others... but there are also two candidates still vying for the nomination and ardent supporters on both sides.  All Obama supporters are not trolls nor are all Clinton supporters.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-24 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

What you said too, of course

by ragekage 2008-05-24 08:08PM | 0 recs
absolutely!

i was referring to the obvious ones like ilikebillnot and so forth.

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:09PM | 0 recs
Cat <3

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-24 08:11PM | 0 recs
Now that is one mean looking DUDE!!!!!!!

by Sandy1938 2008-05-24 09:10PM | 0 recs
Probably a little harsh. But

NOTE:  IMO clear cut freepers and trolls, and we all know who they are - should not be spared!
gets reactions like that.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-24 08:01PM | 0 recs
Okay, good points.

Can I get a pass for the person I just called a racist GOP troll? 'Cause, you know, I did it before you put up this diary. And it was sort of a joke. And s/he did sound kinda racist.

But I'll try to do better. I reserve the right to say whatever I please to people like ilikebillnot, though.

by sricki 2008-05-24 08:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Okay, good points.

Go right ahead, we'll fire away at "labanman" and his "Democrat party" posts. Sound good?

by ragekage 2008-05-24 08:05PM | 0 recs
1 pass to sricki.

and really the point is you can challenge the substance of their comments - but not them.

and ilikebillnot and his likes are not exempt!

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

I must admit I'm absolutely amazed how fast  the comments on this site degenerate and escalate with each one getting slightly worse.

This Primary has gone on so long that peoples positions have become so hardened that even a reasonable diary or comment gets taken for some affront.

So while I hope your diary has some effect I fear passions are so high and nerves so close to the surface that it may take some time.

by jsfox 2008-05-24 08:15PM | 0 recs
Someone called me a right-winger

... because I used the term "straight talk."  I "exposed" the truth of who I really was.

Um, the term was used long before McCain started using it.  All my comments are pro-Democratic Party and I have little to nothing good to say about those Republicans in power now.

I'm a HRC supporter, but in reality, I AM for  GORE!  No way could I ever be considered a right-winger.  

by Southern Mouth 2008-05-24 08:31PM | 0 recs
No fair!!!

I'm powerless:(

by hootie4170 2008-05-24 09:10PM | 0 recs
Why if they are trolls?

It's fun to laugh at the trolls.

I saw you troll rate in another diary somebody who called out

latin fighter for writing a troll diary?

I mean, in these obvious intstances, what to do?

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-24 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Why if they are trolls?

no. he made a personal attack:

"This troller couldn't even get his doomsday scary sentences to make any sense."

and i will defend you in the same way spacey!

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 09:37PM | 0 recs
Ok.

Your extremely cool canada. : )

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-24 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

I'm sorry, but I have to think you're one of the worst on this site. Awfully ironic.

by apolitik 2008-05-24 09:58PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

don't ruin it wait for the brown shirts

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-24 10:04PM | 0 recs
its you! dedicated to hillarywillwin.

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 10:18PM | 0 recs
Re: its you! dedicated to hillarywillwin.

Remember when Texasdarlin and linfar got banned it was all about we need them on the site because it is freedom of speech. I guess only one group counts as freedom of speech now.

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-24 10:24PM | 0 recs
i have no idea what you are talking about...

and against my better judgement i will answer your comment - i protect anyone's right to state their opinion (even if i dont agree with it) as long as they are following the site rules and do not attack other users and are NOT obvious trolls.  say for example - someone that creates a username that is clearly meant to inflame people and/or write diaries or comments that do the same.  at a loss for who im referring to hillarywillwin?  

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 10:30PM | 0 recs
Re: i have no idea what you are talking about...

Who decides what is a troll? Will anyone who agrees with Obama be a troll? Is it just you who decides? You do understand this is what ran alegre off of dailykos don't you? This is what you want to become?

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-24 10:35PM | 0 recs
dude.

your fellow obama supporters call you a troll...

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 10:41PM | 0 recs
Re: dude.

yet Obama supporters at Dailykos called her a troll does that make it right? How many disappeared that were called trolls who were Clinton supporters? Do you want to turn Mydd into what made dailykos what it was? All Alegre supporters were declared trolls by a group and ran off is that again what you really want to become?

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-24 10:45PM | 0 recs
really...

care to elaborate?  

like possibly providing a link to back up what you are saying?  maybe the user below to which the last sentence of the diary is intended can?

by canadian gal 2008-05-24 10:10PM | 0 recs
Re: really...

when you tell others to police others that is well wrong you wish to become what you claim ran people off from dailykos.

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-24 10:29PM | 0 recs
Please.

You don't even know what you are talking about!

The Clinton bloggers left the big orange blog whose name we dare not speak because of the abusive language directed at us and our candidate.  The profanity, the vulgar comments, the horrible things written about Hillary.

That is far different from attacking trolls who come here to stir up trouble.

by psychodrew 2008-05-24 11:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Please.

not to mention the troll rating abuse and among many other things. You left because you saw them GANGING UP ON YOU. You left because a mob declared that Hillary would not be allowed there. If you do this then you become that mob on this site. You become the ones that did that only under a different name. You become everything you claim that you hate only worst because you have something in the back saying they did it to us. Are you willing to become everything you claim that is wrong with that site?

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-24 11:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Please.

Where is anyone saying you can't post about Hillary?  This is about MyDD rules.

This is a site for electing Democrats and I will personally fight to keep it that way. This will not be an echo chamber...for either canidate.

by Massadonious 2008-05-25 12:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Please.

but who decides who is a troll? Which group gets to make the majority rule of who is correct in posting what? What subjects are now off limits because one side doesn't agree with them? You see the problem here is people tend to be corrupted. While you think that you are doing good in fact you tend to restrict. The question is based on what happen at dailykos how long till it happens in the reverse? How many people will dissappear soon who are innocent just because of one person judgement call?

If you are trying to declare someone a troll doesn't that mean you are calling out a person by name which has been a no no rule? So by doing this you will soon be breaking the rules only you see it as not breaking the rules who gave one the right to decide that? What rules are reasonable to break in the name of calling another a troll?

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-25 12:15AM | 0 recs
Wrong again.

I'll let Alegre explain why we left:

I've been posting at DailyKos for nearly 4 years now and started writing diaries in support of Hillary Clinton back in June of last year.  Over the past few months I've noticed that things have become progressively more abusive toward my candidate and her supporters.

I've put up with the abuse and anger because I've always believed in what our on-line community has tried to accomplish in this world.  No more.  DailyKos is not the site it once was thanks to the abusive nature of certain members of our community.  

I've decided to go on "strike" and will refrain from posting here as long as the administrators allow the more disruptive members of our community to trash Hillary Clinton and distort her record without any fear of consequence or retribution.  I will not be posting at DailyKos effective immediately.  I will not help drive up traffic or page-hits as long as my candidate - a good and fine DEMOCRAT - is attacked in such a horrid and sexist manner not only by other diarists, but by several of those posting to the front page.

<snip>

Sadly, the majority of the administrators have allowed this hostile environment to develop in our online community for anyone who isn't planted firmly in the Obama camp.  They've routinely ignored personal attacks and allowed disruptive, spam-like posts to go unchecked whenever anyone expresses support for Hillary or challenges something their candidate has said or done.  There are however several front-pagers who have managed to avoid taking part in the attacks on Hillary and for that I'm grateful.  But the site has grown to the point where they simply can't - or won't monitor it.  

As a result, our community has become little more than an echo chamber with an attitude that harkens back to the early days of Dubbya's administration - yer either with us or yer a'gin us, heh!  The attackers and disrupters are no better than Chris Matthews with their sexism, hate, lies, and obsession with bashing - all - things - Hillary.

No, I won't post specific attacks here. That would just be repeating the lies and the hate, but I will note that one of my fellow Kossaks (someone with whom I thought I could agree to disagree) went so far as to suggest that others try to dig up real life information on the pro-Hillary members of our community.  To what end?  Was his aim to find enough information on us to try to get us fired from our jobs and leave our families homeless - or worse?  Suggesting that they dig up real life information on us is the lowest form of intimidation and goes way beyond the limits of all things civil and reasonable.  It's nothing more than the worst form of thuggish, hateful and intimidating behavior toward other members of our community.

There is a big difference to how the Hillary bloggers were treated at the big orange blog whose name we dare not speak and running of trolls who come to MyDD to stir up trouble.  This is an open forum where Republicans can sign up just to post inflammatory diaries and comments.

by psychodrew 2008-05-25 12:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong again.

yet how many Obama supporters are viewed as Trolls. Isn't it interesting on who gets to decide what is allowed and isn't. The thing is you aren't willing to face that anyone can be called a troll. What is to stop someone from calling you a troll? If someone does would they be allowed to tell others that you are a troll and to avoid any post? Are you willing to face others? Who gets to truly decide in the end? Answer me that.

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-25 12:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong again.

We all decide.  And we arrive at independent judgments.  All of us, Obama and Clinton supporters alike have been looking at people who joined recently, people with inflammatory names like "Hillarywillwin" and immediately began posting inflammatory diaries meant to get people angry.

That accusation isn't based on which candidate is being supported.  I've seen Obama supporters go after trolls making anti-Hillary statements and I've seen Hillary supporters go after trolls making anti-Obama statements.  Most of the people who criticized your last diary were Hillary supporters.

by psychodrew 2008-05-25 02:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong again.

Will NoObama be considered as one to?

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-25 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: A plea to the MyDD community for sanity.

Good diary, I know I appreciated the reminder.

by Djo 2008-05-25 01:25AM | 0 recs

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