ObamaDems Caving In To Healthcare Industry Pressure To Preserve Their Profits

The times they are a changin!

The New York Times and Washington Post are crying foul on the Obama camp's seeming willingness to cave on all-important campaign promises.

"Health-Care Dialogue Alarms Obama's Allies: As Congress returns to begin an intense debate over reshaping the nation's $2.2 trillion health-care system, prominent left-leaning organizations and liberal House members are issuing a warning to their Democratic allies: Don't cave on us."

NYT, reporting on the Democratic leadership's ominous post-bailout predictions of tight money in Washington for healthcare reform in the article "Obama's Revenue Plans Hit Resistance in Congress"says: "Administration officials say there is a tremendous amount of money to be found in savings gained through changes in health care delivery and information technology, and such savings will reduce the revenue Congress must find. "By combining Medicare and Medicaid savings and these game-changing efficiency improvements with some additional revenue," said Mr. Orszag, the president's budget chief, "I think a deficit-neutral health care reform is eminently doable."

That sounds like a broken promise to me.

Is Obama's a Bait and Switch Presidency?

Is anybody really surprised that now, after Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama's 800 Billion dollar bailout for bankers, money for healthcare reform seems to have (surprise) dried up? (It almost seems as if it was planned out in advance, doesn't it?)

According to the New York Times, the Obama regime, with Democrat cooperation, seems to be giving up on meaningful healthcare changes. (surpriiisseee!) In their place, we will receive the things the healthcare cartel has been asking for. Especially health IT, which will simplify the pricing process for insurance - its a huge gift for insurers.

This country is like an abusive family, in which the kids don't even know that things could be better. It is frustrating to hear again and again these endless stories of people trying to obtain health insurance, when it is provided as a public service for all in other countries.

Tags: cashfortrash, genelining, looting of America, medical it, obamadems (all tags)



Is Obama's a Bait and Switch Presidency?

No, it's a conspiracy between George Soros and the Trilateral Commission to deny Hillary Clinton the presidency.  Geez, try to keep up!

by TexasDarling 2009-04-20 07:39PM | 0 recs
Serious question

Why do you believe deficit-neutral health care means no health care?

by Neef 2009-04-20 07:43PM | 0 recs
Because health care costs money

Obviously, in the long term caring for sick people saves money in total. But the name of the game in America seems to be using poor people's remaining assets as a bank. For example, people are so desperate for work that they will take dangerous jobs, even jobs that make them sick, to keep a roof over their heads. That represents a subsidy to their employer, using their remaining health.

In a sense, the fact that Americans must have politicians rule us puts us in a bind. We have a choice, choice A or choice B. Both choices plan to take from us, we have no power, they own everything. Which is the lesser of two evils?

Okay, its true, work isn't worth what it used to be. People will work for almost nothing, so we are defined by our earnings. A Bernard Madoff is worth twenty thousands Mr. and Mrs. Real.

Insurance in an ideal world would balance the needs of the various interests, but in reality they take and take. Politicians also take and take, They steal our votes, and then they dont deliver.

by architek 2009-04-20 08:16PM | 0 recs
Healthcare cartel's wealth is clearly worth more

than the survival of all of the working people of America.

The dysfunctional and corrupt system is valued at more than the people who it is supposed to be helping's lives.

by architek 2009-04-20 08:19PM | 0 recs
A relative in the insurance business told me

that the real purose for insurance is to insure confidence. Not necessarily justified.

As long as people keep buying things, and not saving money for a rainy day, it will have served its purpose.

by architek 2009-04-20 08:21PM | 0 recs
What the hell are you babbling about?

Somehow something about healthcare turned into saving money? You're not making any sense.

by DTOzone 2009-04-20 08:28PM | 0 recs
That the real social purpose of insurance

is not to prevent individual financial catastrophes, or insulate people from risk, as they claim it is, but instead its to start, or keep people buying, and prevent them from asking for far more money in wages, (what they would otherwise need).

by architek 2009-04-20 08:54PM | 0 recs
Shesssh...Don't interupt him...

It's best when he does the diary, then does a bunch of posts talking and answering self.

It's rather circular, but no one really gets Archy quite as much as Archy himself!

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Shesssh...Don't interupt him...

You have to wonder, when he has an entire thread consisting of him replying to himself.  Did he forget to log in and out of a sockpuppet?  Are different personalities talking to one another?

by Dreorg 2009-04-21 03:34AM | 0 recs
You could reply to my points..

You folk are the ones replying to ourselves..

Funny how that pathological projection works..

by architek 2009-04-21 04:38AM | 0 recs
Replying to Ourselves?

by DTOzone 2009-04-21 06:16AM | 0 recs


by architek 2009-04-21 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: You could reply to my points..

I don't really want to interrupt the ongoing conversation you seem to be having with yourself.

by Dreorg 2009-04-21 07:31AM | 0 recs
Not "enough" "scare" quotes

I have never seen such a radical devotion to liberal incrementalism in my life.  If this was for single payer I'd understand, but you're all like "Managed Care now!  Let's make big insurance even bigger!  Free market solutions now, free market solutions forever!"  It's weird.

by Jess81 2009-04-20 08:14PM | 0 recs
That sounds like a broken promise to me.

you sound like a broken record to us...

Hey, here's a good idea.

Just submit ONE blame Obama/Health Care diatribe, a typical content free, couple of links, ignore the facts that it's going to DEMOCRATS in Congress like Bachus that torpedo real health care change...

You know, the same diary you do over and over and over and over and over again.

Then, the moderators can just post it every day at noon...

So much easier for all I think.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 10:00PM | 0 recs
Some suggestions . . .

You know Archy if you toned down vitriol you just might get a good discussion around your one issue.

Stop and think before you write. Remember this site on the whole supports Obama. (Please don't confuse support with always agreeing) So trashing him, saying things like "he is bait an switch" is not going to garner you any support and it is going to just piss people off and rightly so.

Next: Loose your polls they on the whole they just point out you still haven't gotten past the primary. And immediately make your diaries suspect and easily trashed.

But by all means you are free to keep doing what you are doing and have people just dump all over you. However, I would think you'd be a bit tired of nobody listening to you. Especially since you obviously care so deeply about healthcare.

by jsfox 2009-04-21 04:18AM | 0 recs
Thanks for what is obviously good advice

You are right. I get too emotional. I see things perhaps before many other people do.

I have had a pretty hard life and I know the signs of people who are lying too well.

by architek 2009-04-21 04:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks for what is obviously good advice

I see.  You care too much, and it's hard because you're so much smarter and more perceptive than regular people.  Oh, and the rough life has made you a human lie detector, like DeNiro's character in Meet The Parents, except you can do it with people you don't even know via the internet.

Yeah, that makes sense.

by fogiv 2009-04-21 08:44AM | 0 recs
Are you saying

that we don't have single payer Universal Health Care yet? I can't believe it! That lying SOB! Jezzus, I wish I'd listened to you closer during the primary campaign.... all the sick poor people in America would be winning marathons by now if I had.

Sorry. My bad.

We're doomed!

by QTG 2009-04-21 05:45AM | 0 recs
We, Mexico and Turkey

among all the developed nations, dont have UHC that works.

Its "off the table" says Obama.

by architek 2009-04-21 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: We, Mexico and Turkey

Everyone here knows that. But the rest of us don't blame Obama for it, or believe that had anyone else been elected it would be any different today.


by QTG 2009-04-21 06:23AM | 0 recs
Did you read the articles?

People are blaming Obama, and they think that this was his plan from the start, just like his employee, Jim Cooper, for some reason he hates the idea of real universal healthcare.

Perhaps because it increases job mobility or raises salaries.

Perhaps because the special interests have some hidden hold over him.

Nobody knows.

by architek 2009-04-21 06:50AM | 0 recs
The article says no such thing

it blames Ted Kennedy more than Barack Obama.

Really arch, the lying hit pieces are getting old.

by DTOzone 2009-04-21 07:09AM | 0 recs
Thanks, that was MY point

It doesn't matter WHAT the article he links says, Archy blames Obama.

He needs to take Jsfoxs advice, and amp down the vitrol.

No matter what he thinks, his gal SOS Clinton as President would be hitting the same headwinds, so stop blaming Obama for the political realities of the day.

He needs to understand, this Senate has a lot of Democrats that are closer in political philosopy to Reagan then to FDR. The Senate has the main control on this, Obama can't wave the magic wand of liberal transformation and turn Max Bachus into Tip O'Neil.

So, his continual taking of a very important subject and making it his vehicle for reliving the primaries is not only counter-productive, it is getting so predicatble, he is almost a parody of himself.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-21 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Did you read the articles?

Some people are blaming Obama, that's true. It doesn't mean he's to blame.

92 days in office. Ninety-Two Days in Office!

You should concentrate your energies on getting healthy, architek. This obsession you have with the Primaries can't be good for you. There will be no impeachment. Things (including the Health Care System) may get better (but they may get worse, first).

You aren't helping.

by QTG 2009-04-21 07:22AM | 0 recs
stop complaining and get off your butt

Instead of complaining, why don't you see what is going on in your own state?  If you care so much about single payer, why don't you take the time you are wasting making polls and donate it to a group that is actually doing something about making single payer a reality?  

by selfevident 2009-04-21 10:56AM | 0 recs

of the undemocratic caucuses!

by DTOzone 2009-04-21 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Because

Yeah!  Stop big Ping-Pong! Wait, sorry.  I forgot whay I hated Obama today.

by fogiv 2009-04-21 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Because

What was the whole Big Ping-Pong thing again?  That's triggering my inside joke alarm but I can't remember.

My favorite is "Big Lol"

by Jess81 2009-04-21 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Because

Sad to say, but I can't remember what Pig-Pong-Gate was all about either.  I just remember it was hilarious.  There was so much great snark back during the Great War...er...Primaries.  Would have filled a book.  

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

by fogiv 2009-04-21 07:51PM | 0 recs
by fogiv 2009-04-21 08:22PM | 0 recs
And who is part of the PUMA parade

in the thread? our own archie!!!

Also, frankly0, which sort of explains s/he's deadender anti-Obama persona over on OpenLeft.

by DTOzone 2009-04-21 09:20PM | 0 recs
Wow, I do forget the level of the loony

Love the open thanks to Larry Johnson...

Sheesh...gone baby, gone. The freepers had nothing on the mental state of that crew.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-22 10:27AM | 0 recs
I'm STILL waiting for the apoligy

for Finger Flip-Off Shrug-off gate. I think Barack needs to do it personally to Allegre, to finally be forgiven.

Obama was the Anti-Christ cause he made a gesture whiping his shoulders.  

No outrage in the history of mankind was greater!

I remember for about a week, there were almost no other diaries except about shrugging and flipping the bird!

Almost sounds unbelievable, if you just give out the details now, how worked up some posters were.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-22 10:35AM | 0 recs


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