Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

"I was taken aback by the demeaning remarks Senator Obama made about people in small town America.  Senator Obama's remarks are elitist and they are out of touch," Clinton told the factory workers. "They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans. Certainly not the Americans that I know -- not the Americans I grew up with, not the Americans I lived with in Arkansas or represent in New York. You know, Americans who believe in the 2nd Amendment believe it's a matter of Constitutional rights."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/04/12/882042.aspx

I knew that she would say anything to get elected but when the hell did she join the NRA?

Gun Control Advocates Call Clinton a Hypocrite

February 05, 2008 8:19 AM

Yesterday we took a look at Sen. Barack Obama's pro-hunter preaching in Idaho, wondering how it fit with a 1996 questionnaire in which he supported banning all handguns. Sen. Hillary Clinton implied Obama was a flip-flopper. (Read more HERE.)

This aroused the ire of some gun control advocates, who pointed out that even if one considers this an Obama flip-flop (and Obama says that questionnaire was filled out incorrectly by a staffer), Clinton has made a much more dramatic flip.

In an email to me, Andy Pelosi of Gun Free Kids, writes, "quite frankly, there are many gun control advocates that find it distasteful that Clinton appears to be running to the right of Obama on guns."

Running for the Senate in 2000, Clinton appeared before newspaper publishers in May of that year to say that gun control was part of the raison d'etre for her Senate campaign.

"We have to do more to stand up to those who refuse to believe the reality that guns do kill and that common-sense gun measures can make a difference," she said to the Newspaper Association of America's annual convention in New York. "I believe we need a comprehensive plan to stop gun violence, and it is one of the reasons I am running for the Senate."

Part of this, she said, was a national gun registry.

"We license drivers before they get behind the wheel to make sure they can drive safely," she said. "We register cars to make sure someone is responsible for every vehicle on the road. But we don't do the same for deadly weapons."

But last month she backed off this proposal.

At a Democratic debate in Nevada she said something different.

She said she was against "illegal guns," she said she wanted to get guns "out of the hands of young people," she called for a registry of "felons, people who have been committed to mental institutions like the man in Virginia Tech who caused so much death and havoc" and "we need to enforce the laws that we have on the books. I would also work to reinstate the assault-weapons ban."

These are generally the steps supported by the Republican presidential candidates as well. Which is fine - but it's quite different from how she sounded in 2000, when she was calling for far more liberal gun control measures.

"You know, I believe in the Second Amendment. People have a right to bear arms," Clinton said at the Nevada debate, "but I also believe that we can common-sensically approach this."

Inquired Tim Russert, "But you've backed off a national licensing registration plan?"

"Yes," Clinton said.

Bryan Miller, Executive Director of Ceasefire NJ , writes that "Clinton"s attack (on Obama on guns) is an obvious effort to frighten some with the false specter of gun confiscation under an Obama presidency, a prospect that is clearly not in the cards in this country, whoever is in office."

He goes on: "Clinton's attack is highly ironic, as well, both because she has changed positions on guns even more rapidly than Obama..." He says "there's more than a bit of the pot calling the kettle in Clinton's carefully parsed, but transparent and toxic attack. So, not only is Clinton's arithmetic incorrect as to Obama's so-called 'rapidly changes position,' but her own stated stance on gun regulation has both changed dramatically and done so in a much shorter time frame. No hypocrisy there, right?"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/02/gun-control-adv.html

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Re: Hillary Clinton, gun rights supporter

your 3rd world countries constitution is not be mistaken as American ...

still another interesting choice of words....

(Would you like me to teach you about the difference between plurals and possessives?)

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-12 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun rights supporter

The National Rifle Association (NRA) sells everything from its political agenda to its merchandise with a simple equation: more guns equal more freedom. The NRA steadfastly maintains that the 30,000 gun-related deaths with firearms in the United States every year are a small price to pay to guarantee freedom.

When gun enthusiasts talk about "freedom," they have something specific in mind--freedom from government oppression. In their view, unfettered access to firearms is the key ingredient to protecting individual rights from overreaching by government.   They argue that the only way to keep centralized authority in check is to ensure that individual citizens retain the capability to confront the government with force of arms. As NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre has said, "The people have a right to take whatever measures necessary, including force, to abolish oppressive government."

This idea, which we call "insurrectionism," is part of a broader ideological perspective that opposes a strong, activist government in nearly all of its forms.  Insurrectionist philosophy degrades the democratic values and institutions that protect all of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans.  Gun lobby extremists have been perfectly willing to trample on any freedom that gets in the way of their pursuit of unrestricted private access to firearms (i.e., property rights, access to justice, freedom of information, public safety, etc.). This toxic mix of ideology and firepower has moved beyond rhetoric and resulted in real violence in our country.

http://www.csgv.org/site/c.pmL5JnO7KzE/b .3509297/

by Andre X 2008-04-12 11:02AM | 0 recs
Kerry belonged to the NRA

so do many, many democrats. So this is just a bunch of nothing.

by 4justice 2008-04-12 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

This is from Feb 5th.  Could you find something a little more current?  How about if HRC gave a speach and said guns were bitter and this caused them to seek out god in a condesending manner in which HRC seemed to be talking down to guns??


by giusd 2008-04-12 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

Posted: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:58 PM by Mark Murray on MSNBC

by Andre X 2008-04-12 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

The article is from feb 5th.


by giusd 2008-04-12 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

not a million years ago

by Andre X 2008-04-12 11:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

Hey andre, lookee here.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/ those-damn-jews-and-obama/

the story is out and no matter how you spin it or how many people yu silence, a lot of people are going to read about these anti-semitic comments. Gee. I guess NoQ is a right wing site now too.

Censorship never works. Never has, never will.  

by linfar 2008-04-12 11:15AM | 0 recs
Yes it is

Absolutely a right wing site.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-04-12 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

Watching Clinton is like reading Animal Farm.

She is Napoleon the Pig President of Animal Farm.

She has morphed into a right wing corporatist enabler that will do and say whatever she has to to gain power.

by Andre X 2008-04-12 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper
Uh, sure. 'Cause there's nothing more Right wing than fighting for things like universal healthcare, huh?
by sricki 2008-04-12 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun control flip flopper

Hey look! Larry Johnson is a hell of lot more honest than linfar

Let me state at the outset that Eric Lee, the man who launched this verbal tirade, was not acting at the behest of Barack Obama.

Of course, he then goes on to describe Father Michael Fleger, a trouble-making, rabble rousing, activist priest and a hero to many in Chicago as "bat shit crazy" and implies that he is anti-semitic.

But when you're flinging poo, you grab the shit with both hands and fling with all your might.

And on that score, linfar and Larry Johnson run pretty much neck-and-neck.

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-12 11:27AM | 0 recs
Flegler is batshit cRAZY

I once had to sdave his life. in the latre '90s, he went on a crusade to shut down Chicago's annual Hempfest. Showed up to picket us one year, and got himself surrounded by angry young attendees. I  held thgem off from physically attacking him until the CPD could extract his sorry ass.

by benmasel 2008-04-12 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Flegler is batshit cRAZY

so..... he was picketing and people tried to beat him to death...?

and he's the crazy one?

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-12 12:23PM | 0 recs
Not mutually exclusive

I defended his right to picket, but he had no respect for our Rights to Assembly and Petition for redress. He did not succeed in getting us shut down, but the Supreme Court eventually used our event to set new precedent in allowing the Parks district to place us in the least visible part of their system.

Thomas et al v Chicago Parks District

by benmasel 2008-04-12 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Flegler is batshit cRAZY

Is that a threat? What will Big Nurse say if I tell her you've been threatening people?

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-12 12:44PM | 0 recs
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by Andre X 2008-04-12 11:34AM | 0 recs
you changed your title

who is the flip flopper?

by 4justice 2008-04-12 11:41AM | 0 recs
yep, a 'staffer' did it

always a good excuse...

by zerosumgame 2008-04-12 11:56AM | 0 recs
Hillary pledged to grab guns just yesterday

Her Crime plan

Renew the Assault Weapons Ban to take the most dangerous categories of firearms and magazines off the streets.

by benmasel 2008-04-12 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton, gun rights supporter

All your base belong to us.

by johngalt 2008-04-12 12:31PM | 0 recs
What are you talking about?

by SocialDem 2008-04-12 02:04PM | 0 recs


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