Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to Create Chaos

According to the Associated Press , supporters of Senator Clinton are mobilizing to rally outside of the Washington hotel where members of the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee plan to meet to hash out how to punish Michigan and Florida for moving up their primary dates against DNC rules.  In addition to demonstrators from all parts of the country, several busloads of Clinton supporters are expected from Florida and Michigan.  However, although Senator Clinton's campaign is aware of the protest, they did not organize it.  Howard Wolfson said,
"I am aware that there are lots of people very passionate about this topic who are coming."

Meanwhile, Senator Obama's campaign has discouraged a counter-protest , with David Plouffe saying,

"Obviously, with the click of a mouse it would be pretty easy for us in the mid-Atlantic to get thousands of people there, but we don't think it's a helpful dynamic to create chaos and in the interest of party unity, we're encouraging our supporters not to protest."

Former party chairman David Wilhelm agrees.  

"We're not going to have Obama folks protesting.  We're not going to turn this thing into a circus."

Susie Buell, one of Senator Clinton's top fundraisers objected to Plouffe's talk of chaos, stating,

"So much is at stake in this election and we will not be accused of creating chaos when we are standing up for the democratic principle that every vote counts."

But according to the AP,

In fact, Plouffe did not accuse Clinton supporters of plotting chaos. He said that could be the result if Obama supporters were to respond by sending thousands to the rally.

Tags: Barack Obama, David Plouffe, DNC, Hillary Clinton, Howard Wolfson, protest (all tags)

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31 Comments

Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

Smart move in a long line of smart moves.

by Lost Thought 2008-05-29 07:53PM | 0 recs
Please Stay Home, No Need to Create Chaos

At least that's what I read on Yahoo!

by asherrem 2008-05-29 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

How dare he equate peaceful protest with creating chaos!  He is slandering all Clinton supporters and all women everywhere!  What sexism and misogyny!

We have to fight this, gang.

by mistersite 2008-05-29 07:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

Or, in fact, he's merely trying to defuse a counterprotest by Obama supporters.  Why don't you guys go have your party, it's all good

by reenactor 2008-05-30 12:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

I think you missed the snark there.  I must not have made it clear enough.  My apologies.

by mistersite 2008-05-30 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

...and isn't it interesting hearing this coming from a man who has based SO much of his own campaign on having attented and spoken at a protest rally?!

by ChargedFan 2008-05-30 05:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

I think you missed the snark there.  I must not have made it clear enough.  My apologies.

by mistersite 2008-05-30 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Please Stay Home...

Hmm, I guess I did miss it.  Not suprising, though, as I find my very literal way of thinking often misinterpreting.  No apologies needed though.      

by ChargedFan 2008-05-31 11:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please

But...the quote looks pretty damning if you cut half of it off and add some words in front of it!  At least, that's what some self-interested PACs told me.

by rfahey22 2008-05-29 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

rec'd

by poserM 2008-05-29 07:58PM | 0 recs
B B B But...

...alegre said........

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

Ironically, what the Clinton campaign is trying to do right now IS create chaos. They are jumping on everything. Literally, everything, in a desperate attempt to stay alive.

The new pastor bullshit. Obama instantly denounces and rejects it and what do they say: he didn't go far enough.

Now the Obama campaign calls for peace, and they try to turn it into an attack on them.

I have a feeling no matter what Obama does in the next few days, the Clinton campaign will attack it. Therese nothing left for them to do.

by BlueGAinDC 2008-05-29 07:58PM | 0 recs
You mean Alegre lied?

I am shocked!  SHOCKED!

by JJE 2008-05-29 08:07PM | 0 recs
Anybody going to protest this........

has to be the lamest of the lame.

And that goes to Obama supporters, save your gas and money and throw a keg party to celebrate his nomination.

Thats what this under 30 elitist college educated menace to society WILL do!

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-29 08:09PM | 0 recs
Emergency rec'ing

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by BishopRook 2008-05-29 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I won't be protesting

I will be at a voter registration drive in Eau Claire, WI.

by asherrem 2008-05-29 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: That counts as work

Its a labor of love

(and I said that in the cheesiest voice possible)

by asherrem 2008-05-29 08:26PM | 0 recs
Lots to Do Future Saturdays & every day

In the greater DC area, Obama supporters will be registering voters in the crucial swing state of Virginia, check out: http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/det ail/4bzq

This is a statewide effort!

by howardpark 2008-05-29 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

I hope the Clinton people will scream at the top of their lungs, revealing their insane desperation to all the television cameras present.

Maybe they can take some influence from those classic WTO protestors of years past, and wear costumes, make-up, and carry puppets around.  It lends such a festive atmosphere to the streets!

I'm sure they will not resort to violence, but I am sure they will make horses' asses out of themselves.

Anyway, here's hoping there's no conflict and no injuries to anyone.

by Reluctantpopstar 2008-05-29 09:23PM | 0 recs
Well, this makes sense

Obama's position on this issue is a moral embarrassment.  What type of signs would we expect to see in a counter-protest?

"Rules before People!"

"Don't Count the Votes!"

"Punish Michigan!"

"I hate Florida!"

"Sanctity of the Calendar!"

"Honor Rule 20.C.1.a!"

Obama doesn't talk about this topic because his position is morally indefensible.  Hence, he doesn't want his supporters getting his message out because it's likewise embarrassing.  

by BPK80 2008-05-29 11:13PM | 0 recs
Attn: Troll Ratings Abuse

Abuse by Maori.  

by BPK80 2008-05-30 12:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, this makes sense

"Rules before People!"

What about the interests of the people who followed the rules - are they less important?

"Don't Count the Votes!"

Do you mean like Clinton attempting to disenfranchise voters of Collin Co. Texas? Cause that was yesterday.

"Punish Michigan!"

So, I'm an elementary school teacher.  My kids know my rules.  When they break them, I make it pretty clear that they had options, and they chose the one that would get them X consequence.  That way, they understand their choices result in them punishing themselves.  Heck, sometimes it's worth it to them anyway. But that's why we operate by the rule of law, so people can make informed choices.

"I hate Florida!"

I don't hate my kids when they break the rules, but they're still subject to them.

"Sanctity of the Calendar!"

"Honor Rule 20.C.1.a!"

by reenactor 2008-05-30 01:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, this makes sense

There wasn't a single "voter" out there who violated DNC rules.

I don't take personal responsibility for anything George W. Bush has done to the country even though, as a U.S. Citizen, he technically represents me.  I don't see how the DNC gets off on punishing voters in Michigan and Florida for acts by their split and GOP legislatures respectively.  

FYI, Michigan moved their primary after New Hampshire usurped Nevada and got away with it.  New Hampshire wasn't punished.  Michigan was.  

by BPK80 2008-05-30 01:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, this makes sense

Yep, you're right, I was talking about states as an entity there.  Care to respond to that?

You might not take responsibility for dubya, but you're still subject to the consequences of his stupid actions.  So are the voters in FL and MI.

As it turns out, the GOP did not originate legislation to move the Democratic primaries.

re: your last point:

"But Johnny got away with it!"
"But you still broke the rules."

Also, might wanna look up the definition of usurpation.

by reenactor 2008-05-30 01:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, this makes sense

"Yep, you're right, I was talking about states as an entity there.  Care to respond to that?"

Sure.  The state as an entity is a legal fiction, like a corporation.  Broadly punishing such a fiction neglects the reality that the two states are composed of millions of distinct human actors.  A very select few happen to be legislators.

"Punishment" and more importantly efforts to deter replication of these events must focus only on the agents capable of and responsible for enacting such changes.  There are plenty of alternative measures the party can take to prevent legislators from engaging in similar behavior without resorting to playing Roulette with the votes of 2.3 million non-culpable voters.

"You might not take responsibility for dubya, but you're still subject to the consequences of his stupid actions.  So are the voters in FL and MI."

Misplaced aggression.  I'm confident the Democratic voters in Michigan and Florida would be happy to return the favor to the Democratic party.

Have you seen the polls out of Michigan this year?

Yeah.  A state that's bluer than Pennsylvania and almost as blue as Minnesota... now down in the Ohio/Florida range.  

by BPK80 2008-05-30 01:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, this makes sense

"Legal fiction".  That legal fiction has a rather remarkable amount of control in your life, not only with laws you're directly subject to, but by shaping the social contract in which you live.  It's cute to pretend that state entities don't exist, but if you're put in prison by one (or in fact, invaded by one) that sort of argument loses its charm.

Wanna name an alternative method of punishment? The reason why removing delegates works is because we live in a representative democracy.  If people feel they're mistreated by their representatives they're free to throw the bums out next election cycle.

Wait, are you saying I'm aggressive toward you in a misplaced fashion? That's a little bizarre.  Vague threat of abandonment of voters noted.

Michigan polls? Yeah, there was one yesterday that had Obama and McLame within the margin of error of each other.  Obama's pretty much lead polls for the few weeks before that, so I'm not worried.  Also, polls are meaningless this far out - Kerry had over 300 EV the June before the last election.

I notice you want to talk about FL and MI, but not about Collin Co. Texas.  Why is that?

by reenactor 2008-05-30 05:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, this makes sense

Have you heard about the Orange Revolution in Ukraine? Where millions of people went to the streets in order to invalidate a fraudulent election? Where "The votes must count" was the argument of the reactionary fascist forces?

Fascisms always want the votes to count in elections where no campaigning is allowed. They want the votes to count even more in elections where they're alone on the ballot.

Stop pretending Hillary gives a damn about what's morally defensible or not. Stop pretending you care about what's morally defensible or not.

Stop pretending your view of what democracy means is better than that of any third-world nation which "allows" voting but has first banned free speech and free campaigning.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-30 04:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, this makes sense

How about, "It's clear. This election they're having is not going to count for anything." - Hillary Clinton

by thezzyzx 2008-05-30 05:37AM | 0 recs
Oh, and another one

Let's have a bunch of young guys out there protesting against counting all the votes opposing a bunch of women over 30 protesting FOR counting all the votes.

Yeah, that would look good for his supporters.

by splashy 2008-05-30 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Campaign: Please Stay Home, No Need to C

Hopefully we will see people acting like adults and not turn this into a freak show.

by MissVA 2008-05-30 02:30AM | 0 recs
Yeah, sure looks bad to go against

Counting voters votes. Can't have that, now, can we.

Especially out in the open. Only behind the scenes, with plausible deniability, can it be done.

Remind you of anything?

by splashy 2008-05-30 05:50PM | 0 recs

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