On the VP nominees

The more I think about it, I think Obama should pick up somebody who is well-versed in economics and has had some executive experience. In my opinion, economy and not foreign affairs will be the determining force in November. Obama's foreign policy is fine as it is.

Also, I am not enthused by the so-called foreign policy expert Joe Biden. He may know a lot and have been around for some time; but frankly his solutions to foreign policy crises are usually not upto the mark. A case in point is his ``divide Iraq into three pieces.''

I think he should look towards some governor. Rendell comes to my mind. He literally turned around the economy of Philadelphia and has managed Pennsylvania fairly well. There should be other options also. But the gist of my line of thought is that Obama does not need a foreign policy expert. He is already one. What he needs is a economy expert which will also help him govern well.

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The press seems to like Rendell, kind of a stand-up guy.

I'm not sure the Press and Public agrees with your contention that "obama is a foriegn policy expert" in the polls, that is where he polls behind McCain....

He's ahead on most domestic and economic issues.

Which shows you what polls know, anyone that thinks McCain is a foreign policy expert has had too many bar-beque sandwitches at the ranch with John and Cindy....

But, the Pundits are also reinforcing the meme, so it's a self fufilling prophecy at this point?

I think Biden or Wes Clark (whom Jerome has now written off it seems as not in contention) give Obama some cover there.

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-14 11:36AM | 0 recs
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Rendell couldn't stay on message if his life depended on it. By his own admission he is a loose cannon waiting to fire.

Hey and this isn't a slam, I like the guy, but the VP has to really  stay on message.

by jsfox 2008-08-14 11:40AM | 0 recs
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I agree during the primaries he had the chutzpah to claim all of Obama's young supporters are kool aid drinkers.  The guy doesn't know when to keep his trap shut.

by hocuspocus 2008-08-14 12:25PM | 0 recs
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The VP will be Biden.  I am almost certain of it.  Yesterday Biden's son left his job on the Hedge Fund company that he and his uncle co-own.  Today Biden wrote a great article in the FT.  Today Biden was the representative for Obama with the National Firefighters Union in Las Vegas.

by Spanky 2008-08-14 11:49AM | 0 recs
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Well, I did a diary yesterday, somehow I suspect you could be correct.

Biden seems like a good compromise candidate, not my first or second, but not at the bottom (Evan Bayh...I have candles that are more exciting...)

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-14 11:51AM | 0 recs
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That's too bad. What does he add?

He doesn't reinforce Obama's "change" message.

As a Northeastern liberal Senator, he doesn't add to the electability of the ticket, either in a particular state, or region, or nationally.

As a rival to Clinton in the primaries who went on to endorse Obama, he doesn't really add anything in particular in overcoming that divide in the party (other than perhaps, due to his age and experience, easing concerns among elder voters).

Yes, he should be a good attacker.  And yes, he has a wealth of experience.  But otherwise it doesn't make sense.

by markjay 2008-08-14 12:57PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton is the perfect pick for VP
There is a perfect pick, and it's Hillary Clinton. His choice of her as VP will do more to unity the party than anyone else.
by zenful6219 2008-08-14 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: No she's not either

More democrats will sit out if she isn't.

And when its all over you want to go with Indy or Democrats?

by dtaylor2 2008-08-14 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Indys

Which is more than I give for what some indy or GOP voters may do.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-14 04:42PM | 0 recs
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I was wondering when we'd get around to discussing the VP nominees.

rec'd for originality

by QTG 2008-08-14 11:51AM | 0 recs
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by vcalzone 2008-08-14 11:54AM | 0 recs
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(runs shrieking from the room.)

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-08-14 01:18PM | 0 recs
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I just wish Gov. Strickland could be talked into the VP slot. He has it all IMO.

by Becky G 2008-08-14 11:56AM | 0 recs
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He was and he said no.

by jsfox 2008-08-14 12:02PM | 0 recs
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I don't know if he has it all but I think he could deliver Ohio and that would sew up the election.

by msw4477 2008-08-14 12:02PM | 0 recs
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McBush would surely make an ad of hillary angrily attacking Obama with Strickland standing behind nodding in agreement.

by Glaurung 2008-08-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: He already used

And now he's using Jabba the Penn's recommendation to attack Obama's patriotism.

by Glaurung 2008-08-14 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I tried not

That was such a "this is going straight into a McCain attack ad" moment.  No other utterance from any candidate even comes close.

by Jess81 2008-08-14 03:28PM | 0 recs
Experts are Overrated

I would rather have someone with good judgement.

by parahammer 2008-08-14 11:57AM | 0 recs
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Am I the only one who thinks it would send a horrible message if Obama picked someone who voted/supported the war after basing his entire campaign in opposition to it?

Like it or not, Biden, Kaine, and especially Bayh were very much in favor of it.

by rayj 2008-08-14 12:33PM | 0 recs
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RayJ, I seem to remember you predicting it was Biden or Clinton...and of course, you sort of gave all the reasons WHY it shouldn't be Biden, and ended up with Clinton being the pick.

Yes, shocking that you picked Clinton, and, funny, you left her off your elimination list above....

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-14 01:41PM | 0 recs
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funny how Hillary Clinton keeps popping up as the BEST candidate for the job!!

by nikkid 2008-08-14 12:48PM | 0 recs
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She did. Where did she pop -up?

by jsfox 2008-08-14 12:51PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton

is short, fat, male, bald, and Jewish now?

by JJE 2008-08-14 01:10PM | 0 recs
BEST candidate for the job!!

Only on visits to Fantasy Island.

by Glaurung 2008-08-14 02:05PM | 0 recs
Rendell comes to my mind.

Obama will surely reward someone who who supported him early rather than someone who not only supported hillary, but did so much to hurt him.

by Glaurung 2008-08-14 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Do people have a right to compete?

Didn't you get banned?

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-08-14 01:20PM | 0 recs
Depends on what you mean by "young."

Let's just say my first political words were, "I vote for John F. Kennedy!"

It's Politics 101 to put your supporters ahead of your detractors. And if you think Hillary would have picked someone who attacked her in Obama's behalf, you fail.

by Glaurung 2008-08-14 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Do people have a right to compete?

I'm not sure what the official policy is, but I presume that once you've been banned from a website, you're not welcome back under any name.

Accordingly, I'm going to hide your comments until you tire of watching them disappear and you just go away.

by BobzCat 2008-08-14 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Rendell comes to my mind.

Rendell never said anything that he couldn't walk back.

His help to Hillary Clinton was mostly background - getting the governor in a party machine state is worth a good four or five points.

by Jess81 2008-08-14 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Rendell comes to my mind.

I seem to remember him saying some white people wouldn't vote for Obama.

I really can't see Obama bringing trash like that to the top of his campaign.

by Glaurung 2008-08-14 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Do people have a right to compete?

Shorter catfish gatopescado

Get off my lawn!!!

by John in Chicago 2008-08-15 12:20PM | 0 recs
Biden is a speaker at the convention

Hence, he will not fill the VP time slot

by optimusprime 2008-08-14 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden is a speaker at the convention

It's funny how such a simple fact can get so overlooked by so many experts.

by Glaurung 2008-08-14 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden is a speaker at the convention

No, that's not necessarily so.  As has been reported the convention schedule team and the vp vetting team are totally separate operations. It would be easy to replace a speaker or to make one of the Wednesday speakers the vp nominee.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-14 02:42PM | 0 recs
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Biden has a lot going for him - See this about his work about violence against women: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/ 151122/662/557/567964

by politicsmatters 2008-08-14 02:29PM | 0 recs
Obama is a foreign policy expert already?

Then why in the world did he spend all of that money on his 9 day tour when it could have been used closer to the general election? Or is the tour what made him a foreign policy expert?

by georgiapeach 2008-08-14 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is a foreign policy expert already?

awww someone is still bitter!

by hocuspocus 2008-08-14 03:17PM | 0 recs
Fits together, don't it?

Bitter?  Clinging?  Peaches?


by WashStateBlue 2008-08-14 03:22PM | 0 recs
Me bitter? Naw. I'm a real sweetie.

Barack Obama just doesn't impress me all that much anymore. And it struck me as pretty funny that the talking heads were trying to convince people both during and after his trip that "Barack Obama now has foreign policy credentials that can't be questioned." Kinda sounds like they thought he didn't have any before, but they were firmly convinced that a 9 day tour would bring him up to speed.

by georgiapeach 2008-08-15 02:26PM | 0 recs
It was a Senate trip

except for Germany.

by parahammer 2008-08-14 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: It was a Senate trip

Stop with the facts, you reality peddler!

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-14 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is a foreign policy expert already?
Well, John McCain's been to Iraq 25 times or something like that and thinks we should be there for the next 100 years, he's been in the Senate nearly 30 years, and he's sorry, but "there will be more wars".
He knows nothing about the economy, nothing about energy, nothing about contraception and nothing about health care.
So what  is it about McCain's years of "experience" that appeals to you?
by skohayes 2008-08-14 03:34PM | 0 recs
It's about perception

Obama is right on a lot of foreign policy issues, but does the public perceive him as an "expert?"

by Mayor McCheese 2008-08-14 03:28PM | 0 recs
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I'm no fan of Joe "you (Clarence Thomas) have the benefit of the doubt" Biden and he's not even in my top 10 choices for Obama's VP, but I do agree that Iraq should divide itself into three nations.

by Drummond 2008-08-14 03:54PM | 0 recs


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