Voting for Obama, Finally

I had a strange dream on Saturday night.  It was Election Day and Obama was losing because of an unexpected "hate" vote turnout in Virginia, Ohio, and other places.  Rather than gloating against the DNC a la, "well that's what they get for being so stupid," I felt very sad.  When I woke up, I was asked if I had been crying.  It was a very vivid dream and I remember feeling this awful pit in my heart and wishing something could be done to make us win the election.  I think subliminally it was also a throwback to Election 2004 when I felt so devastated by these unequivocal rejections from states and counties I thought we would have won.  

As diehard Hillary supporter, even long after I accepted her defeat, my distrust of Obama and fierce dislike of the way the party leaders handled the primary stayed with me.  I felt I could not bring myself to endorse such a slight and I'm still not happy I was seemingly taken for granted and told to "get over it" etc.  

Still, there's nothing I can do to rectify what was done except to not watch MSNBC again.  People in positions of power make callous and narcissistic decisions every day, and "punishing" Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, and Nancy Pelosi is going to be a completely trivial/irrelevant concern as life moves onto bigger things.  In fact, it's rather pointless even now.

A few weeks ago I decided I would probably vote for Obama, but I kept it private.  It was purely cerebral.  A balanced (or even more left leaning) judiciary and more Democratic idealism in the Oval Office benefits the world, regardless of whether or not I have a personal affinity for the person implementing it.  

I had no emotional connection to the presidency until this dream I had though.  I really don't want a 2004 repeat.  Back then, I was living in one of the biggest cities and sort of condescended towards rural people as "stupid" and "prejudiced" etc.  So I hated seeing county returns from outside of the cities.  Now I live in a mid-sized city and after supporting Hillary it was like being "against" the urban "elite" and academic leftist know-it-alls... a group to which I always belonged (and still do technically).  I was politically against urban voters, young voters, AA voters, educated suburbanites... talk about a world turned upside down.  My whole life I was instead politically  against Evangelicals, haters, NASCAR voters (ugh Bush), and so forth.  What an inversion of reality.

But now that's all over.  

I told my sister, also an ardent Hillary supporter, in a whisper that I was going to vote for Obama.  She said she is too.  I think my mother is also, even though we all ragged on him constantly during the primary.

Forgive the casual tone in the writing here if it's a bother.      

I really hope we win now and look forward to an administration stacked with partisans of the RIGHT kind (Dem, of course) and am glad for the barriers we've broken (much sooner than I would expect) and will continue to break.

The only caveat is that if John McCain wins, I will be very sad again and may take my anger out on the DNC.  rawr


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Re: Voting for Obama, Finally

Welcome aboard! If Obama wins, I would advocate Hillary for Supreme Court.

by RandyMI 2008-10-13 06:46PM | 0 recs
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Me too.  I always thought that's why she wasn't considered as VP.  I never voiced that since at the time I was criticizing Obama harshly, but I always thought there may have been a cleverness behind the strategy.  

by BPK80 2008-10-13 06:53PM | 0 recs
don't we need her as a senator from NY

... what with NYC heading into a recession, the whole state could use her touch!

by RisingTide 2008-10-14 03:43AM | 0 recs
Re: don't we need her as a senator from NY

I don't know... That's so subjective!  

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:34PM | 0 recs
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As long as she's in good health, I think she'd be one of the top choices.

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-14 05:24AM | 0 recs
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you have to be a judge. that is what the harriet myers thing showed.

by whothere 2008-10-14 07:09AM | 0 recs
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No, the Harriet Miers thing showed that you have to be competent; it wasn't so long ago when SCOTUS nominees were distinguished people from all branches of government.  Let's not compare Hillary Clinton, whose distinguished career and legal mind more than prepares her for a seat on the Supreme Court, with Harriet Miers.

by mistersite 2008-10-14 07:17AM | 0 recs
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That was part of it but a lot of it was about her not being a judge. There hasn't been a non-judge appointed in decades and there is a reason for that. Clinton hasn't even acted as a lawyer in like 16 years!

by whothere 2008-10-14 07:22AM | 0 recs
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16 years isn't that long, considering these are lifetime appointments.  Judges don't even have to be attorneys in many places.  So it doesn't figure that to be a judge is a requirement.

by Scotch 2008-10-14 04:33PM | 0 recs
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IIRC, many Supreme Court justices, including John Marshall, Earl Warren, and William Rehnquist, were never judges before serving on the Court.  I imagine that it helps to be a lawyer, though.

by Captain Bathrobe 2008-10-15 04:53PM | 0 recs
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Except she has no interest in that job. n_el_pr/clinton_s_future_3

by LakersFan 2008-10-14 11:37AM | 0 recs
It's okay

It's as though you never left.  Families are like this from time to time.  We'll all try to learn the lessons from this, the lessons we should.

I never intended harm, and I always meant the best, but if I offended or hurt, I am sorry.

Welcome aboard.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-10-13 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: It's okay

Thanks, I still hate you.


I'm only kidding.  Glad we are united again in goals.  

by BPK80 2008-10-13 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: It's okay

"I never intended harm, and I always meant the best, but if I offended or hurt, I am sorry."

No prob.  And I am sorry as well if I have done the same.  

by BPK80 2008-10-13 07:17PM | 0 recs
aww... we all get into fistfights sometimes

... it's how you know we're Democrats!

Thanks for caring enough about America to put your personal feelings aside -- and I do hope that we can reform the whole primary business together (though, with Obama making a whole new style of campaigning, we might want to not step on the feet of that... we'll figure it out!)

by RisingTide 2008-10-14 03:45AM | 0 recs
Re: It's okay

Second this... I'm sure, if not you, there are people who I upset during the primary (or after it, for that matter). I didn't intend to, though, and I'm sorry for offending those I did.

I'm glad you're on board, and I'm right with you -- I'm looking forward to seeing what the next administration (and Congress, etc) can accomplish working together. And Hillary's going to be a major part of that (and it's always been that way).

I'd really like this next three weeks to just be over already -- but I've felt like that since, oh, early February.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-10-13 08:09PM | 0 recs
Well, If McCain wins...

I will be more then sad, I will simply give up...

Seriously, IF this country is insane enough to vote for that hulking wreck on that stage with the calm smart guy, then what's the diff?

We are truly a confederacy of dunces....

Welcome back, I support you and all the Clintonistas in taking ALL you grievances to the party to make the changes you believe needs to be made....

But, first, we have to fix the country, and the choice is not even open for debate how we start doing that.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-13 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, If McCain wins...

Thank you.  I think the more tenacious we are with our arguments here when having intraparty disputes, the more fierce we are all combined when pitted against the GOP.

And yes, what you say hits close to home.  I think losing this election would shock me into hopelessness much as 2004 did.  I really thought we were going to win then.  

by BPK80 2008-10-13 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, If McCain wins...

Agree with both of you. If we lose this election, I give up; my wife is already planning the move to Canada, should McCain win. We're right on everything, and McCain has turned into such an absolutely classless, clueless, nasty, lying caricature of a generic Republican... this country just can't be that dumb.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-10-13 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, If McCain wins...

I will feel like giving up, but I won't. If the unthinkable happens, we will still have a Congressional majority, and that is at least something. I am much more terrified at the prospect of Palin as VP, and I will write letters and donate to any group that wants to ruin her politically. I have been pro Obama since this thing started, but when Palin was nominated my vote changed from pro-Obama to anti-Palin.

by Roberta 2008-10-15 06:29AM | 0 recs
if palin wins president

i get out before they close the borders.

not my friends -- not my country, if that happens.

by RisingTide 2008-10-15 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, If McCain wins...

I don't hate John McCain.  I feel sorry for him.  I see a man well past his prime who has an opportunity to realize his long term life goal and it keeps slipping and slipping away.  And with that dream, everything he once stood for and sacrificed in this process slip away with it.  

I don't really hate Sarah Palin either.  Her philosophy is um... otherworldly, to put it mildly, but she's so self-evidently... hmmm... not special (?) that she doesn't inspire the kind of grandeur I hear associated with some comments I've heard about her (ie "the devil" or "the Apocalypse herself").  She'll be back in Alaska in a few weeks.

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Voting for Obama, Finally

Great diary. Welcome aboard the progress train.

While I probably disagree with things you have written and you have probably disagreed with things I've written, this election is bigger than both of us.


by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2008-10-13 08:29PM | 0 recs
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by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:25PM | 0 recs
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  My first choice never wins the primaries but I'm never sorry when the Democrats win.  On the flip side, I'm always sorry when the Republicans get in office.

It's so surprising that there are still people in this country who haven't noticed that the Republicans cannot govern effectively.  Well, maybe not surprising but kind of sad really.

by GFORD 2008-10-13 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: I felt the way you did.

It was always my intention to vote for the democratic nominee but after such a divisive primary, I hated the idea.  I feared that I might have to get liquored up in order to vote for Obama, and even asked a few people what would happen if a voter came to the polls visibly intoxicated.  

The GOP convention helped me get over it in a hurry.  That spit-spraying, dem-bashing hate fest scared me to death.  Giuliani was especially frightening.  I got an Obama lawn sign the next day, and that's my conversion story.  

The primary didn't turn out the way I hoped but Obama will be head and shoulders better than McCain.  I think this will be a good year for our party.

by half nelson 2008-10-13 09:41PM | 0 recs
thank god for hillary!

if she hadn't dragged obama through as much mud as she could find -- McCain might have some ammunition!


I like my candidates battle-tested, thanks kindly.

by RisingTide 2008-10-14 03:47AM | 0 recs
Re: thank god for hillary!

There is truth to that... The other point to look at is the long primary built up an infrastructure, helped prepare Obama for the McCain debates and really helped get the campaign in shape.   It sucked at the time, but the benefits we reaped were huge.

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-14 05:22AM | 0 recs
this is why i think we have to look carefully

at this campaign when we redesign the primary system.

by RisingTide 2008-10-14 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: this is why i think we have to look carefully

I am glad to hear that there are Obama supporters who still want to redesign the primary system despite the idea that it benefited Obama this time around.  It was awful to watch it rolled out in states the whole way through and to see how bad it is in some states.  Regardless of what people think of the caucuses, there were some states where only a few thousand participated, and that is not a democratic process.  

by Scotch 2008-10-14 04:29PM | 0 recs
meh. I'm not so sure I care about that so much

some places just dont' have a lot of people, nor money to pay for shit.

But if we can raise the money, why not do both a primary and a caucus everywhere? (mail in primary rocks!). Show up, see your neighbors, have a little fun.

The main argument for caucuses is that elections aren't really won democratically -- a 90 year old man is worth a lot less than a 55 year old with some piss and vinegar still left for walkin' the streets and finding some neighbors to vote too.

But, really, there has to be some way to let shift workers and emts in on the caucus, else it's just no good at all.

And I really didn't always get the idea that primaries were about anything more than name recognition... ;-) and endorsements!

But see, I figure we all get together, and we polish the heck out of each others ideas!

by RisingTide 2008-10-15 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: thank god for hillary!

I agree that Obama is a better candidate because of the primaries; Hillary is, too, which will help her in the future.  It was a hard fought race and they both developed and improved over the course of it.  

by half nelson 2008-10-14 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: I felt the way you did.

In my day to day life, I almost never think about the primary or the culpable agents in resolving FL/MI in a flagrantly unfair manner.  My opinion hasn't changed, but it's very much in the background.  So I'm sure that months and years from now, it will be even less prevalent while asinine GOP indifference to American life would be annoying me constantly.  And the scars on the judiciary would probably not heal until I'm in my twilight years.  

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:27PM | 0 recs
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Very happy to have you with us.

by Jess81 2008-10-13 10:00PM | 0 recs
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Thanks.  :-)

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:12PM | 0 recs
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For what it's worth, I supported Obama from the beginning but would probably vote for Hillary Clinton reflexively if she runs in 2016.  If the Dems break the color line this year the glass ceiling is the next to go.  

My dream scenario would have Clinton shepherding the health care plan though Congress, being appointed to the Supreme Court, and then running in 2016 and winning.  That would be one of the most incredible careers in Americans politics.

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-10-13 10:46PM | 0 recs
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Agreed... except for the Scotus thing... If she went on the Scotus, her political career is probably done at that point.    Instead I'd rather see her as Majority Leader.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-14 05:20AM | 0 recs
Its good to have you back

I am glad to see you here again Brian. Its proof that there is room for real disagreement in this family and that our wounds do indeed heal.

Now lets go win this election!

by JDF 2008-10-13 11:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Its good to have you back

Thank you.  

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Voting for Obama, Finally

Good to have you back.  This election is about more than just one person.  It is bigger than Obama.  He will be president for a maximum of eight years but the bills he signs from Congress, the judges he appoints, and the damage he does to the Rove-style brand of GOP electoral politics will last much longer.

Towards the end of the primaries I began to feel that the only way Clinton could still win was to steal it.  If that had happened, would I have been upset?  Hell yeah.  But I still would have voted for her.  And I would have donated.  Sitting on the sidelines, or voting for Nader, or writing in Obama's name, or godforbid even voting for McCain would have never crossed my mind.  The election is bigger than Obama, and it is bigger than me.  Democrats stand together or fall apart.  We actually have a chance at a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a 100-seat majority in the House, something that was unthinkable until Obama began to finally start polling ten points ahead, as everyone seemed to expect him to.

It's going to be a re-aligning election and I'm glad to see so many Clinton supporters (many of them extremely apprehensive about Obama) on this site and elsewhere come back to support the Democratic nominee.

by Skaje 2008-10-14 12:59AM | 0 recs
He defeated Hillary on her home turf

... that is with democratic primary voters.

I'd have voted for Hillary too, and with a song in my heart (man, is that corny or what?)

by RisingTide 2008-10-14 03:49AM | 0 recs
Hillary won with Democrats.

in case you didn't know. Obama only won where there were open primaries.

by Lakrosse 2008-10-15 04:59PM | 0 recs
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I'm not in love with Obama and wish he would have been engaged with tougher questions, but he has the D next to his name.  

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:30PM | 0 recs
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I think Alegre is coming around too  

she actually complimented obama or BHO as they call him on his economic plan  

by wellinformed 2008-10-14 04:36AM | 0 recs
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F her... The moment she started campaigning for McCain she became just another POS.

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-14 05:18AM | 0 recs
Re: She's not supporting McCain.

She posted this on Oct. 7-
"Look, we all came together because we admire and respect Hillary right?

She's been urging us to not only vote for BHO, but to also work our hearts out for him as much as we did for her.

Now I know a lot of aren't there yet and we may never be able to vote for the guy.  But I will NOT allow this site to be used to trash our party's nominee with BS diaries like the one I just deleted."

by half nelson 2008-10-14 08:18AM | 0 recs
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She's not even supporting McCain, let alone campaigning for him.  

by markjay 2008-10-14 10:40AM | 0 recs
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My sentiment towards her is best expressed by the title of that 90s Prodigy song.

by Pravin 2008-10-14 06:58AM | 0 recs
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Serial thrilla? That can't be it. Funky shit? Maybe, but we can do better? Firestarter? Bingo.
by failsafe 2008-10-14 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Voting for Obama, Finally
Even the pathetic Charles Lemos (formerly of OneGoodMove, then NoQuarter) may be coming around. But neither has shown any sign that they won't be just as stupid the next time around, so sorry... Thanks for your votes, PUMAs, but I don't feel any more respect for you.
by failsafe 2008-10-14 10:01AM | 0 recs
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Glad you are supporting the nominee... but lets drop the bull shit that the ONLY reason she lost was Party leaders.  Its horse shit... Her own guy VOTED for the Mich and Florida rules.  The contest was over before that hearing (albeit it would have been closer).

You want to blame a little bit on the stupidity of the MI and FL decision in the first place, that's fine... I have no issue and agree... they were MORONS for not just doing a half vote.  Had that happen, we NEVER would have had the issue of candidates dropping out or stupid hearings on the issue.

But lets chalk this up to what it is... Hillary lost for three reasons:

1) Her advisors did not work well together and her chief advisor didn't have a great comprehension of the rules (the California delegate story still blows my mind).   Instead of simply shutting up and doing their jobs, there was a lot of fighting and bickering... She should have made some replacements much earlier or taken the reigns and knocked some heads.  

2) Her decision to not contest the caucus states.

3) The Obama campaign out hustled her...   They worked the system... they realized that keeping it close in Big states and blowing out in small states was more advantageous... They ran a campaign taylor made for the Dem primaries if they went all the way until the end... Hillary's campaign was made for a Feb 5 knock out blow.  When it didn't happen, she was in serious trouble.

THIS is why Hillary lost.    Had her people run a better campaign and not let her down, she probably would have won it in a close one.   COntesting the Caucus states alone probably would have shifted it toward her.

Good Person... but lets stop blaming the party leaders in a bullshit cop out excuse and look at the real reason Hillary lost... a poorly run campaign that went up against a better disciplined campaign... A campaign built for the 90's running against a 21st century campaign.   If it wasn't for that, She would have won quite easily.

Don't worry... she'll be back in 8 years... she will probably have my support unless Schweitzer or Gore run... She impressed me with the dignity she has had since her Saturday speech.

Off the soapbox... glad you finally came to what should have been the easiest decision of your life... picking the Democrat over the crazy Bat shit Bush republican.

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-14 05:11AM | 0 recs
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that is such BS. She did not run a bad campaign. She ran a great campaign that got like 49% of the vote. Just because she lost that doesn't mean she ran a bad campaign. She did not contest the caucus states that much becasue she was right that they would be dominated by hard core left wingers who really opposed the iraq war and saw her as a Republican. She ran the best campaign she could but the Iraq war vote was a huge problem. The voters did not want her brand of moderate liberalism end of story. Bad campaign my ass.

by whothere 2008-10-14 07:06AM | 0 recs
so what you're saying is that they failed to

brand her correctly?

I can dig that.

Shitty shitty campaign full of DRAMA. feh.

A competent campaign from Hillary woulda won in a walk, backwards, on its hind legs.

by RisingTide 2008-10-14 07:12AM | 0 recs
Partially true

Hillary's earlier advisers were complete idiots, Mark Penn especially.  Her campaign from March onwards was very well done, especially Pennsylvania.  

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:31PM | 0 recs
Did I insult you somehow?

I don't think so. I did not insult any person who posts here. My post was full of content. Your hide rating is in violation of site rules.

I post this because my first time here, I didn't know any better.

Kindly retract, or I contact the management.

by RisingTide 2008-10-14 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Did I insult you somehow?

I'd be very surprised if this new nym is actually a new poster. More likely an old acquaintance back to stir up shit.

by BlueinColorado 2008-10-14 12:01PM | 0 recs

Her chief strategist didn't know that delegates are awarded proportionately, a rule written by her second ranking advisor, Harold Ickes, JR; maybe if they had been able to put their hatred of each other long enough to have a conversation, they might have realized this was a problem. Her camapign manager took two days off in February to catch up on the "Gray's Anatomy" dvd release. Her husband was hostile, arrogant and bewilderingly off message. She let Archie Bunkerbuffer careen around Ohio insulting Democratic voters and donors (people like me) so that she could demagogue her way to win the primary.

She ran a really shitty campaign.

by BlueinColorado 2008-10-14 11:57AM | 0 recs
don't blame bill on hillary
he's Sick, not Problematic.
(see PumpHead)
by RisingTide 2008-10-15 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Are you really a democrat?

Your last remark seems designed to provoke and offend.  

by half nelson 2008-10-14 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Voting for Obama, Finally

It's wonderful that you feel the need to restate your humble opinion FOR THE RECORD! (I guess?), but I don't share it and see no point in rehashing perennially irreconcilable arguments from the primary season three weeks before the general election.

Your sour condescension tempts a response, but any argument I would craft would come at the expense of the nominee I am now supporting.  

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:23PM | 0 recs
I Hope That You'll Forgive Me

if I was too harsh during our last "exchange". I also hope that your worries over Obama will be disproved after he is in office. I know this was difficult, but I also TRULY hope that looking back you'll feel proud of this decision.

Finally, my hope for Hillary is that she stays in Congress, but is given the lead role in developing an appropriate Universal Healthcare Program.


by RNinNC 2008-10-14 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: I Hope That You'll Forgive Me

You weren't too harsh.  Everything you said came from a noble intent.  hugs back

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:23PM | 0 recs
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I completely agreee with your analysis and understanding. Just look at my past diaries.

Let's hope the best for Obama and for Hillary of course.

by mtg44234 2008-10-14 11:15AM | 0 recs
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Thank you.

by BPK80 2008-10-15 11:33PM | 0 recs
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I believe that I saw polls indiacting in three states that Early voting is going 2 to 1 for Obama and this makes sense since he has younger more enthusiastic voters and an amazing ground game. So in some states by election date he has effectively locked in a 2-3% advantage.

by dbeall 2008-10-14 12:01PM | 0 recs

Where am I, and why are these snowballs melting?

by Dumbo 2008-10-14 12:37PM | 0 recs
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Hillary Clinton begged off SCOTUS today.  Doesn't mean  if offered that she'd really refuse.  It's also not the case that someone who accepts a seat on the bench can't run for public office.  But the way she did it suggests that she's not interested in the job (which would make some sense, interpreting the law is not the same as legislating).

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-10-14 08:11PM | 0 recs
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she'd be a great justice

by ellington 2008-10-15 06:26AM | 0 recs


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