Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressive journalist!

Allow me to 1st state that Keith's show was a mandatory watch in my house , till he went really south on his rants. Kinda got boring afterwhile... but I think he is an important voice. Not sure who's voice he is though...

Having said that :

A war of words has broken out between two of the progressive blogosphere's most beloved figures: MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and blogger/author Glenn Greenwald of Salon.com.

In a post yesterday, Greenwald charged that Olbermann's "blind devotion to Barack Obama" had let him to excuse and defend Obama's support of the FISA 'compromise' legislation. Greenwald noted that Olbermann has previously condemned the idea of giving immunity to telecom companies that spied on Americans, calling it a "shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism" and comparing it to the actions of the Third Reich.

"But," Greenwald wrote, "[n]ow that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing -- and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists -- everything has changed."

Glenn Greenwald writes:

On January 31 of this year, Keith Olbermann donned his most serious face and most indignant voice tone to rail against George Bush for supporting telecom immunity and revisions to FISA. In a 10-minute "Special Comment," the MSNBC star condemned Bush for wanting to "retroactively immunize corporate criminals," and said that telecom immnity is "an ex post facto law, which would clear the phone giants from responsibility for their systematic, aggressive and blatant collaboration with [Bush's] illegal and unjustified spying on Americans under this flimsy guise of looking for any terrorists who are stupid enough to make a collect call or send a mass email."

Olbermann added that telecom amnesty was a "shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism -- the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government." Noting the numerous telecom lobbyists connected to the Bush administration, Olbermann said:
This is no longer just a farce in which protecting telecoms is dressed up as protecting us from terrorists conference cells. Now it begins to look like the bureaucrats of the Third Reich, trying to protect the Krupp family, the industrial giants, re-writing the laws of Germany for their benefit.

Last night, Olbermann invited Newsweek's Jonathan Alter onto his show to discuss Obama's support for the FISA and telecom amnesty bill (video of the segment is here ). There wasn't a syllable uttered about "immunizing corporate criminals" or "textbook examples of Fascism" or the Third Reich. There wasn't a word of rational criticism of the bill either. Instead, the two media stars jointly hailed Obama's bravery and strength -- as evidenced by his "standing up to the left" in order to support this important centrist FISA compromise . . . .

Leave aside the fact that Jonathan Alter, desperate to defend Obama, doesn't have the slightest idea of what he's talking about. How can a bill which increases the President's authority to eavesdrop with no warrants over the current FISA law possibly be described as a restoration of the Fourth Amendment? That would be like describing a new law banning anti-war speech as a restoration of the First Amendment.

As Jim Dempsey and Marty Lederman both note, not even the nation's most foremost FISA experts really know the full extent to which this bill allows new warrantless spying. Obviously, Jonathan Alter has no idea what he's saying, but nonetheless decrees that this bill -- now that Obama supports it -- restores the Fourth Amendment. Those are the Orwellian lengths to which people like Olbermann and Alter are apparently willing to go in order to offer their blind devotion to Barack Obama.

Side Note: I welcome my repubocrat friends into my dairy. Don't dissapoint in HR/TR'ing my comments while bumchuming eachother w/ mojo's. Let's see if I call it right... :D

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Comments

65 Comments

The primary is over

Get over it.

by Brandon 2008-06-27 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: The primary is over

really and we have moon roo. does that make you batty... because this is nothing to do w/ primaries...

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 08:31PM | 0 recs
This is leftover bitterness from Hillary's loss.

The whole anti-Keith thing.  You even made that clear in your first paragraph.  The rest of the diary is just an immature excuse to vent.

I disagree with Olbermann about FISA.  But at least I understand his position, having read his recced personally written diary on DailyKos where he explained it in terms of John Dean's interpretation.

If it weren't for Keith Olbermann, the FISA debacle would have got NO CABLE TV COVERAGE AT ALL.

by Dumbo 2008-06-28 03:37AM | 0 recs
Re: The primary is over

I don't think Greenwald knows what he's talking about.  The reason it's a compromise bill is because it makes warrentless wiretapping expressly illegal.  The thing that it does NOT do, is provide a means to punish phone companies that did it in the past.

But it's not an expansion of Presidential powers, it's a reining in of them.  It just doesn't go far enough.

At any rate I get bored with people trying to make careers out of attacking easy targets on the left.  And it is an easy target.  Does calling Keith Olbermann a hypocrite further anyone's understanding of anything at all?  No.

by MeganLocke 2008-06-27 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The primary is over

you need to read the bill, seriously... let's just say you have no clue what the other provisions are still kept in it.

and no, i'm not going to do your homework for you. :)

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 11:23PM | 0 recs
Greenwald is right about the bill,

but he's wrong about Olbermann.  It's rather petty of him to interpret Olbermann's position in terms of blind Obama support.  

As I said above, but for Keith Olbermann, there would have been no TV coverage of the FISA Telcom immunity scandal at all.

by Dumbo 2008-06-28 03:39AM | 0 recs
Linkage btwn Olbermann and Obama....

...is just plain f**ked!

It does a disservice to the entire Obama campaign.

The fact that Olbermann has acted so unprofessionally this cycle has been noted by many, with the Greenwald piece quickly elevating that guy to near the top of my list of favorites (for that and a variety of other topics on which Greenwald's been outspoken this year).

Katie Couric and others have noted how totally unprofessionally Olbermann's been behaving of late, and I totally agree.

Just because he went deep in the tank, to the point of no return, for Obama and against HRC just provides great clarity as to how low some of the so-called liberal media in this country have stooped--to the point where I would call this year the year of "the Foxification of the left."

Shitty reporting and commentary is what it is--no matter where it's coming from--and it happens to have found a home over at MSNBC, with Olbermann and others.

Doing anything for ratings (or votes) is never an excuse for misinforming the public and/or acting unprofessionally when it's one's responsibility to maintain some standard of ethics when communicating with the public.

Olbermann's harmed his own brand in the last few months. Just like Kos and many others. Credibility is king when it comes to reporting and commenting upon the news, IMHO. The same rules that apply to folks like Hannity and Bill O apply to the other side of the coin.

And, my now-strong support for Obama aside, I'd be a total hypocrite if I didn't speak out about this now, too.

People around here without any journalism background should understand that--like any profession--certain behavior, rules and guidelines (tacit and written) apply.

Don't cheapen the Obama campaign's integrity (and the entire Democratic Party brand) by conflating support for that with noted outrage concerning what, essentially, is just another media clone whoring around for ratings, recognition and cash.

That is all Olbermann is now; and it's his own damn fault.

by bobswern 2008-06-28 05:21AM | 0 recs
lol

apparently you wanted to rant, because there's little to no substance in that comment

If you have a probelm with KO why don't you actually make a case instead of a tantrum?

by drache 2008-06-28 07:03PM | 0 recs
Folks far more erudite than me...

...have made a very strong case as far as Olbermann's behavior's concerned this cycle. I mention Couric and Greenwald in my comments.

I could get into things like his rants the evening the RFK matter broke, but why waste time...'specially when it's futile to "make a case" (that's already been made) with someone who calls my references a "rant!"

I gave you my OPINION. Olbermann's devolved into being little more than a whore; and not a particularly good one, at that. And, also IMHO, he's at the forefront of my comments as far as being one of the top folks responsible for the Foxification of the liberal media and blogging community this cycle.

by bobswern 2008-06-29 12:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Folks far more erudite than me...

Ms. Couric as I understand it is still more then a little mad about KO's comments about and to her on her 'nomination' as worst person of the world.

Thus I find anything she says should be taken with a grain of salt.

As for Greenwald, I've seen his agruements and frankly I'm not impressed; Greenwald almost seems to be picking a fight.

What that basically comes down to is a difference of opnion and Greenwald seemingly not being able to tolerate dissent.

And yes I called it a rant, becuase that's what it was; you had little to no facts, some vague accusations and a lot of implication.

That is a rant.

I'm sorry you don't like that but then you should have written somethign different I guess.

And no it wasn't just your opnion, you gave an opnion you were trying to disguise as being part of a consenus. That's why I called you on it.

You are welcome to think KO has become little more then a whore (though I find it rather offensive that you would phrase it such).

You are welcome to think KO's comments and special comments were out of line, but just as you are allowed your opnion so too is he.

ps When the RFK thing broke, at the very least what was said was incredibly ill though out and was a bad choice of words. I think even you can accept that, and frankly that's  all that KO pointed out. The intention may have (and probably even was) not malicious but that doesn't excuse a bone headed statement.

by drache 2008-06-29 06:39AM | 0 recs
If you don't like greenwald

you are not a 'progressive' democrat.

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 08:28PM | 0 recs
Sigh...

You're supposed to be "aliveandkickin" but

by DemAC 2008-06-27 09:39PM | 0 recs
No one said I didnt liek Greenwald

Greenwald has nothing to do with this diary.  Just another sad dead ender looking to take any shot at Obama their bitter mind can think of.

by Brandon 2008-06-27 08:31PM | 0 recs
Trolling for dollars

Surprise, surprise. ANOTHER diary on the FISA bill. You're beginning to be a one trick pony.

by venician 2008-06-27 08:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Trolling for dollars

stick to race baiting, repubocrat! andale!

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 09:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Trolling for dollars

Beginning?

I think he is working on his Master Degree.....

by WashStateBlue 2008-06-27 10:43PM | 0 recs
Off topic...

...are you rankles?

by sricki 2008-06-27 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Off topic...

no just your worst nightmare , Muhahahahaha

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 09:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Off topic...

Alive,

You're acting as if this is your GBCW diary.  Is this what's going on here?

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-06-27 09:40PM | 0 recs
Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

Hey look, it's our resident troll McCain Blogger!

by OVAH 2008-06-27 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann,

ZOMG, two of our spokesmen are fighting!

Greenwald had a point, sure.  Now we're turning it into something far bigger than it needs to be.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-27 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann,

I think the purpose of this diary is fairly obvious, though not as obvious as usual.  The trolls......they are evolving.

by Brandon 2008-06-27 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann,

Now we're turning it into something far bigger than it needs to be.

I do believe those 2 are doing a fine job of that.  whats an occasional" facist" between friends, yeah?

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 08:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by

The only way that this can be settled is in a steel cage!

Seriously, it seems like a tempest in a teapot.  Outspoken personalities are occasionally inconsistent, that's no surprise.

by rfahey22 2008-06-27 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by

Outspoken personalities are occasionally inconsistent, that's no surprise

just make sure that "calling out" of the occasion works in our favor , eh? :)

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by

To be honest with you, I don't really care that much when pundits get into fights with one another, especially when I haven't watched/read all of the statements at issue.  For what it's worth, Olbermann replied to Greenwald here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6 /26/222646/124/440/542648

I have no idea which one is right, and I'm not motivated enough to find out.

by rfahey22 2008-06-27 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by

keith thinks that thru some magical interpretation they are folding on civil courts( not even willing to stand up for that) , that they will go criminal courts instead.

I beleive the reaction on Kos was... pass us some of what your smoking Keith...:)

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by

haha you just mojo'd yourself.

I know I've said this before, but it's your life.

by MeganLocke 2008-06-27 10:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by

I have no idea which one is right, and I'm not motivated enough to find out.

My thoughts exactly.  Wanna know why I'm not motivated enough to find out?  Because Keith Olbermann's opinion on the FISA law is totally irrelevant.

I mean, can you imagine anyone Keith Olbermann as a source on anything other than sports?  This isn't exactly Dawkins vs. Gould.

by MeganLocke 2008-06-27 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by

Not really.  He's just background noise.  It's probably just an ego-stroking exercise between the two of them.

by rfahey22 2008-06-27 10:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progr

Resident troll.

by HardWorkingWhitePerson 2008-06-27 08:42PM | 0 recs
Three diaries in the last

12 hours? Naughty rankles.

by sricki 2008-06-27 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Three diaries in the last

you may want to check my handle instead...and read the days and timestamp , slowly before you develop a daiper rash..

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Three diaries in the last

Do you work?

How do you have the time to troll this blog all day everyday?

2 and 3 diaries a day.

Stop stalking sricki you tool bag.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-27 08:54PM | 0 recs
Exactly,

three diaries, just as I said. And I still think you're rankles. You betrayed yourself in your last diary. Your behavior was just so... ranklish.

by sricki 2008-06-27 08:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Exactly,

And notice how your imposter has dissapeared.

by venician 2008-06-27 08:59PM | 0 recs
So far... n/t

by sricki 2008-06-27 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: So far... n/t

You have an imposter?  What an honor!

by rfahey22 2008-06-27 09:14PM | 0 recs
Meh, it's a crappy one.

"Srickki" just spammed the crap out of a diary last night. It's not even a clever troll. That's what hurts the most. ;)

by sricki 2008-06-27 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Three diaries in the last

Naw, he's got a fulltime alterego. 'workitfool' signs on a few minutes ago and then goes about recing every post by aliveandkicking going back several days.

Now he's being more selective about it.  He's only doing it when he's in the midst of an argument so he can have someone say "ah, good point!"

by MeganLocke 2008-06-27 10:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Three diaries in the last

He's even thanking himself for uprating himself.
It's hysterical!

by skohayes 2008-06-28 03:22AM | 0 recs
Keith was for Hillary

Before her failure of a campaign went negative, cant blame him for your girls failings.  Get over it.

by Brandon 2008-06-27 08:56PM | 0 recs
Kindly step off.

This troll isn't a Clinton supporter. Leave Hillary out of it.

by sricki 2008-06-27 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Kindly step off.

I second this comment.

Hillary supporters don't act like this...

deadenders act like this.

Big difference.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-27 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Kindly step off.

its like the 3 blind mice act here... : ) . we are holiding a repubocrat convention... in my dairies :P

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

Cooler this evening with just a hint of night-blooming jasmine on the breeze. Heaven!

by xdem 2008-06-27 09:36PM | 0 recs
Olbermann and Greenwald

Two of the most overrated figures on the left today.

by JJE 2008-06-27 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

leave Hillary and obama out of this this diary is about ogerman and Greenwald. looks liek suddenly democrats are celebrating fisa in its current form.. LOL and are we supposed to be progressive.. no wonder bush is crapping all over us with troops still in iraq and $142 a barrel of oil!!!what fundamentals in oil have changed over past four years that we have 500% inflation in oil prices.. its not only bush his cronies responsibility, but also responsibility of democratic congress and more importantly of all democrats who are trumpheting passage of these laws. I am sure these democrats  owe an explaination to rest of america and probably their own families as to why they are supporting what they are supporting..

by gladiatorsback 2008-06-27 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

engels?

ENGELS!

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-27 10:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

by spunkmeyer 2008-06-27 10:15PM | 0 recs
KO's side

Olbermann has an account on dkos.  He talks about this issue in this diary.

by semiquaver 2008-06-27 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets ..

I loathe KO as much as I loathe Rush Limbaugh

by optimisticBoy 2008-06-27 10:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets ..

voila

by MeganLocke 2008-06-28 12:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets ..

May I ask why you have troll rated me?

You seem to have a history of troll rating people for reasons that can you only be known to you.

I am alerting the moderators here.

by optimisticBoy 2008-06-28 10:43PM | 0 recs
bumchuming

Your homofascination is . . . homofabulous.

by Koan 2008-06-27 11:06PM | 0 recs
Re: bumchuming

bumchum is an ole english term meaning being pally.   but one would not expect you to know that. stick with being your 'homofascination termology..

although duely noted your very anti gay sentiment and term...

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-27 11:14PM | 0 recs
Re: bumchuming

you have some fans here.

by workitfool 2008-06-27 11:58PM | 0 recs
Re: bumchuming

This is sad.

by MeganLocke 2008-06-28 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

:)

by workitfool 2008-06-28 12:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann,

and i do love them

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-28 12:01AM | 0 recs
The only problem is THAT JOURNALIST IS LYING

There wasn't a syllable uttered about "immunizing corporate criminals"

That is a flat-out lie.

Keith Olbermann has repeatedly expressed his disagreement over the compromise that the majority of Democrats went with. (Everyone seems to single out Obama).

That being said, he has also pointed out that (at least) the FISA compromise does not rule out criminal prosecution. I KNOW because I watch his show every single night. He may not be pounding on his desk over and over like many on the blogosphere, but to say he agrees with it is inherently false.

And here's Keith's diary

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6 /26/222646/124/440/542648

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-28 01:50AM | 0 recs
Olbermann was an important voice...

back when he was criticizing George Bush. Then he got his anti-Clinton obsession and talked of nothing else for what seemed like an eternity. Then he fell in love with Obama and love, as any songwriter will tell you, is blind.

Obama flip-flopped on campaign finance, supported the FISA bill, started wearing flag lapel pins, started ending speeches with "may God continue to bless the United States of America", and disowned Jeremiah Wright soon after saying that such an act would be akin to disowning his own grandmother.

All this passed by Keith with nary a whimper out of him. Olbermann needs to look back at all the vitriol he directed at Hillary and consider whether the Obama of now is any different from the Clinton of then.

by Ed J 2008-06-28 05:49AM | 0 recs
Keith is a hack

Plain. And. Simple.  Bitter?  Maybe.  Dead ender?  Probably.  
That doesn't change the fact the Olbermann has lost all of his credibility- and it's about time that the rest of the "Progressive" media is picking up on this.  He has become so blatantly one-sided and narcissistic - he seems almost, well, almost BUSH-ESQUE!!

Funny how he became what he railed against the most.....

by easyE 2008-06-28 06:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

For me personally it isn't about the primary being over. I was a huge fan of Keith Olbermann; I watched him every night & got others to tune in as well. However with the way he conducted himself during the primary I can't even bear to look at him on TV or watch his show anymore. I will never look at him the same again. That is just me though.

by jrsygrl 2008-06-28 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann, gets called out by progressiv

Not just you.  I feel the same way.  

by colebiancardi 2008-06-29 05:14AM | 0 recs

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