One Obama supporter asks him to speak out against misogyny and sexism

My friend Hannah sent me a copy of the email she sent to someone named Tracy, who's in the field for Obama. Here it is, addressed to tracyinthefielf at gmail dot com:

"Dear Tracy,

I'm a 51 year old white woman, a mom, a grandmother, a lifelong
feminist and Democrat and a strong Obama supporter. I am however,
horrified by the blatant sexism that is expressed (and tolerated) on Obama's website. Most recently, I've been horrified by the Randi Rhodes performance, the fact that Obama supporters were cheering in the audience as she called Hillary and Ferraro "fucking whores" repeatedly.

My best friend of 30 years is a Hillary supporter and I am sure she will never vote for Obama because of the misogyny of so many of his young followers.

I find this distressing because I fully support Barack, have
contributed regularly to his campaign. But I am very opposed to the sexist comments that so many young supporters make with impunity.

I wrote to Obama, asking him to take a stand against sexist rhetoric and Randi Rhodes in particular, just as McCain did when the person introducing him at an event kept stressing Barack's middle name.

If he doesn't condemn it, it's the same as a tacit vote of approval....or worse, indifference.

If one of Hillary's visible supporters got up and did a stand-up
routine where she called Barack a "fucking n-word"(Hannah wrote whole the offensive slur, but I won't) you can believe
there'd be a firestorm.

If we, as Obama supporters, and Obama himself,don't stand up against comparable women-hating talk, how can we ask
Hillary's supporters to rally around our candidate when he wins the nomination?

I would love to see a dialogue on the Field between the camps, and on our side, some self-awareness and self-critique about the tone and tenor of the comments many of our fellow Obama supporters are regularly spouting.

I'd love to see you start a blog dialogue about these excesses. There are tons of us out here who are not comfortable with letting comments like this slide.

Thanks for listening,
Hannah Vrinsky"

I met my oldest friend in 1974 when she was 19 and I was 22 and we were both spiritual seekers and political activists. I'd been to India, she'd lived in ashrams; we both meditated and marched and worked for a better world. We were naïve, not as naïve as some of our peers, however. Hannah had grown up in New Jersey and when she was ten, her father abandoned her family for California in order to become a hippie. I grew up in Texas, along the Louisiana border, and my father suffered the mental and emotional disorders resulting from spending four years in combat in the Pacific theater during WWII and then another two years in some still undisclosed location during the Korean War. In other words, both Hannah and I came from screwed up families and we met at a time and and an age when people bond most closely with their peers.

We both marched against the Viet Nam war, worked for the passage of Roe v Wade, petitioned and demonstrated law enforcement to ensure the use of rape kits in order that more rapists would be convicted. In the 1980s we joined affinity groups to protest nuclear power. We worked together for farm workers' rights and legislation for abused children, and together we facilitated groups for women recovering from domestic abuse.

We have traveled together, helped each other bear children, comforted each other during break ups and divorces, and celebrated births of grandsons, bar mitzvahs and the many ups and downs of life, both big and small, that a long friendship includes.
In the early years Hannah and I lived in the same town, but we've remained committed friends even when our lives have taken us in different directions. When I got married, Hannah made us a beautiful quilt, each stitch hand sewn. And when Hannah came out as a lesbian, I stood by her as some of her immediately family, including her mother, withdrew in disgrace. Hannah met my parents before they died, and I went with her to visit her father during his last week of life. She is godmother to my sons and I am auntie to her two children.

Last year, when they removed a benign tumor from my spine, Hannah left her partner and kids behind and flew to my home to care for me after my surgery. This year, Hannah has undergone two surgeries for breast cancer, and beginning last august, she has endured the most intense series of chemotherapy given. She is now halfway through radiation.

Hannah is an ardent supporter of Obama, and I am perhaps an even more ardent supporter of Hillary Clinton. Hannah's oldest son was in the first Marine Expeditionary Unit sent to Iraq; she sees Obama as the most anti-war candidate. On the other hand, I think Obama is clueless about war--and about leading the country in general. In the beginning it was hard on us, each wanting the other to switch sides. We talk on the phone and email daily, and though we live 2000 miles apart, distance is no big thing when people have been so close for so long.

Because Hannah has been going through horrendous chemo, during which I've been back to help out twice, she's had plenty of time to read and to blog. And she does. She even moderates a quasi official Obama blog. However, it's shocking to me that she reads and blogs several hours a day and then calls me even more enthusiastic about Obama, and very critical of Hillary. In contrast, I read and blog several hours a day and come away even more dedicated and inspired by Hillary and horrified by Obama. Why Hannah isn't mortified by
Jeremiah Wrigh, Rezko, Bill Ayers, Samantha Power, McPeak, Obama's sexist statements, his racial dog whistles, race-baiting, and a race-blaming strategy, the anti-Semites around him, and the anti-gay surrogates in his camp, are unbeknownst to me. Geraldine Farraro spoke a truth about our country when she said, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Clearly Ferraro admits the same was true when she, then a little known congresswoman, was selected as the first and only female vice presidential running mate of Walter Mondale.

I bring these things up to Hannah and she says that it's all negative spin from the Hillary camp, at least that's what her Obama blogs say. And so, because Hannah's more important to me than proving her wrong, we just don't talk about it.

But then the Randi Rhodes fund raising event for Obama happened. What Rhodes said got Hannah's attention, " What a whore Geraldine Ferraro turned out to be. What a whore Geraldine Ferraro is! She's such a fucking whore! I want to see her have to stand beside her husband at one of those mandatory 'I have sinned against you I'm a whore kind of a press conference.' Mr. Ferraro should have to stand next to his whore of a wife... Hillary is a big fucking whore, too." And as her audience of San Francisco Obama supporters laughed hysterically, the dial on the cultural misogyny meter spun out of control. For this, Rhodes was suspended, but we've heard nothing from Obama himself.

Hannah and I talked on the phone about it and I said something along the lines that I thought Obama would just it let float in the ethers as a meme before he denounced it, so the ranting of Rhodes could do its evil work without any effort on his part. I told Hannah that it seems to me that Obama mostly lets his surrogates do the real dirty work for him and then he brushes aside any attempts the media makes to get him to own up to it. That's really how I see it.

Tags: Barack Obama, fund raisers, misogyny, Randi Rhodes, sexism (all tags)



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I'm very sorry for your friend's struggles and wish her health and happiness.

As for you, you basically revealed yourself in the paragraph beginning with "Why Hannah isn't mortified..."

It's too bad. You could've written a diary that probably all of us Obama supporters here would've supported, but instead you couldn't resist the urge to throw in accusations and condemnations in the midst of talking about your oldest friend's cancer struggles.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 09:49PM | 0 recs
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In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize how grossly manipulative this diary is. You actually wrote a diary says, "If even my cancer-ridden friend is upset, you should be, too!"


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 09:58PM | 0 recs
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Just when I don't think BO supporters can disgust me any more than they already have I read a comment like yours. You guys have no idea how you have made us hate BO's candidacy and how determined we are to make sure he is never elected as President.

We were supposed to be on the same side you morons. You need us to support your candidate in the fall if he's the nominee. Democrats are going to be hitting the streets and campaigning for McCain if BO prevails in stealing the nomination. God help us all.

by seattlegonz 2008-04-05 10:07PM | 0 recs
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I don't like Obama either, but if I seriously hear about HRC supporters campaigning for McCain in the fall, I'm going to puke. What a tragic, embarrassing scenario that would be; god help us, indeed.

by sricki 2008-04-05 10:12PM | 0 recs
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You guys have been on this for days - dishonestly tying Randi Rhodes' remarks to Barack Obama.  If we, his supporters, point out the falacy, you threaten to vote for McCain.  If we don't, you go on spreading the rumor, getting people to vote for McCain.

This is what happened:

An Obama supporter advertised on their own personal page at "" for a meetup at a fundraiser for the radio station Green960, where Randi Rhodes was going to speak.  The campaign had no affiliation with Randi Rhodes or Green960.  The remarks had nothing to with Obama, or his campaign.

It's become clear to me that people, seeing that Barack Obama is likely going to be the nominee, want a reason to hate him, and will make one up if they can't find a real one.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:14PM | 0 recs
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Not true. In fact, it was advertised and sold out on Barack Obama's campaign site. See for yourself
by aroundtheblock 2008-04-05 10:21PM | 0 recs
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Yes, we know it's on Obama's website. This is what we spent all day Friday arguing about. As a dozen people explained, you can put your own content on Obama's website and can advertise your own event.

In fact, you can do the the very same thing on Hillary's website.

How about I sign up for a account, and post my own "event" for the brand-new organization I just made up, Klan for Klinton? Could I take a screenshot of it and accuse her of racism then? It'd only be fair, right?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 10:27PM | 0 recs

Wow, I know that shouldn't be funny, but the phrase "Klan for Klinton" cracked me up. (Maybe it had something to do with the way "Klinton" made me think of Klingons.)

by sricki 2008-04-05 10:35PM | 0 recs
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This is the Term of Service at Obama's website

"By submitting material, you grant (or warrant that the owner of such material has expressly granted) to us the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate and distribute such material (in whole or in part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or hereafter developed for the full term of any copyright that may exist in such material. You also permit any other user of the Website to access, view, store or reproduce the material for that user's personal use. You grant us the right to edit, copy, publish and distribute any material you make available to us.. You will indemnify us for, from and against all claims, losses, costs and expenses resulting from the content and information you supply."

by JoeySky18 2008-04-06 01:22PM | 0 recs
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He claims ownership, he also claims responsibility.

by JoeySky18 2008-04-06 01:24PM | 0 recs
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You miss the point re Randi == BO is silent when a supporter calls Sen Clinton a F*cking whore, when his pastor says Bill f*cked black people over, when msn says an number of sexist and disgusting things. Sorry the Mccain support makes you sick but BO makes many progressive women and veterans and typical white people sick. You brought this on yourself. To top it off BO rejects a supporter calling mccain a warmonger, but never says anything re: hillary and ehore? sorry, he's a sickening dem.

by seattlegonz 2008-04-07 08:50PM | 0 recs
This crap again
Seriously did you not read the FP yesterday.
Man it is stuff like this that wants to make me explode in snark like I did a few days ago.
by Student Guy 2008-04-05 10:34PM | 0 recs
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Hook, line, sinker.

You know, this is the same crap that we get subjected to non-stop on this site, only this time, it's hidden amongst the otherwise poignant story of his friend:

,Why Hannah isn't mortified by
Jeremiah Wrigh, Rezko, Bill Ayers, Samantha Power, McPeak, Obama's sexist statements, his racial dog whistles, race-baiting, and a race-blaming strategy, the anti-Semites around him, and the anti-gay surrogates in his camp, are unbeknownst to me. Geraldine Farraro spoke a truth about our country when she said, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.

You have got to be f'ing kidding me. This is literally a Greatest Hits collection of Obama smears. But if we object to it, then we're attacked as what, loving cancer? Is that what you're trying to do here?

Hey, how about if I write an equally ludicrous diary that insists "Hillary hates men, is surrounded by racists, takes money from shady special interests and is a huge liar. And by the way, I have a very ill relative who wrote a letter to Clinton because of what someone said about Obama."

Your reaction would be, "He's right about everything, and I'm not going to object because he invoked his friend's illness"? You must be kidding. I think you would rightfully call me out for it.

As for claiming my comment has pushed you over to McCain, so be it. I had no idea my powers of persuasion were so irresistible. But really, don't let the door hit you on the way out of the Democratic party. We already know how this game works: you insult us, we respond, you promise to vote for McCain. Rinse, lather, repeat.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 10:18PM | 0 recs
I am glad you got to this first

I would have responded in a fit of snark

Probably would have said the word "snipers" a lot in my snark fit

Mojo for saving me the TR's

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 10:36PM | 0 recs
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Wait a mintue - Jeremiah Wright didn't engage in racist, sexist diatribe that obama refused to distance himself from in any substantial way? That's a smear? So that "hillary clinton has never been called a nigger and doesn't know what it's like to work twice as hard" is CGI?

Rezko? Rezko isn't indicted for bribing state officials, and after Obama became a US senator, spent $625k of his own money to help Obama buy a house he wanted? That's not true?

McPeak didn't compare Bill Clinton to McCarthy?

Samantha Powers didn't call her a monster?

Obama didn't claim Clinton's foreign policiy experience was "tea with ambassadors"?

He didn't make that horrible "Periodic" remark?

My, oh my, I thought all those things really happened. If there smears, I guess they didn't. No wonder Obama is feeling victimized! Imagine the audacity of people creating CGI footage of his pastor engaging in  the most racist diatribe I've ever heard from soneone who fancies themselves progressives. Wright should find out who created that and sue them because I believed he really engage in that pigshit rhetoric.

If they're true and in context, they aren't smears. Telling the truth about Obama likely feels like a smear, it's just that he isn't terribly progressive, honest or decent.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 10:37PM | 0 recs
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Telling the truth about Obama likely feels like a smear, it's just that he isn't terribly progressive, honest or decent.

Uh, to you, the "truth" is that Obama is a bigot  and a misogynist asshole, so I'll take your comment with a grain of salt.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 10:42PM | 0 recs
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don't even bother arguing here the whole premise is a bunch of bull.  Tracy at the field is not an Obama partisan.

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 10:48PM | 0 recs
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The only reason I bother is because of how prevalent it is.  If the record isn't corrected now, it's going to wind up on the next long list of made-up scandals.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 11:01PM | 0 recs
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correctly Obama's record isn't going to be good for him. When he finally has to take responsibility for what he has said and what has been said and done in his name, when you combine that with his almost total lack of accomplishments after law school, you don't have someone who looks like a worthy candidate.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 11:07PM | 0 recs
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You hate him.  We know.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 11:12PM | 0 recs
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Little Otter, you're hatred is making you into something I'm sure even you can't stand. It's not worth it, man, you've got so much to live for and be happy about, to be this consumed in hatred. If it's okay with you, I'd like to have Pastor Sonia put you in the Hearts and Minds section this morning; you'd have a whole congregation of methodists praying for you!

by ragekage 2008-04-05 11:56PM | 0 recs
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you hang in there Little Otter.  You are right, stating facts is not smearing.  It is just that everyone is supposed to cover for Obama, that's the Obama roolz.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-06 02:10AM | 0 recs
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Oh it wasn't just your comment but the overall strategy of using GOP hillary-hate and engendering it into the Democratic Party so that Obama supporter sound as disgusting and disrespectful of Democratic leaders as any republican.

It's a fun game to you to throw out your Hitlery, Billary, blah, blah, blah crap. You can go back and see that I was telling you months ago your strategy was the stupidest strategy ever since ever sexist, name-calling insult you directed at Hillary hurts her supporters in it's ugly and vicious delivery. You (speaking about many of you) don't understand that the nomination isn't the end game and you don't understand that you can't treat Hillary supporters like sh*t and then ask us to join you and work for the election of your candidate. It doesn't work that way.

BO would lose the election anyway because he has no experience, he talks about typical white people as racists, he spent 20 years in an anti-American, anti-Semitic and racist church, he has lied repeatedly about his relationship with Tony Rezko and why he did a house walk through and let a man who was under indictment buy and sell next door property, and  because if Wright isn't bad enough there's Ayers, Auchi, Meeks, and the  whole cast of shady characters that most people don't want visiting the white house never mind sitting on the cabinet. But even if he was a great guy, with a stellar record, if he ran as disgusting and vicious a campaign as BO  has he would lose.


Because you need to appeal to the base of the Democratic party in order to win elections. The Kerry Effete wing of the party, the goat cheese brigade, doesn't know how to win and they can't win because they treat the base of the party like dirt and even drive them from democratic blogs.

If you haven't already, at some point you'll be told to make nice to Hillary supporters, speak nicely about Hillary. I'm just telling you -- it'll be way too late. The damage has been done.

Oh, and I love how Obama rejects the radio announcer calling  MCCain a war monger, yet BO remains silent when Rhodes calls two Democratic leaders f*cking whores. Yeah, that's leadership for you.

by seattlegonz 2008-04-06 11:17AM | 0 recs
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You know, I've thought about this comment and I'm sorry. My anger got the better of me. I read a dairy about an Obama supporter and her fight with cancer and you guys jumped all over the perceived criticisms of BO and I just couldn't take it anymore.

For the record -- it is fair in Democratic primary season to talk about things like Rezko, Wright, Ayers and Auchi, to talk about foreign policy experience and the rest. It isn't slanderous at all -- it's called vetting a candidate.

On the other hand it isn't typical Democratic primary tactics to call your opponent a liar, b*tch, witch, monster, whore, and other negative and baseless names that have no bearing on policy but just assassinate character.

The reason Hillary supporters won't support BO (well really there are many...the new poll says that 56% of Hillary supporters won't support BO) is because rather than debate Hillary on policy differences he ran on a "she's evil and I'm hope" platform, and he and his supporters treated her supporters as though they were evil and stupid and crazy, and racist.

Interesting strategy, but not really smart. Because you'll never be able to win these people back. Even if Hillary asks us to vote for BO -- we won't. Even if she asks FL and MI to vote for BO, they won't. We love her but we will not stand for abuse, and you have abused us.

It's too bad...this was the year Dems were going to take the white house. The only chance we have at this point is if Hillary wins the nomination and takes her fighting spirit right to McCain. At least she doesn't tire easily.

by seattlegonz 2008-04-08 10:53AM | 0 recs
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The woman is entitled to her opinion and her feelings and framed her dilemma quite well. There are many of us out there who think that Barack Obama is an irrational choice - no less legitimate, just driven by emotions and unrealistic expectations. Like our diarist, I am happy to listen to Obama supporters make their case. Sadly, I have not been won over myself. When the diarist says she is mortified I believe that she is speaking from the core of her values and who she is. Being mortified is not a sin, being confused is not a sin.
Both candidates have lied (or as their supporters have said, embellished, purposefully or not), both candidates have dealt with people who have not had the candidate's best interests at heart and need to learn from those mistakes. Both candidates have made some politically difficult decisions that they knew would cost them support.
Let's let the discussion continue based on the FACTS of the matter, as best as the diarists on both sides can find appropriate support.
by pan230oh 2008-04-06 06:08AM | 0 recs
Wrong answer, dude. If you approve of calling

Hillary a "big, fucking whore," then you're no progressive.

If you're no progressive, you're not on my team.

So diss away.

See where it gets you.

by No Blood for Hubris 2008-04-06 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong answer, dude. If you approve of calling

Well, good news, then, because no one here "approves" of calling Hillary that. So let's see where your faulty premise gets you.

Frankly, I'd prefer not to be on your "team." If you can so easily misunderstand and misstate my position, then I think you have a real problem playing fairly anyway.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-06 10:58AM | 0 recs
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I agree with Johnny. Especially railing against the sexism and misogyny and what have you inherent in Obama supporters. That really doesn't fly with me. I get to hear about how invalid my feelings or opinions are, worthless a person I am, et cetera, enough around here from the Clinton folks, I don't need it any more.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 10:01PM | 0 recs
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Thank you for the story, recommended

by TexasDarlin 2008-04-05 10:07PM | 0 recs
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Do you know of how your friend's mother got in touch with Barack Obama?

Because, following your friend's example, I am now going to email him everytime someone, somewhere says something sexist, and hold him responsible for it.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:17PM | 0 recs
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Oh, so you're like a nationally syndicated radio talk show host and if you call someone a fucking whore, it's likely to get attention? Because if you aren't,  you're comparison doesn't hold.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 10:38PM | 0 recs
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The point is that neither she nor her statement had anything to do with either Obama or his campaign.

Look.  It's ugly language.  We all agree on that.  The only thing that denouncing it would accomplish would be to put it back in the news cycles.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 11:02PM | 0 recs
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It was ugly rhetoric engaged in by an Obama supporter with a nationally syndicated radio show, advertised on a board owned by the campaign, organized by a group of Obama supporters, to a group of Obama supporters, and on behalf of a radio station that has endorsed him.

All he has to do is express outrage that that kind of rhetoric was engaged in his name but he doesn't. And that's ultimately the difference between him and Clinton. All Obama has is this kind of needless ugliness - without this, he's got nothin' to run on.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 11:10PM | 0 recs
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There were Hillary supporters in the audience as well.  It was a radio station event, and you look silly everytime you try to connect it to Barack Obama.  

by kilowatt 2008-04-07 09:06AM | 0 recs
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BTW, I don't think we all agree it's ugly rhetoric. Obama attended church with Wright for twenty years. He donates money to people who provide the public with really ugly, hateful rhetoric. My take is that Obama totally approves what was said and it represents his thinking.

The point in repudiating the remark about McCain was to show that he wasn't repudiating the rhetoric about Clinton. Obama approves of what Rhodes said. He's fine with it.

Prove me wrong.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 11:16PM | 0 recs
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I think if Wright's sermons were anything like the clips we saw on TV, then they wouldn't have had to replay the same two 30-seconds over and over and over again.

I already answered your first question - you can repudiate what Ed Schulz said because it's not as incendiary.  What Randi Rhodes said was, and Obama (in addition to having no responsibility for it) can't repudiate it without repeating it in some form.

What if someone who supports Hillary Clinton called Obama "the 'n' word", and it got a lot of press?  I would not want Hillary Clinton to do anything but ignore it; first of all, it's not her responsibility to do so, and secondly it would just inflame things.

By the way, "prove me wrong" is stupid.  I can't prove what's in someone's mind and neither can you.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 11:27PM | 0 recs
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That settles it, I'll definitely put you in the Hearts and Minds prayer session, dude. You need it; it hurts me to see someone so consumed in the hate it's the only thing they can see

by ragekage 2008-04-05 11:57PM | 0 recs
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Let's put like this.  If this were turned around and it was about Hillary,and the radio personality said horrible remarks about Obama:  Clinton would be crucified and you all Obamabots know it!  She would definitely have the decency to apologize and she would do it in an instant, like McCain did when the radio personality called Obama by his middle name.

But what does Obama do- nothing absolutely nothing.  That's the type of person you want in the White House?  Well - I don't.  My country is more important than any partisan party I belong to.  Also, maybe for Obama that language doesn't bother him, after all he has sat in Wright racist bigoted church for 20 years hearing worse than that.

You Obama supporters make me sick -(hopefull not all them are like this) you are nothing but morons, that don't see reality- you remind me of people that supported Bush - you are just like them.

by tricia19 2008-04-06 10:15AM | 0 recs
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This is just so unbelievable - I am wondering what language we are all speaking that there is so much faulty and shallow analysis of the candidates and their supporters!  I have posted meetings and events on 'mybarackobama'- I don't know how closely its monitored, probably not enough.  But then again, unsavory events are not often announced at that site.  Randi Rhodes is NOT a part of Obama's campaign - the event did NOT raise money for Obama - and as far as I know, there is still free speech in this country.  Obama and Clinton cannot take responsibility and apologize for every single word their supporters say...Randi Rhodes is NOT a famous person - she is no where near Rush Limbaugh or Don Imus in terms of being a household word (just to reiterate the comparison others have been using).   She should not have said what she said, (even though she was speaking of 'whor...' with a different meaning, but I won't bother to go into that) and you can be sure Barack Obama does not approve of a supporter using such language.  He probably did not even hear of this until it hit the blogs and cable news.  You anti-Obama people are filled with such hatred towards him you will spin and dig for what is simply NOT there.  Wright, Rezko, Randi Rhodes....if this is all you Hillary people have on him, you are doomed! It has not worked, is not working and will not work - face it.

by mariannie 2008-04-06 07:52PM | 0 recs
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So in order to repudiate misogyny, Obama has to condemn a woman? It's a shame Lani Guinier wasn't available to throw under a bus again, eh?

Why is it that the Clintons and their supporters are so eager to throw progressives under the bus in their quest for power?

by Kevin Lyda 2008-04-05 10:22PM | 0 recs
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I don't think Obama is responsible for Randi's comments at all. But honestly, what is "progressive" about calling Ferraro (the first woman to run as VP) and Clinton (the first woman who had a real shot of becoming president) big f*ckin' whores?

And even if that doesn't bother you, why are you not disturbed that a "progressive" chose to use the word "gay" (in that same "comedy" routine) in a derogatory manner to describe something she thought was stupid/lame? How can we call that sort of behavior progressive?

by sricki 2008-04-05 10:32PM | 0 recs
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Gosh, a progressive using strong language to condemn people who they feel are doing the will of corporations instead of the people. There's no historical precedent for that or anything.

And she used a word that has several meanings and depended on her audience to understand. Depending on intelligence, how unprogressive.

You've convinced me. You get the firewood, I'll get the torches - burn the witch! We'll purify the progressive movement by destroying it's supporters one at a time!

by Kevin Lyda 2008-04-05 10:48PM | 0 recs
Re: One Obama supporter asks him to

Wow, stunningly prone to hyperbole, aren't you? I never called for her firing or anything of the sort. You should realize, however, that the use of the word "gay" in that manner is never progressive, regardless of how "intelligent" one's audience might (or might not) be. That word does have a number of meanings in our modern vernacular, but that doesn't make it more acceptable. When it's used to describe something inherently unpleasant, it's inappropriate and tacitly, if not overtly, bigoted. That may not be the intent, but she needs to be mindful of the connotation. It would be similar to Randi using idiotic slang like "nig-rig", or something equally questionable.

It's incredible to me that you can condone this. I can understand defending her for making anti-Hillary remarks (a lot of Obama supporters love that), but this is entirely unrelated. You are aware, I assume, that you can like and appreciate people for who they are and what they've done, without agreeing with everything that's ever come out of their mouths. You don't have to defend every syllable she's ever uttered against the rabid Hillary-loving hordes. Although I do think your witch-burning reference was ironic, and I'm sure you can figure out why.

by sricki 2008-04-05 11:09PM | 0 recs
Re: One Obama supporter asks him to

I love Rhodes, too, and before those comments she's been a great voice of progressivism on the radio (in fact she got her start on a local station here). I'm very well familiar with her envelope-pushing style, but what she said was not acceptable.

I have no problem condemning her remarks, but I get aggravated when people trash her entire body of work prior. It's like I commented the other day: I'm not going to stop loving Kramer on Seinfeld because Michael Richards went off the rails.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 11:09PM | 0 recs
oh come now Kevin

how progressive is it to call women whores?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-06 05:43AM | 0 recs
Yes, he needs to repudiate what she said.

The fundraising event was to benefit him.  Yes, he needs to return any money that was raised.

It's called principled leadership.  He needs to demonstrate that.

Or does this become Obama's Macaca moment?

by No Blood for Hubris 2008-04-06 09:03AM | 0 recs
RE: Yes, he needs to repudiate what she said.

See, that's the thing.  This wasn't an event to fundraise for Barack Obama.  This was an event to support Progressive Talk Radio and was clearly advertised as such.  If you attended, you would have noticed Barack Obama supporters as well as Hillary Clinton supporters and quite possibly a few that support neither.  But you would not have noticed any campaign tables or forms being filled out for donations to either presidential campaign.  You would have heard the Program Directors introduction of Randi Rhodes and the excitement of having a Democrat taking the White House.  

The fact that it was posted on by a listener of the station to help promote the event.  Watch the full footage, which is available, and stop spreading lies.

by kilowatt 2008-04-06 11:28AM | 0 recs
You're not progressive if you're ok with

a speaker using sexist and defamatory language.

Why do you not get that?


by No Blood for Hubris 2008-04-06 09:07AM | 0 recs
Sometimes Politics Stress Friendships

aroundtheblock:  I feel for you.  Not that it will do this to yours, but in 2004, politics ruined my relationship with a friend of 20+ my case, though, she is a Limbaugh Ditto Head.  

This primary season, Sen. Obama has come between me and my Mom, Dad, and sister. While we used to talk quite often, usually about politics, we rarely do so anymore...that can't wait for this election to be over, with our girl on top hopefully.

I remember during 2000---my Dad was so upset about the votes not being counted, he actually purchased one of the Florida voting machines with an actual misleading ballot still in it...

While sexism finally got your friend to speak out to her preferred candidate asking for intervention, I just knew that MI and FL voters be disenfranchised would bring my Dad around.  Unfortunately, I cannot talk to him for fear that we will continue to disagree.  I assume that even the idea of Sen. Obama working against counting votes has not swayed my Dad.

I do hope your friend's treatment is successful.  

A fellow Hillary supporter!!

by cplummer 2008-04-05 10:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Sometimes Politics Stress Friendships

I know exactly how you feel.  I have friends and relatives who keep changing the standard for supporting Obama.  It reminds me of republicans supporting bush and the war in Iraq.  No matter what he does, he's their guy.  I suspect it has more to do with sexism than they can see in themselves.  They just can't see they are supporting an empty suit because they just don't like Hillary and they just don't like her because they have bought the image of her as cold, pushy and somehow inappropriate.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-06 05:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Sometimes Politics Stress Friendships

Can you say what an acceptable reason would be for not supporting Hillary, if it's based on her character, that you don't consider sexism?

by interestedbystander 2008-04-06 11:11AM | 0 recs
Note about Tracy at the field

I read that blog.
She is not a field worker for Obama.

So please join me in giving the warmest of welcomes to our new co-pilot here on The Field: Tracy Joan Russo.

("Applause" sign flashes on.)

Many of you know Tracy already as the Internet genius of John Edwards' campaign, where she served as deputy director of online communications (she was so good at it that Edwards became the clear choice of more bloggers than any other candidate, winning, each month, the Daily Kos straw poll), or when she edited the Democratic National Committee blog and implemented the 50-state online strategy there.

I'll still be weighing in here on major matters and when my other duties permit - keep refreshing this page, as always! - and now there will be even more content here thanks to Tracy's entrance into The Field.

Please, also, toss a coin or two into the RuralVotes cup, by Monday if you can, as you now have two blogging dependents instead of one!

Meanwhile, your good doctor will still be on the airplane to tend to election-induced panic attacks, remind you that there is no sniper fire, and to quote my colleague Dr. House, "If-if you'll all just calm down, your symptoms will soon go away. And to facilitate this process, your flight crew will move through the cabin with a complimentary bar service."

That blog may have Pro Obama spin but Tracy doesn't work for Obama.

Seriously that is a negative against your credibility. For the entire diary.

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 10:47PM | 0 recs
you must think people are as dumb as you

with they were.  Edwards has been over for a while.  She now works for Obama.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-06 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Note about Tracy at the field

Because one element of the dairy is incorrect doesn't make the entire dairy incorrect. If it does Sen. Obama's entire book would be false after he admitted to making composite of some folks to make his points. It would also make everything he said on the campaign trail about his parents a lie after after it is clear that he "misspoke" about Kennedy helping his dad to get to America or his parents being influenced by Selma.

I don't believe that one statement nullifies all statements either in this dairy or in Obama's campaign.

by LadyEagle 2008-04-06 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: One Obama supporter asks him to speak out agai 90

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 11:33PM | 0 recs
You almost got me,

but I have done too much of it and remember the url now (isn't that sad).

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 11:41PM | 0 recs
Re: You almost got me,

Nah, it's not a rick's just a much better way of saying what I was thinking after reading the comment.

We can't embed videos in comments, right?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 11:43PM | 0 recs
Re: You almost got me,

oh, dangit...the video was supposed to be a reply to Little Otter's last comment but it ended up as a new comment. Luckily no one's actually reading this silly thread.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 11:44PM | 0 recs
Re: You almost got me,

shoot what I said was supposed to be a response anyway... that fits perfectly to anything LittleOtter says, I was going to tell LO that he/she had no credibility as all he/she has ever done is to insult Obama/praise Hillary.

Also go to the field and say why you think Obama should be the nominee:

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 11:57PM | 0 recs
That isn't a Rick Roll

The URL looks similar but I think my calling BS had it's effect.  Although I highly rec The Field blog:
to you.  Very good analysis and Al does a good job on reconstructing some of the Clinton myths (he really slammed people over the MSNBC 37% poll).

Also you could have a shot at convincing a superdelegate on how they should vote!

by Student Guy 2008-04-05 11:54PM | 0 recs
Re: One Obama supporter asks him to speak out agai

As a college professor who teaches race and gender in my courses, I was interested in your diary, but I had to stop reading when I clicked on the link to "Obama's sexist comments." Those comments were, objectively, not sexist. For those interested, here is the quote of the alleged sexist remarks from Obama: "I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."

This campaign has exposed the racial and gender hierarchy and construction in this country like never before. There will be volumes written about this from academic scholars. But none of that work will look anything at all like the nit picking stuff that goes on on these kinds of diaries.

Translation: you are missing the point. The ways race and gender have figured in this campaign have  to be studied from a non-ideological and non-partisan perspective (because the ways these discourses are being circulated is through candidate diaries). And you've recreated the very form of that here. If you want what you say you want, you're going to have to do better than that.

You had my attention, you had my interest, and we need diaries that ask questions like this, but we need them not to be candidate diaries or hit pieces. This is where you lost me.

by DrPolitics 2008-04-06 01:05AM | 0 recs
Dr politics

you are just wrong.  His statements were sexist and so was Michelle's reference to Clinton now being able to run her own house (a clear reference to her husband cheating on her) as a reason why she couldn't be president.

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.  Both Obama's have used sexist rhetoric against Hillary and Obama has painted the Clintons as racists to win votes in SC and beyond.  His behavior is unforgivable to me and I will not vote for him.
Bill Clinton and Ferraro said NOTHING Obama and every media pundit had not been saying...

Just because you teach something doesn't mean you know what you are talking about, unfortunately.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-06 06:05AM | 0 recs
"not being able"

I typed "now being able".

It's inexcusable to say a woman can't be president because she can't control her husband.  That leaves all of us out of ever leading anything or anywhere doesn't it?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-06 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: One Obama Supporter

I hope Hannah is well but she will wait for an eternity. There will be no denouncement because then Obama has to admit he is guilty of sexism....blatant sexism. I have contacted Obama four times about the $250,000 from Rezko. I point blank asked him what charities he donated it to and he says see my tax returns.

I am dismayed and saddened by the blinders Obama supporters have on. Obama was the first to draw blood on Hillary. In June of last year he called her Senator Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab). Am I surprised he won't own up to allowing this sort of rhetoric to go on in his camapign. In one word, NO. He did it in Illinois to become a US Senator by kneecapping all his opponents.

When he stood on stage with McPeak and hugged him for accusing Bill Clinton of McCarthyism. I had had enough. Right there on national television he did that and noone blinked an eye. Noone really called him out on that. That was the final straw for me. I cannot ever vote for the man.

by navyvet48 2008-04-06 02:21AM | 0 recs
I was very moved by your account

of your long friendship and the ways in which you have nourished your friendship in spite of differences.  I'm sorry that so many jumped into the diary to attack you on a partisan basis instead of trying to hear what you are saying.

Your friend sounds like a wonderful woman.

by Radiowalla 2008-04-06 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I was very moved by your account

I thank you for this.  I wish all Obama supporters were as gracious and kind.

by The Smoldering Crone 2008-04-06 01:36PM | 0 recs
tell you friend not to hold her breath

Obama never ever takes responsibility for anything.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-06 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: tell you friend not to hold her breath

I saw the following comment in a blog today and found it cut through the chest of Obama's character.

"You see, it is never his fault.
0 responsibility
0 credibility
0 specificity
0 plans
0 accountability

100% hope -- oops, no I misspelled that one.. 100% hype, to be precise.

Today, 12:58 AM sudhakm   Senior Member"

by JoeySky18 2008-04-06 01:34PM | 0 recs
Thank you for sharing your friend's story

It is a shame that it has fallen on deaf ears of the other Obama followers on this site.  I am guessing that Obama's spell has been broken for your friend and, in the end, she will do what so many other Obama supporters have done and that is to see him clearly for the sham that he is.  I hope that she has peace and comfort.

Blessings to you both because friendship is a valuable thing to be treasured.

by macmcd 2008-04-06 05:53PM | 0 recs


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