Netroots laugh at Junior

Anyone on MyDD with a user ID less than 5000 realizes that Donnie Fowlwer doesn't get it. Fowler was implicated in the Flaming Dog Shit Scandal. So what does he do, he keeps talking at the netroots -- then he runs. Consider the complete content of his last three posts:

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Fowler keeps talking at us instead of interacting with us. So I am going to once again publish the unofficial blogosphere Q&A with Junior...this time with pictures.

QUESTION:MySteve:

What about minority outreach?"

ANSWER:Maxwell:

I have a little trouble fully committing to someone like Fowler who make such gross errors of fact as this:

Whether marching under the banner of the Tories (Revolutionary War), the Democrats (Civil War), or the Republicans (civil rights movement), conservatives have consistently resisted progress that we now consider obvious and natural:

The Republicans were the natural allies of the Civil Rights Act, and voted 27-6 to pass it through the Senate. It was Southern Democrats who resisted it...22 in the Senate and 96 in the House. This was the seminal event that restructured political affiliations along demographic lines among Democrats, and resulted in the exodous of many party members over the next decades.

If Fowler misunderstands one of the most fundamental events in modern Democratic Party history, I'm worried about him becoming the operational and very public voice of the party.

QUESTION:Josh Koenig:

I'm curious how you'd see the National party working (if at all) to revitalize state-level organizations.

ANSWER:Emptywheel:

In short, if the MI campaign is an example of what Donnie Fowler's DNC would be like, I want out. Here are some gripes:

I was the precinct/ward organizer for one of the medium-large counties in MI. You'd think, as a grassroots organizer for one of the must-win areas in MI, I'd have heard from you, or at least known that you valued my work and that you were listening to my good ideas.

But you see, the volunteers who ran our grassroots never attended one of the state meetings. Nor did we see you locally (suffice it to say we're accessible to both Lansing and Detroit). The people who attended meetings were the paid people--some might call them consultants, part of that aristocracy you claim to want to get rid of.

I don't really care that I wasn't invited to meetings--I was spending 10-60 hours a week volunteering, I didn't need more meetings (although I think it belies your claim for inclusion at every level).

But I do care that every time we tried to do something at a local level because IT MADE SENSE, we either had to lie, subject our paid staffers to berating in those weekly meetings, or just try to fudge the numbers. That is, not only did the MI coordinated campaign NOT listen to local leaders, it forced local leaders to manipulate the system in order to do what we knew to be right.

Now I'm willing to see you provide proof that you can change--that your leadership of the DNC would be different from what I saw in MI. But barring that I really can't see throwing you a lot of support. You talk a good talk. But your proven record doesn't match that talk, at least not from the perspective of this local grassroots leader.

QUESTION:desmoulins:

I'm all for reforming the party nationally and at state level but I wonder what the new reformed party will look like that is different from how it functions today.

ANSWER:BigDog04:

Fowler is trouble not for any obvious policy or reform reasons, in my judgment, but because he's incompetent in my opinion. All he succeeded in the Clark Campaign was to insure chaos and an unprepared candidate with astoundingly weak staffing...which just compounded the errors.

Imagine a nascent, last minute Presidential Campaign with an inexperienced political candidate, (who has the ENTIRE Media Spotlight, a compelling history with substantive viewpoints, significant strategic strengths against the Republican Machince) yet the first non-pro Press Secretary and Campaign Manager Fowler don't prepare the candidate for the most obvious of questions about Iraq?

I'm not a highly paid professional political operative...but I guarantee that conversation and role-play would have taken place where I or any other of hundreds of experienced politcal types in charge.

Why do you think he was on the Clark Campaign such a short period of time? Let's see....Wes Clark madee his decision late in the afternoon on September 15, 2003, announced on Sept 17, 2003 and Fowler resigned October 8, 2003. Why is his presidential campaign chairmanship even mentioned?

Leaving while publicly claiming to have been championing the 'rights' of the Draft Movement participants, the reality is that he was asked to take a secondary role...and he petulantly picked up his toys...went home AND TALKED TO THE PRESS ABOUT IT!

That wasn't loyal professional political technique then or now.

QUESTION:Norm:

You were the National Field Director for Gore 2000. You state you worked in both Iowa and New Hampshire that year. In Donna Brazile's recent book she has a story about election day for the New Hampshire primary. Basically, she writes that after the Gore campaign discovered that Senator Bill Bradley was leading in the exit polls, the Gore campaign helped cause a traffic jam during rush hour in areas of New Hampshire that were trending heavily for Bradley. Essentially, she wrote this off as something like "alls fair in love and war." Michael Whouley I think has also told similar stories. Vice President Gore ended up barely defeating Senator Bradlay in NH. My question to you, Mr. Fowler, is this: what role did you play in any discussions about causing a traffic jam to block Bardley voters from getting to the polls? Were you involved in any such discussions, and if so, how do you explain this attempt to block voters getting to the polls with all of the Democratic rhetoric is 2000 about voting in Florida and 2004 in Ohio?

ANSWER:wmtriallawyer:

He was national field director for Gore/Liberman. In other words, he was the guy in charge of ensuring all D voters in the U.S. were targeted, called, cajoled, and brought to the polls.

If he did his job in Tennessee (Gore's home state), Arkansas (Big Dog's home state), West Virginia (traditional D state before Rove got to it), Ohio, Florida, etc., etc., we wouldn't be here moaning over W.

Some field director. And now he wants to run the party? Mmmm, no thanks...

QUESTION:Rayne:

I'll be real blunt here: I saw more organization in my county here in Michigan from MoveOn and from the Sierra Club than I did the Democratic Party.

Frankly, I can't see what the impediments were towards making any of the so-called "innovative programs" work in Michigan during this last campaign. If MoveOn could do them, why weren't they already implemented?

If this didn't get done at state level, what's to say they'll get done at national?

ANSWER:BigDog04:

This is vintage Donnie F. He makes a great sales job to GET the job..then blows it because of a lack of real skill.

This interchange says a lot more about a lack of ability to work with people than it does anything else.

Whatever else the new DNC Chair does...he/she must be able to work with people who really disagree with them...and still make progress towards a greater goal. Fowler has NEVER shown a bit of success at a high level in his work.

QUESTION:Andrew C White:

I also wonder about your statement here...

"raise money through traditional means and recognize value of new donors"

What do you mean by that? "traditional means"? Is this a poorly worded statement or are you sending an anti-internet and small-donor message? That's the way it sounds but I doubt you really meant it that way. Care to take a moment to clarify?

ANSWER:BigDog04:

And I have, after hearing a participant in a DFA training tell me how Fowler said "he" knew the secrets of the online campaign revolution, even less respect. Bah. Lots of Dean people should have stood up and stoned him in that meeting...much less the Draft Movement folks that took the online campaign to a new place too and worked it as hard as they could.

As one activist has already told me:

"If Fowler become DNC Chair...I'm gone. The Party is hopeless."

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Comments

40 Comments

Propaganda
Make up answers, Bob.  Why do you not post under your real name when you spread dirt for the campaign you helped raise money for?
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 04:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
I've been open with my support for Dean and Rosenberg.
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
You've been selectively open about your support. Your support for Dean is theoretical, and your support for Rosenberg overt. Your postings on the ASDC thread re: using the cover of being open to a second candidate apply here.

'Oh, you're guy is my second choice. He's great but can't do it. Why don't you support my guy?'

by fng 2005-01-31 05:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
He has been a conduit for posting oppo research on the web.  I wonder where he gets it?
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
I know how to format a hyperlink, I show where I find information. Get a clue, you Fowler hacks wouldn't get it if daddy wrapped it up and gave it to you for your birthday.
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
I can as well ... always follow the money.
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
Yeah, those blogger acounts are expensive. Raising money and affording blogger...what a drain.
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
No, it gets to your motivation to make up a conversation that never happened, your failure to disclose your ties up front.

Pathetic and flailing.

by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
If you don't want people to see my Q&A, then why have you posted so many comments? Now everybody will read it. What is this, amateur hour?

You are my fiddle.

by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
I got the 24 oz. instead of the 16 oz. this morning. I'm wired and bored...
by fng 2005-01-31 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Propaganda
Everyone that reads this will know waht a fraud you are.
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:37AM | 0 recs
get a clue
The people who read this (which will be quite a few thanks to all your comments) will consider all of the arguments made by the bloggers quoted. And they'll laugh at Donnie. Cause Donnie Fowler is as useless as a fat blind kid playing in a dodgeball game...
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: get a clue
Stay in the gutter.
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: get a clue
keep avoiding the issues
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:52AM | 0 recs
Re: get a clue
your ethics are the issue on this childish posting
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:59AM | 0 recs
If Fowler is Crowned
I'm heading to Democracy for America to set up an automatic monthly donation.  The DNC won't get my money or any of my time.

I agree with you that there have been too many questions raised about Donnie's past performance and few, if any, answers beyond "Sorry you feel like I ran over your dog" or some such bullshit.

I agree with the statement above: He makes a great sales job to GET the job..then blows it because of a lack of real skill.

by KimPossible 2005-01-31 04:57AM | 0 recs
Re: If Fowler is Crowned
I'm guessing Donnie will continue to screw up his campaign for Chair like he's screwed up most of his jobs.
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: If Fowler is Crowned
Why did you push answers critical of you down the page, Bob?
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:06AM | 0 recs
Re: If Fowler is Crowned
Fuck you, asshole.

You're using Dean's 'foramerica' bullshit in your handle, but I CHECKED your comments.  Your first comment and your last comment were responding to and defending Donnie.

You signed up here for this race and are trying to destroy Dean.

Fuck you, you lying shitbag.  We need a real reformer, Howard Dean, not some daddie's boy.

by CentrismIsForLosers 2005-01-31 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: If Fowler is Crowned
I am not.  I like Dean and think DFA is one of the few organizations that emerged last year that actually works.  I love the passion that his supporters have.

I am not trying to destroy anyone.  I really don't have that power.  And I believe that all Democrats have a stake in America, no matter who they support.

I am not sure why you feel the need to engage with that language.  And I have not lied.  But blogswarm has.

by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:52AM | 0 recs
Donnie answered questions directly
Why did you chose to ignore that?  You are a liar and engage in propaganda Bob.  If we did not already know that you are a consultant and a lobbyist we would guess that you were a freeper.
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 04:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
I'm not running for anything. I'm not the issue. Respond to the arguments, not the messenger. Damn, you guys really don't get it...
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
I get that you are posting propaganda.  Creating a conversation that never took place.  That is what this discussion should be about, Bob.  Your lack of ethics.
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
No, but you are co-hosting fundraisers for one of the other candidates.
by fng 2005-01-31 05:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
No. I haven't go-hosted any fundraiser. When a candidate comes to my town, I'll talk about the event. The last fundraiser I co-hosted was for the DNC last summer. We raised good cash, but I won't be doing events like that in the future unless we get a real chair.
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
We don't need activists that cannot type or think they can go-host an event, either.
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
So, With Sacramento a short 90 minutes from SF, and in the town where the Regional meeting was being held, you don't advertise for Dean, your second choice, when he had a non-DNC breakfast for supporters?

http://www.theunion.com/article/20050124/NEWS/101240136

by fng 2005-01-31 05:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
Not when I won't be there because I'm car-pooling with other Dean supporters.

I love this oppo approach of trying to out posters instead of dealing with the issue. You Fowler fools are really class acts.

by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
Bob, head off to other outlets for your "classy" lies.  From now on, just disclose that one of the candidates got your website off the ground at that you like to post under a number of names.
by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
I don't check my personal politics at the door when I take a client and I'm not working for anyone in the DNC Race. But thanks for bashing a poster instead of dealing with the argument, no wonder people keep saying Fowler doesn't get it.
by Bob Brigham 2005-01-31 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
Uh, bloggy, you're really the only one screaming that he doesn't get it.
by fng 2005-01-31 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
Fuck you, asshole.

You're using Dean's 'foramerica' bullshit in your handle, but I CHECKED your comments.  Your first comment and your last comment were responding to and defending Donnie.

You signed up here for this race and are trying to destroy Dean.

Fuck you, you lying shitbag.

by CentrismIsForLosers 2005-01-31 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
I am not.  I like Dean and think DFA is one of the few organizations that emerged last year that actually works.  I love the passion that his supporters have.

I am not trying to destroy anyone.  I really don't have that power.  And I believe that all Democrats have a stake in America, no matter who they support.

by fightforamerica 2005-01-31 05:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Donnie answered questions directly
Oh, the profanity!
Do you french(I mean freedom)-kiss your mother with that mouth?
by Alex Urevick 2005-01-31 06:00AM | 0 recs
Well this is certainly an interesting diary
I was initially willing to give Fowler the benefit of the doubt. I think I am coming around to blogswarm's point of view, although I'm probably not quite as strident about my opposition.

blogswarm has been posting here and at dkos long enough that most of us are aware of his secret identity. I'm not totally sure exactly what his relationship is to ttagaris or Matt Stoller and I don't really care. One strike against Fowler in my book was Zephyr Teachout's endorsement of Fowler.

My biggest concern is his ties to the DNC and his father's dynasty. Some people have raised similar concerns about Rosenberg, but it looks like he has made a reasonably clean break with the DLC, and that has probably worked against him. I've admitted I am not as informed about all the political connections as a lot of people.

I am reassured about Rosenberg by his support from the blogging community. Josh Marshall at TPM is reliable enough and informed enough about inside politics that Josh's endorsement and a few others (I don't recall them off the top of my head) give Rosenberg netroots credibility that Fowler lacks.

I also blogged Rosenberg at a Q&A in Sacramento /(Q&A in extended diary)/and have seen him on CSPAN. Rosenberg is a legitimate reform candidate and is the only acceptable alternative to Dean in my judgment.

I question how independent Fowler can be from his father's influence at the DLC. I also question some of his answers to questions that blogswarm has posted. Primarily I question his ability to appeal to and elevate the concerns of the grassroots above those of the Democratic apparatchiks. Frost, Roemer, Webb and Leland are all ABD candidates. Fowler probably is as well, even though he and his supporters may not see it that way.

Fowler has indicated he was going to run "right up the middle", between Dean and Frost, as a consensus candidate. I'm not interested in a consensus candidate. Pelosi and Reid are at the vanguard of the ABD movement and I suspect they would control anybody except Dean and Rosenberg. The DLC is going to continue to be a force in the Democratic party no matter who is elected Chair of the DNC. They won't fade quietly into the night anytime soon.

Reform considerations aside, the DLC has made this a left/right ideological choice as well as a reform choice. Rosenberg has been clear enough about his ideological positions as well as his reform credentials that I am comfortable with him. I'm already going to DFA Meet Ups and Democratic party meetings in Santa Ana. I can easily move my energy and contributions either way. If the DLC doesn't care about the voice of the grassroots or the netroots, I won't be their ATM.

I have been deleting a lot of solicitations from different democratic organizations. I'm waiting to see which way they go on the chair position before I unsubscribe completely and move on.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-01-31 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Well this is certainly an interesting diary
What do I have to do with any of this?

Tim

by Tim Tagaris 2005-01-31 07:14AM | 0 recs
absolutely nothing
There were questions about disclosure of hidden interests on Jerome's diary last night. I mentioned that you had been a guest blogger at Swing State Project in a post that I used to clear the air, or try to.

If I inadvertently dragged you into a non-controversy I apologize sincerely. I was trying to make the point that a lot of regulars here and at dkos were well known and their positions and casual blogging or political connections were well known and not a concern.

If my clumsy attempt to clear things up actually confused them furthur or stepped on toes I am chagrined and would appreciate clarification or condemnation, whichever one is in order. I was attempting to defend blogswarm and Matt Stoller who have been quite open about their views and relationship to the players. I tried to use you as another example.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-01-31 07:36AM | 0 recs
What are my views...
I am curious as to what you think my views are on the DNC chair race.  I am not even sure that I expressed them in one way or another before answering your post in the other thread.

But, to answer your questions:

1.) I have full posting privileges over at SSP, for which I am eternally grateful.

2.) I support Dean or Rosenberg--although the anti-Dean movement is moving me more and more into the Governor's camp by the hour.

3.) I have never talked to a candidate for running for DNC chair outside of a few BlogPAC interviews.

I hope that helps?  I didn't even think I was making any sort of "scene" on MyDD that allowed myself to stand out from anyone else.

Tim

by Tim Tagaris 2005-01-31 07:41AM | 0 recs
I didn't intend my example that way
That's why I said you had absolutely nothing to do with any "scene". I was just trying to use you as an example of a poster who had well known connections to other blogs that nobody cared about and did not affect your credibility in any way.

Perhaps it was an over-reaction on my part to Kid Oakland's diary the other day defending himself against an attack on his credibility by NC Dem. In my first response on Kid O's diary I didn't even grasp that Kid Oakland thought he needed to defend his credibility. It frankly had not even occurred to me.

I was certainly not trying to speak for you or suggesting that your credibility was in question, quite the contrary. I also am capable of recognizing when I step in a cow-pie. Please accept my humble apology for stirring up the cow-pie instead of leaving it alone for nature to clean up.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-01-31 08:09AM | 0 recs
Could you tone down the rhetoric?
Look, once this is over we all have to remain on the same team. You have valid arguments against Fowler, but the way you are presenting them is a bit over the top. They come across to me as  insulting the guy rather than proving your point.

I agree with the premise of your post. I commented that Donnie was pissing me off with the multiple posts that said nothing and didn't address the valid criticisms here. I too want an dialog rather than being talked at, and ignorantly as he triple post was if you ask me.

Regardless we need to come together as a party. We all want the right person to lead the party, and we don't agree who that is just yet. The personal attacks directed toward Dean in Iowa still leave marks today with his supporters. I'd like to not repeat that with the other candidates and their supporters during the DNC Chair race.

by michael in chicago 2005-01-31 08:06AM | 0 recs

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