Chauvinism, Misogyny and Racism

I find it most interesting that Webster's defines chauvinism as: n. absurdly exaggerated patriotism; blind enthusiasm for a cause. [Fr., Nicolas Chauvin]

And, Webster's defines misogyny as: n. hatred of women. [Gk. miseein, to hate; gune, a woman]

Lastly, Webster's defines racism: n. animosity shown to peoples of different race. [It. razza]

I believe it's fair to say that no self-respecting Democratic/Progressive blog tolerates racism. There have been rants here and elsewhere in the blogosphere that Clinton supporters, by default (of their support of Clinton's candidacy), support racism. This simply is grossly unfair and fictitious equivocation. And, even some of the most diehard Obamaphiles, including Obama and his closest surrogates, themselves, have come out in recent weeks to acknowledge that neither Hillary Clinton nor the vast majority of her supporters are any more racist than Barack Obama and the vast majority of his supporters. While I'm a Hillary supporter, I believe both Obama and Clinton speak truth as far as this is concerned. This is truth!

Truth is when someone says something and it is repeated in context, and verbatim and demonstrated and/or verified as such via a replay of a broadcast (audio or video), or by other factual means (quotes provided factually, written and in context, etc).

But, I'm seeing something happening on certain other blogs right now--as the campaign fervor intensifies even more than it has to date--which gives me great cause for concern with regard to the modulation of volume as far as clearly self-evident chauvinism and misogyny are concerned. And, here it is, perhaps best exemplified on the top page of DailyKos right now, by a subsidized front-pager there, DHinMI.

If Markos' has any sense of propriety, I would hope he'd seriously consider removing this author's rants from his domain immediately. Here's the commentary in question (writing about the comments to this quoted diary is not what my diary's about), I'm talking about blatant bigotry being endorsed and outright promoted, directly, by a supposedly Democratic blog. Note DHinMI's comments and, paticularly, his headline. You decide. (I already have); that's why I'm posting this. Here it is, verbatim:

Bill Clinton Seeks Third Presidential Term (and Loophole to 22nd Amendment)
by DHinMI
Sat Apr 26, 2008 at 11:41:25 AM EDT

Bill refuses to get off the stage:

Dubbed the "Billification" of Sen. Clinton's campaign by some insiders, Mr. Clinton has become something of a strategist-in-chief in recent weeks. He has been pushing for harder and sharper attacks on Sen. Obama. While she has jabbed her opponent over his "elitist" tone and controversial statements by his former pastor, Mr. Clinton delivers his own slams on the stump, calling Obama ads misleading.

The former president says he's in uncharted territory. "Being the spouse is more difficult than when I was the candidate," he says in a brief interview. "When you're running, you're out there driving every day. But when you're the spouse, you feel more protective. It's much harder."

Mr. Clinton has placed several of his own aides at headquarters, including his former lawyer and a bevy of strategists. Known as a bad loser, Mr. Clinton privately buttresses his wife's drive to push on, telling her, according to aides: "We're not quitters."

On his own daily message calls, advisers say, he implores: "We've got to take him on every time." At the Clintons' Washington, D.C., home recently, these people say, he reviewed possible TV spots and told ad makers to be more hard-hitting, faster and harsher.

Mr. Clinton also told the campaign to double the number of his daily appearances. "Look at this schedule -- you've got me down for four events," he said the week before Pennsylvania's primary, according to one operative. "Give me six, eight a day. Get me to the suburbs where I can make a difference."

Hillary Clinton won't be the nominee, but a small part of me wishes she would have won and then become President to see her and Bill fight for the microphone to answer those questions shouted out to "President Clinton." 

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I could provide a litany of examples from DKos, from 11 diaries posted a few weeks ago concerning Randi Rhodes' comments about Clinton; outright endorsement of Keith Olbermann's recent sexist soliloquies, and so forth. But, why bother? Especially when there's something new on the front-page over there on a continual basis to directly (not via inference, or providing something out of context or on a rhetorical basis) support my comments here.

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?

Tags: 2008 Democratic Presidential Primary, Blogosphere, meta (all tags)



So dKos is sexist and MyDD is racist.

Got it.  Thanks for moving beyond petty politics.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-26 11:33AM | 0 recs
This is why dkos has no credibility

Here we have a capitol hill staffer--dihimin--paid to do the worst kind of hatchet job on the clintons you can imagine.

Ignore them, don't feed the beast.

by 4justice 2008-04-26 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: This is why dkos has no credibility


Quoting an article from the WSJ and adding

Hillary Clinton won't be the nominee, but a small part of me wishes she would have won and then become President to see her and Bill fight for the microphone to answer those questions shouted out to "President Clinton."  

is the "worst kind of hatchet job" you can imagine?

Did you miss the actual hatchet jobs during the 90's?

by bawbie 2008-04-26 11:47AM | 0 recs
It's April 26th, 2008. Be here now. n/t

by bobswern 2008-04-26 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: It's April 26th, 2008. Be here now. n/t


by bawbie 2008-04-26 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: It's April 26th, 2008. Be here now. n/t

Oh.  I forgot.  All sins from the 90's are forgiven.  Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon-Scaife are Hillary's friends and the progressive activist Democratic party base is the enemy.

Or in other words, my old enemy is the enemy of my new enemy, so they are my friends.

And we have always been at war with Eastasia.

by bawbie 2008-04-26 12:25PM | 0 recs
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People are jerks on both sides. They are racists that are Clinton supporters, and chauvinists that are Obama supporters. Luckily, we all seem to know who the assholes are and can get rid of them/ignore them.

I looked up that article; whatever. I can be against Clinton for a variety of reasons, but that's stupid. There was an email circulating awhile back (mid 2007) that said that Clinton was running just so she could make Bill VP, then step down. Gimme a break.

Though I don't know if I'd chalk it up to chauvinism rather than stupidity. Mojo and rec for you anyway, bob, put a tip jar out.

On another note, I don't get why everyone here is so worked up about Kos. I found out about Kos and MyDD at the same time, and I've always considered this my community... so when these Kos comments are made, I get confused sometimes. Who cares about Kos?

by ragekage 2008-04-26 11:36AM | 0 recs
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by interestedbystander 2008-04-26 11:42AM | 0 recs
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People personalize their feelings about gender in a way they don't about race. We all have women we're close to and when we yearn to deny them something based on how we perceive women should act or be treated, we see that yearning within the context of our own hierarchy of needs - meaning, our personal needs are the filter, not the intellectual paradigm necessary to understand the bigotry involved.

It's much harder to objectify someone who is physicially capable of punching you in the nose and comfortably surviving your response.

by Little Otter 2008-04-26 11:42AM | 0 recs
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Funny now we never discuss how important working class white women are to the election in the fall.  They just dont appear to matter to BO supporters and we had a thread today suggesting that after the way HRC has been treated they are just going to come back to BO in the Fall.  

And if you look at the polls from both OH and PA you will see this voting group is the one that is hardening it's views of BO and let me tell you why.

These are older women voters who have had many experiences being pushed aside by less qualified, less experienced, younger men for jobs and promotions for many reasons some justified and most not justified.  And now they see their candidate, the first women who could be president, pushed aside by a younger, less experienced man whose campaign has actively (at least in their opinion) demeaned her and tried to deminish her accomplishments.  

But come Nov BO supporters think these voters will come to there senses and vote for BO. Well i hate to say this but BO has some work to do.  And if BO picks someone else other than HRC for VP these voters will say more of the same and Men always cut in fromt of the line of women.  Lets all assume many of these voters will go McCain in the fall.


by giusd 2008-04-26 11:44AM | 0 recs
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Is it misogyny to require that someone be accountable for her own statements?

Here is what Hillary said about the contest in Michigan on that youtube clip above:

"I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything."

And let's not forget what Terry McAuliffe said in his book:

"I'm going outside the primary window," [Michigan Sen. Carl Levin] told me definitively.
"If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses," I said. "We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost."

He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.

"You won't deny us seats at the convention," he said.

"Carl, take it to the bank," I said. "They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it."

We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it.

[Source: McAuliffe, Terry. What A Party!, p. 325.]

by AtTheZoo2136 2008-04-26 11:56AM | 0 recs
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I agree and you make my point.  The women is a liar so the young less experience guy should get the job she wants.  Because the women is a liar.  And you will decide this and you pass judgement on this.  Thanks for making my point.

Nuf said.


by giusd 2008-04-26 12:11PM | 0 recs
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I think the point is not that she's a liar (whether that is true or not) but that she is more of a typical politician, willing to say anything that is politically convenient.  Now, I'm not going to pretend that Obama is perfect or that he never does this, but I see him doing it a lot less than her.  He's just less of a typical politician than her.  

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-26 12:54PM | 0 recs
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I will agree this much: While racism is pretty much reviled in public speach, misogyny is relatively tolerated; so to that degree Obama's misogynistic supporters feel (relatively) free to speak openly in misogynistic terms, those with racist leanings on the Clinton side are less free to air them publicly.

That said, I think it exists amongst supporters of both sides, but I don't think it represents the views of either candidate.

The job of all self-respecting Democrats /Progressives is to not tolerate this speech from either side, and to not conflate the messages of rabid partisans/disingenuous GOPers with the messages coming from the parties.

In addition, we have a responsibility not to be too sensitive - don't twist everything to be racist/sexist, for this makes us as bed as those saying it.

by Mandoliniment 2008-04-26 12:02PM | 0 recs
Blog-owners have responsibilities, too...

...and, the greater their audience, the greater their responsibility. (At least those that maintain some sense of dedication and diligence to their respective mission statements, IMHO.)

by bobswern 2008-04-26 12:05PM | 0 recs
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I've seen misogyny on this blog and throughout the media.  I'm sorry, I just don't see it in the post by DHinMI.

by reggie23 2008-04-26 12:04PM | 0 recs
Perhaps you're making my point for me. n/t

by bobswern 2008-04-26 12:06PM | 0 recs
Which is?

Alright, I'm stupid, thats fine.  Please explain to me why the diary is misogynistic?

by reggie23 2008-04-26 12:12PM | 0 recs
The headline of it says it all.

The irony of the piece is that DHinMI says very little. But, even in his own few words, his chauvinism and misogyny come through loud and clear, like they have in many of his other posts.

Or, do you feel it's appropriate to treat Hillary Clinton's candidacy as an (subservient) afterthought to the fact that her husband was president? (Apparently, the fact that you're desensitized to this mentality--as are so many others--is truly mind-boggling.)

I've seen so much of this over DKos for so many months, it's really quite disgusting. Perhaps one of my favorites was when he chose a diarist to be front-paged who was most noted for saying something to the effect of: "The only reason why Hillary has a shot at becoming President is because she's married to one." (Does this seem "fair" to you, for it to be endorsed and considered commonplace and legitimate commentary on one of the most highly-trafficked, supposedly Progressive blogs?)

by bobswern 2008-04-26 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The headline of it says it all.

Hillary chose to run her campaign with the primary focus on her "experience", which seemed to most people I know as a direct reference to "my husband was president".

She repeatedly takes personal credit for the successes of the first Clinton administration.

She could have based her campaign on anything else, her healthcare expertise, her wonkish policy discussion, her charisma, her plans for the country.

But no, she based it on "35-years of experience" (over half as first-lady of a state or the country) and "ready on day 1", which is also a direct allusion to the fact that she has already spent 8 years in the White House.

She is the one who feels its appropriate to treat (her) candidacy as a subservient afterthought to the fact that her husband was president.

by bawbie 2008-04-26 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: The headline of it says it all.

No, I believe Hillary is a talented and dedicated politician who happens to be married to a former president of the United States.  If the diary says anything, its says Bill Clinton can't seem to step out of the spotlight or shut up and always seems to stick his foot in his mouth. But in no way does the quote of fighting over a microphone show misogyny.  It makes fun of Bill if anything else.  Now I don't agree with the "no shot of president because she's married to one." Just as I didn't agree with Obama being called lucky because he's black.  As I stated, I know there's plenty of misogyny on this site and throughout the media.  And I haven't read anything else from the diarist, just the diary you've posted.  And maybe your knowledge of the composition of this diarist's work leads you believe that he/she was being misogynistic.  But sorry, from my prospective, a quote of them fighting over a microphone is a dig that Bill will have problems taking a second seat to Hillary.  And throughout this primary, Bill hasn't proven that quote wrong.  

by reggie23 2008-04-26 12:46PM | 0 recs
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I have to be honest.

I don't like DHinMI or Dailykos itself that much anymore, but I don't think the diary you posted by DHinMI was misogynist.  

I understand there exists a notion that because Hillary is Bill's husband, to suggest she's merely his proxy undercuts her humanity and demeands her both as a person as a woman.  I think there are some who do say things that touch on this theme and do it in a crude way.  But the diary above that was quoted didn't strike me as all that bad.  I've seen so much worse on that site.

The one that bothers me the most I think is "put a fork in her."  I used to see that at least once a day.

Honestly, the best solution to that site is to ignore it.  It thrives on attention, either positive or negative; it's all the same.  

by BPK80 2008-04-26 12:29PM | 0 recs
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You honestly see "put a fork in her" as a misogynist statement?  You realize that's used all the time in reference to sports teams, boxers, male candidates, etc.  I feel like there is a much more reasonable argument to make about Obama's "periodically" statement than any of this stuff.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-26 12:59PM | 0 recs
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See below.  The fork thing isn't sexist.  

by BPK80 2008-04-26 02:39PM | 0 recs
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Lets see bobswern.  I say I don't think the diary is misogynistic, you tell me that I proved your point and that I'm desensitized to the misogynistic mentality.  BPK doesn't think its misogynistic and you mojo him/her.  I guess that's the difference between being a Clinton supporter and an Obama supporter.  

by reggie23 2008-04-26 01:01PM | 0 recs
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I may have been unclear, forgive me.

I don't think "Put a Fork In Her" is sexist.  It just bothers me to talk about candidates like corpses.  I should have clarified that I was speaking on a different tangent.  

The fork thing is crude, but not misogynist.  

by BPK80 2008-04-26 02:36PM | 0 recs
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Oh know BPK, thats fine, no need to apologize.  In fact I mojo'd you earlier for the first part of your comment.  I was just a little peeved at Bob because he talked down to me for saying I  didn't think the diary was misogynist then mojo'd you while making the same comment.  Actually, you're one of the more reasonable Hillary supporters on this blog.      

by reggie23 2008-04-26 06:01PM | 0 recs
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This is kind of my point from above -there's nothing misogynistic about "put a fork in her." It's a common turn of phrase used for both genders - "stick a fork in him/her, he/she's done."

Google "a fork in her" - 19,200 hits
Google "a fork in him" - 30,300 hits.

That's as close to even as one can get.

By all means, when people say something that is truly discriminatory, call them on it fast and hard. But do be careful of confirmation bias; we tend to see the things we're looking for.

by Mandoliniment 2008-04-26 01:08PM | 0 recs
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See above.

I was unclear; the fork comment bothers me in a different way than sexism.  You're right that it is not sexist.  It's just an ugly way a comparing candidates to corpses that I don't like.  

by BPK80 2008-04-26 02:37PM | 0 recs
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I don't see mysoginy in this diary. Maybe a little chauvinism by our former President. A man who doesn't think a woman of suppossedly strong character, can think for herself, and needs him to micromanage a campaign. Every once in a while the Hillary supporters like to play the "woman card" like Hillary is some sort of sacred cow in a bad pants suit. Well it seems her husband is playing the chauvinistic card, ala Archie Bunker, "I know better than you honey, now you just sit down and I'll take care of everything. At 3 in the morning who would Putin rather speak to Bill or Hillary Clinton.

by johnny sexton 2008-04-26 01:12PM | 0 recs
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When the phone rings at 3 in the morning I hope it is answered by someone who knows where the phone is as opposed to someone who is still trying to find their way around if you get what I mean.  

by Pat J 2008-04-26 01:33PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, but at least he won't have to reach over the First Lady, and whatever intern's the she's doin that night. If you get what I mean.

by johnny sexton 2008-04-26 01:47PM | 0 recs


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