White Priviledge

That diary up there on the rec list has my collar steamed. So, before i go putting the crimp in it, I'm going to ask you to read this:

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?acti on=show_item&itemid=116

Thank you for your time and patience.

You see, when we start to talk white privilege, most people think about being stalked by security in a grocery store. I'm told that happens (and when you, as plainclothes security, are getting calls about a "suspicious individual" that just happens to be YOURSELF, I can acknowledge that yeah, it is happening).

But this world runs on currency, on money and the accumulation of money. And this is where Black people suffer. And will continue to suffer, for crimes long long past.

75% of whites can trace their wealth back to racist policies, be they FHA loans or the Homestead Act (you didn't know that was racist, now didja?)

I don't have time to write a full well researched diary right now, though I'll try and add onto this as the day goes on.

I'm calling for some action, I'm calling for this to get up on the Recommended list, because... America ought to recognize where she is, before she can go anywhere.

Those MILLIONS of blacks mentioned in the rec list are one Layoff away from being one of those POOR blacks. If you're white, you might not get that. But if you have a house, and you're laid off, you can get a second mortgage to pay the rent for a while. You got money, there, that you can depend on.  If you're renting, if the biggest wealth you can lay claim to is a car, which you happen to need to find more work, you don't got that cushion.

Tags: black, Income, Money, wealth, WHITE (all tags)



Re: White Priviledge, thanks

glad i missed the diary you're referencing.

we as Democrats need to get back to being the ANTI-racist party. recognizing the obvious truths this diary points out is a good START. lots more to be done.

by catchaz 2008-05-27 09:06AM | 0 recs
There's plenty of shit to shovel

but I'm told that it makes good fertilizer!

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:13AM | 0 recs
Which diary are you talking about? n/t

by sricki 2008-05-27 09:46AM | 0 recs
glad you stopped by!

obama democrats and the race card
by yellowdem1129, Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:22:28 AM EST

I don't think I actually read the whole thing, the first part got me so steamed I had to talk about it!

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:50AM | 0 recs
Okay, yeah, that's offensive.

So I'm recommending your diary in response.

by sricki 2008-05-27 10:03AM | 0 recs
So if you're black you're poor?

This must be snark.

by catfish2 2008-05-27 09:17AM | 0 recs
You get your fat wealthy american ass

down to the train station and sit in one of those Disney Castles, you TOURIST.

/end snark.

My diary was not snark.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:22AM | 0 recs
You ineloquence is only imperiled

for the position of worst aspect of yourself by your illiteracy. At least, I should hope that, because if there are worse aspects of you, I do not want to know about them!

The perils of being black in America are not appropriately characterized by the income equality. Nor are they appropriately characterized by the wealth equality. It takes synergy to understand ...

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:23AM | 0 recs
This is almost communist


Not every black American is poor. This is condescending to black Americans and I find it offensive.

by catfish2 2008-05-27 09:37AM | 0 recs
In NYC, they were all Communists, back in the day

I could only hope to live up to their memory.

I am no leftist, I believe in the free market just like any other red-blooded liberal. I believe in Advanced Liberalism, too.

I also believe in looking at facts on the ground, and I don't see how in the hell you think I was saying that all black Americans are poor.

Can you throw some of my words back at me, on this one? I think we're talking past each other, and that's never good...

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:45AM | 0 recs
A very separatist diary

Those MILLIONS of blacks mentioned in the rec list are one Layoff away from being one of those POOR blacks.

by catfish2 2008-05-27 09:50AM | 0 recs
Separatist? Nah... you got the wrong gal

I'm spotted and Jewish. I like me some public schooling.

I'm pro-reparations, but not for slavery but the injustices that still haven't gone away. (and yeah, we could do with some colorblind reparations...)

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:52AM | 0 recs
Reparations? You are a Communist

and a loon. No offense.

by catfish2 2008-05-27 09:54AM | 0 recs
Quak Quak

When you stop howling at the moon and want to talk to me, I'll still be here.

you lunatic.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Reparations? You are a Communist

What's with the red baiting?

Just namecalling.

by TomP 2008-05-27 10:03AM | 0 recs

I could only hope to live up to their renounciation of Stalin and utter repudiation of their rhetoric gone disasterously wrong.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:51AM | 0 recs

So you are suggesting that Obama/The Democrats should run the campaign on the platform of fighting "white privileges"?
by TaiChiMaster 2008-05-27 09:25AM | 0 recs

... nothing about the presidential election, that's fo sure.

Howdy, fella, and welcome to the debate. If you want some context from where I'm coming from, you can start here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1 0/31/92331/990/129/404631

I like to talk about race, because I feel that spotted Americani like me tend to forget about such things.

Well, some americans can't seem to forget, because they're always getting stripsearched for Driving While Black.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:28AM | 0 recs

Sorry, don't read dailykos, it's a matter of principle

by TaiChiMaster 2008-05-27 09:30AM | 0 recs
What principle?

ignoring facts when they don't suit you? /snark

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: What principle?

it's more like a boycot, the same reason why I don't watch KO.
by TaiChiMaster 2008-05-27 09:39AM | 0 recs

But to answer your point, there was a time when white privileges was something to be fought against. Today however in this time of economic hardship, were the middle class is all but a lost dream, the last thing you want to say to a dying middle class that is statistically 85% white that their privileges must be fought against, if only from an electoral point of view.

There are inequalities that correlate with racial profile. But to talk of privileges is factually wrong.

by TaiChiMaster 2008-05-27 09:39AM | 0 recs
Middle class starts at 150,000

and only goes up from there. Perhaps your statistics do not reflect reality? ;-)

From an electoral point of view, you talk about creating colorblind affirmative action that focuses on not just income but also wealth. get the cake and eat it too. also allow those west virginian hicks entrance into something more closely approaching civilization for a few years.


by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Middle class starts at 150,000

Oh fine, think whatever you want.

But if you want to learn something about where identity politics can get a countries, take a flight ticket to lebanon, have fun.!

by TaiChiMaster 2008-05-27 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Okayyy

Being honest about racial injustice in America would, in fact, be incredibly refreshing.

by proseandpromise 2008-05-27 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: White Priviledge

Sorry, don't read dailykos, it's a matter of principle.
by TaiChiMaster 2008-05-27 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: White Priviledge

Sorry i dont read dkos it is a matter of my blood pressure.  Keeping it down.


by giusd 2008-05-27 10:53AM | 0 recs
You're missing out on all the good diarists


you know, like this guy who doesn't talk primaries much, and is actually registered Republican:

(alternate site provided, because you're boycotting kos)

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-28 05:32AM | 0 recs
Not this again!

Damn, when will we stop blaming folks for their genetic background?

by emsprater 2008-05-27 09:48AM | 0 recs
when their genetic background stops jingling!

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: when their genetic background stops jingling!

Well, here's a solution: why don't we just automatically dictate that every baby born not 'of color' be given a million dollar debt that will be automatically awarded to the next baby born 'of color' so that they can grow up what some seem to think would be 'equal'.

by emsprater 2008-05-27 10:02AM | 0 recs
Equality versus Liberty...

it's an old argument. you're welcome to start up a diary on the subject, it's a rather fun discussion.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-27 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Equality versus Liberty...

Meanwhile, there's a report on MSNBC that 'groups' are working to stop 'colorblind' adoptions.  Why?  Because black kids are being adopted by white families, and 'robbing' them of their 'black experience'.

I guess 'white privilege' is steeped in that somewhere, to heck with providing a loving family for a child.

I have a biracial adopted grandson.  My plan is to teach him to really REALLY be above this bunk, much like one of the candidates now claims to be.

by emsprater 2008-05-27 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Equality versus Liberty...

There is a difference between being "above" racial divisiveness and being a-cultural.  Color-blindness isn't helpful because it ignores structural and systematic inequalities.  Issues of culture and justice are very complicated.  Engaging them is not a bad thing.

by proseandpromise 2008-05-27 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Equality versus Liberty...

Yep.  And I know folks who could use your same words to justify the 'stars and bars' on the flags of southern states.  It's a cultural thing, you know.

by emsprater 2008-05-27 02:24PM | 0 recs
err... yeah.

any chance these groups are being run by right wing wackos?

Any reason why the damn thing is coming up now?

I am paranoid, but It's only bad if they aren't out to get you.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-28 05:29AM | 0 recs
Re: White Priviledge

One source.  That's not much, esp as it is a source with an agenda (I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying it has an agenda).

And even then, it STILL does not tell me how much wealthier men are than women.

Men can trace their wealth back to sexist policies.  Do you hear women bellyaching about that all the time?  The penis privilege is just as bad as the white skin privilege.  Fact is, our society doesn't have time or resources to pay back ANY group, because if it were done fairly, women would get nearly everything.

I'm not especially old but when I was born, my mother would not have been permitted to get a mortgage in her own name.

Let's all stop playing the victim game and forge ahead together.  If I can deal with all the wrongs that have been done to women yet not hold them against the men of today, then black people can do the same with white people.  If you see injustice, sure, bring it up, but stop looking for it and focusing on it.  Doing that gets you nowhere.  Or in Obama's case, it gets us McCain in the White House.  Thanks a lot.

by Montague 2008-05-29 01:35PM | 0 recs


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