DONT BLAME ME... I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!

You know, it sucks to be right sometimes! Everything Obama made YA'LL believe was complete and utter BS!!! And everyone of yall fell for it! Im just praying something good comes out of these 4 very long years!!!

Just a few things he said he would do during the primary:

END DADT
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE
CLOSE GITMO
END WIRETAPPING
OPEN GOVERNMENT

"I say and I say it again, you've been had. You've been took. You've been HOODWINKED, BAMBOOZLED, led astray, run amok."

DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!!!

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Re: DONT BLAME ME... I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!

I find the advantage of backing a losing candidate is that you never have to have any regrets.  I've been disappointed by every politician I ever voted for... except the ones that lost.

by Steve M 2009-08-17 12:34PM | 0 recs
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Man, I wish I had uttered this line...it is clever!!

by Ravi Verma 2009-08-17 01:31PM | 0 recs
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I'm curious about the diarists choice in the GE?  Did they back a real fighter then too?

by Pragmatic Left 2009-08-18 05:53AM | 0 recs
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There was only one man in the GE who had truly fought for us.

by Steve M 2009-08-18 06:01AM | 0 recs
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That's what I thought.  Thanks for making it clear who you really are.

by Pragmatic Left 2009-08-22 02:57AM | 0 recs
Re: DONT BLAME ME... I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!

Curious which one of these things McCain/Palin would have fought for:

END DADT
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE
CLOSE GITMO
END WIRETAPPING
OPEN GOVERNMENT

Idiot.

by Pragmatic Left 2009-08-22 02:58AM | 0 recs
There was a real fighter?

by DTOzone 2009-08-17 12:41PM | 0 recs
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I voted for Mickey Rourke too.

by JerryColorado23 2009-08-17 01:00PM | 0 recs
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For the Wrestle? Come on he's a great actor but he was playing himself.

by bruh3 2009-08-17 02:00PM | 0 recs
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And he owned it. Look what he did to his face for that role. Dedication, baby.

by JerryColorado23 2009-08-18 06:52PM | 0 recs
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It's always easy to say the person who didn't win the primary would would be doing it better.  However, my guess. We'd be in the exact same place maybe worse. If we are having this fight over a public option imagine the furor over Hillary's version.

However always fun to play the primary wars over again...not.

by jsfox 2009-08-17 01:20PM | 0 recs
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Hey, we might even be having this discussion if Super Dennis had won.

BTW, judging from some of the Congressional comments I've heard, it sort of sounds as if what the administration was really saying is:

"I want to do it, you want me to do it, now make me do it!"

But what do I know? I'm just an independent observers and a history geek who's a closet optimist...guess I'll neer be a good Blog Bircher.

Palin vs, Kuciunich in 20l6..the Flying Monkey Right meets the I Wanna A Pony Left.

by spirowasright 2009-08-17 01:39PM | 0 recs
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Close Gitmo? Sounds like something the Secretary of State should be working on, don't you think? And besides, I'm not really sure why you think 8 months is the same thing as 4 years... bad at math, perhaps?

For the love of God, get over yourself.

by Nathan Empsall 2009-08-17 01:23PM | 0 recs
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The State Department should be closing Gitmo?  Really?

by Steve M 2009-08-17 01:38PM | 0 recs
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No, I'm just saying, she'd have a role in the behind-the-scens discussion. Condi Rice was pushing for W to close Gitmo. My only point is it doesn't make much sense for a Clinton supporter to complain about foreign policy issues right now.

by Nathan Empsall 2009-08-17 02:04PM | 0 recs
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Fair enough, although I dunno if I'd call Gitmo a foreign policy issue.  For all we know, and maybe this is how it really works in the diarist's active imagination, maybe every night when Obama goes to bed there's a note on the pillow that says "You know, I really really think we should close Gitmo.  Love, Hillary."

by Steve M 2009-08-17 02:24PM | 0 recs
MYDD

is late on its phone bill again.  C'mon angry mobs, we can recreate the site traffic of spring 2008.

Yes we can.

Yes we can.

by the mollusk 2009-08-17 01:49PM | 0 recs
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Look- i supported Edwards,a nd we all know what a dud he turned out to be. If you think for one second that Clinton would have been better than President Obama, that in a nutshell is the problem with too many ofyou: You make this bout personality rather than realizing they are all politicians. Every single person you can name and stick up on that hill as better is a politician.

by bruh3 2009-08-17 01:59PM | 0 recs
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It always amazes me how vociferously those of us who supported Obama were branded a "cult".

by Pragmatic Left 2009-08-18 06:15AM | 0 recs
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I think it's really disingenuous for anyone to think that Hillary Clinton would be doing a better job right now on any of these issues, including health care. The truth is, her campaign was a snake pit of infighting, backbiting, and general chaos. Her campaign didn't bode well for her abilities as an executive, or any managerial skills, for that matter. It might sound simplistic, but a campaign is in some ways a dry run for the Presidency. I'd even add that her skills at selecting people for the right jobs were highly suspect as well, once the campaign was over. While I was highly supportive of her candidacy in the early going, it was clear by the end of the nominating process that the primaries had served a valuable role in the selection process.

I'll always have a great deal of affection and respect for both Clintons, as I think they've contributed a helluva a lot more to this country than they've taken out; on balance, it's a pretty positive ledger. But just as the Republicans have a yearning to go back to the days of Reagan and the 80's, we have to close the book on the Clinton years and the 90's. Unfortunately, many of the alums from those years--Emanuel, Larry Summers, et al.---aren't looking so great these days in their encore performances.....

by BJJ Fighter 2009-08-17 02:31PM | 0 recs
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A lot of that has continued in her role as SoS... Some conspiracy theorists have surmised that she's being deliberately marginalized, but her campaign history points to just business as usual for her...

by LordMike 2009-08-17 07:09PM | 0 recs
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What exactly has continued in her role as SoS, and what is your evidence of that?

by markjay 2009-08-17 08:18PM | 0 recs
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She should never have take the job at State; ultimately, it's an untenable situation. I don't think she's being deliberately marginalized; Obama seems to have gone out of his way to publicly back her, and to be supportive when necessary. But in the "cast of thousands" approach that this administration seems to take everywhere, you also have Holbrooke and George Mitchell in high profile foreign policy positions. Each has periodically lusted after the SoS job for himself, and it's never been clear clear to me whether they report directly to Obama or to the Secretary of State.

The only other thing that was kind of cruddy was Mr. and Mrs. Biden going out of their way to let the media know that Joe had been given a choice between the VP job, and State. That whole thing was pretty juvenile on their part, and said more about Biden's lack of professionalism than it did anything else.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-08-18 04:50PM | 0 recs
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I was really impressed by the way she stayed in the Senate to fight for all those things that are so important to her.

Oh, wait....

by BlueinColorado 2009-08-17 05:02PM | 0 recs
i don't know...

maybe you didn't - after all her name is spelled H-i-l-l-a-r-y....

by canadian gal 2009-08-17 05:07PM | 0 recs
I don't think things would have been that much

different under Hillary. The fact that got me last year was how many folks refused to see how close Obama was to Hillary on various issues. They both carefully constructed centrist positions on most major issues of the day. So if Obama admin (which includes HRC) walks away from pushing the public option as part of the healthcare reform any further, I would be very disappointed but not surprised.

by louisprandtl 2009-08-17 08:40PM | 0 recs
no doubt...

and i don't think obama is walking away from the public option FWIW.

by canadian gal 2009-08-18 08:31AM | 0 recs
I think the administration is throwing up

all sorts of trial balloons to feel how hot the water would get either way. I really don't know which way the chips will fall..but will wait and see.

by louisprandtl 2009-08-18 05:21PM | 0 recs
ill add...

i guess my snark it hard to appreciate when its become like PUMA-town around here.

my stomach is turning a bit.

by canadian gal 2009-08-18 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: ill add...

...this place is totally off the rails.

by fogiv 2009-08-18 12:54PM | 0 recs
i thought it was snark but was not sure...

by louisprandtl 2009-08-18 05:24PM | 0 recs
Hey - I voted for the Fighter too - but....

there is absolutely NO QUESTION the Fighter would be up against the same walls. And even tho' she'd swing, doesn't mean she'd be hittin' anything either.

by nikkid 2009-08-17 06:22PM | 0 recs
The PUMA in me

is really enjoying watching the blogsphere open their eyes and face political reality...it's really fun to watch their unrealistic expectations come crashing down...yeah, I want to say "I told you so"...but not I don't blame Obama for that, they had starry-eyed delusions of grandeur and projected an image upon a man which he never claimed to be (They still do this with Howard Dean)

Political reality also states Hillary Clinton would be in the same situation now, perhaps a worse situation, and would be making similar concessions. Hell, even she said she wouldn't push healthcare reform until 2012 (forgot about that boxer?), so we might not even be having a healthcare conversation at all right now.

The difference is the left wouldn't have been left with delusions of grandeur about her. Political reality would have been a little less hard to take for the OpenLefters and Kossacks. Sure we would've heard the whole "Oh Hillary is a sell out." "PRIMARY HER ASS!" But at least they would have been left with an obvious example of how little political power they hold.

The greatest delusion of grandeur created by Obama's election was the idea that the netroots got him elected...in reality, they were a miniscule part of it, especially since Hillary had a large share of the netroots behind her too.

by DTOzone 2009-08-17 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: The PUMA in me

Very insightful and realistic. I hope this post doesn't get lost in the mix......

by xodus1914 2009-08-18 11:24AM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

I knew Obama didn't have the experience to truly lead. I always saw him for the hype that he is and a product. Her overall plan for health care was better and politically doable. Her foreign policy would have been better. Her economic plan was smarter and more efficient. It will Bill who got the Korean prisoners freed.

I miss the Clintons. Clinton 2012

by Lakrosse 2009-08-17 07:06PM | 0 recs
hmm, guess Hillary supporters

had delusions of grandeur too.

by DTOzone 2009-08-17 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Her overall health care plan is pretty much exactly what is being put out there by the congressional committees... Personal mandates with subsidies and possibly a public plan.  There is very little substantial difference between the plans put forth in congress and Hillary's plans...

by LordMike 2009-08-17 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

I would disagree somewhat.  While there is a lot that is familiar to the plan, there is significant difference and DETAILS as to what the actual plan was.

Would there be resistance and reluctance?!  Sure, but there would for sure have been a better message and what was expected to come out of the process for sure.

Wyden Healthy Americans Act!

by TxDem08 2009-08-17 07:30PM | 0 recs
Better Message?

From Hillary Clinton?

Are you serious?

by DTOzone 2009-08-17 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Better Message?

Absolutely.  As I've been saying, the problem Obama ran into is he turned over the handling, the structure, the negotiating, and THE MESSAGE to Congress.  Obama took a hands off approach, and predictably the car went right off the road.

Message.  Frame-work.  Being able to stay on point and message and pass something BEFORE the recess and allowing the GOP time to regroup and initiate this 'insurgency' against health-care reform.

So, yes.  Better message.  She was prepared for this.  She knew there would be no bi-partisanship.  She was aware that this would come down to a gun-fight.  All we brought was cake.

by TxDem08 2009-08-18 07:05AM | 0 recs
Yep, delusions of grandeur there too

by DTOzone 2009-08-18 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Could you describe some differences?  To me, all the plans look nearly identical--Romneycare with some public option icing...

by LordMike 2009-08-17 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Sure.  A few differences first were that Clinton was offering two programs to those who were un-insured or under-insured.

The biggest difference of all is: The BCBS base package that all federal employees get, and medicare.

Obama never offered the BCBS base package as the starting point.  The house and senate plans only offer private coverage from private insurance co.'s.  Even the Public Option is a private plan monitored and administered by the gov't.

There are other more subtle differences, but that right there was the deal breaker for me in terms of difference.

by TxDem08 2009-08-18 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Um... if that were true, she would've won the primary, right?

by BlueinColorado 2009-08-17 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

No.

There's no magic in the system.

It's raw politics and that means that the better person doesn't always win.

Or do you think Reagan was better than Carter or Mondale, or Bush was better than Gore or Kerry, etc.?

by cuppajoe 2009-08-17 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Gore and Kerry were both remarkably bad at TV (and Gore still won the popular vote). More than half of the people who voted for Bush in '04 thought Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

As for HRC, many of the reasons she lost were direct results of decisions she made: The personnel she hired; the votes she made in the Senate, and those she didn't.

And the notion that she was a "fighter" was always particularly bewildering to me. It was always hard for me to take her "fighter" persona seriously after eight years of utter passivity in the Senate. Again, a choice she made.

by BlueinColorado 2009-08-17 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Well, I'm not about to fire shots which will start the Primary Wars again.

But read your own words and compare what you said and the bases you opened for comparison to the candidate you think won because he was better than the one who didn't win the primaries.

My point still stands -- raw politics doesn't guarantee that the better person wins, only the better campaigner (which word does not mean the person with better policies/vision/beliefs/records but the person who knows how to play the game, take advantage of the forces splayed before him and appear to promise everything to everyone).

by cuppajoe 2009-08-18 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

You're reading too much into my response to "HILLARY IS BETTER IN EVERYEST WAY!!!"

Again, I object more to PUMA fantasies than the relative merits of Hillary Clinton.

by BlueinColorado 2009-08-18 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

I actually thought the fighter meme fit Hillary pretty well. It came across as more authentic, being very similar to the word "change". No one could really decipher whether change was good or bad thing, but it was the truth.

So, I believe Hillary should use the words "warrior" and "fighter" for her future campaigns.

by Check077 2009-08-18 06:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

Perception is personal. To me the "fighter" thing rang hollow and couldn't be backed up by anything that preceded Obama's win in Iowa. YMMV.

by BlueinColorado 2009-08-18 08:45AM | 0 recs
and, FWIW,

I have nothing against HRC. Would've been happy to vote for her had she won the nomination. It's just that the childishness of the PUMAs is hard for me to resist.

by BlueinColorado 2009-08-17 08:45PM | 0 recs
Better in what way?

If you're talking about better at campaigning, better at convincing people and getting support, then yeah, Reagan was absolutely better than Carter or Mondale and Bush was absolutely better than Kerry.

by DTOzone 2009-08-17 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Better in what way?

I'm talking about better at keeping messaging on point and focused.  Keeping people in line and driving the issue forward.

Campaigning well, not so much.

by TxDem08 2009-08-18 07:07AM | 0 recs
Yes

Then, Reagan was abosolutely better than Carter and Mondale, and Bush was definitely better than Gore or Kerry.

and Obama was absolutely better than Clinton at that too.

by DTOzone 2009-08-18 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, truly better in every way

"It will Bill who got the Korean prisoners freed." You have just got to be fucking kidding me! Do you ever fact check?  The deal was done for the N. Korean prisoners long before Bill ever left the ground. Not to take anything away from Bill, but he had zip to do with the negotiations or their release. Bill was sent at the behest of the N. Koreans because Bill had sent a condolence letter to Kim at the death of his father.

by jsfox 2009-08-17 08:20PM | 0 recs
Hillary would not have been much better

I dont think.  While I admire and respect her greatly(even more so after 2008), I always saw her as being like most politicians.  She would have done what was politically expedient for her.  

by Kent 2009-08-17 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: DONT BLAME ME... I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!

Also, she would have cured cancer, put a (wo)man on Mars, ended global poverty, baptized all the pagan babies, and bought the world a Coke.

Oh, and flying cars.  We'd have those by now, too.

by Jay R 2009-08-17 08:56PM | 0 recs
Monkey butlers...

I want my monkey butlers...

by thurst 2009-08-19 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: DONT BLAME ME... I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!

IN CAPS, NO LESS!!!!!

by mikeinsf 2009-08-17 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: DONT BLAME ME... I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!

You voted for Chris Cyborg?

by AZphilosopher 2009-08-17 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: DONT BLAME ME... I VOTED FOR A REAL FIGHTER!

I see MyDD is still infested with the hiltards.

by John in Chicago 2009-08-18 12:08PM | 0 recs
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...an outbreak of late.

by fogiv 2009-08-18 12:57PM | 0 recs
And none of them

have contributed anything in months.

by JJE 2009-08-18 06:47PM | 0 recs
Once healthcare reform passes

they'll disappear until another hard legislative fight comes along.

by DTOzone 2009-08-18 08:12PM | 0 recs
Presumptuous...

I am not convinced Hillary would've beaten McCain, so to me this diary is a non-starter.  But for the fun of make-believe, I agree with most people here that she would've done her best, but still subject to all the pitfalls, traps, compromises, temptations, and errors that all politician face.  

Moreso for democratic pols because, as constituents, we have this uncanny ability to question our leaders and not fall lockstep in line, which can be a hindrance when attempting to pass policy, so thanks there smarty pantses.

by KLRinLA 2009-08-18 12:44PM | 0 recs
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by Nathan Empsall 2009-08-18 01:44PM | 0 recs

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