Hillary's debt

What happened to Jerome Armstrong and Natasha Chart?  Haven't seen anything from Natasha in quite some time; we could use less water-carrying on the front page.

Articles titled "Obama Donors Aren't Rushing to Aid Clinton" to be published in tomorrow's New York Times are probably not too helpful to the cause of unity at this time.  I have no idea why one of Obama's donors, who wished to remain anonymous, decided to show some snoopy NYT reporter the e-mails he had received in response to his plea to other Obama donors that they help Hillary with her debt.  Read the article yourself:
http://nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/politic s/09debt.html

So, Obama donors have only coughed up around $100,000, excluding pledge amounts, to Hillary's debt.  I thought that the number would be around $500,000 by now but then again, there's a lot of juicy stuff in the article, probably by people with an axe to grind because none of these people should be disclosing these details to some scumbag reporter looking for a story.

Donors from both sides should probably learn how to shut up and keep their inner bitterness to themselves rather than expressing it to the press; they should take a page from their respective candidates.  Obama donors should ask themselves what more do they want out of Hillary Clinton and Clinton donors should probably ask themselves what more do they want Obama to do about her debt, considering that he has to raise money for himself at the same time.  

Everyone says its common for the winner to help out the runner-usp with their debt; I'd like someone to find out how much John McCain has helped out Rudy Guiliani or Mitt Romney with their debt.

Tags: clinton, Debt, obama (all tags)



Re: Hillary's debt

Obama should pay all his money to Hillary afterall it is Hillary who he is gonna need to get elected as his vice president or to deliver states that Obama needs like Massachusetts, New York and California. Obama can't win them without her and should pay all her debts.  even the ones that go to mark penn because he is a genius political strategeist and democrats needs him if they want to beat mccain.  LOLZZZZ how can obama donors be soooo o dumb not to see this!!!!!! OMGGGGGGGGGGGG

by OMG LOLZZ 2008-07-08 08:19PM | 0 recs
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Ok we get it, you're so witty.

by Sieglinde 2008-07-08 08:23PM | 0 recs
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Its about time someone recognized my genius.  Oh Em Geeeeeee!

by OMG LOLZZ 2008-07-08 08:25PM | 0 recs
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Well this discussion is certainly off and running with an idiosyncratic veer straight into the kangaroo paddock.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 08:29PM | 0 recs
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Keep talking. You're doing great--for McCain

by NY Writer 2008-07-09 06:34AM | 0 recs
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Considering all the money Hillary Clinton is helping Obama and the DNC raise that is pretty churlish. I've seen reports that she has raised over $50 million for him already.

These Obama donors don't really do unity, do they?

by souvarine 2008-07-08 08:33PM | 0 recs
No that's a

misrepresentation.  The end goal that Obama folks are hoping Hillary can raise for them is $50 million.  She has not helped him raise $50 million already: that's a complete misrepresentation and falsehood.

Her donors are balking too, so this pissing match is really going on with both sides.  My qualm is why take your pissing match to the press.  These idiots on the Obama side though piss me off more; they must really not believe their candidate when he's asking for unity and for them to cough off $2300 that is a drop in the bucket for them.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-08 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: No that's a

My mistake then, I thought I had read that she had $50 pledged. I probably misread it.

by souvarine 2008-07-08 08:48PM | 0 recs
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No they don't.  Seems his big doners are as rude and thuggish as his $5 koolaide consumers.

btw, word over at The Confluence is that enough money was raised by Pumas to offset half of Hills debt over 4th weekend.  Hope to see some numbers on that tomorrow.

by Tolstoy 2008-07-08 08:43PM | 0 recs
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"Seems his big doners are as rude and thuggish as his $5 koolaide consumers."

Hrm...one might call that phrase "rude and thuggish". Hypocracy from a "Confluscian"? Perish the thought.

by ElitistJohn 2008-07-08 08:55PM | 0 recs
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I read that as well. I am very interested in knowing how much was raised. If the statement is true and half Hillary's remaining debt is retired by PUMA, that would be amazing.

by feelfree 2008-07-08 09:42PM | 0 recs
"These Obama donors don't really do unity...


Tension In Unity: Clinton Donors Give Obama Cold Shoulder

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/27 /tension-in-unity-clinton_n_109569.html

Obama Faces Resistance From Top Supporters of Clinton

Clinton diehards throw support behind McCain

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/ americas/clinton-diehards-throw-support- behind-mccain-862066.html

Opinion: Obama still in uphill battle against Clinton supporters

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/25 7092

"Susie Tompkins Buell, a Hillraiser from San Francisco,[...] said she hasn't decided whether to vote for Sen. Obama and plans to skip the August Democratic convention. "

...and do give my warmest regards to all the great Unitarians over at La Nuthouse de Alegre. Stop by SoCalDarlin's to read up on the latest spittle-flecked, racist, paranoid ranting about Obama's cousins and his birth certificate. And of course, a big PUMA hello to Ol' Flowbee Johnson himself.

by BlueinColorado 2008-07-08 08:51PM | 0 recs
These Obama donors don't really do unity...

Oh no doubt, you can't expect everyone to come around. But you can bet that Clinton has raised a ton of money for Obama, and could raise a ton more if he and his donors were little more gracious. $100k is truly pathetic.

by souvarine 2008-07-08 08:59PM | 0 recs
Perhaps, but...

In a nasty little situation like this its always easier to get the winner money than the loser. While some candidate supporters are die hards, a lot are basically riding the winner. Since Hillary was the early favorite, she a had a bunch of power groupies tossing max cash not so much for her as for their shot at prestige invites to the WH, etc... That sort will immediately toss cash at the winner for the same reason.

For obvious reasons, you don't get the power groupies that were with the Obama early. No percentage in it.

And since this was an especially viscious little primary, with lots of irrational enraged people on both sides (look at the "PUMA" dead enders...and there would likely be an equivalent had fortune run the other way), actual supporters are a tougher nut to crack.

by ElitistJohn 2008-07-08 09:13PM | 0 recs
and one more beaut

Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a top Clinton fund-raiser, telecommunications entrepreneur and member of the Democratic national convention's platform committee, said she had questions about Mr. Obama's trustworthiness. If he does not answer them, Ms. de Rothschild said she would at least consider voting for Mr. McCain or even working for him.

"I love my country more than I love my party," said Ms. de Rothschild, who said she had been receiving entreaties from both Mr. Obama's and Mr. McCain's backers. "I can't just fall in line."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/us/pol itics/12donors.html?ref=politics

by BlueinColorado 2008-07-08 08:54PM | 0 recs
and the ever popular....

Lanny "Liebercrat" Davis:

""Howard Dean and the D.N.C. will not get one penny from me or any of my friends," Mr. Davis said."

Yeah, doin' great things with his paycheck from Rupert Murdoch.

by BlueinColorado 2008-07-08 08:56PM | 0 recs
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I chipped in my $100, but this topic is a little mystifying to me.  Nobody can quantify how much is supposed to be paid or what is to be received in return.  Also, I just don't understand why this would affect "unity" - I can't remember ever being up in arms about the winning candidate's efforts, or lack thereof, in helping to retire my candidate's campaign debt.  This whole thing just seems very bizarre.  I've tried to help to the extent possible, but really I don't get it.

by rfahey22 2008-07-08 08:36PM | 0 recs
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Very good of you to help. I think Obama's small dollar base is much more generous, but Obama doesn't want to tap them for Hillary.

Often in competitive primaries the winner helps the loser. The party is a big family, nobody wants to leave anyone screwed.

What is really strange is how pathetic Obama's major donor donations have been. $100k is less than 50 maxed out donors. And the contrast with Hillary Clinton out there doing everything she can to make sure Obama is fully funded for the general is pretty jarring.

by souvarine 2008-07-08 08:44PM | 0 recs
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"Often in competitive primaries the winner helps the loser. The party is a big family, nobody wants to leave anyone screwed."

You mean on our side right?  I don't think McCain has raised on finger to help Romney or Guiliani with their debts.  I agree though that Obama's big money people are being pretty damn small about this issue.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-08 08:56PM | 0 recs
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I've read that McCain is helping Guiliani.

by souvarine 2008-07-08 09:05PM | 0 recs
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by Blazers Edge 2008-07-08 09:11PM | 0 recs
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That article is from April; my understanding is that McCain has not provided anything more than a cursory effort in helping Guiliani retire his debt.

If 1,000 of Obama's big money people capable of ponying up $4600 (the $2300 max to Obama and Hillary), that will get her to $2.3 million.  I think the best that Hillary could hope for is around $5 million from Obama, but $100,000 is a joke.  Hopefully, the fundraising will increase after these four events on Wednesday and Thursday.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-08 09:19PM | 0 recs
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Technically, wouldn't it be double that?  Doesn't the law permit you to donate $4600 ($2300 for the primary and the same for the GE)?  And, wouldn't that limit still apply since we have not yet reached the convention?

by rfahey22 2008-07-08 09:22PM | 0 recs

The GE money couldn't be used to pay off primary debt. So whether you could donate it or not is academic, as it couldn't be used in practicality.

by ElitistJohn 2008-07-08 09:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Nope

Aha, very crafty.

by rfahey22 2008-07-08 09:26PM | 0 recs
Perhaps we'd like to believe

we're better than the repubs are.

Why on earth would anyone even expect that Obama not help Clinton, just because McCain isn't helping Ghouliani?

I find this comparison of behavior divisive and disappointing.

by aggieric 2008-07-09 07:14AM | 0 recs
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Water carrying?  During an election?  With the best chance of a Democratic victory and majority in both houses of Congress?  Really?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-08 08:41PM | 0 recs
Water carrying? During an election?

I noticed that too.

Josh Orton did a front pager today attacking Obama. What more do these people want?

by Beren 2008-07-08 11:27PM | 0 recs
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I made a small donation to her campaign the day after she dropped out, just as I promised.  It really wasn't much, but the biggest donation I've ever given anybody was $25.  This cycle I've donated to the Obama campaign four or five times, but always quite small.

Still, I chipped in a bit.  Said I would.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-08 09:04PM | 0 recs
She is a multi-millionaire.

She can afford to pay off her own debt.  

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-07-09 12:00AM | 0 recs
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I'm getting increasingly frustrated at the anti-Obama spin that is coming out from the NYT lately. That aside. Obama, can't simply write a check for Clinton. That is against campaign finance rules.
o even if he wanted to, he can't.

The issue is being overplayed. I have no doubt that ultimately we will find a way to retire the Clinton debt. I don't expect that after only one month. It will take time. Give it time.

by Makey 2008-07-09 12:54AM | 0 recs
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The way I understand it, after the convention her loans cannot be paid off, She will have to take the financial hit.

by parahammer 2008-07-09 01:27AM | 0 recs
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She and Bill have plenty of money already and are treated quite well by people who fly them around in their private jets and otherwise take care of their needs.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-09 04:21AM | 0 recs
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Sorry, but she wouldn't have all this debt if she had behaved like a normal candidate and left the race when it became clear that she couldn't win the majority of pledged delegates and that her fundraising was not adequate to cover costs.

In my estimation, that would have been after Wisconsin.

That also would have avoided a lot of the bitterness she generated by her claims about MI and FL and the like.

She put herself (and the party, to some extent) in this pickle, and I don't intend to donate to help her out of it, particularly with the high energy costs.

by politicsmatters 2008-07-09 04:20AM | 0 recs
Have you ever heard of superdelegates?

You know - the reason Obama is the nominee.

by whothere 2008-07-09 05:31AM | 0 recs
Hating Mark Penn is still hatred of HIllary

The Obama people need to get over their hatred of HIllary already. This debt thing is more about still hating Hillary. GET OVER IT! You Won!

by whothere 2008-07-09 05:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Hating Mark Penn is still hatred of HIllary

Hating Mark Penn is still hatred of Hillary?

Please tell me you didn't write that with a straight face.

by mistersite 2008-07-09 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hating Mark Penn is still hatred of HIllary

It's just a fact.

by whothere 2008-07-09 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's debt

First, I give credit due for writing your piece.  Thank you.

That said, I disagree with your main thrust.  There are many people who are smart enough, clean enough, and patriotic enough to be Senators or Presidents.  They choose to just become donors and backers instead because they value having the freedom to speak their minds.  I don't blame them.  I don't disdain them for taking their legitimate and/or illegitimate gripes to the press.  Like it and hate it, that's frequently the way problems get solved.  Some things have to blow up before they go away.

Second, Obama and Clinton are both multimillionaires, and big kids to boot.  Bill will just have to give a few more speeches or make a few more shady business deals.

If it were Obama, I'd say the same thing--he'd just have to put his name on another ghost-written book, or once again toss some pork toward the University of Chicago Hospitals until his wife's salary doubles a couple more times.

This is not the Republican Party.  There is no eleventh commandment here.  Some of us prefer it that way.

by SuperCameron 2008-07-09 05:49AM | 0 recs
For chrissakes
I'm sorry but I'd rather eat glass than help Hillary retire any debt.
It's just amazing how this 'poor lil Hillary' broken down train continues down the track relentlessly.
I feel a sudden urge to invest in more Obama gear. You know what... I think I will....
by april34fff 2008-07-09 06:18AM | 0 recs
Good on you. I'd rather

continue making my monthly donation to Hillary (thru November) than send any of it to Obama, so I guess I will.

Tit for tat doesn't get us very far but there it is.

by aggieric 2008-07-09 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Good on you. I'd rather

so be it, but the difference is -my candidate didn't selfishly and callously decide to screw over small business owners and truck drivers for the sole purpose of denigrating another democrat.

I'm glad that you are making monthly donations to her ...she's going to need it.

by april34fff 2008-07-09 08:26AM | 0 recs
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I understand the notion of some large donors helping out, but a lot of us, myself included, can't justify giving money to pay off the debt of a multi-millionaire.

by PSUdan 2008-07-09 07:44AM | 0 recs


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