Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I just got the word on how this race ended, with something that didn't surprise me, after Maureen Dowd had written that the party would prefer losing with Barack than winning with Hillary. Everyone knows by now that I'm a Hillary supporter who always felt great about my candidate. I see her as girl wonk, smartest girl in the class, hardest working and nicest, the one that cares about women and kids and sick people and those that are the 'least' among us, and don't get listened to. I was proud of her campaign that hit the high roads and avoided being small.  

But Barack has won, and now it seems the party may just want his money base and don't care so much if we lose with him.  Maureen often has the inside track, she heard that gossip before I did.  

So, I'd like to help Barack prove them wrong. I'd like Barack to show that he can win and be a decent president, and I'm here to help him.  How? Of course the easiest way is to select Hillary as his VP, listen to her and put her to work. but maybe his money men can't bear anyone named Clinton, much less a girl Clinton, getting in their way when it comes to reshaping Washington in terms of power and influence (no one thinks they do anything for free).  So if they prevent you from getting the most qualified and bestest and nicest and most knowledgeable vice president, cause, you know you do owe them a lot, do the next best thing, steal her.  

First off: stop being sooo depressing. HIllary made running for president look jolly and a kick in the pants. She rarely looked tired and she was always upbeat and optimistic about this goofy and diverse nation of ours. She recognized that the Bush years were bummers, and that we want a president who's cheerful and makes it look easy, even when we know it isn't. So, cheer up. You won, be happy and show it. Tell us how wowed you are and excited and totally grateful and pleased to get the nomination. Learn to give the warm look. You look nicer when you're speeching than up close, you need to look people in the eyes and smile with your mouth as well as with your eyes.   Touch them warmly, listen as if you're really listening, if you can't do it naturally, remember what your first new born daughter looked like and practice.  Looking off in space makes you look remote and removed.  Don't do that ever again, look ahead.  Start smiling. Learn to laugh. Irony is dead, it's depressing, silly is more cheery.  

Grab her ideas, we'll love it if you take all her ideas and credit her, and say they're great ideas and ask us which ones we like best and which ones we want soonest.

Grab her staff-in-waiting, she's prepared for years for this job, with the biggest group of professionals and experts ever lined up, to clean the biggest mess a sitting president was able to make, the bush mess. And steal her promise, promise to reverse bush and clean up his mess.  And tell us to hold you accountable.

Grab her plans. She knows every agency, who's in charge, who's a hack and who isn't, who knows how to motivate workers and who puts them off and makes them cranky and unproductive. She's got a bunch of retired professionals willing to come out of retirement to be caretaker heads of agencies.  Ask her for her plans, she's actually nice, she'd give you her plans.  Remember, she hasn't asked to be VP, she made no 'deals,' she got told that her support wasn't going to stick with her, so she decided to suspend, whatever the media who loves to blame her for anything and everything may have told you.

Start getting ready for day one.  I know you've been told that you don't actually need to win, they just want you running, but surprise them, make yourself as qualified as a guy can learn himself up to be. Get up to speed.  Start learning history. It was very silly of you to woo the Jewish voters by promising to keep Jerusalem undivided, you gave everyone the wrong idea with that gaffe, you need real foreign policy advisors, and I'd suggest you grab Hillary and her foreign policy advisors.

Start crediting your staff.  Start putting out multiple daily issue papers, like Hillary did, showing us just how you think the president should react to this or that, in real time. She showed her experience, didn't just say it.  We could all judge for ourselves, you should do that too.

Don't run negative on John McCain, he's a bubble boy, and a war hero and he has the sympathy vote.  You don't need to beat on an old tortured guy for being a bubble boy, you just need to make yourself as different from a bubble boy as possible. You need to get expansive, like Hillary, get real thinkers on board, you won, you can ask anyone you like for advice.  Go for it, it should be fun.  And it should look fun, start having fun.  

Get Caroline Kennedy off your VP search team. she's not qualified, she's just a nice person and the daughter of a late president. get qualified people on that committee, no hacks.

As a matter of fact, pay back no favors with jobs. let them sleep in the Lincoln bedroom after you win, don't give them jobs. Hire only real professionals and real experts, and if they don't perform, fire their butts and get in people that can get the job done.

These are just a few ideas, but enough to get you started. We know you had a lot of inside help to get this nomination, but you have it now, you're the only game in town, and even if they don't care if you win, everyone who wants the war to end cares.  You won, do your best to win the GE.  We have kids over there who should be home, bring home our troops.  

Tags: Barack Obama, the DNC (all tags)

Comments

223 Comments

Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

tips for Barack.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:07PM | 0 recs
actually, he is getting some of Clinton's top team

Three Clinton negotiators -- all confidantes of the Senator and her husband -- have been dispatched to Chicago to spearhead this effort, a source told The Huffington Post. Bob Barnett, a powerhouse Washington lawyer, Cheryl Mills, another lawyer, and Minyon Moore, a political consultant, were meeting today to discuss three key areas of negotiations: what role Hillary Clinton will play at the Democratic convention in August, the nature of her involvement in Obama's general election campaign, and the Obama campaign's plans to help alleviate her campaign debt, which is believed to be around $30 million.

by slinkerwink 2008-06-09 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

far out, i hope someone sends him this diary. when he picked Caroline i was all, what?  What's that about?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

Why shouldn't he pick her? She has a lifetime of political and public involvement and has written a number of books for the general public on rights and politics.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

there are far more qualified people who didn't throw their high profile support to him? he's supposed to be not politics as usual.  There are a lot of experts he's never even met.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

How does his vetting team compare to those in the past, Anna? This one is certainly not inferior to those.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

he should go retro now? I don't think so, but it's an idea, anyway.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

That's not what I said.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

Um, I think being able to defeat the most recognized Democratic family in history says much more about his campaign decisions.

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:21PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

It would be useful to have people on his VP search team that actually supported him. If you put a Republican expert on there then they're just gonna offer you Kucinich, you put a bunch of Clinton supporters on they'll just say "Hillary is the best choice". You want some people who are going to look at the best options for Obama. People who supported him are going to do that.

Isn't this really obvious?

by grass 2008-06-09 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

that's the George Bush idea, loyalty first. I like the Hillary idea, qualifications first.  i think Barack might like that one better too, if he thinks it over.  He went to Harvard, he must value being the best.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:21PM | 0 recs
You're talking about a woman who

not only hired Mark Penn, but gave him millions of dollars to bankrupt her campaign. Mark Penn!

Seriously, this comment is ridiculous

by 79blondini 2008-06-09 06:35PM | 0 recs
I am sick of this shit

What are YOUR qualifications that make you an expert on experience?

In your diary you repeat the absurd idea that Obama isn't experienced and Hillary is.

That is a TALKING POINT. There is no 'truth' to it.

What are the prerequisite qualifications for these positions you deem the people now holding them don't possess?

by Is This Snark 2008-06-09 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I am sick of this shit

temper temper

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

Are you unaware of Caroline Kennedy's accomplishments?

An attorney, a writer, a chair and member of a variety of boards and commissions, she's gained respect not simply from her family name, but from the work she's put into a number of important liberal causes. Her books include volumes on protecting civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, as well as remembrances and poetry.

She's a very well-rounded, well-connected, and perceptive person; a woman who didn't just coast on her name, but made one for herself.

She brings to the selection process knowledge, perspective, and a creative sensibility that should offer a good balance to the rest of the team.

I'd think you would applaud her. Instead, you call her a hack.

Please.

by BobzCat 2008-06-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

Agreed. This might be the most unintentionally ironic criticism of Obama yet.

by really not a troll 2008-06-09 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

because she's the best? I don't think she's the best. I think there are real professionals and experts he could tap, someone he may not know personally but who has the chops for the task.

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

It's ironic because you're arguing that her accomplishments, while substantial, do not on their own merit warrant her position. Rather, you say, her name and familial relation to a famous politician is the primary means by which she has attained this position.

This was a criticism often levvied against Senator Clinton, and one you thoroughly objected to. Hence the irony.

by really not a troll 2008-06-09 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: actually, he is getting some of

i only said she's not the best.  Why add meaning I didn't give?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:45PM | 0 recs
He will

not need her.

It will be up to Hillary to move her voters if she wants to have any clout within the party.

If Hillary can't prove to the party these people really do support HER, then she has zero leverage going forward.

If you support Obama you will do so because Hillary asked you to not because he has paid you off with token gestures.

As many pundits pointed out, Obama beat the mighty Clinton machine and overcame huge odds because he built the best team in a very long time.

He can pick from the very best.

I would grab Trippy from Edwards, and Ickes from Hillary. And maybe some dedicated support staff. But that is it.

by Is This Snark 2008-06-09 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

BTW, when did Maureen Dowd ever say that? Are you sure this is her view or was she quoting someone?

Please provide a link.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:56PM | 0 recs
To sum up your advice:

"Run like Hillary"

Yeah. That worked.

by grass 2008-06-09 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: To sum up your advice:

more like be her, she had the momentum, and he was losing his. he needs to make a mid course correction and do his best to win.  No more not-Clinton, it's time to be Clinton.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: To sum up your advice:

There was no momentum, Anna.  Momentum is a phenomena that exists early in a nominating campaign when people are learning about the candidates.  They split the last set of nominating contests largely based on demographic characteristics of the state.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:15PM | 0 recs
That's just crazy. Barack should just be Barack.

by grass 2008-06-09 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: To sum up your advice:

Clinton was Clinton and lost. Obama was Obama and won.

He needs to continue being Obama. Preferably a continuously improving Obama ofcourse, but certainly not Clinton.

As for "momentum", if you've seen tracks in the olympics, you'll see that when the frontrunner is far ahead and the second one has no chance of reaching them before the finishing line, the frontrunner won't give everything they have -- in those last few meters they'll slow down and it then seems to the audience the second runner is going faster and seemingly approaches the first one.

But it means nothing, other than the fact there was no reason for the frontrunner to strain themselves - they already had the victory.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 02:37PM | 0 recs
Not exactly

Clinton was Clinton and lost. Obama was Obama and won.

Obama was not Clinton and the DNC gave it to him.

by SophieL 2008-06-09 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

Keep telling yourself that, SophieL. While the rest of us go about the business of electing a Democrat as our next President.

The best thing that could possibly happen for unity is dead-enders like you. Thanks!

by JoeW 2008-06-09 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

that was just a fact check, no need to pretend, he's won it, however he won doesn't matter, he's it and we all need to help him win.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

It wasn't a fact check. Obama won because he won the majority of pledged delegates, the key metric for the nomination that the superdelegates were never going to overturn.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

that's like delusional, I thought you didn't want to be one of those kinds of people???

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

Delusional is the idea that the superdelegates gave it to him.

by Jess81 2008-06-10 02:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

Bullshit.

You can't claim that you want Obama to win and nonetheless still support the attitude that he somehow "stole" the nomination from Clinton.

You can't claim to support him with one side of your mouth and yet undermine him with the other side.

You mojoed a ludicrously wrongheaded comment that supports the concept that Obama somehow stole the nomination.

Not to mention the way you support a site such as No Quarter that's devoted to the defeat of Obama in November.

If you want to support Obama, then support him. For your advisement: implying or stating outright that he stole the nomination -- NOT supportive of him by defininition.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

I didn't say that, what's with you guys? He won with the help of super-delegates who were free to choose either.  I don't have a problem with that win, but it isn't because of pledged delegates. You don't need to lie, that makes you look ashamed. If she'd won i sure would be glad that enough super's decided it for her, why not you?  This is silly, he won, who cares how.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

If there existed no superdelegates at all, he'd have won the nomination a month earlier.

The superdelegates merely confirmed the lead of the pledged delegates, they didn't contradict or overrule them.

Under these circumstances, to claim that the DNC "gave it to him" is an obscene lie in spirit, even if you can twist the words to claim its accurate in the letter.

And I'm done dealing with such disingenuousness. It was Hillary who was hoping and depending and urging the superdelegates to overturn the result  and GIVE her the nomination -- Obama was the opposite: he merely needed a handful of superdelegates to confirm the lead that the pledged delegates alone was giving the.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

it's sad for our nominee that you have to pretend he didn't need supers to go over the top.  It's too soon to rewrite history and it isn't necessary, he won, get used to it.  

by anna shane 2008-06-10 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

You're still in your DENIAL stage of your grief process I see.

DNC had given Clinton a 100 superdelegate lead a year in advance. DNC had stacked the primaries in such a manner that well-known names would get an advantage. DNC even went out of its way to give delegates to Clinton from states that the Clinton supporters in the commitee themselves had unanimously agreed would not count.

DNC did everything in its power to give it to Clinton. The voters in the primaries and caucuses gave it to Obama -- and he had such a huge lead in pledged delegates that the superdelegates were forced to follow.

Your stupid nonsense is offensive. I'd suggest your keep it to yourself until you've reached atleast the "bargaining" stage of grief.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

Get this straight, Barack won, it's not about bashing Hillary anymore, it's about him winning the GE now.  Get over it, you can't help him win the GE by bashing Hillary, he's won already. Repeat after me, Barack won.  Okay, you understand now?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

Why don't you tell that to Sophie?

Since you supported Clinton, it may mean more if it comes from you, when you explain to her that Clinton didn't win, and Obama wasn't "handed" the nomination by the DNC unfairly.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

she just gave a fact check, he won with the help of the party and super delegates, that's a fact, but he won, so what's the big deal, who cares how, he's won it.  Get over it, he's won won won.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

OBVIOUSLY, lots of people care about whether his win was legitimate or not.

How many people keep posting here that they won't vote for him because they believe his victory is supposedly illegitimate? Is it dozens?

If you disagree with them, then start trying to convince them otherwise.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-10 01:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

of course it's legitimate, our party gets to make up rules and change them, they have that right.  It is not helpful to think you have to be deceptive or his win won't be legitimate. He really won, the way things work.  

by anna shane 2008-06-10 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

The DNC did not "give" Clinton 100 SDs. SDs choose for themselves.

You're in denial yourself if you don't think there's an anti-Clinton faction of the Democratic Party that did everything in their power to get Obama nominated--or more to the point, to keep it away from Clinton. This is the same faction that keeps giving us candidates that lose in general elections.

In fact, looking over some of your comments, it doesn't look like you are FOR Obama. It looks like you are just AGAINST Clinton. But the rest of us should just be good Democrats and unify for the sake of the party, right?

I think you're way out of line with the "stupid nonsense" comment and I won't be taking any suggestions from you anytime soon.

by SophieL 2008-06-09 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Not exactly

"SDs choose for themselves."

Yes, and the SDs of the DNC were going overwhelmingly for Clinton, more than a year before the first vote was cast.

"This is the same faction that keeps giving us candidates that lose in general elections."

Right... because Al Gore, the VP of Bill Clinton supposedly is part of the anti-Clinton faction. And Kerry supposedly belonged to this supposed Dean-Pelosi faction as well, even though he was one of Dean's opponents.

Whatever. Everything I said is still true -- the game was heavily and intentionally stacked in Hillary's favor in advance, and yet she played her cards so lousily that she still lost. Now you're spreading the smear that Obama didn't win the nomination, that he was handed it by the DNC -- a complete reversal of the truth, not that you give a bloody damn.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: anna

I thought you wanted someone who is ready from Day One.  How good is momentum at the end if you are not ready from Day One?

by Brad G 2008-06-09 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: anna

yeah, she was better but he's our candidate, so who cares, he needs to get ready and he is in a position to grab all of her preliminary work.  Isn't that great, we get Barack and Hillary's hard work?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: anna

Can you make a single post without bashing Obama?

The primaries are over.  What's the point?  I don't believe you can stop.

by Jess81 2008-06-10 02:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

With all due respect, your implication that Obama hasn't brought on Clinton folks is just wrong. He's already incorporated some into his advisory and political apparatuses.

BTW, why are you dissing Caroline Kennedy?  She's an attorney who has written a number of books on civil and privacy rights.

And Eric Holder -- another member of the vetting committee -- is from the Clinton administration. He was an Attorney General.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

explain K-L to me and how Barack changed on that, or stop lecturing me on what I don't know. Bringing in some Clinton people is a good start. Why don't you think up advice for him rather than just taking up space?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

What is your position on Kyl-Lieberman, Anna.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

what is it, politicsmatters? have you found out yet?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

You want to know what Kyl-Lieberman was? It was an attempt to label the Iranian revolutionary guard as terrorists in order to allow military strikes against them, essentially starting a war with Iran.

Thankfully it hasn't lead to anything.

by grass 2008-06-09 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

he was for that before he didn't vote, before he was against, but he's on a new page, catch up, he's for it again.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Not true.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

The argument is faulty. First, as mentioned already, Obama is on record in favor of designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization. Second, even if Obama had not cosponsored the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act, failing to state support for something on your Web site doesn't mean you therefore oppose it (and vice versa). Such reasoning constitutes a logical fallacy that philosophers call an argumentum ad ignorantiam, or an argument from ignorance. The fallacy occurs when someone asserts that the lack of evidence against a claim means that the claim is true. Should we conclude that because McCain's Web site says nothing about torturing kittens that he supports it? Of course not.

factcheck

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

"But the amendment did more than just urge the president to name new terrorist groups. It also expressed the sense that it is "a critical national interest" to prevent Iran from "turning Shi'a militia extremists in Iraq into a Hezbollah-like force." Some Democrats, such as Jim Webb of Virginia, argued that the amendment "could be read as a back-door method of gaining congressional validation for military action, without one hearing and without serious debate."

Obama did not actually vote on the amendment - he was campaigning at the time. But he did publicly oppose it, calling it excessively provocative:

Obama press release (Sept. 26, 2007): Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the president that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran. In fact, he thinks that our large troop presence in Iraq has served to strengthen Iran - not weaken it. He believes that diplomacy and economic pressure, such as the divestment bill that he has proposed, is the right way to pressure the Iranian regime. Accordingly, he would have opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment had he been able to vote today."

The rest of the factcheck
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/ soft_on_iran.html

by grass 2008-06-09 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Neither did McCain..He didn't vote either

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:58PM | 0 recs
If you don't want me to just dismiss you as

a rather obnoxious ass, you might want to provide some links to all your assertions.

Oh, and another sure fire way to gain some credibility - stop posting at NQ. You will never find a greater hive of scum and villainy. Cept maybe Hillis44.org.. but even you wouldn't post there, would you?

by grass 2008-06-09 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

So really this comes back to you not liking Obama? Is that where you were trying to take this conversation?

Incidentally, labeling a group "terrorists" in a speech and labeling them as such in a legislative statement that can be used to legitimize a military attack are very, very different things.  Before you try and bring the condescension about Obama's AIPAC remarks you might want to ponder that fact for a bit.  Your post raises some interesting points, but your comments on this thread just raise 'concerns.'

by Jay R 2008-06-09 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I like him fine, always have, I really like Michelle and the kids, he wasn't my first choice, but now he's won and I burns me to think the party doesn't believe he can do it.  He needs all of us now.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I know plenty of people in the party, I know absolutely none who think he can't do it.  Putting it bluntly: they see beating Clinton as the political equivalent of having climbed Everest.

by Jay R 2008-06-09 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I know many, many democrats who have considerable experience in politics who not only believe that he can win, but that he has a significantly better chance of winning than Hillary Clinton would have.  I'm one of them.

I have no idea how you can characterize the views of "the party" as not believing he can do it.  One Maureen Dowd column doesn't represent the prevailing wisdom of the party (and I just checked her site and didn't find anything that said "they'd rather lose with Obama than win with Clinton.")  So I'm really mystified by this thread.

by Headlight 2008-06-09 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Of course I know what it is. I was asking you what you think about it.  Do you support it? Was Clinton right in voting for it?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Of course I know what it was. I was asking you what you think and why?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Please read Josh's economic speech on the front page....

by nogo postal 2008-06-09 02:14PM | 0 recs
No tips for attacking Caroline Kennedy.

I trust Obama's management (it took him from zero to the nomination), and I'll trust them to find the best VP for his candidacy.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Start learning history?

What he heck are you talking about?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

what's funny is you don't know.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

what's not funny is how little sense you make. Anna you really should take more time with your diaries and not post until you are able to get your point across. Otherwise it just reads like a Rosie O'Donnell rant.

by venician 2008-06-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I'm a card?  Better than being depressing?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Personally, I don't find a core message of hope and unity to be depressing.  But whatever.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:46PM | 0 recs
Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/author/anna s/

That's a racist hate site. How do you expect us to believe you're looking out for Obama's best interests when you've written hit diaries about him on a hate site that refers to African-Americans as gorillas, thugs, monkeys, and excrement?

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:19PM | 0 recs
It's not racist or hate

Are you one of Obama's propaganda bloggers?

by catfish2 2008-06-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not racist or hate

And?

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Hi, McCain troll and racism apologist.

Might you be able to answer for Anna Shane why she diaries on a hate site?

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:26PM | 0 recs
So it's confirmed - you're an astroturf

blogger. Cool.

Yeah read about your plan - if anyone criticizes Obama, just call them a racist.

by catfish2 2008-06-09 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: So it's confirmed - you're an astroturf

If we can agree on nothing else, can we at least agree that No Quarter is, in fact, a racist site?  

Larry Johnson is in fact a racist, and he runs a site where racist conversation is at the very least permitted and, given his own "contributions" to the discourse, encouraged.  That isn't an attempt to brand all Clinton supporters racist, or even to brand everyone on No Quarter racist.  

But I think that site's racism does require a response and objection from any and all of its contributors/commenters who aren't racist, to put their money where their mouth is and either stand up against racist hate speech or leave the site.

by mistersite 2008-06-09 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: So it's confirmed - you're an astroturf

no, he's not a racist. it's funny that some think Obama was so superior to Hillary that her voters were all either white women or racists.  it's weird, and depressing, and it's time to stop calling fellow Obama supporters names. Look, he needs to win the GE, and he needs all the help we can offer. Are you a secret troll, trying to get Hillary's supporters to vote pug? Won't work, too transparent.  McCain is a bubble boy, he  must not be allowed near any lethal weapons.  Or we're all at great risk. Go Obama!!!

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: So it's confirmed - you're an astroturf

I don't think all her voters are white women or racists.  I think Larry Johnson is a racist.

by mistersite 2008-06-09 03:55PM | 0 recs
What makes him a racist?

Tell me what evidence you have that Larry Johnson is a racist.

Lemme guess:

  1. He does not support Obama. Racist!
  2. He suspected Obama's associations would be a political liability. Racist!
  3. He does not find Obama qualified for the job of president. Racist!
Oh I know
4) Some commenters left comments on his site that you find racist, and Larry Johnson failed to delete them in time. Racist!

by catfish2 2008-06-09 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not racist or hate

Are you defending what gets written on that site?

by venician 2008-06-09 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not racist or hate

no more than I defend what goes on here, i was just called a racist by firewall, I think his name is.  That's racist, and right here.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:22PM | 0 recs
LOL. I didn't call you a racist;

I did call you a troll who posts at hate sites while pretending to be concerned for the welfare of the Democratic nominee.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. I didn't call you a racist;

and I call you  stoooopid. So where do we go from here? How about an little unity, we're backing the same guy now.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. I didn't call you a racist;

If you want unity, you shouldn't be part of a site that's devoted to undermining the nominee.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. I didn't call you a racist;

you just give me all the rules before I can vote for Obama, I'll post them at No Quarter.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:47PM | 0 recs
Better yet...stop posting at No Quarter.

But you won't, because you're fine with belonging to a hate site. Be proud, anna shane!

by Firewall 2008-06-09 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

If that's her, I am not responding to her anymore...Some of her diaries and comments are bad, just bad...

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

It's her. Here are her diaries on MyDD:

http://anna-shane.mydd.com/

And here they are on No Quarter:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/author/anna s/

The "Jeering and Sneering" diary was her most recent cross-post.

She's a troll, and we need to stop engaging her here as long as she's an active participant at a hate site.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

do your best firewall, I want our candidate to win.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

If your candidate is John McCain, I've got bad news for you...

...those dehydrated babies won't be getting his hot water any time soon.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

now what makes you think John would bring home our troops? This is more important than wars with me, you guys should be celebrating, another Hillary supporter wants him to win.  Look, he's won the nom, that's over, no more bashing, it's time to unify.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

We don't need your No Quarter brand of unity.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

i'll write to Barack and tell him you don't want be voting for him. I'm sure he'll be thrilled, not. I think he wants to win, i think he'll appreciate some sound advice.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

Yep. He's just dying for your advice. The poor man just beat the inevitable one but he needs to hear from you about how he's not CHEERFUL enough.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 03:02PM | 0 recs
Please tell him.

Attach the diaries you've written against him at No Quarter, and he might even send a personal thank you.

Leave the site if you want to be taken seriously. Otherwise, you'll rightfully be regarded as a troll whenever you pretend to be interested in the welfare of Obama.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Please tell him.

he could learn more from some of my diaries that you claim are 'against him,' than a gazillion we hate hillary diaries that pass for pro-Obama here and at kos.  think about it.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Please tell him.

What do you think he'll learn from this?

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-05-30 23:46:37

So with you. Tactical nukes are a horrid idea, but we can work this out with McCain. Obama - there is no telling what he will do.
Reply to this comment

Comment by Karen | 2008-05-30 23:49:05

WHAT HE WILL DO???
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Comment by Karen | 2008-05-30 23:50:12

He will say --Can i please just finish my waffles???
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Comment by Catsarepeopletoo | 2008-05-31 00:08:59

While he's eating his waffles, all the people lined up to pull his strings (the liberal elite, the Chicago operatives, the black liberationists, the Muslims like his cousin Odinga, and more) will be destroying America.

I'd bold the jaw-droppers, but I really wouldn't know where to begin.  And that's from your thread.

by Jess81 2008-06-10 03:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Please tell him.

yep, critical comments are more useful than hate hillary comments, for sure.  

by anna shane 2008-06-10 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

Who's your candidate?  Posting here and at No Quarter sends some strong mixed messages..

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

barack, of course, how insulting that you felt you had the right to question me.  Rude.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

Since "No Quarter" seems solely devoted to pushing for the defeat of Obama in November, and you seem to be a diarist there, it was a more than fair question.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

Then please start being the voice of reason and sanity over at No Quarter and stand up against the racist bile that is regularly spewed on that site.

by mistersite 2008-06-09 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

I always do, if someone puts a racist comment in something I write, I tell them off.  That site lets more stuff stay up than most, but not forever, they take stuff down too.  No one likes racism.  It's not a place where readers can hide, the staff has to look things over. I like No Quarter, it's got a lot of different perspectives and you too can go on there and tell off racists.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post on No Quarter?

"I like No Quarter, it's got a lot of different perspectives"

Really??? Can you tell me when was the last diary posted there that had a perspective favourable to Obama?

Or atleast any diary that acknowledged he won the nomination fairly rather than "stole" it?

And as for Larry Johnson himself, he was the main pusher of the 'Whitey' smear regarding Michelle Obama.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-06-09 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post?

because the advise is sound?  I can't answer anymore, i've exceeded my posting comments limit, so you guys think about the changes Barack needs to make to be in a position to bring our troops home. one more idea, have him sign on the legislation banning private armies, and put that money into our own military, let them guard oversees interests that need guarding and pay us for the service.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post?

NQ really?  Where's the tape?

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Anna Shane, why do you post?

too late, we have our nominee, now it better not exist, or he's going to have some angry vets to answer to.  he'd best be squeaky clean from here on out, and I hope he is.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I guess you want him to be just like Hillary...That's not what won him the primary.  

Where you see disinterest,  I see empathy and care.  

Where you see depression I see seriousness and an earnest concern about getting our country back on track.  

Where you see an unqualified candidate I see someone who isn't tied to corporate Washington and can provide real change.

Where you see a man uneducated on our history and I see a man who uses history as a guide.

Where you see his campaign going in a wrong direction I see a campaign that defeated, arguably, the most influential family in Democratic history.

Where you see weakness, I see strength.  

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong
oh Anna
..It is only my opinion...but doncha think if the Obama campaign had it together enough to win the nomination they will have it together enough to win the GE?
by nogo postal 2008-06-09 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

seems the DNC doesn't think so and doesn't care. Well, I care. We need a democrat elected, and he needs to win the GE. Try to help him, he has enough cheerleaders, don't you think?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Huh?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

What's your problem with Carolin Kennedy exactly?  

She may not be as politically involved, but I see her as filling in the shoes of Ted Kennedy who is not healthy enough to do the entire job right now.  She will no doubt consult with him and will bring great things to the VP search committe.

As for the rest of it, those positions that have merit are being examined and in some cases adopted, but please don't act as if Obama didn't have any plans or ideas of his own.  It just shows that you never bothered to research his positions.  If you'd like to learn a little of what he's already proposed I suggest you go to his website, it's all there.

Finally, Maureen Dowd is a hack and is flat out wrong about this.  People would not be backing Obama if they thought they were going to lose with him.  It is an absurd claim that people prefer to lose with Obama than win with Clinton.  The truth of the matter is that many say him as MORE electable and that is why he won.

by Why Not 2008-06-09 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

nothing, she's just not the best.  We deserve the best.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Who specifically do you have in mind?

by authority song 2008-06-09 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

He'll steal her ideas, but he won't give her one ounce of credit.  He's already at it this morning.  But no credit for Hillary.  

by masslib1 2008-06-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Which ones?

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

windfall profit tax on the oil companies.  he also spoke of "partnering" with Elizabeth Edwards on universal health care, Hillary's signature issue.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 02:30PM | 0 recs
So the gas tax holiday is now cool

I see. Well at least he'll eventually run out of ideas.

by catfish2 2008-06-09 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: So the gas tax holiday is now cool

Nope, pretty sure he's against a gas tax holiday, just like every other sane individual with a high-school education

by authority song 2008-06-09 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Excuse me, a windfall profit tax was enacted in 1980 by Carter it was also tried in 1987...It's not a new idea.  Most Democrats have been pushing for it the last 4 years.

UHC-In his speech he already said "And you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country, she will be central to that victory."

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I didn't say it was a new idea. A guy on NPR did.  But Hillary ran on that for 16 months.  She advertised it.  It' new for him, or so says NPR.

by masslib1 2008-06-09 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

She did not run on a gas-tax holiday for 16 months...She pandered in the last month to try to draw a difference with Obama, which failed...

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Yes, Barack's speech in NC was brilliant, and just the start of a two week tour. I do wish that everyone would just let the VP selection go on without advocating for or against anyone, but that's not likely to happen. I spoke with some of my Clinton campaign staff buddies today, and they were already working with the Obama camp. That has nothing to do with who Barack choses as VP.

Anyway, AP had a fairly but not entirely balanced article on economic policy and Obama v. McCain. The good thing (besides what Obama is saying, of course) is that Republicans all over the country are running scared or using the same wrong Bush talking points about an economy that Bush/McCain have destroyed

. Isn't it ironic how Republicans talk about defending the security and honor of this country yet rarely serve in the military themselves? Yet they will defend to the death their support of corporate irresponsibility. Republicans have even managed to give corporations that are actually providing jobs and contributing to the economy a bad name.

Anyway, this made me very happy:

The AFL-CIO, the nation's largest labor organization, plans to help Obama by having its members protest Bush and McCain at gas stations around the country. Starting in Indianapolis, union members will hold signs saying "Bush & McCain Love Big Oil" and complain about a McCain tax proposal they say would give the five largest oil companies $3.8 billion in tax breaks.

by Jeter 2008-06-09 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Nice Jeter...

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 04:18PM | 0 recs
IOW: Get a personality transplant!

LOL!

by catfish2 2008-06-09 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: IOW: Get a personality transplant!

great idea, and i think he can.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:28PM | 0 recs
100+ Superdelegate Lead

lol

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:28PM | 0 recs
Yes the party elites and media

selected him. What else is new? They thought his donor list would be a cash spigot. Principles did not really guide their decision.

by catfish2 2008-06-09 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

Yeah you really weren't complain about the so-called "party elites" when she had 100+ lead with them, were ya?  Blame, blame, blame...You sound like a little leaguer who blames the umps for losing striking out or losing a game...

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

so, what's your point? the party insiders don't care if he wins, but you care, and I care, so lets care together?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

No my point is you are criticizing him after he beat the political machine of the Clintons...The unbeatable...And now you, of all people, are giving him advice to be more like Hillary....With all due respect doing it HRC's way did not even win her the primary, what logic do you apply to say he should now regress to a strategy that didn't work in the playoffs?

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

I am? you mean I must think he needs no improvement.  That's not my style, i want my candidate to win.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

Can't seem to remember you being so critical of Hillary when she was running...Care to show me some of the critiques you made of her??  She could have used them to win, but you were silent on her shortcomings...Go figure...

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

you're a scholar of me? I doubt it, I was slow enough to come to Hillary, she had to win me.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

Not one critique of her...Even when she was behind...Didn't hear she should fire Mark Penn, she should quit pandering the gas-tax, she should reign in Bill, she should visit caucus states, she should spend her money more wisely, she should have not said McGaffe was ready to be CIC, you said nothing to "improve" her chances of winning....Strikingly Odd.....

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

sure, I was critical when i thought it was warranted, I wanted her to win.  I did have so much competition that it's not surprising my small suggestions went unnoticed, even by my own personal scholars.  I tend to criticize what can be corrected, like here, i want him to win so I give him my suggestions. they're pretty good too. And gratis, Sine pecunia.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes the party elites and media

"Personal scholars" - what are you talking about?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 04:39PM | 0 recs
I Completely Disagree with the Premise

the party would prefer losing with Barack than winning with Hillary.

I can't believe anyone actually buys shit like that.

Hillary Clinton was way too far behind. She HAD to sell! sell! sell! that she was the only electable one and if you vote for Obama the party is doomed in November. Not only was this tactic supposed to pick up a few more pledged delegates , but more important, to scare the Supers. It was a fricking campaign strategy people, pure and simple.

Even with (some) Clinton supporters wanting to give the world a third Bush term out of spite, Obama is pulling ahead of McCain.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-09 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

Yeah I don't even know who "they" are anyway, as far as I can tell, it is only Maureen Dowd who comprises this "they" and only because it is a campaign ploy to get HRC as VP.

This diary is one of the most condescending "advice letters" I have ever read.  
I am pretty offended by this

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

This diary is one of the most condescending "advice letters" I have ever read.

Agreed. I find it rather... elitist, and out of touch.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-09 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

or homey and down to earth, filled with useful suggestions that will also let him have more fun while running.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

Anna, the problem is you accuse the DNC of "preferring to lose with Obama than win with Hillary Clinton"

There are TWO things in that statement that you pass off as fact and, quite frankly, I find asinine. That the DNC would rather lose and your implication that Obama is unelectable.

You just casually and dismissively tossed in two whoppers to the beginning of your diary.  

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-09 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

let's just say i worry.  I want him to try as hard as possible.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

Well following the advice of Hillary's campaign team sure as shit won't help, unless he wants to now alienate the other half of the party

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

you guys are against warm and friendly?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

I'm all for warm and friendly. In fact, that's just one of many reasons I supported Obama. He would repeatedly congratulate Clinton whenever she would win a contest. Did she ever reciprocate when he would win? Fuck no. If I'm wrong on that last part (and I hope I am) please provide an example.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-09 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

Speeches are supposed to be inspiring and he does that by showing his determination.

 When I see him meet people and go on the Daily Show he always comes off as good humored, smiling, warm, and positive about the work that needs to be done to clean up after what the misrable cretin GOP bastards did to our country.

I find it weird that you are perpetrating this "depressing" theme, it's like you haven't paid attention to Barack at all, nor any of the pictures out there of him smiling hugely, looking good and positive, meeting with people.  I bet we'll see your these come around again over the next few weeks.  I think I already know what you are trying to do, but I am going to keep it to myself and watch it develop to see if I am right.

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: I Completely Disagree with the Premise

I'm not even sure Maureen Dowd ever said it!

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

I agree with some of what you say; Clinton obviously has a lot to offer Obama, and he'd be a fool not to take it.

However, I would be quite wary of Clinton's staff, as they have a lot of baggage. Obama had a "no-drama" campaign staff that worked together, while I believe it was the bitter and often public infighting and hatred inside the Clinton campaign that undermined what should have been her year.

This NYT article is agonizing reading for that reason:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/us/pol itics/08recon.html?_r=1&ref=politics &oref=slogin

Also, Clinton was jolly and Obama depressing?

by tomchaps 2008-06-09 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

yes, he was tired and cranky. She was funny, she made it look fun. Remember when she said she'd debate him on a flat bed truck?  She has a sunny disposition. He can, if he tries.  he just needs to learn to smile and laugh and get over himself.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

You're entitled to your own perception. I didn't think she made it look fun and I didn't find her to be funny. And Obama's demeanor is just fine with me.

Besides, this is just an absurd kind of political advice. It's the sort of thing you'd tell someone running for senior class president.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

that's what I was thinking..."get over himself",

WTF?  You mean he shouldn't be all serious just with this little ole' election of the most critical period in our nation's history where corporatism/fascism and MIC is threatening to take over our governemnt and strip us of our con rights?

Yeah Obama, what a blowhard with all his concern, determination, and desire to put us back on track.  Jeez, whats the big deal?

You are right, this letter would be perfect to be sent around to high school governments everwhere, or maybe grade school

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

don't sell short grade schoolers, Barack lived overseas in grade school and it informed his world view. Kids aren't as dumb as you think.  I mean, they can't vote, but there is more to humanity than being over 18.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Yeah her laughing sort of turned me off...I don't like people laughing at my problems....Lost job overseas, no healthcare, a cousin in Iraq are not things I think are laughable.

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

so tell him to stay gloomy and stern. worked for Gore, being cheerful never helped Bush.  Okay, one vote for gloomy, anymore?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

yeah and Dubya was such a great president...I'd rather have a president who realizes the seriousness of our situation and empathize with people who are struggling...Maybe Obama should be out golfing and pretending everything is peachy keen....Just smile and assure us, like McGaffe, that everything is just fine...Give me a fuckin break

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

i want one who'll WIN.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

by the way, Obama has more personality and is more socially comfortable than hillary and Gore put together, those two seem like they have asperger's syndrome, and she never came off as genuine until the concession speech

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

And I mean Gore 2000, he has gotten better by branching out

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

Dirt. Shoulders.

Stern stuff.  And remember how gloomy he was when he teared up early on?  Hard to think how he could have won the primary with all that stern gloominess.

by Jay R 2008-06-09 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

you have to consider the possibility that you are not most people.  i mean, i'm a "millenial" and i can tell you that all these things that you think are great about hillary's disposition strike me and most of my friends as weird, hollow, and basically really out of touch.  

i will never forget that video that hillary's campaign made to try and make her look "cool" that was something like she was part of a "rock band".  I mean, i'm assuming that this was to counteract the massive popularity of the video that that guy from the black-eyed peas did with the text of obama's speech and to reach out to young voters, but i mean the thing was just pathetic!  First of all, nobody listens to bands like that anymore.  It reminds me of an episode of the real world from like 1995 or something.  I watched it  with some friends and the general consensus was "wow....she really has NO IDEA what our lives are like."

Well, i support obama (and have from the beginning despite a brief flirtation with edwards) b/c of 1) the issues and 2) i think he has the best chance of rebuilding the democratic party and winning in november.  But, all these points of style (such as being sunny or silly, etc.) do affect the way people feel about the candidates.  I think you need to consider the possibility that what you view as being fun and care-free about hillary's campaign is exactly what turned off a lot of voters who want a serious leader whose campaign (and hopefully his presidency) will be less about "politics" and how fun running for office may/may not be and more so about making dramatic changes in the lives of all americans.

p.s.  check out the weird "band video" here:  http://youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

by bluedavid 2008-06-09 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

different stroke for different folks, I like the effort, it's sweet, and a lot of voters did too, recall she won more since march by far, so one would think something she was doing was right, no?  how do you account?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong

That's not true - They split those.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Barack, Prove Them Wrong
At some point in time those that post and encourage ideas at Hilisfortyfour and no 25cents will realize..Sen. Clinton laid it all out last Saturday.
Their shallow existence that they were/are more anti-Obama than they were/are pro Hillary just becomes more obvious...
If they are unable to follow Sen. Clinton now..
it was never about her...it was just about them.
by nogo postal 2008-06-09 02:40PM | 0 recs
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Their shallow existence that they were/are more anti-Obama than they were/are pro Hillary just becomes more obvious...
If they are unable to follow Sen. Clinton now..
it was never about her...it was just about them.

Excellent point. Some questions Clinton supporters need to ask themselves.

1: Am I more pro-Clinton or anti-Obama?

2: Am I more pro-Clinton or pro-America?

3: Am I more anti-Obama or pro-America?

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-09 02:45PM | 0 recs
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HE WON, it's time to unify, quite bashing fellow deomcrats, or you're a troll.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:45PM | 0 recs
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You're the one who posts at NoQuarter.

Do you defend OUR candidate over at that hate site?

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-09 02:48PM | 0 recs
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No unity with racists and dead-enders.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:48PM | 0 recs
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Anna, he won, and here you are telling him that he needs to be more like Clinton if he wants to win...doesn't that strike you as something that, say, a concern troll would be pushing?

Don't throw around the T-word, especially when you also post at Uncle Larry's House of Racism.

by Jay R 2008-06-09 03:11PM | 0 recs
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the nom, on to the GE????

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:04PM | 0 recs
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First off: stop being sooo depressing.

This kind of comment and the continual references to a 60 year old woman as a girl doesn't imply a good deal of political maturity and acumen.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 02:42PM | 0 recs
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i get it, you don't like my style.  Why not ignore me.  Barack won the nom, we're on the same side now and you insulting me personally isn't his unity message.  If you don't get his message, you should probably take a rest and wait until you can accept that now Barack's supporters include people you may not like.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:54PM | 0 recs
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You're on the side of a site that uses racial epithets to refer to the nominee of the Democratic party. If you want unity, stop writing front page diaries for a hate site. That's the first step, anna.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:55PM | 0 recs
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my votes not good enough for you?  there are things I disagree with on every site, this one for instance. and kos that had the worst sexist crap i've encountered.  So, what's your point?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:56PM | 0 recs
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My point is that the Democratic party is quite able to win without trolls who cross-post on hate sites while offering "tips" for the people your NQ friends refer to as the Obama Gorillas.

by Firewall 2008-06-09 02:58PM | 0 recs
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so they prove time and time again, not!!

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:34PM | 0 recs
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So do you denounce and reject the bullshit Larry and Susan post?

by grass 2008-06-09 02:58PM | 0 recs
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you've encountered the worst sexism ever on this site?  Really, because people disagree with Hillary or criticize her and you think that is somehow sexism or is it because you are just trying to make the most outlandish statements possible in order to continue the divide?

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 03:50PM | 0 recs
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this can't be explained to the deaf and the blind (no offense intended, I think you really didn't see it, probably thought she uniquely deserved it and that the rest of us wouldn't recognize ourselves and either back off or cry).  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:55PM | 0 recs
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or you are just making shit up to stir the pot, or as many would note, if you look for something hard enough, you will find it.

But I haven't seen any diaries pointing out the most blatant sexism on this site, I've seen diaries about sexism in the media.  Maybe you should write a diary about it since it sounds absolutely out of control and rampant.

What are you talking about

"probably thought she uniquely deserved it and that the rest of us wouldn't recognize ourselves and either back off or cry"

If you are crying because someone criticizes Hillary, then you should go see a therapist.  

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 04:01PM | 0 recs
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misogyny is not the subject of this diary, but there are plenty and you can check them out.  We don't agree, I'm hardly going to convince you, and frankly i don't care too. We have a winner, and we need to make sure he goes all the way. Get on board or go away.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:06PM | 0 recs
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no worries, I am on board, but I'l reserve my right to disagree with how we get there.  If Obama choses Hillary, I am sure it will be after serious dliberation of all the potnential candidates.  I also trust his decision, whomever it may be.  I just disagree with your tone to our nominee, as if he is a grumpy child who somehow hd the nomination dropped in his lap by accident and through no work or effort of his own.  But by all means, have and speak your beliefs  

by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 04:45PM | 0 recs
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We're not on the same side if you post at No Quarter.

by grass 2008-06-09 02:57PM | 0 recs
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now, here's real irony.  You judge me by the company I keep, but that's Barack's only real negative, he does not want to be judged by the company he keeps. A little consistency here will help us defend him against the same charges you're lodging at me, a nobody, not running for president. Really think about this one, the pug attack machine will be coming and the pugs are reading you as I write to find instances that prove his supporters judge everyone but him by the company they keep.  Really, this is very uncool for our candidate, all I can say is quit it or go work for john mccain out in the open.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:09PM | 0 recs
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You sound deluded - Obama is not going to be listening to your advice, Republicans don't give a shit about what you or I say.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to reject and denounce Larry and Su, as you insist Barack does with everybody you conceive to be questionable. And there is a difference - I don't find Rev. Wright or Ayers the "terrorist" to be despicable human beings.

by grass 2008-06-09 04:36PM | 0 recs
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because  Barack had to reject his pastor?  One thing I can't understand the guy won, why are you still fighting the last battle, it's over, get over it.  Try to write a positive diary about Barack that shows his substance, that'll be more useful and more productive.  Why care about me, I'm for him too, now.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:51PM | 0 recs
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Good point. Maybe you should mention that over at NQ.

by grass 2008-06-09 05:07PM | 0 recs
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are you this dumb?  You can't smear one person by association without admitting that you think that's correct. I don't, I don't hold any of his associations against him, he has a right to have friends who are controversial. I have even more right, I'm not running for public office.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 05:11PM | 0 recs
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whatever.

by grass 2008-06-09 05:36PM | 0 recs
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Is that for real??!! Are people who claim to be educated really so enamored with Obama that they'd rather lose with him then WIN with Clinton; a woman who as a history of progressing this country and the  party?

Talk about ignorance!!!

by jrsygrl 2008-06-09 02:48PM | 0 recs
Ignorance is believing that is real. n/t

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-09 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Ignorance is believing that is real. n/t

Well I have seen people make comments before intimating that they'd rather risk it with Obama then have a more certain win with Clinton (if they believed that argument to be true.

<shrug>  I have seen alot of ignorant thoughts thrown around and attempted to be passed  off as facts so who knows? Perception is not always reality.

by jrsygrl 2008-06-09 03:23PM | 0 recs
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I think what you heard was people would rather risk it with the leader and winner of the democratic primary contest as opposed to turning over the will of the people in order to give it to Hillary because of some favorable polling done 5 to 6 motnhs before the GE, which as we know, shouldn't be used as a determinative forecast of the GE.
I wouldn't call that ignorant
by KLRinLA 2008-06-09 03:54PM | 0 recs
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Uh no that is not what I heard but thanks for making that rationale up.

by jrsygrl 2008-06-09 04:30PM | 0 recs
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yes, it's real, they don't care about him anymore than us.  If he loses his political future will be like Kerry's, icky. Let's help prove them wrong, let's give him advice that will work.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 02:55PM | 0 recs
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Too bad you can't take advice...

by hootie4170 2008-06-09 02:57PM | 0 recs
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No one prefers to lose.

And where is that Maureen Dowd column? Why didn't you link to it? Not that she's such a great analyst, but I sure would like to see if she actually said that or if she was quoting someone who supported Clinton who said it.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 03:04PM | 0 recs
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who cares about me, I'm a nobody, i'm not running for president, it's not up to me to bring out troops home. I'm just trying to help here, if Barack thinks it's helpful i won't care that you must insult me.  Like, shoot the messenger already.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:57PM | 0 recs
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they are SO grumpy today. i can't figure it out.

by campskunk 2008-06-09 04:11PM | 0 recs
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I tried to read this and it is so garbled I couldn't. sorreee.

by linfar on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:26:58 PM EST

by venician 2008-06-09 03:55PM | 0 recs
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anna if you were REALLY serious about this diary, you'd also post it at No Quarter

but I doubt you will, and everyone reading her diary should wonder why.

by TruthMatters 2008-06-09 03:02PM | 0 recs
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you have my permission to cross post this anywhere you like, I'm damn serious.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 03:58PM | 0 recs
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Why are you suddenly afraid to post on your hate site?

by Firewall 2008-06-09 04:00PM | 0 recs
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what makes you think I'm afraid?  that's soooo strange.  If you fear my advice getting out, why don't you cross post, I gave you permission, put it up at the big orange, it's okay by me.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:11PM | 0 recs
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Why are your posts here completely different than your posts there?  Different in tone, content, politics, and final analysis.

Post this one there.  Post your NoQuarter threads here.  Which one is the real you?  We already know, but follow me along anyway.  It's fun.

by Jess81 2008-06-10 03:10AM | 0 recs
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you mean why are they exactly the same and cross posted at each place. I sent in this diary, don't know if they'll post it, but you asked and why not.  

by anna shane 2008-06-10 10:20AM | 0 recs
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This diary reminds me a bit of the story of what happened when Mike Judge went to LA to work on his first feature film.  He handed in his script, the studio folk went to work on it, and came back with a bunch of small tweaks he didn't particularly like.  

So he says thanks, I'll think about it.  A junior VP notes he's never worked on a feature film before.  And Judge says, "Yeah, but the studio didn't get me on the cover of Rolling Stone, either".  

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-06-09 03:19PM | 0 recs
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did he win? is he advising Barack for the GE?  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:12PM | 0 recs
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In movie, heck yeah, he's an enormously successful writer producer.  And I don't know who he's backing in the election--that's a great question.

But you get the point of the anecdote?  Those in Hillary's camp can't give advice from the presumption that they can do for Barack what they were unable to do for themselves.

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-06-09 04:58PM | 0 recs
Let Obama be Obama

by BrighidG 2008-06-09 03:34PM | 0 recs
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I take great exception to your comment about Caroline Kennedy.  She is immenently qualified to be on a VP selection committee.  (I notice you make no mention of the other two people.  I wonder why....)

Caroline has spent her whole adult life researching politicians who stand out because of their good character, who do the right thing in spite of political risk.  She's written several books about it, and her expertise is looking for evidence of exceptional character in politicians.  She's got tremendous reach in this regard and is a perfect complement to the other two members of the search committee.  

I suspect that Hillary's more spiteful supporters will have problems with every woman Obama appoints to anything unless that woman did not support him.

Prove me wrong, will you?

by tibbs 2008-06-09 03:40PM | 0 recs
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Get Caroline Kennedy off your VP search team. she's not qualified, she's just a nice person and the daughter of a late president. get qualified people on that committee, no hacks.

I'm sure Mark Penn would be better qualified.

by Dumbo 2008-06-09 03:51PM | 0 recs
Smart, thoughtful diary

I liked it a lot

by tornsneaker 2008-06-09 03:51PM | 0 recs
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Breaking....
Clinton endorses Obama
Urges her supporters to do the same!

Anna..you are what has been established here to be a "concern troll"

Maybe before last Tuesday...or last Saturday a post like this might have been ok...
No longer....

by nogo postal 2008-06-09 03:59PM | 0 recs
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you're a fool, this is great advice and he'd do well to listen.   he has his own voters, he needs the rest, and I'm trying to tell him why people kept voting for her, even when he told us it was over. they like her, she's likable.  he can too.  For you he may be a great and inspirational leader, fine by me as long asa you vote for him in the GE. For the rest, we want him to be more prepared, and seem nicer.  

What is this with Hillary supporters, he WON, I'm not your enemy.  I'm a Democrat for Pete's sake.  Let's all help him, I'm sure he's capable of rejecting advice he thinks isn't good enough.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:15PM | 0 recs
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From no25cents..
This person shares an e-mail she sent to Emily's List after they endorsed Obama

   "How DARE you ask me for money to get that unvetted, inexperienced, insulting nobody nobama of a politician into office?

   MILLIONS of us will be voting for John McCain in the fall election and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

   It's too late. The DNC and its gang of thugs are criminal and should be sent to jail.

   - Ellen4Hill"

Anna and other no25centers...this is not the MyDD of a week ago.

by nogo postal 2008-06-09 04:05PM | 0 recs
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which person is that?  I just hope they come to their senses, and i hope Barack reaches out to them and makes it easy for them to vote for him. We have kids in Iraq, we need to bring them home. That's more important than any bull shit hurt feelings. I think the DNC made a mistake too, but we have our nominee now and we need to get him into the white house.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:18PM | 0 recs
11 rec's make the rec list?

Where did everyone go?

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-06-09 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: 11 rec's make the rec list?

once there wasn't Hillary to bash anymore, it was hard to write so-called pro-Obama diaries. You guys need to get to work, look at his plans and solutions and start posting positive diaries about what he'll do and how he'll do it. Get some testimonials, you can be his Algere, that that will help Barack.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: 11 rec's make the rec list?

I don't want to be someone who can't use logic or evidence and refuses to engage in a substantive way.

I don't want to be someone so delusional as the one who reported on Hillary's Bloggers that she was stunned when the race was over, as if there was any chance of Clinton winning after it was clear that she could not win the majority of pledged delegates.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-09 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: 11 rec's make the rec list?

stick with it girl, don't ever change.  

by anna shane 2008-06-09 04:48PM | 0 recs
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Nice diary.  I agree with everything except getting rid of Caroline Kennedy.  She's an intelligent, accomplished individual in her own right.  I don't think of her as a hack.  I mean, honestly, the last thing I'd want is a team featuring such luminaries as Lanny Davis.  

by bosdcla14 2008-06-09 09:49PM | 0 recs

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