• on a comment on Obama on Healthcare: My Concern over 4 years ago

    Exactly..

    For example, they can't claim that chemotherapy is an experimental procedure.

    (Although Obama's public option is clearly an risky experimental procedure, we, who cannot - can not afford - can not afford - to take the risk - are expected to risk a decade or so figuring that out!)

    Sh** I spent your inheritance, Sorry!

    Obviously, it will have to be a good plan - much better than those provided by the insurance companies.

    For people who can afford it, and the very poor who get help, it will be great. While it lasts.

    If you are below the privacy line (say, after you have had all your assets taken away by bills) you will probably qualify for assistance in purchasing the public option plan.

    I am not alone in thinking that any comprehensive plan is going to be expensive..

    Illness And Injury As Contributors To Bankruptcy:
    Even universal coverage could leave many Americans vulnerable to bankruptcy unless such coverage was more comprehensive than many current policies.

    By David U. Himmelstein, Elizabeth Warren, Deborah Thorne, and
    Steffie Woolhandler

  • on a comment on Obama on Healthcare: My Concern over 4 years ago

    but its not funny at all..

    making fun of the poor = NOT a Democratic attribute

  • on a comment on Obama on Healthcare: My Concern over 4 years ago

    There are many different plans at a range of prices.

    The pay in the Federal government being what it is, quite a few Federal employees cant afford to purchase any of them.

    http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/planinf o/index.asp

    Obviously, Senators can afford far better health care than their staff members)

    A good source of information on the various public options that exist now is here..

    http://www.healthinsuranceinfo.net/

    The high risk pools are the only guaranteed issue plans that exist in the USA.. search on "high risk pool"

    They tend to either have very high deductibles and copays, or be very expensive, There is no way around that without going to single payer without HUGE subsidies. Do you see the Federal government funding that now that they have given away all of their assets gone so far into debt? No

    Schumer Offers Middle Ground on Health Care

    "¶The public plan must be self-sustaining. It should pay claims with money raised from premiums and co-payments. It should not receive tax revenue or appropriations from the government.

    ¶The public plan should pay doctors and hospitals more than what Medicare pays. Medicare rates, set by law and regulation, are often lower than what private insurers pay.

    ¶The government should not compel doctors and hospitals to participate in a public plan just because they participate in Medicare.

    ¶To prevent the government from serving as both "player and umpire," the officials who manage a public plan should be different from those who regulate the insurance market."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_sel ection

    Illness And Injury As Contributors To Bankruptcy:
    Even universal coverage could leave many Americans vulnerable to bankruptcy unless such coverage was more comprehensive than many current policies.

    By David U. Himmelstein, Elizabeth Warren, Deborah Thorne, and
    Steffie Woolhandler

  • "And so I am just deeply encouraged. And I want the message to go out all across America, we are not going to rest until we've delivered the kind of health care reform that's going to bring down cost for families, and improve quality, affordability, accessibility for all Americans."

    By how much?

    5%, 10%

    People are dying, and the best the Dems can do is 1.5% a year?

    Even if they cut the cost in HALF and make insurance free for those below the poverty line, it still wont help BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE WONT HAVE THE COPAYS AND DEDUCTIBLES..


    Illness And Injury As Contributors To Bankruptcy:
    Even universal coverage could leave many Americans vulnerable to bankruptcy unless such coverage was more comprehensive than many current policies.

    By David U. Himmelstein, Elizabeth Warren, Deborah Thorne, and
    Steffie Woolhandler

    Idiots..

  • comment on a post Healthcare Through the House By August Recess over 4 years ago

    nowhere have I seen even the slightest indication that the money is there for anything comprehensive that doesn't involve single payer.

    Adverse selection will kill the affordability, unless the price is kept high (Schumer's revenue neural requirement will do that, or it will die a slow death as it bleeds money)

    I get the feeling that Obama doesn't want a truly affordable plan, if he did, we would be seeing an angry man right now. He's so complacent, thats not appropriate behavior as the insurance companies and drug companies are stealing our future, all of us.

    This issue is going to come back and haunt the Dems if they betray America.

  • Obama's trash for cash bailout is asset protection for the banks from affordable healthcare.

    How can we fund any attempt at affordable healthcare if we have given every penny to the poor banks!

    Of course, they have to lie and say that they can make a HUGELY money losing proposition like providing affordable healthcare under our obscenely expensive system somehow self-sustaining!! That has to be the biggest lie Ive seen since Stalin claimed that the ex-USSR had "eliminated unemployment" and then sent all the jobless to the gulag!

    Brilliant, huh?

  • And you give me so much s*** for being honest?

    The reality is that we are being sold out and nobody here even cares.

  • comment on a post Obama on Healthcare: My Concern over 4 years ago
    No guarantee that there will be any attempt to make public option affordable
    No money for the needed subsidies
    No end to discrimination because of health
    No end to unaffordable, obscene prescription prices, or indeed, any mention of drug costs or addressing them
    No promise that the untested, experimental public option, whatever it may be, will be anything.
    No way to address the rise in cost for the healthy by insuring the sick as an insurer of last resort.
    No way to prevent the discrimination against those near or over 40 because of increased cost to employers
    No end to linking insurance to jobs, so that the unemployed have to pay much more.
    No reduction in the cost shifting from insurers to patients
    No end to health rationing by making healthcare unaffordable to most Americans unless they CHOOSE to spend more than they can afford or "choose" to risk everything, their families future by choosing the only healthcare options, public or private, that their income can bear.
    No elimination of the 31% of every healthcare dollar spent on the administrators and insurance rationers. No possibility of saving that money for actual care.
  • on a comment on Obama on Healthcare: My Concern over 4 years ago

    ONE POINT FIVE PERCENT!

    That is an example of the kind of "saving money" the kind of improvements in affordability, we have to look forward to if we let the dishonest Obama administration and their friends in the illness cartel hijack the American people's need for AFFORDABLE healthcare.

    its not enough to speak about affordability in abstract terms and sell us fake false "hope" that things will improve through their army of paid bloggers.

    The Obama administration must admit that without unlikely huge subsidies, their "incremental" healthcare reform for this decade will NOT be affordable or they will be continuing their inexcusable LYING to AMERICA on this crucial issue.

    AFFORDABILITY IS CRUCIAL.

    Subsidies are unlikely as they have given away the money they would require for them to the banks..

    "asset protection" for the banks, eh?

  • The Obama administration has no intention of doing what it takes to make healthcare affordable. The so called "public option" they are promoting is so vague, so anemic, that it wont solve a single one of the serious problems we are facing.

    Obama could not possibly be doing a better job of stopping healthcare affordability if he worked for the sickness cartel.

    Does he?

  • comment on a post Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare? over 4 years ago

    her 7-10% income cap..

    Obama is lying to us - lying about affordability, lying about adverse selection.

    " The Moral Hazard Myth - Malcolm Gladwell, New Yorker

    The U.  S.  health-care system, according to "Uninsured in America," has created a group of people who increasingly look different from others and suffer in ways that others do not.  The leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the United States is unpaid medical bills.  

    Half of the uninsured owe money to hospitals, and a third are being pursued by collection agencies.  Children without health insurance are less likely to receive medical attention for serious injuries, for recurrent ear infections, or for asthma.  Lung-cancer patients without insurance are less likely to receive surgery, chemotherapy, or radiation treatment.  Heart-attack victims without health insurance are less likely to receive angioplasty.  People with pneumonia who don't have health insurance are less likely to receive X rays or consultations.  The death rate in any given year for someone without health insurance is twenty-five per cent higher than for someone with insurance.  

    Because the uninsured are sicker than the rest of us, they can't get better jobs, and because they can't get better jobs they can't afford health insurance, and because they can't afford health insurance they get even sicker.  John, the manager of a bar in Idaho, tells Sered and Fernandopulle that as a result of various workplace injuries over the years he takes eight ibuprofen, waits two hours, then takes eight more--and tries to cadge as much prescription pain medication as he can from friends.  "There are times when I should've gone to the doctor, but I couldn't afford to go because I don't have insurance," he says.  "Like when my back messed up, I should've gone.  If I had insurance, I would've went, because I know I could get treatment, but when you can't afford it you don't go.  Because the harder the hole you get into in terms of bills, then you'll never get out.  So you just say, 'I can deal with the pain.' "

  • This is exactly what I was afraid would happen.

    Its happening. We need to make them do something that works. That "something" is single payer.

    Anything else exposes us to too much risk.

    This is not negotiable for America. Obama needs to change his position.

    And stop pushing a untested, experimental public option that ignores adverse selection and which wont be affordable.

  • They are getting a huge number of calls and faxes..
    Their web site is http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/comm ittee.htm

    Here are the numbers..

    Senate Finance Commitee: 202-224-4515
    MAX BAUCUS, MT: 202-224-2651
    JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER IV, WV: 202-224-6472
    KENT CONRAD, ND: 202-224-2043
    JEFF BINGAMAN, NM: 202-224-5521
    JOHN F. KERRY, MA: 202-224-2742
    BLANCHE L. LINCOLN, AR: 202-224-4843
    RON WYDEN, OR : 202-224-5244
    CHARLES E. SCHUMER, NY:  202-224-6542
    DEBBIE STABENOW, MI: 202-224-4822
    MARIA CANTWELL, WA: 202-224-3441
    BILL NELSON, FL: 202-224-5274
    ROBERT MENENDEZ, NJ: 202-224-4744
    THOMAS CARPER, DE:  202-224-2441

    PLEASE CALL AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE NEED AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE, WHICH MEANS SINGLE PAYER, WE KNOW THAT WILL WORK.

    LETS NOT WASTE YEARS ON OBAMA'S UNTESTED EXPERIMENTAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE.

  • Obama's untested experimental "public option" is too big of a risk.

    Its an untested medical procedure.

    It doesn't address adverse selection and even hs own economists admit that he can't make healthcare affordable without either single payer OR massive subsidies.

  • Senate Finance Commitee: 202-224-4515

    MAX BAUCUS, MT: 202-224-2651
    JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER IV, WV: 202-224-6472
    KENT CONRAD, ND: 202-224-2043
    JEFF BINGAMAN, NM: 202-224-5521
    JOHN F. KERRY, MA: 202-224-2742
    BLANCHE L. LINCOLN, AR: 202-224-4843
    RON WYDEN, OR : 202-224-5244
    CHARLES E. SCHUMER, NY:  202-224-6542
    DEBBIE STABENOW, MI: 202-224-4822
    MARIA CANTWELL, WA: 202-224-3441
    BILL NELSON, FL: 202-224-5274
    ROBERT MENENDEZ, NJ: 202-224-4744
    THOMAS CARPER, DE:  202-224-2441

    Senate Finance Commitee: 202-224-4515

    http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/comm ittee.htm

    MAX BAUCUS, MT: 202-224-2651
    JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER IV, WV: 202-224-6472
    KENT CONRAD, ND: 202-224-2043
    JEFF BINGAMAN, NM: 202-224-5521
    JOHN F. KERRY, MA: 202-224-2742
    BLANCHE L. LINCOLN, AR: 202-224-4843
    RON WYDEN, OR : 202-224-5244
    CHARLES E. SCHUMER, NY:  202-224-6542
    DEBBIE STABENOW, MI: 202-224-4822
    MARIA CANTWELL, WA: 202-224-3441
    BILL NELSON, FL: 202-224-5274
    ROBERT MENENDEZ, NJ: 202-224-4744
    THOMAS CARPER, DE:  202-224-2441

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