Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCain links)

So Hillary ran a great race and is a great democrat.  Many think that we should help her get out of debt and I totally agree.

Lets make sure she can go back to the senate debt free!!!!  It would be a great show of unity if all democrats, yes even you Obama supporters, donated to her campaign.

Here are the options:

1. Donate to Hillary online at the Hillary Clinton For President campaign website.

2. Mail checks to HRC's presidential campaign finance office in New York:

Hillary Clinton For President

420 Lexington Avenue, Suite 3030

New York, New York 10170

3. Purchase merchandise from the Hillary Store. There are still some selections of shirts, stickers, hats, signs, buttons, lapel pins, and accessories.

Update: Some text (now in blockquotes) sited from Grlpatriots diary. Thank you for doing the hard work to find out how we can donate to help Hillary.

Update 2: Wow. Top of the rec list. Thanks everyone. Now go donate. I sent $25. I am a grad student so that is actually real money. It was send HRC $ or see Get Smart this weekend. Sorry Steve Carrell.

Tags: clinton, Debt, Fundraising, HELP, Hillary (all tags)



Rec it Up

Lets get this to the top and then get Hillary out of debt!!

by CAchemist 2008-06-18 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Rec it Up

Rec'ed ;)

by grlpatriot 2008-06-18 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Rec it Up



Delete this user.

Being agnostic on the dem nominee is one thing.

Advocating for folks to join the NOBAMA club is not welcome on this site. At least I hope it's not...

by Lance Bryce 2008-06-18 11:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Rec it Up

Her posts actually do double-damage: they advocate for McCain, and because of her original post asking people to bail out Hillary Clinton, there are people in both threads who won't do it, because now helping out one of the Democratic candidates is tainted by the fact that she's pro-McCain.

Which is the entire point.

by Jess81 2008-06-19 04:57AM | 0 recs
I admire your dignified pleas for party unity

but I'm afraid they will fall on deaf ears.  The Obama haters (of which grlpatriot is one) will not concede nothing for the sake of party unity while asking something of us regardless.  

In fact the site where grlpatriot crossposted her (ahem) unity diary is Allegre's own haven for hatred, where she calls for the overthrow of our nominee in Denver.

So although I posted this downthread and you made a good point about the need to payback small vendors - I think I should remind everyone who gets most of it.

Of the approximate $10,000,000 currently owed to vendors - $5,843,227.21 is the debt owed to political,legal and polling consultants.  

$4,825,911.61 alone is owed Penns firm.  

Here is the current, updated list directly from the FEC site. It's an interesting read. orms/C00431569/341172/sd/12

by Tenafly Viper 2008-06-19 12:54AM | 0 recs
by Tenafly Viper 2008-06-19 12:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Great diary. I've already donate to help her out and will do so again.


by spacemanspiff 2008-06-18 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I really think everyone should help out and many more probably would if it were sold the right way.

Thanks for helping.

by CAchemist 2008-06-18 01:06PM | 0 recs
Now here's a diary I'll rec.

Democrats helping Democrats while coming together for November. That's what this site's about.

by Firewall 2008-06-18 01:05PM | 0 recs
I have recced you

But I would suggest one change:

add a link to the diary that you objected to (the one with the McCain links)

by SevenStrings 2008-06-18 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I have recced you

done.  I also put her investigative work in block quotes and gave her credit.

by CAchemist 2008-06-18 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: $$$$

you get a rec from me just for being pro-active enough to cut/paste it from that other one.

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-18 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt

Damn Skippy!

Great Diary!

Highly Rec'd!

Donation Made!

Some people just know how to ask!

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-06-18 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out

You may recall I wrote a diary about my own donation and my plea for others to do so.

Copycat, :)

Good cause.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-18 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out

Missed your diary.  I will track it down and give it a read.  

Thanks for pushing for the cause.

by CAchemist 2008-06-18 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Thanks for reporting this without all the divisive crap that was in the original entry by Alegre... errr. I mean glbr"patriot"

by John in Chicago 2008-06-18 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Its a good cause that needs to be addressed. Hopefully we can skip the divisiveness and then the flame wars in this diary and actually help HRC.

by CAchemist 2008-06-18 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I don't dislike Clinton, although I favored Obama. But even if the situation was reversed, I can't imagine how giving money to a multimillionaire could possibly be the best use of my money.

Clinton's assets far outweigh her debts. If she was actually going to suffer financial hardship because of these debts then I could definitely see why you'd want to be making donations. But this isn't the case, she's got many tens of millions in personal wealth still.

by vinc 2008-06-18 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

A couple of rebuttals.

1.  Campaign finance is tricky.  Hillary is personally in debt about 10 mil, but Hillary the organization is in debt another 10.  The organizational debt will never come out of HRCs pocket and only hurts the vendors that helped throughout the race.  While some money goes to the big evil Penn, the majority is going to bakers, sign makers, hotels, etc.  

2.  It is also an act of unity.  The democratic party needs to come back together and this is a nice olive branch from one side to the other.

by CAchemist 2008-06-18 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I agree that paying vendors is a very worthy cause and helps the reputation of the Democratic party. But do we know where contributions will go? Do we have assurances that she won't retire her personal debt and her debt to Mark Penn first and leave the vendors for last? (This is a real question... I genuinely don't know the answer and there could very well be some prominent thing on her website that I'm not aware of.)

This might sound like a bit of a slur on Clinton's honor but it's not intended to be... I'd be asking these kinds of questions if I was loaning money to a friend, too.

by vinc 2008-06-18 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

That's part of the reason I balk at this. As another chemistry (well, biochemistry) graduate student, I don't want to give money to Mark Penn or, to be honest, Hillary herself. They've both made more money than I'll make in my lifetime.

All the little people? Sure, that's a little different, though I can't tell if the campaign debt to those people is that significant since I can't find exact quotes on how much is still owed to herself, to Penn and to the public at large.

by TCQuad 2008-06-18 06:59PM | 0 recs
A listing of all vendors who Hillary owes,

Of the approximate $10,000,000 currently owed to vendors - $5,843,227.21 is the debt owed to political,legal and polling consultants.  

$4,825,911.61 alone is owed Penns firm.  

Here is the current, updated list directly from the FEC site. It's an interesting read. orms/C00431569/341172/sd/12

by Tenafly Viper 2008-06-19 12:44AM | 0 recs
Partial answer

Under McCain-Feingold, all but $250,000 of the money loaned from a candidate to the campaign can't be paid back after the election.  In this case the "election" would appear to be the Democratic convention.  Contributions after that time might still go to Mark Penn, but they won't go to Senator Clinton's personal funds.

by CA Pol Junkie 2008-06-19 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I think the little people will be taken care of first. I think Hillary has the money to take care of those little people. If they dont get taken care of, then the little people can consider what they done volunteer work like the many volunteers in  a typical political campaign. A lot of volunteers have sacrificed their time too.

I think vendors have their bills paid first. I really want to see Mark Penn not get paid a single extra dollar.

by Pravin 2008-06-18 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

You state: "If they dont get taken care of, then the little people can consider what they done volunteer work like the many volunteers in  a typical political campaign. A lot of volunteers have sacrificed their time too."

I've got news for you.  The vendors are not volunteers.  They're trying to make a living.  And if Hillary doesn't make good on her obligations, she's a crook.  

by reconad 2008-06-18 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Well in that case, I am sure Hillary has enough money to pay those "little people". No need for other ordinary folk to pay Hillary to pay them.

ONE HUNDRED MILLION. OK, that's quite a bit.

by Pravin 2008-06-19 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I agree that while a few of her debts are owed to local businesses and public schools, Hillary Clinton rolls rather corporate and where there was a corporate alternative most of the time she went with that.

Her consulting fees: $5,843,227.21
Her fees to corporations, large colleges, major hotel chains and large media ad buys exceeds $3,200,000. (only included in my estimate were businesses I was certain wouldn't be impacted by debt)
The total for this number is 9,043,227.21

Which means 437,664.79 is the approximate number owed to small businesses and public schools.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-06-19 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Here's the problem

It's not Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea who are going to suffer.  It's the vendors.  It's the low-wage hotel workers.  These are the people to whom the debt is owed, and cannot take more risks until the Clinton campaign pays them.

by Brad G 2008-06-18 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's the problem

can't she make another 10 mil "loan" to her campaign to pay these people?  that's a lot of money, but we're talking about a family that's worth nearly 10 times that amount and is looking to continue that pace of income generation for as far as the eye can see.

by the mollusk 2008-06-18 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's the problem

Well then why don't Bill and Hillary take responsibility & pay their thandebts? /snark

Really, there are more needy people and worthy causes than multimillionaires.

The same amount of money could save thousands of lives. It is more important to protect the Clintons from ever flying commercial?

by wrb 2008-06-18 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Well

Hillary Clinton just cancelled a large furniture order from Pottery Barn.

I think Hillary knows if she uses her and Bill's joint checking account, everyone is going to question Bill's business dealings in her next run for public office.  If she doesn't pay off the debt, then at least for her Senate reelection race -- since she has an incredibly high probability of being reelected -- vendors, hotels, etc. won't demand cash upfront, and she probably won't have to reveal much on Bill's business dealings.

by Brad G 2008-06-18 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's the problem

It will be against the law if low wage hotel workers dont get paid unless they 1099ed them. I would assume that the companies hiring those workers might suffer a bit, but any company that doesnt demand upfront payment from a campaign in financial trouble needs to have a backup plan,.

by Pravin 2008-06-18 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Agreed.  This is a repulsive upward transfer of wealth.  Don't do it unless you're worth more than $100 million.

by username 2008-06-18 07:28PM | 0 recs
Help Hillary

I've been contributing about 80 a month (a ton of money on my very tiny income) to Obama since January.  This month I contributed the same amount to Hillary's campaign debt.

I don't, however, think any link to McCain fundraising belongs on this site in any form.  It seems completely inappropriate...there are plenty of ways of donating to her without witnessing McCain shilling.

And, maybe since the link is now there, you might want to change the title.

by mady 2008-06-18 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I really don't think spending my tiny income to help out a multimillionaire is a good use of resources.  I don't envy her situation, but ultimately she made the decision to spend money that she didn't have.

by the mollusk 2008-06-18 01:53PM | 0 recs

I'll give her $20 for being a great Democrat.  But I do dislike the practice of spending money that one doesn't have, and this campaign made a bad habit of it.  But not Clinton's fault, for the most part, so $20 it is.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-18 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Ch-ching

I bet you have a credit card....or a mortgage..

by Jaz 2008-06-18 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Ch-ching

Bet again.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-18 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Ch-ching

Hit post too soon- would add that back when I did have a credit card, I damn sure never put $10 million onto it.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-18 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Ch-ching

A ten million credit limit, man if I had that card everyone would be like "Where did he go"


my favorite PSA for responsible debt:

Every politician should check the site before forming the exploratory.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-18 02:17PM | 0 recs
Good idea.

And for those who are complaining:

If you want to give, go for it.

If you don't want to give, don't.

It's that simple.

by Bush Bites 2008-06-18 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Good idea.

It really is that simple.

by grlpatriot 2008-06-18 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Good idea.

We are complaining because we want to let people know that it is OK not to donate. I think middle class folk should not feel guilty to donate money in these tough time just because they support a candidate. Hell, I didnt even bother donating to Obama because his campaign had plenty of money. I will save my donations to a down ticket person who is not running a lavish campaign.

by Pravin 2008-06-18 05:07PM | 0 recs

....the "millions" of PUMA voters show support to the Democratic party, I'll pitch in to help Hillary.

by sedagive 2008-06-18 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: When....

That's cute (seriously, I almost mojo'd it), but the pumas have nothing to do with the Democratic party or Hillary Clinton; don't blame either of them for a bunch of larouchite jackasses.

But, just on a practical level, people like grlpatriot out to understand that if they're associated with trying to get Hillary Clinton out of debt, it's going to make people less likely to do it.

by Jess81 2008-06-18 10:52PM | 0 recs
Thank goodness

Thank you very much for posting this.

by vcalzone 2008-06-18 02:09PM | 0 recs
Logic and Reason

Why are we turning this idea into an emotional movement.

Grlpatriot put up a post meant to promote groups set to help McCain win, so to counter that someone else reposts this without those links.

Hillary HAS NOT asked anyone to donate to her debt.

What makes you think she wants it?

Maybe she has some pride and is willing to use her OWN money to pay the debt HER campaign amassed.

She has gotten enough heat for having the highest post campaign debt in history, you guys want to give her more shit by reinforcing that.

You can assume I am being fecicious or snarky, I am not, I am being dead serious.

If I screwed up and made a mistake willingly the last thing I would want is my friends to bail me out when I am already capable of bailing myself out.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-18 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Logic and Reason

are you being fecicious or snarky?

by alyssa chaos 2008-06-18 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Logic and Reason

Very funny, but thats not nice.  In the world of blogs we tend to frame our opinions as being greater than our own, or that of someone elses.

So the opinion I espooused there was my own, and from all honesty.  
It is not swayed by emotions I felt during the now over campaign at all.  I said the same thing now as I did then.

And again, I encourage you folks to wait for Hillary or her former surrogates and even Obama and the DNC.

I doubt that Hillary is counting on donations to make 10 million dissapear, and I doubt she is waiting around hoping for a solution to hit her.

So give the former candidate some respect and let her make her own decisions.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-18 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Logic and Reason

Hillary Clinton very much has asked people to do it.  Emails to her supporters still have links to donate to her campaign, which is going into debt relief now.

by Jess81 2008-06-18 10:53PM | 0 recs
I will not be donating

Perhaps if there was a pledge that vendors would be paid first, high price consultants second and the Clintons last, I might donate a small amount.  I don't think paying off the campaign debts has anything to do with "unity", especially since they are the direct result of a campaign whose continuation past financial and electoral viability is the cause of the (hugely exaggerated) "disunity" IMO.  That doesn't mean the vendors the campaign has screwed deserve to be left out in the cold though.

Nevertheless, my money would be better suited, IMO, to helping Obama, helping the DNC and helping Senatorial races.  The HRC campaign failed and the debt is entirely the fault of that campaign.  The Clintons have the financial resources to pay off that debt and I have little doubt that there will be further financial windfalls as a result of this race (in terms of new books and speaking appearances).  

Given the choice between the Clintons paying their own debt out of pocket or Allen, Begich, Franken, Hagan and Merkley getting $4 million dollars each less, the better choice is clear.

by PantsB 2008-06-18 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt

Thank you for posting this diary. I chipped in a few bucks and just to be fair, I also donated to Barack Obama!!

by skohayes 2008-06-18 02:34PM | 0 recs

Not one dime from me to pay off Jabba the Penn.

Let the Clintons sell some books and hit the lecture circuit.

by Freespeechzone 2008-06-18 02:42PM | 0 recs
sorry, can't

We can barely afford cost of living right now... can't even donate to the WINNER, let alone runner-up (I refuse to call Hillary a loser- she ran a fantastic race.)

by IndianaMommy 2008-06-18 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

while i refuse to give her money to pay down her debt (dude, they have hundreds of millions of dollars), i will rec the diary.

by pholkhero 2008-06-18 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt

I've got a huge jar full of pennies I think I'll ship off tonight.  It'll probably amount to around $15 or so, after all the Canadian pennies have been picked out.

Will they send me a donation receipt?

by OVAH 2008-06-18 04:18PM | 0 recs
I cannot. Will not. Sorry.

I will not pay for a campaign that went on beyond its usefulness.  I will not pay for debts of the 3am ad and Mark Penn's big tab.  I will not pay for mailers that went out distorting Obama's record.  I will not pay for ads painting Obama as an elitist.  I will not pay for Hillary Clinton's  travel around the country on the funds of children's bicycles claiming the rules she agreed to at the start of the race should have been changed mid-course.

I'm glad that Hillary's issues will have an advocate in Barack Obama.  But I'm sorry.  Hillary Clinton amassed this debt on her own accord.  I did not support the way it was spent, and I will not send the message that one can run this way and then simply have their debts erased when it's over.

I'm all for unity, but this Obama supporter intends to stand by his vow to not put a penny towards repaying the loans of an awful campaign.

by Pragmatic Left 2008-06-18 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I cannot. Will not. Sorry.

That's certainly your choice.  Many others will help Senator Clinton's campaign, because they admired and appreciated her campaign.

by TinaH1963 2008-06-21 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I cannot. Will not. Sorry.

Thanks for respecting that.  I would be surprised if she raised $1m since conceding, but if you feel it's important to bail out millionaires who were financially reckless, that's certainly your choice.

by Pragmatic Left 2008-06-23 07:28PM | 0 recs
Donations more helpful elsewhere (sorry)

I hate to say this, but I think the $$$ could be better used to help Democrats still running, especially downticket. Better, donate to the Red Cross or others who are helping those in Iowa.

I'm not saying this out of hostility to Hillary and I would say the same thing about Barack if it was his campaign in debt. Fact is, they chose to spend that money, and the Clintons are multimillionaires. Bill alone could make up most of it in speaking fees in a year.

Donate instead to the DNC or the Red Cross.

by mikeinsf 2008-06-18 04:59PM | 0 recs
Excellent point re: Iowa

I mentioned downticket races but you're absolutely right about Iowa and what will likely be occurring downriver soon.  

by PantsB 2008-06-18 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I am all for giving Hillary some plum assignments during an Obama presidency.  But I don't think in a country where common folk need our help, we need to donate to a family worth 100M in assets and a campaign which , if it gets donations, will have to pay Mark Penn a lot of money owed to him, I am comfortable with people donating their hard earned money.

It's your choice. But I feel we are better off as progressives donating to some charity or directly to some poor people.

by Pravin 2008-06-18 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

They paid $40 million (of the $100 million) in taxes, and donated another $10 million.  It would be nice if people stopped acting like they're hoarding money.  They wrote books (just like Obama) and Pres. Clinton gave speeches.  Nothing they did was shameful.

by TinaH1963 2008-06-19 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Did I say it was shameful? All i said that if I had 100M and some middle class folk depended on money from the campaign, I would cover it with my own wealth  because I still would have 60M-80M left over after everything is said and done. And don't forget the Clintons will be earning nmillions more in the years to come. SAYING THAT CLINTONS DONT NEED OUR HELP IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING WHAT THEY EARNED IS CROOKED MONEY.

by Pravin 2008-06-19 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

They don't have $100 million; they paid about $40 million in tazes, and donated $10 million to charities. I realize that still looks like a lot of zeroes, but self-financing campaigns is a bad idea--as I see it, she ran for us, and those who supported her can help her now. Senator Clinton has specifically not asked for help in retiring the personal loan she gave the campaign, and said that her priority was paying off the vendors to her campaign.  She's also urged her top fundraisers to work with Senator Obama's campaign.  I just feel that too many are willing to use her fundraising apparatus and leave her to twist in the wind.

by TinaH1963 2008-06-21 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

They will be back to 100M in a few years. And yes, she will still have enough money to pay off the vendors and still have enough assets for her great great great grandchildren to inherit.

by Pravin 2008-06-22 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Rec'd for redoing this with out the shitty links, but Mark Penn isn't getting any of this college student/unpaid intern's money.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-18 05:40PM | 0 recs
Tit for tat with the people who

"cannot, will not".

I'm picking up their share, with a regular monthly donation through November.

They can pick up my share for Obama.

by aggieric 2008-06-18 05:55PM | 0 recs
We get it...

I've been a strong Obama supporter for a while, but I think some of the other Obama people are being a bit rude here.  If you don't want to donate, then don't.

It feels like you're kicking Hillary when she's down, and there's no need for that.

by ScienceTeacher118 2008-06-18 08:10PM | 0 recs
Re: We get it...

A suggestion from a Hillary supporter to us to help pay off her debts in the name of unity isn't a case of Obama supporters kicking Hillary when she's down. You ask me, it's a case of Hillary supporters still not getting this "unity" concept, but that's just my own take.

I am well aware of the fact that some Obama supporters are kicking her. But what's happening in this diary isn't it.

by Jaffee 2008-06-19 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: We get it...

Poor Hillary.  She stayed in the race longer than her campaign could afford and now she and Bill will each have to write another book to pay off the debt.   The horror!

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-19 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: We get it...

The primary season is over - why can't you let your Hillary Hatred go?  In case you forget, we're going to need the votes of Clinton supporters to win in November.  Do you really think that continuing to trash Hillary is going to help win them over?  

by Peter H 2008-06-19 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: We get it...

Being annoyed with requests of money for a campaign financially ill-managed while still-running Democrats need lots of support is not the same as "hatred."

Being annoyed with the prospect that the Clintons are extremely wealthy and still have not paid their small vendors is not "hatred."

For some people, asking them for money to pay Mark Penn when they themselves can't pay the bills is a tough sell, is all.

Also, the suggestion that Clinton supporters need to have their votes 'bought' by the Obama supporters seems pretty messed up. The ones who support Democratic principles will vote Democratic. The ones who don't, wont, and wouldn't have.

by rhetoricus 2008-06-19 08:33AM | 0 recs
I will donate $15

for finally doing the right thing.

I can use that money a helluva lot more than her campaign can, but   donating that money represents unity for me.  It's time we all move past the primary wars.  And I want those small business vendors to get their invoices paid.  I think I'll write a restriction on my donation (if that's allowed) that in no way can this money pay for any debt owed to Mark Penn.  I loathe that guy.

by The Distillery 2008-06-18 09:45PM | 0 recs
No thanks

She should have left the race before she went into debt. I won't reward that behavior.  

Thanks for posting this diary, though.  If Grlpatriots isn't banned for posting McCain links then MyDD has truly lost its way.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-19 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I'm not giving a penny to that hard working white woman Hillary Clinton. I want my money to go to the future, not to bury the past.

by AuthorEditor 2008-06-19 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Uprated because this post isn't a troll.  It may be a bit rude but that isn't held against most people here.

by SpanishFly 2008-06-19 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

Thank you for uprating. I do think it is important to move on and think about supporting our candidate rather than worrying about debts from the primary.

by AuthorEditor 2008-06-19 11:29AM | 0 recs
I'm confused.

The small vendors STILL haven't been paid??? From a family worth well over a hundred million dollars? Why don't they pay the vendors themselves and stiff Mark Penn?

People should be sending money to down-ticket Democrats, and to the DNC in general. The Clintons ain't hurting one bit.

by rhetoricus 2008-06-19 08:28AM | 0 recs
I won't be joining you

You shouldn't have linked to Grlpatriots' slime.  It really turned me (and many others) off.

Also, I understand your cause and you've asked very nicely.  But I'd like to offer a few thoughts to challenge your request.

1.)  Bill and Hillary Clinton are wealthy.  If they don't pay off this debt with political contributions, they'll have to pay it off themselves.  So?  With $100 million in the bank I think they can afford the write-off.

2.)  Donations to Obama look toward the future.  We need to do everything in our power to make certain he's elected.  This diverts funds and energy to a non-productive place.

3.)  There are ways for large contributors to assist the Clinton campaign.  This isn't the job of small donors.  Obama can make joint appearances with Hillary, asking for $10,000 a plate, giving half the funds to the Clinton campaign.  I believe this is already part of the plan.

4.)  There are still far too many Clinton dead-enders here, spewing Obama hate all over this web site with impunity.  He's our candidate.  To the winner go the spoils.  Until such time as this site cleans up the mess they created by allowing this to go on for far too long, in fact actually egging it on, I can't take any request by a Hillary supporter at face value.  I'm sorry, that's just the way I feel.  I wonder about ulterior motives.  When you link to another post that directly supports McCain, it taints you.

I wish you all the best and hope Hillary has a long and illustrious run as the NY Senator.  She was my second favorite candidate in the primary.  The dirty pool played here shouldn't be associated with her but, I'm afraid, for me, it is.

by SpanishFly 2008-06-19 08:35AM | 0 recs

While I do not agree with paying down her campaign debt, I do greatly appreciate you posting a version of the diary without the Republican talking points.

by Dreorg 2008-06-19 08:58AM | 0 recs
I'm sorry

but I think that progressives' dollars would be well spent in other areas. Barack, our nominee comes to mind first but have we forgotten about all the tornadoes and floods that have ravaged communities in the midwest? Kansas State University alone suffered 20 million dollars worth of damage.

It's also kind of offensive that she is even ASKING for money to help settle debts incurred from her mismanagement.

by april34fff 2008-06-19 10:22AM | 0 recs
Hillary isn't asking

but I am. If you don't want to donate you don't have to.

by grlpatriot 2008-06-19 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Help Hillary Get Out of Debt (Now without McCa

I realize this might not be the popular thing to say, but im not donating to hillary. Not when theres  real charities that need help to just causes. Hillary is not poor, hillary is not anywhere near having real money problems. That campaign has to own up to how they poorly managed their finances, and drove their debt through the roof by ignoring the numbers. and when she calls on the working class to bail her out, it sickens me. Hillarys not going to be hungry tonight. Hillarys going to write a book and make another 5 million without flinching. Hell no im not donating to her.

by zavlin 2008-06-19 03:00PM | 0 recs


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