BREAKING-Dean: "...get the candidates together and make some kind of an arrangement."

http://thepage.time.com/2008/02/06/dean- screams-for-an-arrangement/

http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-de an-interview-on-inside-city-hall/

In a Super Tuesday interview on "Inside City Hall," Democratic Chairman Howard Dean said he doesn't want the Clinton-Obama race continuing into the party's convention in Denver, saying the candidates should "make some kind of an arrangement" if neither has enough delegates to win the nomination.

"The idea that we can afford to have a big fight at the convention and then win the race in the next eight weeks, I think, is not a good scenario. So, after the primaries are over, the last primary is June 8th in Puerto Rico - Puerto Rico I think, there may be another state with there - and after that if we don't have a nominee, I think we will have a nominee sometime in the middle of March or April. But if we don't, then we're going to have to get the candidates together and make some kind of an arrangement. Because I don't think we can afford to have a brokered convention, that would not be good news for either party."

Clinton-Obama? Obama-Clinton?

Tags: clinton, Convention, dean, delegates, nominee, obama (all tags)

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Re arrangement

But it happened on West Wing!

Anyway, I agree, but I don't think it has to happen until May or even June.  Let's see who's ahead in delegates by that time.  That doesn't have to be the determinative factor, but it should be weighed in.

by Drummond 2008-02-06 12:51PM | 0 recs
Dean: "...bail me out, please."

Dean is just trying to cover his ass because his incompetence in resolving Michigan and Florida has triggered a nightmare scenario for the DNC.

Of course, Dean lacks the spine to do the right thing (count the votes of millions of Florida and Michigan Democrats), so he is calling on somebody else to bail him out.

by hwc 2008-02-06 12:54PM | 0 recs
Hmm...

I don't blame Dean for this necessarily; I can't imagine that in his wildest dreams that he'd ever imagine that things would look like this.  But, can the DNC mandate a deal?  I don't think I've heard of this before.

by ejintx 2008-02-06 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm...

Dean is a fool.

I certainly envisioned a scenario where one candidate would get the nomination with Michigan and Florida, but be denied if the voters of those two crucial big states were disenfranchised.

I've been screaming about this issue since the DNC changed their own rules and increased the penalty from 50% of the delegates to 100%.

Now, Dean has a total nightmare on his hands. Count the votes in these two Electoral College battleground states and Clinton is the nominee today, preparing for the fall against McCain.

Don't count them and the party disenfranchises Michigan and Florida and the 55.5% of Democratic voters who have voted for Clinton so far in states that account for 210 of the 270 electoral college votes needed for the Presidency.

Basically, Dean is screwed.

by hwc 2008-02-06 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm...

Is there any way they can be reinstated before the convention?  

by randym77 2008-02-06 01:17PM | 0 recs
Let's face it,

wherever Hillary is on the ticket, she's going to run things.  Do we really want a reprise of Bush-Cheney where the junior partner was the senior, and the senior partner was the junior.

Besides, Hillary has more popular votes and more delegates to her name.

by Beltway Dem 2008-02-06 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING-Dean screws up again

I guess it all comes down for if we believe in the candidate with the most people voting for her should win or if the candidate with the most money should have his way...

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-06 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Dean is a fool

Dean needs to create a situation where Florida and MIchigan get seated. it would solve this problem right now. I would rather see that than the party force some other arrangement.

The party cannot afford to piss off those two states and Dean et all knew that going in they just never imagined this particular scenario, co-created by the MSM and pundits.

What a clusterfuck.

by americanincanada 2008-02-06 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Dean is a fool

I'm with you. They should release the delgates. Let Clinton have the ones from MI and Fl and Obama have his from FL. Hold the undecideds and Edwards delegates.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-06 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING-Dean:

If Obama is the nominee we're sunk in the general is all I've got to say. He's got the Dukakis demographics for a general election but not anything more. Ugh.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-06 01:14PM | 0 recs
The DNC screwed it up big time.

Florida and Michigan between them hold about 10% of the nation's population and a similar fraction of the Democratic delegates. (Not to mention 45 very valuable electoral votes.) Did it not occur to anyone at the DNC that they might make a difference in the overall winner?

Right now we don't have any good options. We're screwed.

Also, forget any talk about Hillary being the VP. The VP has only as much power as the president gives him or her, and it's not the right job for someone at this stage of her career. She'd be much more influential as the senator from New York.

by OrangeFur 2008-02-06 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: The DNC screwed it up big time.

Of course it occured to the DNC that Florida and Michigan would impact the nomination. Why do  you think Dean and DNC threw out the 50% rule and decided to strip all the delegates in both states? They already had the polling data for the two states. They knew exactly what they were doing: trying to rig the nomination against the woman candidate.

by hwc 2008-02-06 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: The DNC screwed it up big time.

If they don't reinstate those delegates they are going to have a war on their hands. Hillary won in those states and should get the delegates.

If Obama gets the nomination he automatically loses two large swing states.

The best case scenario for the general is to have Hillary win the primary and reinstate the delegates.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-06 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING-Dean: "..

I don't know- If Obama gets it but if Clinton is in reach if she had MI and FL, then it will be seen as a "stolen election" and will cause friction.

But I don't see Obama backing down or agreeing to VP right now.  I would like that ticket, though- but I'm afraid we will be fighting it out to the end- I don't see either giving in and I don't see Hillary not demanding that FL and MI count- it's going to be a mess.

by reasonwarrior 2008-02-06 02:19PM | 0 recs
According to one tally I've seen...

... on demconwatch.blogspot.com, Hillary leads by 83 delegates including superdelegates, with 230 Super Tuesday delegates left to allocate. This leads grows to 203 if you include MI and FL.

So the "all hell breaks loose" zone is in between those two-- if Obama wins somewhere between 83 and 230 delegates more than Clinton the rest of the way, we're in for a pretty big fight.

by OrangeFur 2008-02-06 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: According to one tally I've seen...

should be between 83 and 203.

by OrangeFur 2008-02-06 02:43PM | 0 recs
Shut up. . .

. . . Howard Dean. Every time you open your mouth, something stupid escapes.

by freemansfarm 2008-02-06 02:46PM | 0 recs
Superdelegates

Stupid question, do MI and FLA superdelegate votes count???

by CVDem 2008-02-06 03:13PM | 0 recs

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