Lose your House, Lose Your Vote?

A news article I just saw about the GOP in Michigan planning to challenge the votes of people who have been evicted from their homes made me think.

Lose your house, lose your vote
http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lo se-your-house-lose-your-vote

Is our right to vote contingent on our having a physical address?

Banks are taking many people's homes. Millions of others lose theirs because of a family member's unplanned illnesses and medical costs. Millions of others are losing jobs. Others are being displaced as gas prices make cites much more desirable places to live and their apartments are converted to condos. Often, there is noplace for them to go that they can afford, although they often still have jobs.

People may live out of their cars for a while, or may stay with friends, moving from one to another.

Many, especially unionized workers may have pension issues. They must try to keep their jobs and potential pensions where they used to live. Most hope to have a home again, someday. They remain registered to vote, although they may not still have homes. Similar things happened in the 1930s.

In the case of large scale displacements and evictions, in which people are made homeless, does simply forcing people out of their homes make them ineligible to vote?

They are still human.

With large scale displacements going on in many US cities as the result of gentrification and condo conversions, this is an important question.

Tags: displacement, foreclosures, Voter Disenfranchisement (all tags)



Re: Lose your House, Lose Your Vote?

I have no problem with valid ID

by soyousay 2008-09-16 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Lose your House, Lose Your Vote?

If and only if that ID is free. Otherwise, it qualifies as a poll tax. If they want to charge for getting a driver's license, that's fine. But charging for pure and simple identification is wrong.

That said, saying that this is to prevent voter fraud is silly, because that hasn't been a major problem in decades.

by vcalzone 2008-09-16 01:55PM | 0 recs
What district?

Sleeping outdoors is illegal in many cities.

What address would the displaced people use? "Third parking lot from the left, under the Bush?"

by architek 2008-09-16 02:31PM | 0 recs
As far as I can tell, your district is determined

by where you live.

If you are homeless, post Sept 11, you can't even get a PO box.. Even if you did, a PO box is not enough.

So you can't register to vote until you can afford to live somewhere.

If you have recently been foreclosed on, you also may find it hard to rent with bad credit.

In many cities, they want you to also make 40 times the monthly rent, yearly.

This may effect a lot of people.

by architek 2008-09-16 02:41PM | 0 recs
They no longer live anywhere..

The people who are being disenfranchised do have valid ID.

They are being disenfranchised because they "no longer live in the district", being homeless.

They no longer live ANYWHERE. They will not be able to vote, because they have truly been disenfranchised.

Politicians don't care about them because they "no longer live in their district".

See, even you folks are trying to change the subject and pretend you don't understand what I am saying.

by architek 2008-09-16 02:46PM | 0 recs
you don't know

How do you know whether there's voter fraud without proper ID. Talk about silly.

by soyousay 2008-09-16 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: you don't know

Actually the definition of silly is buying the argument that voter fraud is rampant.  None of the independent groups that studied it have found any evidence to support that GOP claim.

That said, just because your house is on a foreclosure list does not automatically mean that you are evicted.  

by JenKinFLA 2008-09-16 03:19PM | 0 recs
You're blind - see no evil

DETROIT - Elections officials say fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications appear to be a widespread problem in Michigan. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-a p-mi-applicationsquest,0,4830442.story

If there's voter registration fraud, chances are there's also voter fraud.

by soyousay 2008-09-16 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: You're blind - see no evil

Okay... you are wrong...

First off, gee, the GOP lashing out against ACORN (use your Google)...?  Well, they are community organizers.  Didn't you get the memo that they are blacklisted this year?

Secondly, no, just because there is duplication in registration does not evidence fraud.  That is why there is a lag between the registration deadline and election day... so they can verify and sort things out.

Third... Seriously...?

by JenKinFLA 2008-09-16 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: You're blind - see no evil

Seriously...You are defending acorn? Heh

"duplication in registration does not evidence fraud" <---Does it make it acceptable? Call it whatever you want; more of a reason to have valid ID. Ridiculous. I have to leave...defend away.

by soyousay 2008-09-16 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: You're blind - see no evil

I have an abiding respect for community organizers.

by JenKinFLA 2008-09-16 06:17PM | 0 recs
Suppose you really HAVE been evicted, and have no

home. You are homeless, living out of your car. Where are you supposed to vote?

That is the point I am trying to make. Lots of people are homeless. Does that mean they cannot vote?

by architek 2008-09-17 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: You're blind - see no evil

To your other point about voter fraud...

You have cited exactly zero evidence of your claim of voter fraud.  I.D. laws and the like are simple attempts at voter suppression.  Simple as that.  The targets of this voter suppression tend to vote Democratic.

I'm sorry that doesn't upset you.

by JenKinFLA 2008-09-16 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: You're blind - see no evil

That's not voter fraud. Actual, real instances of voters voting twice are extremely rare. Doing this en masse is even MORE rare. Frankly, the faulty voting machines are about 5,000,000 times more worthy of an issue. The ID shit is just a way to keep us from focusing on stuff like that.

by vcalzone 2008-09-16 11:46PM | 0 recs
I thought people could vote at their old address

if they had not found a new place to live.. (People who have been evicted will find it hard - landlords wont rent to them.)

Evidently I was wrong and neither the Democratic party or the GOP care?

by architek 2008-09-17 01:28PM | 0 recs
I think well be ok

The Democrats will have lawyers all over the place. They'll move quickly and (hopefully) with preparations for most contingencies.

by vcalzone 2008-09-18 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Lose

RFID every child at birth, Tattoo, Brand, and earmark (like they do swine) based on State and City of birth, and dip a finger in an inkwell after voting - which will be required activity or suffer a fine and jail.

And to simplify things even more, just one name on the ballot.

Burka not optional.

by QTG 2008-09-16 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Lose

Well said... have some mojo.

by JenKinFLA 2008-09-16 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Lose your House, Lose Your Vote?

Not in my state (NY). In NY, when you move from district A to district B, and don't reregister properly in district B, you do not lose your vote, but you do have to go back to District A to vote. My son moved from Albany to Manhattan a month ago, and if I had not marched him to the mailbox, with his registration form, he would have had to drive up to Albany to vote, but he could have voted there.  And in NY, 'homeless' people can register, even if their 'home' is 'under the viaduct at Jones Street in X county.' or the Kingsbridge Armory Homeless Shelter. Once you're registered, there is a place you can vote. You just have to go to it. Wherever it is.

Title to property or a lease for a rental is not the test for voting. You can vote if you live with Auntie Maggie. Or don't live anywhere, as long as the 'anywhere' you don't live in can be located so your proper election district can be determined.

Under their theory, but not NY, college students  away at school cannot register at home and vote from there because they lay their heads down to sleep at school, and cannot vote at school because their official residence is at home, and people in hospitals or away in service cannot vote either. This is just being nasty and partisan, and FRIVOLOUS, for progressive lawyers in that state, Friv being a legal magic word which produces financial and other legal  sanctions on the filer and his attorney.

In my state at least, the point of registering at A is so you can be counted in the Asssembly and Senate and local races for offices representing A. You do not lose the right to vote because you moved and did not reregister as long as both ends of the move are in the same state.

People who have moved to another state may have a different analysis.

by Christy1947 2008-09-16 06:57PM | 0 recs


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