Obama stabs progressives in the back once again

It looks like Obama has lost the plot completely. Being nominated based on the strong support  of progressives, he seems to have turned around and stabbed them in the back repeatedly. First it was the faith-based initiatives, then came the sellout to telecom industry. And now, he sells to the oil industry and is ready to vote for the off-shore drilling.

Looks like he took the progressives for a ride.

Tags: offshore drilling (all tags)

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There are a bunch of diaries about...

...this issue already.  Why don't you add your comment to one of those diaries?  

You just pushed someone else's diary off the front page by posting a comment in diary form.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-02 04:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

Of course he was going to stab all the progressives who supported him in the back, once he got our money, votes, and the nomination. Hillary Clinton was the most progressive candidate in the race

Obama's version of "change" is to give up on all core progressive Democratic ideal and goals. He broadcast that loud and clear, but progressives weren't listening, they rather have their fantasy than face reality. They went ahead and supported someone who will use them for all they are worth, and discard them like chaff when he has what he wants.

He will never get a vote or a dollar out of me, I know a con man when I see one.

But so many progressives are still supporting him, saying
He's just running to the right for the genera; election. But the positions he takes now are he only ones he will have a mandate to insist upon later, when it is too late to take back your votes. You will all be screaming "Betrayal!" then, also...

by 07rescue 2008-08-02 05:33AM | 0 recs
Complete BS

First off, there is practically no difference between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on the issues. Claiming otherwise is absurd and indicates either your own ignorance or dishonesty.

Second, Obama (like both Clintons) is and always was  a moderate...like most of the country. The Republicans have become right wing extremists, and corrupt to boot. The Democrats remain the party of the middle. Personally I would like them to be more Progressive, but I know what this country wants and both Clinton and Obama fit that bill.

So at least use facts instead of lies to support whatever point you are trying to make.

by mole333 2008-08-02 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

he supports the bill thats a compromise from the Gang of 10.

really I got to ask do progressives seem to think that they will get their platform 100%? that hey the words compromise will never apply to anything progressives care about?

just because progressives seem to think the GOP has no power left, doesn't make it so.

we want our government to actually work, that means compromise people. get use to it. its what Obama has said since day 1, he will build a working coalition

That means we aren't going to be in deadlock waiting for 1 side to give up. means we are going to give a little, we are going to make them give a little, and we are going to compromise and get stuff done.

by TruthMatters 2008-08-02 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

Uh, no, liar.  Obama, his surrogrates and the majority of his supporters painted Hillary as a lying, triangulating almost-con.

Now look at you all.  After slandering Hillary you now defend Obama FOR THE VERY SAME THING.

And not only defend, but laud him for it.

You are a hypocrite, along with the majority of Obama's supporters.

by rankles 2008-08-02 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

Yes, and we all know that Hillary wouldn't have done this.  Give me a break, take your sniveling, sniffling whining elsewhere.  The sooner the far left and the far right realize that it doesn't work unless we meet in the middle the better off we'll all be.

And if you look at the words, there's no way in hell that the oil companies will get what they want entirely.  He will not support any legislation that doesn't require that we move forward, so get off your fucking "I-told-you-so horse."

by LtWorf 2008-08-02 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

Hillary is not the issue.  She is not the candidate.  Your flawed candidate is.  And you lot have consigned us to four more wars, just as we said you would.  There's no denying it now, Obama is a disaster.

by rankles 2008-08-02 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

Many of us DID tell you so.  

So how's your crow?  How does it feel backing a disaster?

by rankles 2008-08-03 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

well, and he was going to "work" to get immunity out of the FISA bill...how did that work out again?

by zerosumgame 2008-08-03 04:19PM | 0 recs
Based on FISA and now this, is there a position

or an issue on which Obama will not cave before the Republicans? I don't think so!!!

"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage -- I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

Those are the mad negotiation skills that are going to get us universal health care?

Next time you want party unity, try nominating a Democrat!!!!!

by suzieg 2008-08-02 09:32AM | 0 recs
No True Scotsman!

Obama is a Democrat. The Democrats have long had a very broad coalition, ideologically.

by itsthemedia 2008-08-02 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Bullshit
Then fucking vote for for McCain...or at least Cindy McKinny if your heart is "true."
My progressive circle here in Denver are working on on the Obama campaign 3 days a week now..it isn't even Labor Day.
We know this election is too damn important to sit at home and whine.
by nogo postal 2008-08-02 05:44AM | 0 recs
Thanks for your hard work!

by missliberties 2008-08-02 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

Just curious: have you ever thought for yourself in your life or do you blindly believe every Republican talking point no matter how absurd?

by mole333 2008-08-02 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

IM just curious: have you ever thought for yourself in your life or do you blindly believe that every opinion which doesn't match the current and ever-changing Obama positions to be a Republican talking point?

Obviously FISA is no longer a rethug talking point, since Obama supports it, right?

Obviously faith based initiatives is no longer a rethug talking point, since Obama supports it, right?

Obviously drilling new oil fields is no longer a rethug talking point, since Obama supports it, right?

by rankles 2008-08-02 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

I have never believed I had to agree with someone 100% to vote for them. Obama has been consistent on all of these issues except maybe FISA. Of course he wasn't alone in that fiasco, was he? But he never portrayed himself as anything but a moderate...much like Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and most Democrats out there. As a Progressive I never felt misled and I bet very few did. NPR has done extensive debunking of the myth that Obama has been changing his positions. Maybe you don't listen to NPR, but maybe you should because if you did you might sound less like either a fool or a right wing tool. You even cite faith based initiatives. Now I happen to oppose them, but read Obama's book from before he even ran for Senate and you will see his position is a moderate one that has not changed one tiny bit since then. But you believe the McCain talking point on that even though it is a debunked lie. Obama is and has been a consistent moderate.

Now, we have a choice in November, right? Obama vs. McCain. You try convincing anyone that McCain is a better choice on women's rights, gay rights, environment, fiscal responsibility, Iraq, Iran, healthcare or education. Come on. Does McCain even come close? No. Obama is the CLEAR choice for progressives, moderates, civil libertarians, fiscal conservatives and libeals alike. McCain is the clear choice for that tiny percentage of Americans who still support Bush and his Iraq quagmire.

by mole333 2008-08-02 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Give me an effin' break.

Get off the faith based initiatives.  The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

You're freakin' naive if you think that the government can ably set up the network of charities that religious organizations have.

And as long as they're doing charitable work and not preaching, most reasonable people, which you obviously are not, would have no problem with this.

by LtWorf 2008-08-02 08:47AM | 0 recs
Shazone: How Many?

How many drive-by troll ratings you coward?  If you want to have a debate, reply in a substantive way.

Or do I dare believe that you're someone's sock puppet.  Oh, I don't know.  Kind of fits the modus operandi of someone else whose screename begins with "S".

by LtWorf 2008-08-02 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Shazone: How Many?

I'm a sockpuppet blahblahblah I'm a McCain troll blahblahblah...you're going to be reciting that litany all the way to defeat.

Obama is a disaster.  It's time to cut bait and make sure we hold onto our congressional advantages.  That's the most important thing now.

by rankles 2008-08-02 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Shazone: How Many?

Burp...did you say something?

by LtWorf 2008-08-02 12:06PM | 0 recs
I knew you were Know Vox n/t

by Koan 2008-08-02 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives ii

Barack's running on the ability to unite and get things done. His claim is that bickering gets in the way of doing deals, and that he won't refuse a deal because some element is repugnant to his base.  

In this case he's being clear, even though this is a pander that is bad public policy and could further harm the environment and won't help with fuel costs (and is the wrong direction), he'd let it go to pass the energy bill he wants, give the other side a little face saving gesture, and hope that he'd be able to take it out later, it would be for window dressing.  

His thing is to get along, and that means no one gets left out entirely, including really stupid or wrong-headed types.

His mistake is that he didn't have to make this claim, it was a tad too honest and too complex to explain without losing the attention of his listeners.  He could have said - offshore drilling is bad public policy, and, he'll do what needs to be done to pass a overall useful energy bill.

then move-on wouldn't have wasted money on their ad against McCain and his supporters would be able to appreciate his intentions without having to recognize that some details will be offensive, expensive, and in the wrong direction.  

Barack says he's a new kind of politician, and of course he is, he is inexperienced, and he hasn't learned to say what he means simply, so that it's harder to misunderstand.

He's not in favor of off-shore drilling.

He's in favor of getting stuff down without making enemies.  

He needs to learn how to state his policies in a way that they can't be misunderstood. right now he hands the misunderstanding sound bite on a silver platter.  

by anna shane 2008-08-02 06:30AM | 0 recs
If Hillary were the nominee and doing this,

then people would be screaming "she'll do anything to get elected" and what a panderer she is. The hypocrisy is kinda funny.

by Lakrosse 2008-08-02 07:14AM | 0 recs
Goes both ways

The very same people who are attacking Obama now would forgive the same in Hillary.

Personally I defended both. They are both less progressive than me, but are solid moderates, highly capable and intelligent, and Obama happened to solidly win the nomination.

No matter what McCain would have used the "flip flop" lie against either Hillary OR Obama. Our job is to counter that lie, not re-enforce it. The myth has been debunked repeatedly on places like NPR. So rather than continue the lie, I think Hillary and Obama supporters need to unite behind our candidate and against the McCain lies. And I would have said the same if Hillary was the nominee.

by mole333 2008-08-02 07:22AM | 0 recs
Hello to the Truth

Hillary was willing to evolve her position for political expediency.

Which is why she back off on Eliot Spitzer's drivers liscenses for illegals. She did a complete 180 on that without a whimper from the Clinton supporters.

by missliberties 2008-08-02 08:07AM | 0 recs
Hello to the Truth II

Obama is willing to evolve his position for political expediency.

Which is why he backed off on offshore drilling. He did a complete 180 on that without a whimper from the Obama supporters.

by Lakrosse 2008-08-02 10:22AM | 0 recs
and.....

what's your point.

Hillary would be positioning herself for a win if she were the nominee, and I doubt you would wimper about it.

by missliberties 2008-08-02 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: and.....

Lakrosse is just another BB. Barack Backstabber. They claim that since Hillary's loss to support him, but backstab him every chance they get.

by venician 2008-08-02 10:34AM | 0 recs
I don't whimper about Obama,

but I am merely pointing out that if Hillary were the nominee, she'd be getting called out by Ariana Huffington and Markos for more "Clintonesque triangulation" and be called a Republican. Also, Hillary was smart, and positioned herself for the general during the primary so she wouldn't have been dubbed flip flop like Barack Obama is gonna be.

by Lakrosse 2008-08-02 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't whimper about Obama,

Nice try expect you have no idea/PROOF that this would happen, DO YOU?

by venician 2008-08-02 10:43AM | 0 recs
So?

Why are you practicing the same bad habits you are complaining about? The vast majority of Democrats are pretty happy with both Obama and Clinton. Don't you think it's better to fight against Republicans rather than fight eachother? In my political circle there are people who favored Edwards, Obama, Richardson and Clinton. Now we are working together rather than rehashing old fights over and over again to no purpose.

by mole333 2008-08-02 02:18PM | 0 recs
If you want party unity, nominate a democrat!

by suzieg 2008-08-02 09:37AM | 0 recs
Ummm...

Are you saying that the person who got the most Democratic votes is somehow not the Democratic Candidate? Sorry, I was willing to back any of our candidates. We had an excellent crop this year, whatever whining fools like you might say. The VOTERS chose Obama over the others. That's called democracy. Personally I don't see what your problem is.

by mole333 2008-08-02 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm...

She didn't get her way that's the problem. You know, it's the me me me generation, and when they don't get what they want they cry for weeks on end.

by venician 2008-08-02 03:50PM | 0 recs
With all his flip flops, the republicans will have

Kerry looking like a rock next to him!

by suzieg 2008-08-02 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: With all his flip flops,

Except McSame flip flopped on the same issue.

by venician 2008-08-02 10:33AM | 0 recs
Get a clue

The McCain Lie about Obama flip flopping has been debunked by NPR repeatedly. I guess you don't listen to NPR...perhaps you prefer Fox News. It sure sounds like that's who your quoting.

by mole333 2008-08-02 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama stabs progressives in the back once agai

Yawn. I am not surprised by his recent flops. I knew the guy was nothing more than a libertarian in drag. I am taking pleasure in watching him track to the GOP standpoint on a host of issues. I am expecting him to throw gays and lesbians under the bus next. It would fit his MO at this point. Why would any progressive keep a guy like Meeks or Caldwell around.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-08-02 07:31AM | 0 recs
Haven't you seen the new McCain ad

Barack Obama is gay just like Charlton Heston.

by missliberties 2008-08-02 08:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Haven't you seen the new McCain ad

Can anyone explain what this comment means? I keep trying to unpack it but I just get nonsense.

by souvarine 2008-08-02 09:31AM | 0 recs
Unpack it?

Why do you hate 'the gays'.

by missliberties 2008-08-02 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: I consider myself

a Progressive, but I'm not on the pure bleeding edge fringe of the group. I'm in the victorious Obama place of progressive politics. The kind that can win and the kind that therefore can accomplish progress rather than merely express outrage.

by QTG 2008-08-02 09:57AM | 0 recs

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