More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh, Daschle, Clark, Reed

Steve Clemons has sources. Deep behind friendly lines in occupied Chicago. They say: No VP for Evan Bayh, Tom Daschle, Jack Reed, or Wesley Clark.

A sampling:

But sources close to Obama report to me that after the "surge of concern" on the net about Evan Bayh, he has not been selected as Obama's VP running mate.

I have been informed that the decision has been made, and I don't know who that person is.

I also have been told that Tom Daschle is not the running mate. I also happen to know that it is not Wesley Clark.

I just received word that it is not Senator Jack Reed either, though Obama thought very highly of him.

In my estimation, that leaves Joseph Biden, Chuck Hagel, and Sibelius. I don't think that Tim Kaine would be the nominee given the elevation of Mark Warner as the keynote speaker at the Dem convention.

Clemons goes on to say that another smart fellow in the know (but apparently, not a source) he's spoken with in the last 24hrs says that Obama could totally pull a Evel Knievel and blow our minds with something unexpected.

I love Steve Clemons' sources!!!

Tags: 2008, Barack Obama, Evan Bayh, Steve Clemons, Tom Daschle, VP, washington note, Wesley Clark (all tags)



Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

I wonder if his source on the Bayh backlash is the same person who told him earlier Bayh is the favorite.  

by davisb 2008-08-17 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

Seeing that the netroot was very quick to vocally and unanimously condemn the choice of Bayh and that the dropping of his name resulted in no positive coverage by the press who instead ran with the netroots framing it could very well be the case that Bayh went from favorite to an "also considered"

If you look at all the names now mentioned it's Biden, Kaine, Kerry and Gore you'll notice that they all have high positives as well also some negatives in various degrees.

Bayh was the only name still mentioned that didn't have any perceivable negatives and some theoretical positives. Leaking his name would precaution to check how his nomination would be received because he was relatively unknown.

And through leaking his name they found out that he didn't have any positives but actual negatives. And they decided on the non-vanilla choice...

by Ernst 2008-08-17 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

Sorry the above comment wasn't meant as a comment to you.

If my above reasoning is half way plausible... (although I have no reason what so ever to think it is.)

But if... then I'd say it extremely likely that both bits of info come from the same source. Heck it's likely coming from the same source even if I'm completely wrong ... :)

by Ernst 2008-08-17 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

There's no way it's Hagel. He hasn't endorsed Obama and he's very conservative on social and domestic issues. I love the guy and, Kleeb notwithstanding, wish he wasn' t retiring, but he won't, and shouldn't, be the VP pick.

by Nathan Empsall 2008-08-17 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons:

Key quote:

"One well placed political expert just told me on the phone that we may all be wrong and that Obama could come out with something completely unexpected -- a Hillary Clinton or even (and this shocked me) Al Gore or John Kerry. I don't have any info on such surprising possibilities as these."

by Scan 2008-08-17 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons:

Please not Kerry. Please don't take my sunshine away.

by vcalzone 2008-08-17 08:31PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons:

If its any of those, of course it will be Hillary. I can't even imagine Kerry being picked, unless Obama just really WANTS to lose.

by Scan 2008-08-17 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons:

John Kerry would be a shock. Because the only reason I can think off for Kerry is that Obama thinks he would be a good VP. Electorally I don't see what he would add at all. I'd commend Obama for choosing policy over politics then.

Hillary Clinton would actually be the non surprising "surprise" candidate. Compared to the other candidates I don't see any real positives or negatives. Depends all on how it would be spun.  

Al Gore would be something completely different. No clue what would happen. It would definitely be the biggest story happening for weeks to come. how it would impact the race? no clue...

But it would be both sweet and yet another historic event, and completely unparalleled. It would be unbelievable.

by Ernst 2008-08-17 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons:

That longer quote is interesting. If it's really between those three, it's got to be Hillary Clinton. Sounds good to me. We'll know soon enough.

by LakersFan 2008-08-17 10:35PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors

It's Biden, Bayh or Kaine. The crisis in Georgia may have eliminated Kaine. Obama's poor forum performance yesterday may have elevated Biden. Obama may believe that he needs someone who would be sharp in a debate.

by Zzyzzy 2008-08-17 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors

Process of elimination leads to Biden.

by MMR2 2008-08-17 10:24PM | 0 recs
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That's what the talking bobble heads on ABC's This Week concluded yesterday. They also raised the point that selecting Bayh deprives the Dems of a much needed senator.

by Bob Miller 2008-08-18 04:55AM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

Here's the best analysis I've seen so far why it will be Gore: 5550

by Piuma 2008-08-17 08:39PM | 0 recs
"Mind-blowing options..."

1.) Colin Powell
2.) Michael Bloomberg
3.) Hillary Clinton
4.) Al Gore
5.) Bob Graham
6.) Chuck Hagel
7.) Wes Clark
8.) Joe Biden
9.) Any of the above

I'd go with #9....the choice is on this list, IMHO...

...and Hagel's trading volume on InTrade just went waaaay did Biden's nos. there, in general...

by bobswern 2008-08-17 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: "Mind-blowing options..."

In trade is completely useless.  All they follow there are polls and buzz.  It's of no use at all in predicting anything.

by Denny Crane 2008-08-17 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: "Mind-blowing options..."

It'd be of plenty use if you were a political commentator. You could clean up!! All you have to do one night is make some kind of crazy remark like "I'm hearing it's Bayh" or "I'm sure it's going to be Kaine" or "Nunn sounds like the right idea" and you can make a killing.

Hmm... Jerome? Are you on the payola? If not, WHY?!?!

by vcalzone 2008-08-17 10:16PM | 0 recs
Clemonsis full of shit

He never gets anything right.

by RandyMI 2008-08-17 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

could be Gen. James Jones of North Carolina

by lori 2008-08-17 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

I think it's me.  Denny Crane for Vice President!!

by Denny Crane 2008-08-17 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

You know all this speculation is becoming ridiculous , isn't it ? lol

I think I have had enough myself .

I'll just wait to see it is.

How about that ?

by lori 2008-08-17 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

I think that would be fantastic. An accomplished Starfleet captain would not only boost Obama's foreign credibility, it would demonstrate the terrestrial limits of McCain's service.

by vcalzone 2008-08-17 10:18PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

Too funny, Denny Crane!

by trixta 2008-08-18 01:20AM | 0 recs
Please, Obama...

Clemons goes on to say... that Obama could totally pull a Evel Knievel and blow our minds with something unexpected.

Please, Obama.  No mind blowing.  Please.  Just keep things simple.

by Dumbo 2008-08-17 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Please, Obama...

Except that right now, the perception IS that he'll do something surprising. If he makes a boring pick, that would actually be a surprise, and a bad one at that. Nobody really likes getting socks for Christmas. Not when they were expecting a new iPod.

by vcalzone 2008-08-17 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Please, Obama...

Vcalzone I love the Christmas analogy. I would be shocked if he picked a regular safe pick. Expect Sizzle well done.

by Politicalslave 2008-08-17 11:34PM | 0 recs
It's a good start...

If the tidbit is true, then the Obama campaign has made wise choices indeed on whom not to pick.  I would just hope that Tim Kaine would be added to that list, pronto.  Joe Biden all the way--

by MMR2 2008-08-17 10:23PM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons:

What little evidence there is suggests Biden.  I stress that there is little evidence, though.

by rfahey22 2008-08-17 10:43PM | 0 recs
I hope that it is Biden

He would be the best attack dog!!!

by puma 2008-08-18 01:06AM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons: No VP 4 Bayh,

Is Gephardt in the running?  He'd be a good pick.

by trixta 2008-08-18 01:20AM | 0 recs

First, Gephardt is too old to run, he needs a walker.

Second, he stood on the WH lawn and held hands with Shrub and Lieberman on the war resolution.  There are photos.

by Al Rodgers 2008-08-18 02:18AM | 0 recs
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I've heard Pervez Musharraf's name mentioned a lot on the News this morning. Should I read anything into his timing? - it seems awfully 'convenient'.

by QTG 2008-08-18 03:58AM | 0 recs
maybe Hillary is arranging a coup

Pervez is good at that.

by Al Rodgers 2008-08-18 04:49AM | 0 recs
Biden, gotta be the one

Biden's hasn't been the most consistently progressive Dem, but he could kick a lot of a** and take names on the campaign trail and I'm really look for seriously nasty anti-GOP oneliners to get some circulation in the MSM and Biden the man up to the job.

by alexmhogan 2008-08-18 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: More Rumors from Steve Clemons

The fact that Daschle's name would even be considered makes me want to puke.  He is another guy that thought hugging Bush was a wise choice before a tight election.

Daschle caved to Bush / Cheney at every turn, which is bad.  Worse, is he then let them cut his heart and lungs out in the next election.   W.E.A.K.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-18 07:30AM | 0 recs


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