Obama playing politics with Iraq

I know that MyDD is full of Obama lovers and Hillary haters; it seems that whenever you praise Sen. Clinton, people bring up the old issues and bash her about it, but is Sen. Obama says or does something that appears wrong, then folks come and pretend that he is still in a "learning phase".

Well, now, let's take Iraq. Sen. Clinton had made an announced call for a speech in Iowa today to talk about Iraq at length, with her recent op-ed in the New York Daily News with Sen. Byrd of West Virginia. Sensing that he is losing ground to Hillary among voters who trust her experience and doubt his ability (rightfully so.. to some extent), he also announced his own speech for Iraq FIVE MINUTES away from Hillary's speech podium. Maybe he will blame his staff for this mistake, AGAIN!

Now, Obama announced at the last minute that he will deliver the speech as well and is using it to divide Democrats, but inciting some sort of "fear" that those who voted for this made a terrible decision (that is debatable.. this war is a mistake) and talks in his ever Professorial manner. Obama should STOP this politicization for war and not divide us like the GOP and instead, unite the party, behind him or the entire Democratic movement to ensure an outstanding victory in '08.

Go ahead all Obama manias, bash me with all you got. I am just being fair and I have criticized Sen. Clinton before you begin comparing me to "areyouready"

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Politics, WAR IN IRAQ (all tags)

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65 Comments

Iraq

Uh, I've got news for you, everything is political. Candidates address issues all of the time (or not) - who cares if the "timing" is the same or similar to someone else's speech on the issue. Uh, Iraq is a big issue - there's no unwritten rule that you can't  bring an issue up if another candidate did so five minutes earlier.

Frackin' junior high school political science and video gaming club taking over MyDD...

by Michael Bersin 2007-07-10 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Iraq

You did not just pull out Battlestar Galatica on him....  ;-)

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:28AM | 0 recs
Yitbos, what

is the diarist talking about?  

"FIVE MINUTES away from Hillary's speech podium"

I don't get it.  And you know I am not an "Obama partisan," but this diary makes no sense.

by littafi 2007-07-10 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Yitbos, what

We are all a little confused by him/her...

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Obama supporters, please don't bother responding. There is nothing for us to discuss here. Just nod and move on.

by bode78 2007-07-10 10:21AM | 0 recs
Obama's own words

Hat tips to citizen53. Read the following:

Obama now:


Presidential contender Barack Obama on Tuesday dismissed his Democratic rivals' change of heart on the Iraq war as too little too late

Obama, in November 2006:


Where do you find yourself having the biggest differences with Hillary Clinton, politically?

You know, I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's the most disciplined--one of the most disciplined people--I've ever met. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence. And she is, she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children. So it's not clear to me what differences we've had since I've been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.

How would one run against Hillary Clinton, in that sense?

Oh, I don't know.

You never gave it any thought?

I haven't.

You sure?

Positive.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/10 /30/061030on_onlineonly04?currentPage=3

by areyouready 2007-07-10 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's own words

If there's a point, please feel free to come to it.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's own words

2006!

2006!

2006!

Try TODAY!

Associated Press
Obama Challenges Rivals on Iraq War
By MIKE GLOVER 07.10.07, 1:04 PM ET

Presidential contender Barack Obama on Tuesday dismissed his Democratic rivals' change of heart on the Iraq war as too little too late, while Hillary Rodham Clinton urged a quick end to U.S. involvement in the conflict.

Obama, an Illinois senator, and Clinton, a New York senator, focused on the nearly 4 1/2 year war in dueling speeches only a few city blocks apart in the first-in-the-nation voting state of Iowa. Senators will have a chance to vote in the coming days on whether to begin withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq, where the conflict has claimed more than 3,600 U.S. lives.

"Being a leader means that you'd better do what's right and leave the politics aside because there are no do-overs on an issue as important as war," Obama said, adding that the Iraq war should never should have been authorized or waged.

Obama, then a state lawmaker in Illinois, opposed the war from the start.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/1 0/ap3899640.html

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-10 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's own words
We criticize Dem senators who justify their votes to fund the war by using the rightwing frame of "supporting the troops" - but Obama supporters think it's
okey dokey.
by annefrank 2007-07-10 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's own words

Yeah, supporting the troops is really stupid, you're right.

by This Machine Kills Fascists 2007-07-10 08:58PM | 0 recs
Edwards going back to poverty

He flogged the war issue for months.  He pulled the bit about questioning the judgement of people who voted for it and wouldn't say sorry and he went after those who continued to fund it.  It got him nowhere.  So now he is going back to the poverty issue.

Barack should have learned from Edwards.  Barack, after seeing his campaign sputter and stall as he talked up hope and bi-partisanship seems ready to commit to flogging the war.  I doubt he will get much more traction than Edwards going this route.

I think the simple fact is that Democrats as a whole are not all that divided on the war.  So trying to stir up division or trying to seperate yourself on the issue isn't going to work - its not going to drive your numbers.

by dpANDREWS 2007-07-10 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards going back to poverty

Couldn't agree more with your statement, as for the others, I am not surprised at their unassertive response to my view. "Just nod", this proves that MyDD has been hijaked with Obama manias who are unwilling to accept just criticism and respond to it.

by American1989 2007-07-10 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards going back to poverty

Just FYI...

The words Hillbots (or any derivative), Obamaniac (or any derivative) or far leftist (or any derivative) will be troll rated.  They are insulting and should not be used.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards going back to poverty
What about JoeBama or ObamaJoe? Can I use those?
They're references to Obama endorsing DilJoe and supporting him - primary through the general - and refusing to campaign with the Democratic anti-war candidate, Lamont. Obama also led a standing ovation for DilJoe when he returned to the Senate. YaaaaY!
by annefrank 2007-07-10 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards going back to poverty

Since those are Bullshit names, yes they will too.  And If I see Edwards slurs like empty smile, pretty boy or hair boy, I will troll rate them too.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards going back to poverty

We shall see... personally I think you are dead wrong on the importance of Iraq.  Iraq and Healthcare are the two biggest issues right now.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:33AM | 0 recs
On Iraq

I didn't say Iraq isn't important.  I just said I don't think it is an issue that the Democratic candidates can really seperate themselves on.  I think most Democratic voters are of a mind that any of them will bring the war to a quick conclusion if elected.

I don't think the issue will deterine the winner.  I just don't see people drawing too many distinctions beween the candidates on the issues.

I think it will come down to perceptions.  Who is the most Presidential.  Who is the most electable.  Who is the most experienced.  If the candidates were (or were percieved to be) 90 or 180 degrees apart on a bunch of issues than I'd be singing a different tune, but they are not.

by dpANDREWS 2007-07-10 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: On Iraq

>>>If the candidates were (or were percieved to be) 90 or 180 degrees apart on a bunch of issues than I'd be singing a different tune, but they are not.

Have Hillary and Obama advocated higher taxes for hedge-funds?
Have Hillary and Obama advocated a minimum wage of $9.50?
Hillary has raked in almost $2M and Obama almost $1.5M from the telecoms - so what are their positions on Spectrum?? Or are you suggesting the telecoms are donating heavily to them to ensure OUR internet remains OURS?

by annefrank 2007-07-10 11:55AM | 0 recs
None of that matters

Ask the average Democratic primary voters about that stuff and they will give you a blank stare.

by dpANDREWS 2007-07-10 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: None of that matters
Exactly!  the corporate media isn't about to alert us about the telecoms working night and day to takeover the net! The telecoms are their corporate sponsors.
And Hillary and Obama, friends of the Telecom$ aren't alerting their supporters.
Who is alerting us to this???  John Edwards - the Progressive candidate.
by annefrank 2007-07-10 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: None of that matters

Ah Annefrank, the AREYOUREADY of the Edwards set.  I miss Okamichigan13 and Tarheel... at least they were good for an intelligent debate.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: None of that matters

Yeah...what a bunch of idiots!

by This Machine Kills Fascists 2007-07-10 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: On Iraq

Hillary advocated indexing minimum wage to inflation, as it already has been done in 16 states.  That is much more far-reaching than a simple additional $1.50 minimum wage increase incrementally by such and such date.   If her proposal would be heeded it would take "minimum wage" completely off the table, as it just goes up every year to keep pace with inflation instead of coming up every 5 years or so as an "issue."   Clinton has the more sensible approach on minimum wage, you say?   You bet.  

And, let's not exactly talk about hedgefunds here in terms of Edwards.  He is the biggest recipients of hedgefund contributions after Dodd, so let's be realistic here how Edwards would deal with that industry.  

by georgep 2007-07-10 01:09PM | 0 recs
Agree with you about Clinton, however

Edwards does want to raise taxes on hedge funds(as they should be).  Edwards probably is second in fundraising from hedgefunds because of his connections and relationships with the industry, but he really is ahead of the curve on this one.

by bookgrl 2007-07-10 02:36PM | 0 recs
Edwards has led on the issues...

and is not going back to poverty.  It's an issue that was, is and will be.

As for Iraq, Edwards said this today:

"It is more important than ever for people all across the country to let Congress know that we expect them to act decisively to end the war in Iraq. Congress should no longer facilitate the President's stubborn allegiance to his failed strategy. It's not enough to talk a good game any more. It is time to act. The one way to support our troops and bring them home is for Congress to exercise its constitutionally mandated funding power, force an immediate drawdown of 40,000 to 50,000 troops and require withdrawal of all troops within about a year."

http://johnedwards.com/news/headlines/20 070710-iraq/

Edwards was first to put out a health care proposal, renounce Bush's GWOT, put forth far reaching energy proposals, among other things.

He has pushed the issues in this campaign, not just made it an exercise in raising money.  

by citizen53 2007-07-10 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Screw up?  It was strategy... there is nothing wrong with it, just as there was nothing wrong with Hillary deciding to come to Selma for Bill's thing, AFTER finding out Obama was going to be there.

The thing you should be wondering... if Hillary's position is as strong in Iowa as some of you seem to think it is... pointing to the numbers that she drew last week as anecdotal evidence... then why did Obama have double the number of people listening to his speech, according to Mike Glover from the AP.  Maybe, just maybe, the 6000 people were there to see former President Bill Clinton, rather than Hillary.  Or did I miss the articles where Hillary draws 15-20,000 on her own in certain cities?

The WAR IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THIS ELECTION.  I hope he plasters her for her strong support of the war and lack of an apology over and over and over again.  Until she is willing to apologize, then she needs to be reminded her initial vote helped kill many many many people.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Going into Iraq, whether or not it was right or wrong is up for debate; I was against this war from the start; but as for the number of people flocking to see Obama, then why aren't the polls showing it? Or, are the polls ALWAYS wrong? I am sure that is what you believe.

by American1989 2007-07-10 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Didn't say polls are always wrong.  I did say ARG's LV numbers are probably wrong because they are out of line with most of the other polls out there.  

You were against the war, but you support a woman who was an ardent supporter of this war for a long while... way to stick with your values.

The number of people attending rallies is small compared to number of voters in a state.  The large rallies are a big boon to fundraising and DEDICATED volunteer workers.  For the numbers Hillary is polling nationally, you thing her donor base would be larger.  I'll be curious to see where she is at COH in a few days, as well as at the end of this quarter. Obama has a donor base he can continue to tap.  Hillary doesn't have that same size base.  Money doesn't guarentee a win, but it does help.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq
When I saw that SC poll indicating Obama was leading, that was a big red flag! because I knew it couldn't be true.
Another big red flag is polling companies including non-candidate Gore in polls. Another effort to dismiss Edwards.
by annefrank 2007-07-10 12:17PM | 0 recs
But the fact is

Obama has done nothing more to end the war.  In fact Hillary has possibly done more to end the war then he.  It is her that is calling out Bush, not Obama.   Obama is too busy patting himself on the back for being against it from the start (although he wasn't against funding it from the start now was he?).

As I said above.  I think that with the exception of people like you, who already support him, the war issue isn't going to drive any additional support his way.  I didn't work for Edwards when he aggressively came out against Obama and Hillary for their continued funding of it.  

Like I said, the vast majority of Democrats are united on the war issue so seperating yourself on the issue is almost impossible.

by dpANDREWS 2007-07-10 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: But the fact is

I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: But the fact is

To keep it honest, the senate can not do ANYTHING, until 16 senators decide to back the dems and defund the war, period.

The house has not moved in that direction and the senate has its hands tied.

To blame either Clinton or Obama is ridiculous.  The DSCC is running targeted ads against, McConnell, Coleman, Sununu, Collins targeting them and their vote on IRAQ.

Though Clinton has the baggage of voting for the war, and folks are trying to throw the baggage on Obama for not doing anything about the war, the total consensus is this, unless you have full votes, and I mean 67 TO OVERTURN A PRESIDENTIAL VETO, this will continue.

The ones to target are all 21 Republicans, running for office next year.  You see, Domenici, has already broken with the President.  That is what you need to squelch Iraq.  Until the Republicans are strong enough to stand up and vote what is right, instead of talking about it "off the record", this war will continue.

by icebergslim 2007-07-10 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: But the fact is
But see - this is evidence that Obama uses the SIZE of his donor base selectively - to enhance his campaign - not end the war.
He could have been encouraging his supporters from the gitgo to pester their senators to end the war. But he didn't for several months - until the timing was "right."  Probably because he voted with Repubs in March to continue the war until the "job is complete."
by annefrank 2007-07-10 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I don't think you are like AREYOUREADY... I'd be willing to bet you are AREYOUREADY.  Same writing style, the timelines check out... lack of account activity.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I am NOT areyouready, that person is for Hillary, could be that he is from the Clinton camp, I am a neutral uncommited Democratic primary voter.

by American1989 2007-07-10 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Sure you are... Your small number of posts and diaries show us that (/snark)

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

That is because I am new to this website and decided to join until all you Obamasided pervs are jumping up on me.

by American1989 2007-07-10 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Clinton supporters should not use the word "pervs". I mean really.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-10 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

There have been problems with trolls on this site recently.  And please refrain from calling any candidates supporters, names.  We are trying to get above this.

by icebergslim 2007-07-10 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I sincerely apologize for such comments, I was enraged by the fact that people are discounting me and comparing me to areyouready, who is a Hillary-lover!

by American1989 2007-07-10 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

If I am wrong, I apologize.  Everyone of your posts have been extremely negative.  Maybe once I see you negaged in other debates, then I will be proven wrong and will be happy to offer a full apology.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I wish he/she is my double. LOL.

Why many Obama supporters are so paranoid? It's absolutely hilarious. It's an interesting psychodrama, and I am observing anyone of you with interest. Maybe I can draw some concrete conclusion in the end.

by areyouready 2007-07-10 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Not paranoid... just wanting to deal with human beings and not little trolls.

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-10 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Because we know you are a "dubious" poster, one who has not vehemently "denied" that you are not carolinehanz, kostner, masaoda.  Sorry, you have not.  Why?  Because I am sure the admins know you are one in the "same".

by icebergslim 2007-07-10 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Ah, HUAC has arrived. Are you now or have you ever been a Hillary Clinton supporter?

by souvarine 2007-07-10 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I have supported the Clintons, back in the day.  Will vote for her if the nominee, I am a democrat, FIRST, not supporting her for the primaries.

by icebergslim 2007-07-10 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I know you were, slim, until NAFTA and outsourcing. I'm poking fun at your troll-hunting among the Clinton supporters.

by souvarine 2007-07-10 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Naw, not hunting.  Wrote a diary yesterday on trolling, and to bring civility of conversation back to the board.  Meh.  I am personally affected by NAFTA and outsourcing.  And as this campaign rolls along, everyone will be exposed on this point.  

by icebergslim 2007-07-10 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Now, Obama announced at the last minute that he will deliver the speech as well and is using it to divide Democrats, but inciting some sort of "fear" that those who voted for this made a terrible decision (that is debatable.. this war is a mistake) and talks in his ever Professorial manner.

I found this diary pretty incoherent and difficult to understand.  This sentence is a representative example.  I get that it's supposed to say something bad about Obama but I can't really understand any of the substance.

by Steve M 2007-07-10 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I agree - I understand that the diarist doesn't like Obama, but I'm not sure why. As far as I can tell, s/he thinks that making an Iraq speech around the same time that Clinton does is dividing the Democratic party. If this is the case, no more than one candidate should be allowed to speak about any one issue - if Edwards and Obama both mention poverty, then they're dividing the party! If Dodd and Richardson both mention climate change, they're dividing the party!

by This Machine Kills Fascists 2007-07-10 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

well, you tell me, why did Obama decide THIS MORNING to go give a speech on Iraq, not in D.C., not on the Senate floor, but FIVE MINUTES AWAY from Hillary? Think about that for a second....

by American1989 2007-07-10 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Why did Hillary not take a leadership stand and vote for the war amendment, instead waiting until Obama voted, and then rushed and voted the same way?

Two way, street.

by icebergslim 2007-07-10 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Exactly,

Why won't the Diarist lament and decry Hillary's launch of a piggy back pander fest in Selma when Obama had been scheduled for several weeks in advance, she decided to go out there and drag her "Hubby" because she can't compete with Obama on her own, to pander to people ? Where's that criticism?

" Aw done feeel nowayz turrd "

LOL

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-10 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I have no problem with Obama deciding to rush to Iowa quickly to pre-empt Clinton on an Iraq speech, but I think you are overshooting here.   All you are showing is that you don't know how Senate roll calls work.  Otherwise you would know that Clinton did not wait for Obama to make her move on the funding authorization.  

by georgep 2007-07-10 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

That is incorrect.

The initial roll was read and neither of them answered. After that in a roll call vote, there is a set time period in which Senators can cast their votes (or change them if they've already given them, I believe).

A rather extended period of time passed after the initial roll was called. Obama cast his vote; whereupon Clinton immediately cast hers.

by jacortina 2007-07-10 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

What do you mean five minutes away? Five minutes after? Anyways, I still don't see the problem here. It's a political race - it makes sense to do political things.

by This Machine Kills Fascists 2007-07-10 11:23AM | 0 recs
The uber politician is Hillary Clinton

The person who played politics with Iraq is Hillary Clinton and she refuses to apologize for it.

Over 3500 US troops killed
Over 20,000 US troops wounded and maimed.
Over 100,000 Iraqis killed in this senseless war.

Maybe, next time, Hillary will put the American people's interests first and foremost like it should always be instead of following the advice of her rudderless union-busting political adviser, Mark Penn.

by rosebowl 2007-07-10 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: The uber politician is Hillary Clinton

What's up with this apologizing stuff? So, if she says sorry, things will get better and the war will come to a peaceful end? I mean, get real. I think she does not say that because she understands that as a woman candidate, she cannot show this kind of weakness that the GOP will use to incite other neutral voters to go against the woman.

by American1989 2007-07-10 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: The uber politician is Hillary Clinton

That's bull. Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House ( Third From The Presidency ) and she is FAR for more woman than Hillary will ever be. She had no problem opposing the Iraq War. As a woman , it offends me that Hillary is basing her rigid stubbornness and political calculations on being a woman. That's a slap in my face and sends the WRONG message to women. I guess that's why the real strong women of America who are smart and professional, abhor her so much, while the victim mentality, "stay in your place" types embrace her?

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-10 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: The uber politician is Hillary Clinton

Not all women voters are like you, Hillary, if nominated needs the supporters of conservative voters in states like Missouri and Virginia; as for men, she needs their support as well.

And have we forgotten about the GOP? They won't stop with their toxic waste?

by American1989 2007-07-10 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: The uber politician is Hillary Clinton

You are correct.  Her appeal is not with the independents, republicans at all.

by icebergslim 2007-07-10 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I believe Obama has lost the opportunity, if there ever was one, to go after Hillary on her war vote.  The majority of Dems in the country don't care who voted for it, or whether they apologized.  Two polls, one of them an extensive WaPo/ABC News poll showed this very clearly.  In other words, get a clue Obama -- 78% of the country doesn't care that Hillary voted for it and you didn't.  That is history now.

What the country wants is OUT of Iraq, in the safest and most effective way possible.  Period.

Obama's campaign team don't seem to "get this" or else they just don't have anything else to attack Hillary with so they are using her war vote.  Obama's "Too little, too late" speech yesterday in Iowa is absurd, and if he keeps it up, his campaign will go the same route as John Edwards.
Edwards entered the race believing he could rise above Hillary due to his apology.  He apologized a hundred times in as many speeches for the first three months of his campaign - over and over and over again.  And his poll numbers stayed the same while Hillary's went up.  

by Regan 2007-07-10 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

Ha Ha

That's very wishful thinking. You know, every single quarter, someone makes this type of "Warning Clarion Call" on what the Obama Campaign should or should not do "OR ELSE!" and yet, they ignore the concern tr....er, the so called warnings and what happens? Still generating the largest crowds, still bringing in the most donors, and not only still competing in the funds, but out raises all the others. So, I don't believe the Obama Campaign needs to be schooled by non Obama supporters on how to run it's campaign. I just don't. That's my opinion. As you have expressed your opinion. See? We all have opinions.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-10 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

I just love the way Hillary can so easily run away from her track record on the war. She was on CNN a year or two ago and when prompted as to a withdrawal date she insisted there could be no withdrawal date etc. She did EVERYTHING she could to facilitate this war and the ongoing fiasco but now, because of the primaries, she is moving left and many, including on this thread, are buying it lock stock and barrell.

SAD!

But I swore I would never vote for her and I never will. She may not have convictions but I do.

by lafinur 2007-07-10 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama playing politics with Iraq

If anyone is blatantly playing politics and in a manner that is very offputting it is Mrs. Clinton.

Having said that I find it hard to truly hate her and having a woman as President would be great. However, I do not think I could vote for her as I swore I would not years ago when she started her "I am a war hawk" prancing around.

And that may be unfair as perhaps she sensed that she had to be tougher than everyone and more hawkish given the fact she is a woman and a democrat.

by lafinur 2007-07-10 01:13PM | 0 recs

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