Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

Only weeks into the general election campaign and already a notable tension is beginning to materialize within the Democratic Party. At question is Sen. Barack Obama's relationship with the progressive netroots, the online community that helped aid the Senator's rise to the presidential nomination, but has since seemingly played second fiddle in terms of courted constituencies.

Obama's decision to embrace a compromise on FISA legislation -- a virtual slap in the face to some progressive bloggers demanding no legal immunity for telecommunications companies -- was the catalyst of the recent chatter. Other concerns arose days prior when Obama cut an advertisement on behalf of a conservative southern Democrat whose primary challenger was favored by the liberal blogosphere.

But for some progressive activists, the issue is not simply one of policy, but a concern that Obama's willingness to snub their political wishes is far more endemic.

"You can see it with FISA. He really doesn't feel that much kinship with the priorities of the netroots and I don't think he has made any secret of that," said Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake. "I have to say he is very consistent. He has gone outside the netroots for his strategy... People who feel betrayed right now, I'm not sure why, because it is extremely consistent with what they should have expected."

Indeed, there is ample evidence to suggest that Obama's standing with the netroots has not always been peachy. Prior to his victory in Iowa, he consistently trailed former Sen. John Edwards (and, on occasion, Chris Dodd) in the Daily Kos primary poll. Even before then, his (now-chilled) relationship with Sen. Joseph Lieberman as well as an essay he posted (again on Daily Kos) concerning Supreme Court nominations earned him some plaudits but also skepticism among some prominent online voices.

As a former aide to Sen. Hillary Clinton told The Huffington Post, had the New York Democrat not had her own problems with the crowd, her campaign would have been a far more natural home for the progressive netroots.

"I don't understand why a group like MoveOn backs Obama," said the aide. "Hillary is the one who will build up the Democratic infrastructure. She's the one promising to fight the ideological battles. He's the one who is talking about moving beyond partisanship. And they love him for it."

and then This : Huffingtonpost confirms that Obama will try to remove immunity , but WILL SIGN THE COMPROMISE! . My question is, how can you  be for a compromise- a compromise ;that was on the immunity part and yet say you will SIGN it.

What if the final package is passed w/ the immunity? This is obfuscation at its best!"I'm against it before I vote for it"?

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bill.

It is a position that puts the Democratic Senate leader at odds with his own party's presumptive presidential nominee, Barack Obama, who also has pledged to fight for the removal of immunity but will vote yes on the final package.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/24 /reid-wont-support-fisa-co_n_109036.html

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Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

I thought you said that was an evil evil site?

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-25 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

and thats why it's surprising that they now join w/ move on and dailykos and firelake ( who these guys?).

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

Heck they even have MYDD on the graphic on the FRONTPAGE on huffopo.

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 01:50PM | 0 recs
(who these guys?)

I almost fell for it and provided a link.

by Mobar 2008-06-25 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: (who these guys?)

And now his minions show up right on schedule

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by venician 2008-06-25 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

This is Snark-- you can't give me TR's ( what 20-30 of them ) on benign statements that matter to me , any much than your power to stop me...;)

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

"Only weeks into the general election campaign and already a notable tension is beginning to materialize within the Democratic Party."

It's a tension that YOU deadandstiff are trying to create.

by venician 2008-06-25 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

careful alive you're abusing the TR button. Remember you want to keep your TU privileges.

by venician 2008-06-25 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

I take special pleasure on race baiter's

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

FISA is only the start of the Obama roll back on Progressive values.

You "netroots" Obama supporters did not support the genuinely progressive candidate, Hillary Clinton, who has the balls to fight for progressive values. and backed Obama while true progressives tried in vain to point out his center-right positions, advisors, etc., and his unwillingness to stand up for any articulated principles. It felt like shit to be verbally abused by you folks then, because our arguments went against your delusions about who Obama is, and it feels like sh#t to watch the screeching over Obama standing by his center right positions now. Progressive values are screwed now.

The only difference in the landscape now for Democrats like me is that I am completely alienated from most progressive groups I formerly worked with, any trust in those relationships has been totally destroyed, we have a nominee who is bringing in the corrupt Chicago voter fraud machine into dominance over the Democratic Party, and I doubt there will be any way to get rid of them in my lifetime, given their penchant for fixing elections (and nominating contests...). Fatal mistakes, and there is no going back. It's like a bad dream from which there is no awakening.

Obama hasn't "betrayed" you, you betrayed your selves, and your values, by indulging your fantasy about him, despite his clear signals about his center right politics. You indulged a silly revenge thing over Hillary Clinton's AUMF vote, and sold progressive values down thew river for your sick, unforgiving childishness. Now you can all scream, "Betrayal" while he goes right ahead and does what he has said he will do.

I'm not talking to anyone in particular here, just the generic progressive Obama supporter who failed, over and over, to face the facts about their fantasy candidate.

by 07rescue 2008-06-25 03:48PM | 0 recs
Yes she does, Universal healthcare was the big one

and that is why they went all out to destroy her.

This is exactly what so many of us predicted Obama would do.

But we are not smiling.

Is there any chance that Hillary could still get the nomination?

by architek 2008-06-26 03:57AM | 0 recs
Re: That's one issue

w/ all due respect - how do you compare obama's progressive record vs Hillary. when he has not had any  record of such so far.

yes maybe his views in the way he speaks... and that which is on the line , to see.

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-26 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

10 McCain points!  Another 999,990 and you get a free brand new Atari 9000- the console ALL the kids want.  Right?  Right?

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-25 01:45PM | 0 recs
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by spunkmeyer 2008-06-25 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

Weren't you the one that kept accusing Obama supporters of being sheep? Are you taking back this accusation?

Standard practice -- if Obama pleases his supporters, then that's obviously because his supporters are sheeplike. If Obama does something to make supporters voice displeasure, then they were "naive", he "fooled them", there's "buyer's remorse", whatever.

Republican trolls can never get it through their heads that you can support a candidate without necessarily thinking him the best thing since opposable thumbs. That you can support a candidate and still oppose his position on issues.

Sheep always have a sheeplike view of the world.

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-06-25 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

where did yo read that I was taking it back? ... wait for a few minutes you will see them come into my dairy... with troll images, you are republican, mctroll comments :)

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

He's saying that if you're not taking it back then your logic is obviously inconsistent from post to post; 1st claiming that all Obama supporters are mindless sheep who won't tolerate disagreement with his views, then saying that our disagreement with his views is somehow a problem.

The mistake Aris makes is that you obviously don't care if you're logically consistent.

by Mandoliniment 2008-06-25 02:12PM | 0 recs
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Obviously you're not taking it back. There goes my very slim hope that you would come to correct yourself when you were confronted with evidence to the contrary.

Somehow Obama's supporters are sheep that revolt against their leader -- the first rebellious sheep in the history of the world I guess. Same way that Obama himself is the first ever latte-sipping Black Panther, the first ever atheist Muslim fundamentalist, and the first ever ruthless Chicago-style naive idealist.

You've really made double-think a way of life, haven't you? Holding into your head two contradictory opinions and never even blinking about it.

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-06-25 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

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by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-25 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

 all petitions are childish stuff --.  and way over rated...

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

including move on's on FISA

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

So are you.

by venician 2008-06-25 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

The netroots is up in arms about the latest House version of the bill. There's no doubt about that. I guess I missed where Obama said he was going to vote for the bill if it contained the immunity clause. I know he said he thought it was a good compromise, except for the immunity clause. He's also stated he will work to remove that clause.

The Democratic party has been likened to a 'big tent'. There are lots of differing points of views on all of the issues. There are some people in the Democratic party who favor drilling in ANWR and in the Gulf. There are others that would rather see a large gas tax increase. There are Democrats who are pro-choice and others who are not. There are Democrats who are pacifists and others who are hawks. There will always be disputes in our party.

by MS01 Indie 2008-06-25 02:14PM | 0 recs
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"We'll see what he does this week," said Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos. "If he's part of the capitulation or refuses to lead, then it's salient for your story. As of now, I think it's still too early to write this piece."

Thanks Kos, I, along with a few others around here, have been saying that since Obama made his statement.

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

Honestly---markos's name is on the line. he sold his soul betting on all that is obama for netroots interests/ agenda. But if you think sitting by and waiting is a good idea- I disagree .

If we don't keep putting pressure on obama about this. He won't see any downside to his eventual capitulate.

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

I think the word is out, as they say, as on all of the sites referred to in the HuffPo graphic, there are at least hundreds of FISA diaries debating everyone's POV.  I wrote Obama a letter encouraging him to take advantage of this situation.  No one is playing wait and see.  

Waiting to criticize Obama for his future actions and being active now by letting him know how he should act are not mutually exclusive.  

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

ahh - was there a " wait till you write a letter to obama" clause --- that we missed on _to stop and wait?

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

I said stop criticizing him for actions he hasn't done yet.  I never said do not voice your opinion to Obama about how he should act.  Do you understand the difference?  Do you want me to use smaller words or maybe a similie or an illustration?

Ok I will, since you seem too daft to follow along.

Do this :  "Hey Obama, please take this opportunity to show the Country that you have their Civil Liberties in mind by filibustering this Bill, or voting No on this bill, etc."

Don't Do This: "So Obama is a flip flopper who is for a bill before he's against it, I cannot believed he caved in"

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

Ohh thats so cute... You wrote to him . I know he is reading it right now as we speak. sniff

Only action that gets thru  are dairies and comments on the blogs/netroots. You think huffington wrote multiple article about this because they had access to his email account and saw how cutely folks like you wrote your concern?

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

Do you get paid more, ore less, for thes cut and paste jobs?

by venician 2008-06-25 03:40PM | 0 recs
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Yeah so what the hell are you babbling about right now?  There is a difference between expressing your views and condmening Obama for actions he may or may not do and I explained it to you, I was giving an example of what one may do, write a letter, write a blog, great that's what you are supposed to do.  But don't condemn him for actions he may or may not do, that is my point, and I made it so you little brain could digest it, at the same time I made you feel stupid, and now you have a shit sandwich so shut up and eat it.

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

what blind love.. so moving.

you think he was blindsided by this move in congress or knew about weeks ago?  

and you call it condemning , heh.  

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-25 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Net roots revolt over FISA and Obama

Read my comments on FISA, I am severely dissapointed but I also can see that you cannot separate this divisive issue from the GE and the War on Terror (which is realy what the GOP will use as ammo agasint Obama re National Security).  As you can tell I am not friendly with you because your diary misrepresenting Obama's views on Habeus Corpus,  that was not cool and I hold skepticism over all of your diaries and posts for that because mainly it was intentional.

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 07:00PM | 0 recs
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Markos name is on the line? Now you're going to get your red panties all in a bunch, because Markos name is on the line? Since when do you care about kos?

by venician 2008-06-25 03:49PM | 0 recs
favourite line in the huffpo piece:

"I don't understand why a group like MoveOn backs Obama," said the aide. "Hillary is the one who will build up the Democratic infrastructure. She's the one promising to fight the ideological battles. He's the one who is talking about moving beyond partisanship. And they love him for it."

i often wondered that myself.  odd - v. odd.

by canadian gal 2008-06-25 05:11PM | 0 recs

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