Kossacks say the darnedest things!

I don't know about you, but, I blog out of passion for my beliefs and for what I, personally, think is righteous. I would imagine many people here on MyDD share my feelings about why they're here, too.

In my 32+ years of  participating in and following U.S. politics, like many, I find this cycle to be far more fascinating than any I've lived through until now.

Now, I don't care if you support Clinton or Obama or even McCain, as long as you're sincere with regard to what you write.  That being said, if you're going to get in my face here with disingenuous bullshit, then I've got a problem with "you."

Which brings me to the purpose of why I'm posting this diary now.

If "you" are going to go behind my back and make a total hypocrite of yourself as you shit on this community in public to others, elsewhere, I've got an even bigger problem with YOU.

And, I'd suspect that others here would feel similarly upset if they knew what you were doing when you weren't within earshot of MyDD, too.

YOU then return here, under the guise of "contributing to this community," only to repeat this cycle of vicious and disingenuous behavior, often on a nightly basis.

Yes, "you!"

Stop wasting my time and getting into my face with your disingenuous bullshit and mindgames.  You mean very little of what you post here. You insult me and every other sincere blogger here with your misrepresentations.

Yes, "You"--

(As seen recently on Daily Kos.)

Currently, there's a diary rec'd here accusing most of MyDD of being racists by the blogger who posted this on Daily Kos nine months ago?


from Mumphrey,  as posted on Daily Kos, July 26, 2007
I respect the work she's (Hillary Clinton) done as a senator, but this presidential campaign makes me think twice about whether she should even be serving there anymore.  I think it shows incredible selfishness and arrogance to put herself forward for president.  I think that she's more interested in being the first woman president than she is in what's best for our country.

<SNIP>

Anybody who is willing to put this country through 4 or 8 more years of hearing about the Clintons' sex lives just so she can be president is just plain selfish.

And, you!


I've been reading it a lot recently (5+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      Christin, hyperstation, trashablanca, dantrotheplanetman, christine20

     because DKos was getting too much of the echo chamber effect; over there, it's the same thing, except they're fawning over Pat Buchanan, Rush Limpdick and Bill Kristol.

     No, seriously, it's that bad.

     This is a Democratic blog, a partisan blog. It's a Democratic blog with one goal in mind: electoral victory. - FAQ

     by MBNYC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:03:07 PM EDT

And, you!


Then you're oblivious. (5+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      johnny rotten, GN1927, Mocha Dem, soms, David Kroning

     If laughter helps disguise the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, then yuk it up.

     Your candidate sold her soul long ago in order to avoid the Kerry/Dukakis trap of being seen as weak. From her vote on Iraq to Kyl-Lieberman to "obliterating" Iran, she re-made herself into a walking cartoon--a real-live, tough-talkin', butt-kickin' Democratic hawk, yessiree!

     The only thing that's "laughable" here is this puerile little diary. I'm sure they eat this crap up at MyDD, but it doesn't fly here.

     "I told them on Inauguration Day. I said look into my eyes: no new enhancements." - President Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner), Infinite Jest

     by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 01:48:10 AM EDT

And, you!


An Obama/Clinton Supporter Debate at MyDD
by Moo Means Hello (a/k/a RageKage)
Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:25:02 PM EDT

Heya folks; this'll be quick and dirty. Over at MyDD, we're hosting an Obama/Clinton supporter debate in order to bridge or seal some of the rifts on that site that have emerged from this contentious primary debate. I know some of you lurk or frequent the forum over there; please drop by and offer input if you've got any.

http://www.mydd.com/...

It's scheduled for next week Sunday, tentatively. At the least, it will be great fun. It seems that some of the heavy-hitters on MyDD that left Kos are, ahem, a little reticent to engage in such a debate, which I find a little amusing, but nonetheless- this is for furthering the dialog and hopefully doing something to mend the rift between our camps.

And, you!


It won't heal any rift.  Alegre (9+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      td, peraspera, citizenx, lordcopper, MadAsHellMaddie, Shhs, Fixed Point Theorem, chinchin, Student Guy

     will be their chosen warrior and Alegre is blatantly dishonest.

     Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

     by JayGR on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:40:21 PM EDT

Wrong (7+ / 0-)

           Recommended by:
            citizenx, shunpike, Fixed Point Theorem, llamaRCA, notquitedelilah, reesespcs, Student Guy

           She's, predictably (in my opinion) shied away from accepting it. Everytime she's brought up with hard facts, she retreats- which she couldn't do here, I take it, but is easy for her to accomplish at MyDD.

           A debate would only force her to try and answer those questions, which she'd never be able to.

           by Moo Means Hello (a/k/a RageKage) on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:43:31 PM EDT

And, you!


Not that it'd surprise anyone (1+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      notquitedelilah

     but the Hillary backers at mydd are flipping out over it and demanding, DEMANDING, that KO be fired immediately for trying to incite violence against women and girls.

     We are the ones we have been waiting for. Obama '08

     by bawbie on Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 01:33:13 AM EDT

And, you!


One of the strikers who left here also going (1+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      Shhs

     http://www.mydd.com/...

     after it. Apparently there is like 4 diaries shotting up over there and the names people might notice of who is putting it out. This is their latest fox outrage.

     Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

     by AHiddenSaint on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:23:23 PM EDT

And, you!


Hey travis, thanks for the work you are doing (4+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      churchylafemme, yoduuuh do or do not, Jeff Y, Lava20

     over at mydd.

     Really.  I don't even log in anymore, but I read the comments, and your efforts are appreciated.

     We have wasted history like a bunch of drunks shooting dice in the men's crapper of the local bar. --Charles Bukowski, Notes of a Dirty Old Man

     by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:56:29 PM EDT

Why thank you! (0+ / 0-)

           That's very nice of you.

           I actually left MyDD for two weeks, and sat back and watched as the worst of the lot there were expelled from the site, and then most of them were allowed back. Right now I think it's at a point where it's at least possible to have a decent argument there.

           There's the Alegre's and Linfar's of the world, who are either directly working for Hillary, or extremely closely allied to her campaign, and then there's some racists and "unusual personalities" who got thrown off here and other sites and think they're being subtle over on MyDD.

           However, then there's a small group of Hillary supporters who are just there parroting what they've been told, however wrong. If left alone the Clintonite core will come along and reinforce the misinformation, so when I have time I try to drop by and inject reality if I can, or at least make them support their claims. It is what it is.

           Please join the Obama Viral Email Project!

           by Travis Stark on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 01:57:11 PM EDT

And, you!


The racists, assholes, trolls, and shitheads (2+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      Marie, tommymet

     at MYDD is not a balanced source for anything.

     I will work as hard as I can to make sure that Clinton never gets to the White House.

     "The era of Scooter Libby justice, Brownie incompetence and Karl Rove politics will finally be over this year" Reject Marc Rich justice and Mark Penn politics.

     by IhateBush on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 04:06:00 PM EDT

And, you!


MyDD (0+ / 0-)

     Excellent Diary!

     This soooooo needs to be debated over at MyDD.

     Do you have an account to cross-post it?

     Let me know.

     by vet75 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:16:07 PM EDT

And, you!


Over at mydd (0+ / 0-)

           They've been using Republican frames for so long they don't even realize it anymore.

           by Skaje on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 08:26:05 PM EDT

And, you!


Forget MyDD people (0+ / 0-)

     just generally the number of people who will vote for McCain just out of spite.

     by nrafter530 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:41:21 AM EDT

And, you!


Or like alegre they will try to guilt you into (1+ / 0-)

     Recommended by:
      Empower Ink

     voting for her.

     her mydd diary today is truly awful.

     We have wasted history like a bunch of drunks shooting dice in the men's crapper of the local bar. --Charles Bukowski, Notes of a Dirty Old Man

     by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:55:17 PM EDT

And, also you!


Recommended by: jrooth, Punditcrat, costello7, SteamPunkX, Sun dog, zbbrox, soms
Into The Stars

     Is this all you can come up with? Trot on over to MyDD where all the Clintonites are hanging out bashing Obama 24/7. While there's some strong anti-Hillary sentiment in the quotes you posted, only a couple of them cross any lines.

     Please join the Obama Viral Email Project!

     by Travis Stark on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:34:53 AM EDT

If you're going to continue to communicate dishonestly with this community,  then consider yourselves trolls! Got it? Good!

Tags: Blogosphere, Daily Kos, dishonest blogging, meta, MyDD, trolls (all tags)

Comments

87 Comments

&quot;The first rule of MyDD...

... is you do NOT talk about MyDD"

So you can't contribute here if you have issues with certain diaries or members?

Is that in the terms of use somewhere?

by jdusek 2008-04-29 09:42PM | 0 recs
Mooooooooooooom!

Daily Kos is picking on me.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-29 10:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Mooooooooooooom!

MyDD started it.

Did not.

Did too.

by jdusek 2008-04-29 10:35PM | 0 recs
Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho..Echo..echo..ech..ec..e

Be honest about it, Kossaks!

You come here because there ain't no challenge over at the Orange echo chamber.

You don't feel like your time is well spent getting the obamessage out, you're spoiling for a fight where you feel like can make a difference in the holy cause.

. . . be intellectually honest about it, like the diarist states, we understand YOU, no need to hide your inner motivations, fly, be free.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-04-30 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho..Echo..echo..ech..ec..e

I come here because I'm curious what the next attack is going to be.

If it's something particularly stupid or insulting I'll reply.

Occasionally there's a nice diary here that hasn't got anything to do with candidate wars.

by grass 2008-04-30 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Dkos: ECHO..ECHo..ECho..Echo..echo..ech..ec..e

So the truth comes out, huh? Do some reconnaissance on the enemy?!?

"Know your enemy" - Sun Tzu : Art of War

You're some kind of progressive democrats, aren't you?   I've got news for you the enemy is John McBush.

Why don't you guys sneak surreptitiously into Freep and know the real enemy, rather than play your games here, where we attempt discourse - the kind of high level stuff that used to be on the Orange mess.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-04-30 09:22AM | 0 recs
I wouldn't have to come here if you didn't launch

so many silly attacks.

It's unfortunate that your comparison to sneaking into Freepersville is so appropriate.

And for your information I also visit Redstate. Occasionally I'll try to convince them, politely, that they're wrong on global warming.

Now, I'm not sure, but this isn't a Clinton website. It's a progressive website. There is no prerequisite  for supporting Clinton to post here, just as there isn't for supporting Obama over at daily Kos.

I try to be polite, sometimes I get snarky, and that's all there is. Not some stupid conspiracy, just trying to refute some of the odious allegations and to put forward counter arguments about silly gas tax holidays.  

by grass 2008-04-30 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Hmm.

Well, I think you proved beyond reproach you are the biggest troll of all. The Terms of Service here specifically forbid calling other people out by name, like this, for one.

For two, you're simply trying to create trouble because of whatever problem you've got with DailyKos. I mean, Good Lord, man, it's a friggin' website. Get over it.

For three, you did a nice job in cherry picking what you could to try and make your points. On my diary, for instance, referenced there on Kos- I've never had any qualms taking Alegre to task here on MyDD. She never diaries anything worth a damn, in my opinion, it's all hackneyed and divisive junk, and she's yet to answer a really hard question.

I noticed you ignored these comments from me, fighting some of the Kossacks there:

Yep. One of the only Clinton-leaning places on the net that hasn't completed sunk into the depths of vitriol and hate. So we're fighting fire with hope, so to speak. :)

Or, how about this, after I was told not even to bother trying to get anything positive out of MyDD:

Giving up is the first step to failing in the fall. I used to be a Republican- four years ago I would have sneered at DailyKos- but look how things have changed.

People's minds can be changed, and it's never not worth fighting for.

You, sir, are truly pathetic, I'm sorry to say. This is the internet. Really. Take a step away from the computer, a deep breath, and a step back from the inanity- perspective and common sense are truly great things.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

You write:

"I think you proved beyond reproach you are the biggest troll of all. The Terms of Service here specifically forbid calling other people out by name, like this, for one."

followed by:

"I've never had any qualms taking Alegre to task here on MyDD. She never diaries anything worth a damn, in my opinion, it's all hackneyed and divisive junk, and she's yet to answer a really hard question."

preceded by:

"I mean, Good Lord, man, it's a friggin' website. Get over it."

Someone needs to look in the mirror.

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Oh hey, kettle, it's you again.

Sorry, but I'm going to address the point that's brought up. Bob was more than happy to slap those comments on his diary there, and so I addressed them. You're the one who claimed I didn't care about how many people died in Iraq, rather than to take a slam against Hillary Clinton. I don't know what you're purpose is around here, sir; it seems to be to be purposefully antagonizing; and it's certainly not contributing to electing progressive Democrats or healing the rift in our party, nor convincing anyone to support your candidate.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

"You're the one who claimed I didn't care about how many people died in Iraq, rather than to take a slam against Hillary Clinton."

That doesn't sound even remotely like the kind of thing I would say to a contributor here.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're confusing me with someone else.  

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Nonsense.

You're trying to change the subject because the dominant narrative today and for the remainder of this contest will be how Barack Obama's never-ending fountain of controversy renders him politically radioactive.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

How do you get

"You're the one who claimed I didn't care about how many people died in Iraq"

out of

"Nonsense.

You're trying to change the subject because the dominant narrative today and for the remainder of this contest will be how Barack Obama's never-ending fountain of controversy renders him politically radioactive."?

I said that you didn't care about how many people died in Iraq?  No, I don't think so.  

:-O

Weird.

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

You implied my whole point was to refocus from the diary to remove the onus from my candidate, rather than to note the very real problem of the war.

Hence.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

ragekage and MBNYC are the two biggest kostrolls here.

by switching sides 2008-04-29 10:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Please use your "zero" rating with care! It is only for use on comments that are wholly content-free... Zero is for comments that are offensive, script-generated, or otherwise content-free and intended solely to abuse other readers.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Predictably, Bob mojo'd that. Wow. Kudos there, Bob.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 11:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

That's correct.

That's also completely different from saying "ragekage, you don't care about the war in Iraq," which is the distortion you attempted to attribute to me a few comments back.  

by BPK80 2008-04-29 11:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

That's what I got from your meaning, my friend. That was your first comment- oh, gee, you just want to deflect attention from Obama. Even if that's not what you intended to get across, it's how it came across.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 11:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

"You're changing the subject" is not tantamount to "You don't give a damn about the war in Iraq."

They're two entirely different claims.  

I did not say that you celebrated the Iraq war or that you were uncaring about the Iraq war.  If you somehow extracted that from my words, then I regret if your misinterpretation made you feel offended.  

by BPK80 2008-04-30 12:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Well, who's more at fault, the person who spoke in a manner to be misrepresented, or the person who misunderstood?

The answer there, of course, is whichever side I'm on is the right one. Duh.

;)

by ragekage 2008-04-30 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

"The answer there, of course, is whichever side I'm on is the right one."

At least you're honest about your disingenuous slant.  ;-)

by BPK80 2008-04-30 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Get over yourself punk

by zep93 2008-04-30 08:38AM | 0 recs
The first rule of communications is honesty! n/t

by bobswern 2008-04-29 09:46PM | 0 recs
Re: The first rule of communications is honesty! n

Which you obviously haven't learned.

But don't worry, I've taken care of this situation for you:

by ragekage 2008-04-29 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: The first rule of communications is honesty! n

You? Honest?

LMMFAO

by switching sides 2008-04-29 10:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The first rule of communications is honesty! n

Tell you what. Before I rate/report you based off the site guidelines, I'll give you a chance to justify that statement with some sort of objective evidence or proof.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:55PM | 0 recs
Re: The first rule of communications is honesty! n

Nothing? Didn't think so.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:58PM | 0 recs
Re: The first rule of communications is honesty! n

Wow, three minutes you gave me, gee what a guy.

I have a job, goofus.

by switching sides 2008-04-30 02:47AM | 0 recs
Re: The first rule of communications is honesty! n

You managed to respond to several other posts in that amount of time, and I didn't actually TR you until well afterwards. But hey, don't worry, your Clinton supporter friends showed up to save the day, since they don't care how you act as long as you support Clinton.

by ragekage 2008-04-30 07:59AM | 0 recs
WoW

How is this allowed to be up. A whole heaping plateful of call out. I'm sure your diary will be deleted, not.
http://www.dailykos.com/user/Drewid/comm ents

There, my dKos comment history if you'd like to wade through that, maybee you could update your wholely worthwhile diary.

by Drewid 2008-04-30 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Summary: Trawling an internet board for idiocy will always find some.

OMG!!!  My brain is exploded!!!

by username3 2008-04-29 09:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

I don't really see the point here, other than to be intentionally provocative.  Some people have problems with the site or criticisms of certain bloggers that they air elsewhere.  Is that about it?  If so, I expect future installments on comments made at OpenLeft, Hillaryis44, No Quarter, Free Republic, etc.

Also, what is the obsession with DailyKos?  It's become almost pathological around here.

by rfahey22 2008-04-29 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Righteous anger covers the pain of loss.

by username3 2008-04-29 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Well, self-righteous, anyways.

by username3 2008-04-29 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

That's probably true.  Dailykos did a lot of great things for the progressive community and a lot of people learned a lot and felt like a part of an important movement.

I can't blame people for being upset about what happened there.  

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Replace "Dailykos" with "MyDD" and "there" with "here" and your statement is no less true.

by username3 2008-04-29 10:22PM | 0 recs
I don't care what these people say

when they post here, much less what they say at dkos.  Do n0ot take this personally, but this is a petty pissing match. Can you just delete it and move on?

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-29 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't care what these people say

Thanks for the sentiment on deleting the diary, but doesn't the fact you don't care what anyone who disagrees with you says pretty telling?

by ragekage 2008-04-29 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't care what these people say

And in fairness, I try not to care what Clinton supporters say here when they post here.  It's as good a place as any to flame at each other for a few weeks while things get officially resolved.

by username3 2008-04-29 09:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

What's hypocritical about it? We all know that just about everyone at DKos views MyDD with disdain these days. Even the ones who still post here are only too happy to tell us how pathetic we -- and this blog -- have become. I hold no illusions that the Obama supporters who hang around here have any real respect or use for most of us. I think a lot of them are sick of their echo chamber, and I think some of them were here before this cycle began and are hoping things go back to normal soon.

That said, some of them behave decently enough here, and I'm not interested in what they're saying on DailyBarackos. Let them group us all together, let them call us racists and Republicans. Who gives a damn? A lot of people on MyDD sure spend a lot of their time stereotyping them, so it's not like we have a lot of room to talk here.

by sricki 2008-04-29 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!
here here.
i agree - bob who cares what they say over there?
by canadian gal 2008-04-29 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Well, it feeds our rage...

and without all our rage, we are still just a rat in a cage.

by username3 2008-04-29 10:09PM | 0 recs
All I'm saying is this...

...if you're going to come here to engage in honest communication, that's great.

But, don't get in my face with bullshit about this place, or by misrepresenting your intentions for your presence here, when your public comments elsewhere indicate otherwise.

A troll is a troll. Obfuscated or otherwise.

A troll is here to disrupt constructive dialogue, covertly or overtly.

If you're going to spend time at this place--a place you disrespect so much that you're to the point of discussing your disrespect of this place elsewhere--then what does that say about the intent of your presence here?

by bobswern 2008-04-29 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: All I'm saying is this...

i agree.  and when i see people bashing this community here i get irked as well.  but hey let it roll of your back!

by canadian gal 2008-04-29 10:36PM | 0 recs
Re: All I'm saying is this...

Those people aren't necessarily trolling, though, and some of them have actually been helpful. The ones who've been fair and respectful (some, if not all of the time) are good advocates for their candidate. Some of them aren't difficult to get along with. The segregation of Hillary and Obama supporters between MyDD and DKos isn't necessarily a good thing. We spend far too much time dehumanizing each other, and talking to Obama supporters civilly has reminded me that they're as human as I am. I'm grateful for their presence, and I would hate to see them leave.

by sricki 2008-04-29 10:43PM | 0 recs
Provocative? How about: accountable?

I just finished reading a freakin' REC'D diary here accusing this site of being racist...from someone who hates Hillary Clinton to the point of being on record as grossly misogynistic and a downright bigot, themselves?

I see great diaries, night after night here, trolled by folks that use the excuse that they're just contributing to the community, when in fact, their own comments elsewhere based upon face value--in and of themselves--indict them as trolls, plain and simple.

This diary is about honest communication versus obfuscated trollish behavior.

by bobswern 2008-04-29 09:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

I see great diaries, night after night here, trolled by folks that use the excuse that they're just contributing to the community

I see slack-witted pro-Hillary tripe, night after night here, promoted to the recommended list by folks that use the excuse that...

Oh, wait.  No excuse is necessary for that stuff here.

This comment is about graceful concession versus heated reality denial.

by username3 2008-04-29 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

No, this diary is about a one-man mission to obsess over DailyKos to the point of ridiculousness. I mean, how long did it take you to go through all of that shit and drum it up? I mean, Good Lord, man! And you can't even make true or honest points- again, my post as a prime example of that.

I knew you were obsessed before, when you spent hours trying to tie me to a half a dozen disparate other people that I wasn't, looking like a complete fool in the process?

The person it's most telling about is you, sir, you realize that?

Here, maybe this is more accurate-

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

LOL!

Now you're obsessed with the diarist!  It's like you just can't get over the fact that he posted this diary.  You probably spent more time trashing the diary than he did putting it together.  

Lots of <3's for internet weirdness.  Celebrate it, don't hate it.

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:13PM | 0 recs
You have no clue how annoying the Dkos

comment search is, this diary probably took 1-2 hours to put together (and he didn't even give all of the Obama supporters here a featured spot).  RK probably took 15 minutes in trashing it.

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: You have no clue how annoying the Dkos

I never used the comment search there so I'll take your word for it.

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:22PM | 0 recs
I was talking with someone there

about growing up on a farm (which I also did and it took me 5 minutes (with Comcast high speed internet to find the comment and I have a sparse comment record (I joined Dkos in the middle of March this year I joined here 1 week after).

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: I was talking with someone there

Ragekage is one of those nooberts who needs to post pics to get others to see his 'point'.

When all he needed was to take off his hat...

by switching sides 2008-04-30 02:50AM | 0 recs
Well I have used it

And it's not that difficult, nor time consuming. I doubt it took him 1-2 hours to put his together, unless he was OCD about grammar and punctuation.

Looks like some people are pissed that someone put two and two together and got the right answer: troll.

I agree whole heartedly with Bob. I started out on Dkos in 2004, for crying out loud, and I was driven away by the nastiness and intolerance of Obama supporters there. I do not go back to dKos to taunt or convince or do anything. (I peek from time to time when I smell a melt down) I don't care if Obama supporters support Obama. Good for them. Let them have fun with their primary season, fine. I do care that they are, with the rare exception, the biggest online assholes I have ever seen in the netroots. And they definitely changed my mind about how much power I want concentrated in the hands of such people.

by anna belle 2008-04-30 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

Uh huh. I spent all of sixty seconds writing that post. He obviously had to do a lot of research, since he had to rift through blog posts, find who was who (considering, for instance, I go by a different moniker at Kos), etc, etc.

Sorry, but that's one thing I can't stand, is to be attacked personally. You can disagree with my candidate, or opinions on policy and such, but you start to have issues with me, I'm gonna stand up for myself.

But as I mentioned before, I haven't seen you do anything around here but contribute to the demagoguery. But, hey, don't worry- at least we know there's someone approves of your behavior.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

"Sorry, but that's one thing I can't stand, is to be attacked personally."

followed by:

"But as I mentioned before, I haven't seen you do anything around here but contribute to the demagoguery."

In simpler terms,

[Personal attacks are bad]

followed by:

[A personal attack]

I regret that you dislike my perspective so much (based on only a very brief presence I've had here) and seem to dislike opinion pieces.  There's not much more I can say except that I assure you when we are fighting Republicans in the fall, you will find my shrill partisan side to be quite delightful.  

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

But that's not a personal attack against you- as bobswern seems to be doing; you could accuse me of demagoguery, and I would be able to show you I've made an honest effort to reach out to Clinton supporters, because I honestly believe there's no way we'll win unless it's together.

However, everytime I see you post, it's a slam on Obama hands-down, as if he could do no right ever, or against an Obama supporter. If I've mischaracterized your behavior, I'll be happy to admit to it- but that's what I see.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

You have a very convenient definition of what constitutes a personal attack.  I never called you a "demagogue[]."  I never "accuse[]" you of anything either.  

I don't have many positive things to say about Barack Obama.  I don't have a positive opinion of him.  I state my perspective.  

Frankly, I want a candidate I can advocate for wholeheartedly in the fall.  I will vote Dem regardless of the candidate's identity, but I know many people who won't vote for Obama.  (These people are not mythological creatures invented solely for the sake of argument).  

I shilled for John Kerry bigtime and hated it towards the end when his Mary Cheney bomb revealed to me that he was an opportunist who would sell out principle in a heartbeat.  I voted for him but I couldn't advocate for him well because it wasn't in my heart.  

Obama is not in my heart.

by BPK80 2008-04-29 11:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

ragekage...lol...please stop...my sides are hurting...

by switching sides 2008-04-30 02:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

rage - bob has a right to feel anyway he wishes.  but seriously - where do you guys have time in the day to have 2 accounts to post/read etc?  i barely have time with just the one.

but the pic just made me laugh out loud.

by canadian gal 2008-04-29 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Provocative? How about: accountable?

I don't. This is really stupid, because instead of arguing the points we're arguing about who posted what on which website, but if you want to take a look at how often I post at Kos versus here, you'll see I post at Kos if:

1) I write a diary here and think it could benefit them

  1. I write a diary about something going on here (like the debate we're doing)
  2. I need help from a bigger community of people who are interested in topics other than this primary war.

MyDD has been my home, and I wouldn't give it up for Kos in a heartbeat. I just don't get the obsession over it.

I suppose Bob can feel anyway he wishes, but this is ridiculous. I'd love to write a diary taking Alegre to task, for instance, but it's very specifically against the user guidelines on this website- but Bob can get away with this trite and unredeeming trash with no consequence.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 10:22PM | 0 recs
I'm in the smae boat as RK

Look at my diary history at both places and most of it is here (I cross post some but not terribly much), I look over there to get a larger picture (due to the larger community a more news filters through there than does here) and occaisonally comment.  I will say that it has gotten ugly there, tonight a poster named David HG had up a diary about  a certain Presidental candidate's secret service attachment calling that candidate a very derogatory name (all done anonymously).  I recced the people's comments saying to take down the diary and voted to have it taken down.

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:29PM | 0 recs
Actually, the pic's hilarious!

Rage's humor is sometimes pretty decent.

A self-described reconciliator, Rage is encouraging trollish behavior here by posting diaries on DKos that promote advance notice about discussions here.

Does this promote reconciliation, or is Rage starting up a lighter fluid concession?

Me thinks Rage doth protest too much.

by bobswern 2008-04-29 10:42PM | 0 recs
Actually that diary was cross posted later

than the diary here (i read it and recced it) if you are going to slam someone do your homework first.

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually, the pic's hilarious!

If you would have bothered to pay any attention, as I noted above, you would have seen I was trying to get them interested in a debate I wanted to stage here, in order to bridge this rift between our camps.

But heck, don't let the facts get in the way of your little hit-piece here.

by ragekage 2008-04-29 11:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually, the pic's hilarious!

hit piece...hehehehe.....

Rage stands TALL AGAINST PERSONAL ATTACKS...except when he's attacking...

by switching sides 2008-04-30 02:52AM | 0 recs
Oh noes

you didn't get all of the Obama supporters here in your wonderful compilation.  Maybe you should go over there and dig up some more, Markos will appreciate the ad revenue and the traffic so he can claim more page hits.

And I demand a spot in your rogues gallery!  Please dig through my comment history, you might find me complaining about Jerome's lack of objectivity, the George Wallace Diary and numerous other things, Please give me a spot, I feel slighted.

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:05PM | 0 recs
Wait I reread your

the people you have reccing comments and I am featured (hooray), I stand by my rec as trying to say that a Campaign spin site is the truth is dishonest, Archie Bunker probably not (though the fear card is in full effect), but the FactHub crap is dishonest.

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:08PM | 0 recs
Thank you for posting this.

I've been coming to MyDD for over 2 yrs now; it is the only national blog I patronize.  I read and occasionally comment on two of my state blogs and at the local newspaper politics blog.

Therefore, I only know from what is posted here about what goes on at DKos.

I'm probably not the only one, as many of us have many other priorities in our lives that require our time and physical and psychic energy.

Therefore, I wouldn't have known that those you cite are actually two-faced.  One in particular surprised me, since he has tried to portray himself as fair and high-minded.

We already know that some use other names here, and we have to deal with that.

I particularly find the chat room-type comments  a turn-off.  Some of these people must be like the stereotypes on SNL.

I'd like to stay with MyDD, but am open to info re a Dem. discussion site frequented by adults.

 

by susie 2008-04-29 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you for posting this.

Blogging is just as fun as it is productive.  Sometimes the fun/social aspect eclipses the mission, but the two aspects are always waxing and waning in opposition to one another.

After elections, people can get more serious because issues gain attention in place of campaigns.  At the height of campaign season, there's going to be a lot of news junkies looking for that quick fix; I'm not criticizing cause I do it sometimes.  After a big change in the status quo, I find it exciting to read the myriad different perspectives.  The info highway can be so overwhelming that we tend to short circuit in our haste.  

Once things calm down, I'd expect a more sober return to the norm.  

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:17PM | 0 recs
Come on Bobswern

Dig through my comments and find one that I made it would be fun and you could add another scalp to your imaginary wall...

I want a featured spot on your wall...

Please...

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Come on Bobswern

I disagree with the snark against the diarist but had to laugh at the "scalp" on the "imaginary wall" line.  

by BPK80 2008-04-29 10:32PM | 0 recs
Yeah I will admit I am a bit

over-the-top snarky tonight (trying to push fear on me does that), I'll settle down because I do that once someone tells me too.

by Student Guy 2008-04-29 10:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

They are in the anger phase and some are still in denial...

Give them a few days...

by DTaylor 2008-04-30 12:02AM | 0 recs
Come on DTaylor..

Use some snark to disagree with the Obama supporters, humor is a good thing.  After all didn't I do a good thing in catching the lies in the Denocratic Candidate diary by Trey Rentz which said (untruthfully) that the MI Republican Party was sponsoring Hillary Clinton, post a picture of what you think the Obama supporters are (but make it funny like a cat not serious like some people who say they/we are a cult)

Humor lowers the blood pressure and burns calories (in laughing).  How can it be wrong.

BTW best of luck to Hillary on Oreilly tomorrow...

by Student Guy 2008-04-30 12:20AM | 0 recs
Two new articles for your perusal:

Obama may win Hill superdelegate fight

Capitol Hill insiders say the battle for congressional superdelegates is over, and one Senate supporter of Barack Obama is hinting strongly that he has prevailed over Hillary Rodham Clinton.

GOP gives Clinton the silent treatment

From top to bottom, from McCain down to the youthful campaign and party staffers who work nearly around the clock to get him elected, the working assumption seems to be that the Democratic contest is over and Obama has won.

Even when Clinton attacks McCain, President Bush or GOP policies, the response is either outright silence or snarky, dismissive ridicule about a failed campaign barely relevant enough to merit a response.

One thing about the Republicans... They're much better at math than many here.

by Bob Johnson 2008-04-30 04:01AM | 0 recs
What a bizarre diary.

It's like when someone (usually a troll) takes the comments off-topic into a pissing match with one or more other commenters.  I used to see it at AirAmerica's blog all the time where nested comments would have so many tiers from sniping back and forth that each line had only one word. 'You're an asshole'  'No you're an asshole' 'No really, it's you who's the asshole'  'Uh-uh, I'm sure it's you'  etc.

And now someone started a whole diary that has no purpose but to call out other diarists and commenters.  Am I in the Twilight Zone or something?

by GFORD 2008-04-30 12:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

You know, there are real problems in this world and you're worrying about this?

by politicsmatters 2008-04-30 03:44AM | 0 recs
I have two words for you:

Clean

diaper

by Bob Johnson 2008-04-30 03:57AM | 0 recs
Absolutely.

And let me add further to my remarks in that MyDD is attracting racist bigots and obvious freepers. Now, on most Progressive blogs, these get routinely banned, because even the slightest tint of racism disqualifies anyone from participating in a community like this. The "affirmative action candidate"? Comments about black crime rates? Trolls that disparage black anger over the Tuskegee experiment? Really?

Then, there's the rightwing extremism. Multiple diaries about Bill Kristol's NYT op-eds. Claims that Fox Noise is indeed fair and balanced. That republican anti-Democrat ad from NC glowingly described because it's also anti-Obama. People getting described as America-haters, leftwing extremists and whatever other freeper frame comes to mind. The list goes on.

It's not even about Clinton and Obama. It's about the kind of discourse that's considered appropriate in a Progressive community.

by MBNYC 2008-04-30 04:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Absolutely.

This little offering is a perfect example of Kos thought. Any discussion of race as an issue in American politics is completely off limits although MBNYC doesn't seem to realize it's one of the great fault lines in US society. Any mention of Bill Kristol (who is indeed one of the most malign influences in US politics today) are verboten because we are giving aid and comfort to the enemy. We might as well say we can't mention Joe McCarthy. The mis characterisation of comments. No one praised the Republican ad in NC they pointed out entirely legitimately that this is the sort of tactic that is going to be used in the general. This is so obvious you'd have thought it hardly needed saying but apparently it does. This little quote says it all really
  "It's about the kind of discourse that's considered appropriate in a Progressive community."

In other words forget the first amendment WE'LL decide what's appropriate. And these people call themselves democrats. In realilty they are Stalinists.  

 

by ottovbvs 2008-04-30 05:19AM | 0 recs
Eh.

So much fail in such a compressed space endangers the space-time continuum, otto.

Any discussion of race as an issue in American politics is completely off limits

Yes, that's exactly what I said. Because any discussion about race in America desperately needs to include the view that blacks are wrong to remember the Tuskegee experiment.

In realilty they are Stalinists.  

Absolutely. Please inform us via our convenient contact form which Gulag preference you'd like to register.

by MBNYC 2008-04-30 05:33AM | 0 recs
I feel so left out.

No quotes of MY posts!  I even did a text search.  Nada.  Zip.

I'll pretend you called me out and respond, okay?  

I come here and I go to other forums.  In fact, I've been doing it a lot longer than almost all of you.  I have User Id of 1167.  I try to obey the rules here, and I try to obey them at other places, but I feel no obligation to be loyal to MyDD when I'm on another forum, and, likewise, I don't think people here should feel an obligation to be loyal to Dkos when they're posting here.  Sometimes, when you want to go meta, you gotta go somewhere else.  

And, really, right now, MyDD is a MESS.  I've said it here before.  It's an ugly trainwreck, and it's the main reason I have boosted my activity here, because I LOVE ugly trainwrecks, from a voyeuristic perspective.  And with that said, I must applaud the diary author for having made the trainwreck even more entertaining for me today.  This is like a pie train colliding with a clown train.  

To review, you have become so insanely petty that you have gone to DKos to scrounge for posts criticizing MyDD and mocking the growing and obvious insanity of this place.  Then you posted them here for what reason?  Those of us on both forums (and that includes you, obviously) know what is being said.  People on MyDD trash Dkos (THE BIG ORANGE SATAN) on a daily basis here.  The fact that many people here are "on strike" (ha ha ha, ya got me quivering now) doesn't distract from the fact that cross-pollination has been going on for years between the two forums.  With "The Strike," the meta-trashing has just been raised to a new level.

And you're offended by some posts on DailyKos?  Jesus man.  Get a fucking grip!  

Okay.  I've had my laugh for the day.  I'm over my recommended daily allowance.  Please, next time, paste something I said so I don't feel left out.

by Dumbo 2008-04-30 05:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

Basically Kos has got more and more like the nut factory over the past couple of years. Basically it's because of the way the system works which has allowed a little Soviet to seize control of the dialogue. Any dissent is as ruthlessly suppressed as it was in Stalinist Russia. The range of opinions expressed their essentially on the far left of the Democratic debate and in he main they are as crazy as those on the far right of the Republican party. In fact in many cases you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. I've seen comments there about Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and Bill Clinton that would have looked totally at home on Redstate. As this diarist points out most of the extremism here such as accusations of racism etc. comes from the same people who post similar stuff at Kos.

by ottovbvs 2008-04-30 05:10AM | 0 recs
They're all Marxists!

Or something.

by grass 2008-04-30 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Kossacks say the darnedest things!

I left Kos because there was no more rhyme and reason in the discussion over there.

The main theme of Kos is to wield a personal attack on HRC, and against HRC supporters.  

Life is too short to be arguing with narrow-minded people.  I wouldn't worry too much about Kos if I were you.  Just left it rotten in its own craps.   There is a better thing to do.

by JoeySky18 2008-04-30 05:22AM | 0 recs

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