Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

As the subsidy that would have made a healthcare "public option" affordable for those who really need it vanishes in a puff of bull doo, there is a debate raging in the blogosphere about WHAT exactly DID Obama promise to get elected last November?



Wall Street Asked For Another 75 Billion Today

Since its such a subject of debate, what do YOU think WAS promised by Obama in those heady last days of the primaries, when he was struggling against HRCs lead in popular votes?

My friends think he promised results.

A quick, nonscientific poll of several (nonpolitical) friends indicated to me that those Americans believe that Mr. Obama did promise to work for an AFFORDABLE PUBLIC OPTION THAT INSURED EVEN THOSE WITH HEALTH ISSUES AFFORDABLY.

Not just "something".

What do you think was promised?

Please take the informal poll.

Remember, there will be Presidential elections in 2012 and 2016. "Perhaps" lucky Americans will get lucky get universal healthcare THEN, heh heh.
(nudge nudge, wink wink)

Tags: Barack Obama, Election, fairness, Insurance Companies, Public Option (all tags)

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25 Comments

Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

He promised me a lifetime supply of kool-ade.  Delicious, delicious kool-ade!  That;s probably an answer that jibes with your thesis.

Sorry Archi, as much as I enjoy your rants, I can never push myself to read all that typing in your polls.

by January 20 2009-05-07 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

IIRC, didn't Obama also promise to design and implement an army of cyborgs to live among us; their mission to collect DNA material in an effort to weed out the infirm and other undesirables?

by fogiv 2009-05-08 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

Wow!! PUMA's are no different that Rush's wingnut followers!

by Alistair74 2009-05-07 07:15PM | 0 recs
Whatever the promise was...

...is irrelevant.  The only option the insurance industry is going to accept is one that results in the sickest people and people in the high use demographics getting taken off of their rolls.  Along with a mandate that gives them access to all the males 18-40 that their hearts desire.

You can pretty much be assured that universal health care may as well be called " the health insurance bailout act" since the government is going to go heavily into care providing with none of the benefits of being a health insurer.

Wellness and comprehensive care are going to have to wait a generation or so because the sickest of the sick are going to be put into the public option and these people (even if they made bad health choices) are going to need immediate care. So we are going to get a system where the government pays the cost and insurance companies make the profit.

Baucus has made me such a cynic, that I can only see something like this system getting 60+ votes.  Public pressure from 50 million plus uninsured are going to force our hand into this terrible system.  However, I would see this as the way things were going to be regardless of the Democratic administration.

by AZphilosopher 2009-05-08 01:10AM | 0 recs
Revenue neutral?

Then it will cost at least $3000 a month for HMO, more for PPO.

Thats not counting drugs.

by architek 2009-05-08 05:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Revenue neutral?

What gets worse is that the private option would be so much cheaper but that insurers will guard it jealously.

There's no system that will be acceptable to all sides that will be self-contained and revenue neutral.  I don't want to sound too crass about it but think about it like this is the toxic asset removal program with the sickest of the sick/bad demographic groups being the toxic assets.

Essentially the solution is going to be "OK government you pay for everybody with heart disease, diabetes and pregnancy expenses."  It's not going to be a fiscally responsible solution precisely because the insurance companies are going to want to set themselves up so they can be in the insurance business again and not the care delivery business.

In some sense what needs to be done is some sort of "cram-down" on the insurers (they need to take people they've been refusing to insure and they need fewer pre-existing conditions etc.).  However with Baucus as chairman and health insurance money everywhere, anything else is going to be very tough to deliver even under reconciliation rules.   Failure to deliver anything this year is going to be disastrous.

This is one reason I never used HC as a voting criterion because what is possible is so at odds with what is being proposed that one has zero idea what would stay and what would go in any plan.

by AZphilosopher 2009-05-08 06:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

Yet again a failure of comprehension.

Wall street is not asking for 75 billion more. Please up your reading comprehension skills. The  Fed. saying they need another 75 billion after the stress test is not the same as Wall St. asking for it. And from your cited NYTs article:

Bank of America was told it would have to come up with $34.9 billion. Wells Fargo will have to find $13.7 billion. And Citigroup will have to produce another $5.5 billion, on top of the $52.5 billion that it had planned to acquire by letting the Treasury become its biggest single shareholder as part of a broader deal.

(emphasis added)

As to your affordable healthcare for all ain't happening rant. The only thing that seems to be off the table, at the moment is single payer. Yes, this is a disappointment, but not a surprise. I never saw it happening this go around anyway. What Schummer has offered up are ideas on how a public plan might work. Ideas are just that ideas, not a final plan. However I have no issue with his first idea it must be self sustaining ie pay it's own way.  Taxes or premiums what's the difference. The question will be what will the premiums be. Will they be affordable and provide quality care -- this is what Obama promised.

by jsfox 2009-05-08 04:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

by jsfox 2009-05-08 04:41AM | 0 recs
Ooops n/t

by jsfox 2009-05-08 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

I have no idea what affordable means in this context, but from what I heard, Obama promised universal corporate run medical care. I would suggest that he could never have succeeded in running on a single payer government run program such as Medicare. Hillary understood that as well.

It is time for the "surprise" when Obama tells the American public that corporate systems are not affordable, and that it is time to open the Medicare system average families unable to afford the corporation rates. And of course there are many corporations who would be willing to get the costs of medical care off their backs, who would support the switch to a less expensive government run program.

Single payer is inevitable, but we're not going to get there in one leap.

by MainStreet 2009-05-08 06:07AM | 0 recs
People are swamping the Finance Committee members

They are getting a huge number of calls and faxes..
Their web site is http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/comm ittee.htm

Here are the numbers..

Senate Finance Commitee: 202-224-4515
MAX BAUCUS, MT: 202-224-2651
JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER IV, WV: 202-224-6472
KENT CONRAD, ND: 202-224-2043
JEFF BINGAMAN, NM: 202-224-5521
JOHN F. KERRY, MA: 202-224-2742
BLANCHE L. LINCOLN, AR: 202-224-4843
RON WYDEN, OR : 202-224-5244
CHARLES E. SCHUMER, NY:  202-224-6542
DEBBIE STABENOW, MI: 202-224-4822
MARIA CANTWELL, WA: 202-224-3441
BILL NELSON, FL: 202-224-5274
ROBERT MENENDEZ, NJ: 202-224-4744
THOMAS CARPER, DE:  202-224-2441

PLEASE CALL AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE NEED AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE, WHICH MEANS SINGLE PAYER, WE KNOW THAT WILL WORK.

LETS NOT WASTE YEARS ON OBAMA'S UNTESTED EXPERIMENTAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE.

by architek 2009-05-10 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?
Obama did promise us that he would Change. Now that he has joined forces with AIG (Big Insurance) that Health Care Law will get passed and Rubber Stamped. Yes but then again they were too busy worshiping anyway to notice Obama's healthcare or health insurance plan never was that great to begin with. He even defended it with right wing talking points.
by miyaka 2009-05-08 06:19AM | 0 recs
Since this is far from finalized....

Why don't we give Obama and the Congress a chance to actually formulate and come up with the plan before we attack it!!

by nikkid 2009-05-08 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Since this is far from finalized....

Really? Then you can tell me why is there not a single representative for single-payer plan on the Baucus panel when you have insurers galore? Or why were physicians getting arrested at the hearing instead of being heard? Or why does the current public opinion in its present form represents a white-wash that will do nothing but be yet another senatorial exercise in theatricals? Don't abdicate your responsibility as a citizen. When the bill is written it will get so much PR that no one will be able to stop it...and right now it is a trojan horse.

by tarheel74 2009-05-08 09:08AM | 0 recs
Re: I like Schumer proposal

Schumer's proposal as it now stands makes public option so toothless that it cannot be an option or a tool to bring cost down. The Schumer option is just private plan with a government face.

by tarheel74 2009-05-08 11:37AM | 0 recs
Re: I like Schumer proposal

However if he can maintain the inherent advantage of the public plan to negotiate prices with drug companies and lower costs because of its size then the proposal becomes viable as private insurers will have to find ways to either cut costs or increase benefits to compete. But right now he just wants a stripped down public plan to compete with private plans on a level playing field...whatever that means.

by tarheel74 2009-05-08 11:44AM | 0 recs
Health Care for America NOW

doesn't see it that way.

by DTOzone 2009-05-08 11:57AM | 0 recs
Obama is this Great Magician who would

wave his magic wand and all of our problems with our faltering economy, two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, rising healthcare costs and unisured, rising unemployment, LGBT rights and inequality, housing bubble crash, imploding of financial and automotive sectors, white collar corruption, dwindling worker rights and unionization, immigration reforms, Social Security and Medicare problems, exploding budget deficit, piracy in Indian Ocean, Taliban resurgence in Pakistan and nukes, Iran and North Korea acting out as rogue nuclear regimes, Israel/Palestinian crisis, ....would just go away...just like that...

All of these critics are coming out of woodwork because he wouldn't wave his magic wand...umm..let us see, Obama had fared quite well in the last 110 days or so when facing magnitude of problems that last five of our Presidents faced all put together...

by louisprandtl 2009-05-08 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Poll, Did Obama Promise Affordable Healthcare?

Unfortunately, the only person whose plan included a public option was John Edwards.

I DO think it's funny that you're insisting on a public option NOW, when you were busy huffing and puffing for a private only option during the election, because that's what your candidate proposed.  Any stick to beat a dog with, although if you actually cared about health care you wouldn't keep moving the goalposts.

by Jess81 2009-05-09 09:24AM | 0 recs
Everything that I feared is coming true

This is exactly what I was afraid would happen.

Its happening. We need to make them do something that works. That "something" is single payer.

Anything else exposes us to too much risk.

This is not negotiable for America. Obama needs to change his position.

And stop pushing a untested, experimental public option that ignores adverse selection and which wont be affordable.

by architek 2009-05-10 05:17PM | 0 recs
Then why were you NOT fighting

for single payer during the primaries arch? Don't you understand YOUR little healthcare flip-flop (along with your piece of shit diaries) shows you HAVE NO CREDIBILITY!

Where were you a year ago when you said Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan, which was not single payer, was fine. (PS- it was)

by DTOzone 2009-05-11 04:56PM | 0 recs
HRC's plan added up, because of the mandate and

her 7-10% income cap..

Obama is lying to us - lying about affordability, lying about adverse selection.

" The Moral Hazard Myth - Malcolm Gladwell, New Yorker

The U.  S.  health-care system, according to "Uninsured in America," has created a group of people who increasingly look different from others and suffer in ways that others do not.  The leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the United States is unpaid medical bills.  

Half of the uninsured owe money to hospitals, and a third are being pursued by collection agencies.  Children without health insurance are less likely to receive medical attention for serious injuries, for recurrent ear infections, or for asthma.  Lung-cancer patients without insurance are less likely to receive surgery, chemotherapy, or radiation treatment.  Heart-attack victims without health insurance are less likely to receive angioplasty.  People with pneumonia who don't have health insurance are less likely to receive X rays or consultations.  The death rate in any given year for someone without health insurance is twenty-five per cent higher than for someone with insurance.  

Because the uninsured are sicker than the rest of us, they can't get better jobs, and because they can't get better jobs they can't afford health insurance, and because they can't afford health insurance they get even sicker.  John, the manager of a bar in Idaho, tells Sered and Fernandopulle that as a result of various workplace injuries over the years he takes eight ibuprofen, waits two hours, then takes eight more--and tries to cadge as much prescription pain medication as he can from friends.  "There are times when I should've gone to the doctor, but I couldn't afford to go because I don't have insurance," he says.  "Like when my back messed up, I should've gone.  If I had insurance, I would've went, because I know I could get treatment, but when you can't afford it you don't go.  Because the harder the hole you get into in terms of bills, then you'll never get out.  So you just say, 'I can deal with the pain.' "

by architek 2009-05-11 05:14PM | 0 recs
But I thought Single-Payer was the only solution?

isn't that what you've been saying? You mean single-payer isn't the only solution?

by DTOzone 2009-05-11 05:21PM | 0 recs
Do you understand that Obama is lying?

And you give me so much s*** for being honest?

The reality is that we are being sold out and nobody here even cares.

by architek 2009-05-11 05:41PM | 0 recs
arch please

spare us your crocodile tears. You don't give a fuck about people with no healthcare, all you care about to settling a year old score because you a bitter petulant child. If you really cared about single-payer, you would have cared a year ago and not when the "inadequate black man" was elected

by DTOzone 2009-05-11 06:27PM | 0 recs

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