Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Ya know, I hear all this talk about wanting to bring our party together once our nominee is chosen at the convention in Denver, but when this latest in a long string of incidences of hate-speech crop up, all we get are more of the same half-assed statements ("deeply disappointed") from camp Obama distancing himself from... (fill in the blank).

Pfleager Video

(Credit goes to NoQuarter for first posting this - it's all over the net now and the networks are starting to air it as well)

Howard Wolfson spoke to this issue in a statement yesterday, in which he noted that Obama has yet to condemn this guy...

"Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics.  We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."

It's not like this is just a casual acquaintance of Obama's either.   From Jake Tapper...

Father Michael Pfleger, a fiery liberal social activist and a white reverend at an African-American church -- St. Sabina's Catholic Church on the South Side of Chicago -- is a longtime friend and associate of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, having known him since the presidential hopeful was a community activist. In September, the Obama campaign brought Pfleger to Iowa to host one of several interfaith forums for the campaign.

Their relationship spans decades. Pfleger has given money to Obama's campaigns and Obama as a state legislator directed at least $225,000 towards social programs at St. Sabina's, according to the Chicago Tribune.

He then goes on to describe how the current pastor of Obama's church praised Pfleger after he delivered that sexist diatribe from his pulpit

The tape, which just shows this one controversial part of Pfleger's sermon, then cuts to Moss thanking Pfleger: "We thank God for the message, we thank God for the messenger, we thank God for Father Michael Pfleger," Moss says.

Tapper then goes on to note that since this video's seen the light of day outside his church, Sen. Obama's campaign has scrubbed their web-site of any mention of Pfleger.  Do you think he's worried this longstanding association with this hate-monger will in any way, shape, or form damage his chances of securing the nomination?  Especially among women voters?

You want unity guys - start by issuing a no-holds-barred condemnation specifically aimed at what this hate-monger said.  Tell the world in no uncertain terms that you will not be associated with these hateful and sexist rants - attacks that are directed against a fine and decent woman and public servant.  Stand up to the haters - tell them that attacks on your colleagues in the US Senate are an attack on you and you condemn them without hesitation or equivocation.  

Make it clear that you want nothing to do with the speaker or those who would cheer him on.

One thing seems clear though, Obama's apparent tolerance for these sexist and hateful attacks on Hillary - or women in general is definitely hurting him among that demographic of the electorate.  You'd think - since he doesn't seem to care about how a woman is attacked by his friends and associates - that winning us over at the polls would at least cause him to condemn Pfleger's hate-speech.

White women cold toward Obama

Barack Obama's favorability ratings among white women has declined significantly in recent months, particularly among Democrats and independents, presenting an immediate obstacle for the likely Democratic nominee as he moves to shore up his party's base.

According to a new report by The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, half of white women now have a negative perception of Obama.

Forty-nine percent of white women view Obama unfavorably, while only 43 percent hold a favorable opinion. In February, 36 percent of these women viewed Obama unfavorably, while 56 percent had a positive perception of the likely Democratic nominee.

snip

White women as a whole now prefer John McCain over Obama, by 49 percent to 41 percent. Last month, Obama was ahead of McCain among white women, 49 percent to 46 percent.

snip

"There is no question that white women were -- especially older women, not young women -- Hillary's Clinton's base in the primary, and there is going to be some repair work that has to be done," Democratic analyst Anna Greenberg said.

So he's clearly got his work cut out for him in winning us over should he prevail in Denver.  His relative silence in the face of the hateful and sexist tone of this campaign doesn't just affect his popularity with white women.  It seems his strong-arm tactics in Texas may hurt his chances with one of his own supporters.

From the Houston Chronicle...

Texas Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman Roy LaVerne Brooks is a superdelegate who endorsed Barack Obama in March.

The longtime party activist from Fort Worth is also running to unseat current state party Chairman Boyd Richie.

Imagine her surprise Tuesday when she received a disturbing phone call from a national Obama operative who is part of a group that parachuted into Texas to work on this weekend's state party convention.

Roy says the operative, Rudy Shank, told her that unless she drops her candidacy to unseat Richie at the state convention she will not be going to the national convention as a superdelegate.

snip

There are ironies in the request by an Obama operative that Brooks back off the chairman's race.

One is that she is an African-American. The state Democratic chairman has traditionally been a white male, with an occasional white female slipping in.

snip

All of this begs the question: Why would the national Obama campaign involve itself in a state race?

snip

Thursday night, two nights after Shank made his call to Brooks, Richie announced his endorsement of Obama.

snip

Brooks said she told Shank she would stay in the race.

"I made the comment that I may need to jump over to Hillary's side because I'm not going to be treated like a dish rag," she said.

I asked if she was serious.

"I'm very serious if they keep trying to get me out of the race and I learn that Obama is behind it," she said.

Frankly, I hope she tells them to take a hike and goes with the candidate who doesn't try to shove women aside in a political contest.

I've always said I'll support whoever the nominee is and that probably still stands.  But I'm pretty pissed at seeing yet another example of hateful speech that gets only a lukewarm response from the guy who wants to lead our party in the general election.

Women are pissed off - it's time BO either condemned this hate-speech or stopped all this talk of unity.

He needs to condemn this shite whenever and wherever it crops up in our discourse.

Oh and one other thing... his top advisor might want to cut his ties with Plfeger's church...

David Axelrod, Obama's top advisor, is on the Raising the Roof for St. Sabina Committee.
He is third in line from the top after the Mayor and Pfleger. This is a committee to raise 1.5 million for repairs to the church.

Raising the Roof for St. Sabina Committee (information)

Chairs:
The Honorable
Richard M. Daley
Rev. Michael L. Pfleger
David Axelrod
Carole Brown
Ald. Ed Burke
Peter Bynoe

Obama's got a lot of work to do if he wants to win over Hillary's supporters and the sooner he gets serious about getting that work done, the better.  

In the meantime, we're going to fight like hell to make sure she gets the nomination because if he's in this much trouble with a huge chunk of Democrats (and shows little or no interest in standing up to hate-speech directed at one of us), then what's that say about his chances with the voters overall if he makes it in to the general election?

He needs us so he'd better start acting like he wants our support.  There's an old saying in politics - people like to be asked for their vote.

Well Obama's talking a good game but so far all I've seen are empty words.  It's time for action when it comes to hate-speech like this.  He needs to condemn Pfleger and cut all ties with him.

And he needs to do it now.

Tags: 2008 elections, Hillary Clinton, obama, Pfleger, president, Women (all tags)

Comments

347 Comments

Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

He's a hate-monger and Obama needs to cut him loose.

by alegre 2008-05-30 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

ZOMG, somebody said something mean about Hillary!

Obama must immediately condemn him, his wife, his kids, his friends, and his milkman!

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Yeah - just as I thought.

All talk and NO ACTION.

The guy's a friend of his going back 20 years give or take.  He endorsed your guy.

We're looking for more than "deeply distressed".  

You guys really don't get it - do you?

by alegre 2008-05-30 03:58PM | 0 recs
Cut this out

I love the name but you are only helping John McCain, chill for a bit.

by Student Guy 2008-05-30 04:01PM | 0 recs
How does it help McCain

to pick on a blogger who is helping McCain by attacking the Democratic nominee?  

This person's MO is to hang any kind of ridiculous smear on Obama and does it in perfect Clintonista style by just providing enough plausible deniability to get away with it and drive everyone nuts.  Pure sleaze.

Saying 'Obama needs to cut him loose," is a plain effort to claim that Obama is somehow responsible for this character's words.  Obama who knew people would associate him with this so he stepped up immediately and condemned these words.

Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.  Pretending he isn't as an excuse to attack him is cheap bullshit.  Lives depend on the Democrats taking back the White House and these people intentionally undermining the Democratic nominee because they're angry their candidate didn't win are freakin disgusting.  They don't represent Hillary's supporters, the vast majority of whom are good Democrats and want Obama to win the White House.  

by Sun Dog 2008-05-30 04:50PM | 0 recs
People will associate this with Obama

For the reasons noted in the diary

1. Their long relationship of 20 years

  1. His presence on Obama's website and Obama's religious committee
  2. The members of the church that Obama was a member of for 20 years cheering and jeering on at the comments.

Obama needs to do more than cut him loose. He needs to cut loose his whole @&&! Church of Hate, or his campaign will devolve into a 1960's race riot... which created a 40-year Nixonian backlash we are just seeing the end of now... and the black man can't win in that atmosphere.

by Beet 2008-05-30 06:04PM | 0 recs
Oh come on

People here will rec a comment by someone who calls Obama's church a "@&&! Church of Hate" and states that the campaign of the presumptive Democratic nominee will devolve into a race riot and something about 'the black man' not being able to win in 'that' atmosphere.

That got rec'd.  Twice.  

People use the word 'community' around here a lot but if there are more people rec'ing a comment like that than tr'ing it, I wonder, a community of what?  

by Sun Dog 2008-05-30 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh come on

well then there is always you to TR rate them , right?  that seems your agenda no diff than some on the other side...

pesonally we could w/o both kinds..

by aliveandkickin 2008-05-31 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh come on

That's not a troll?  Someone who calls Obama's church, a Church of Hate and claims that we're going to have race riots as the nominee because Obama is black?  Or something.  This was insane garbage with weird racial undertones.  It was the definition of troll garbage so why don't you save your 'fair and balanced' baloney?

by Sun Dog 2008-05-31 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh come on

No, because they don't recognize the irony of using racial-baiting comments in response to a diary about rejecting hate....

by fbihop 2008-05-31 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh come on

Well it looks like Obama has left his church. This was the correct move, IMO, even though some people will see it as political pandering. In any case, this, as well as his reiteration that the comments "totally conflict with my long-held views" closes the issue for me.

by Beet 2008-05-31 11:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Cut this out

Hey,  how do you add the embed regarding John McCain?  I'm having problems doing it.

by mishiem 2008-05-31 04:45AM | 0 recs
let me see

Remind me to get back to you, Dkos is acting funny for me and I don't know the html do do it manually...

by Student Guy 2008-06-02 02:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

A friend is more important than a gaffe.

If Obama is any sort of decent human being the last thing he should be doing is listening to a hyperactive activist such as yourself and throw said friend under the bus.

I've got friends who've said some boneheaded and at times idiotic things.  I generally forgive them because the good in them outweighs the bad.

Forgiveness is something Christ would have done.  Renouncing and rejecting isn't.  Not over a stupid remark.

Please be more adult than this.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

i fear you're right, he's more interested in his hate speech pastors than in party unity. Seems he agrees, and maybe his supporters do too?  And it's up to her to bring party unity? Very amusing, not.  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:03PM | 0 recs
Wow...

Calling out entitlement is now hate speech.

by kraant 2008-05-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow...

hate speech is still defined the same way. You can excuse it by saying this person uniquely deserves hate speech, but, it's still hate speech.  You think she deserves it?  I think so does Barack. That does not bode well for unification.  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:11PM | 0 recs
Err...

Reality check... Hate speech actually means something more than just someone saying something mean about my favorite politician.

by kraant 2008-05-30 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Err...

she feels entitled because she's white?  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:24PM | 0 recs
Given her...

"working, hard-working americans, white americans" comment I'd say that's established beyond a shadow of a doubt.

by kraant 2008-05-30 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

The poster is a troll, and so is the diarist. Ignore them both. You're only feeding them attention, which is what they thrive on. Ignore 'em, and they'll go away.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:29PM | 0 recs
But... But...

Their replies are so very funny...

by kraant 2008-05-30 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: But... But...

Now, kraant, it's natural to want to play with the trolls.  They're fuzzy and raspy and string together hilarious phrases in place of rational speech.  Like sexist boyz.  

But when you play with one troll, kraant, others come along and expect you to play with them, too.  And pretty soon the place is lousy with trolls.

by deminva 2008-05-30 04:40PM | 0 recs
Here's where we part ways, ragekage.

Alegre IS NOT a troll. I will defend her against your charge everytime. There are plenty of actual trolls running around here with the sole purpose of disrupting anything and everything Clinton in the most juvenile manner possible yet you turn your ire against alegre because she has the audacity to speak against your candidate. Alegre represents millions of women, and men, who feel about Obama exactly as she does, whether you or any other Obama supporter want to believe it or not. And if Obama isn't paying attention then he has no one to blame but himself when his aspirations begin to crumble.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-30 07:32PM | 0 recs
I see I was wrong, Ragecage

I thought you didn't go in for personal attacks - yet here you are trashing the diarist.  If you can truly listen to Pfleger's diatribe and say that Senator Clinton deserves it - then you promote hate speech - and you and I no longer have anything to say to one another.

And by the way - I know Pfleger well.  Can you say the same?  I lived 10 years in Chicago.  He's a fixture on the nightly news.  The man's considered a loon.  He engages in violence and hate speech any time anyone threatens his little kingdom.  He teaches in the Catholic school system.  I have connections there (teachers I know and have worked with).  Pfleger's notorious.  I could cite you chapter and verse regarding his temper, and tendency towards self promotion.

But you seem to feel what he's had to say is all fine and good because he said it supposedly in support of Senator Obama.  Let me tell you - the only person Pfleger supports is Pfleger.  What he said was execrable.  Call the diarist as many names as you like - it still doesn't make what that man said right.

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-05-30 09:03PM | 0 recs
Ragecage writes diaries with

baby pictures and gets all cute and cuddly...awwww.

But she obviously hasn't listened to Alegre and heard her story about why she so strongly supports HRC.

Turst me, Alegre has more integrity in her little finger than Ragekage every will.

To call Alegre a troll is worthy of a hide.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-30 09:17PM | 0 recs
Changed your tune since yesterday...

Yesterday Ragecage wrote a diary with baby pictures and got all cute and cuddly and calling for Kumbaya.

But you obviously haven't listened to Alegre and heard her story about why she so strongly supports HRC.

Turst me, Alegre has more integrity in her little finger than Ragekage ever will.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-05-30 09:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

what an ugly thought.  I'm sorry for you, well, I'm not, I reserve my sympathy for non haters.  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:30PM | 0 recs
Well yes...

Hillary actually did say, "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans" and it is a very ugly thought.

by kraant 2008-05-30 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Well yes...

Why? She awkwardly paraphrased an AP article that noted her growing popularity among blue-collar white voters. You choose to impute ugliness into what she was thinking, but she was simply trying to clarify the nature of her support among blue-collar workers, because AA blue-collar workers, like all AA voters, are solidly behind Obama, but the rest of working-class America isn't. She apologized for her ill-phrased remark afterwards. Hillary is actually much better with this apology business than Obama, who lets his close associates cr*p all over Hillary and then afterwards never feels the need to apologize to her, but always mouths some BS about how so-and-so doesn't represent then tenor of his campaign. Yeah, right. Good luck selling that line to voters in the GE.

It's clear that Democratic voters are as easily manipulated by fears of appearing un-PC as Republican voters are manipulated by fears of terrorism. It doesn't matter in the least whether there's any there there.

by Inky 2008-05-31 06:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

Like your racist chums at No Quarter who compare Obama to Hitler and Stalin - oops, isn't that hate speech?

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

you think all the posts here are high minded? You don't hear the seeming racism against black leaders who prefer Hillary at Daily Kos?   No Quarter isn't perfect, but they are doing some real investigative reporting and I'd far rather hear it first from them than how it'll be sold by the swift boat team working for McCain.  We need to vet ourselves, since Barack has seen fit to wait until it's made public before he lets us in on what will be used against him.  Most people think we're judged by the company we keep, and you are free to judge me by that standard, it's not hard to see that Barack, who has had long-time associates who are racist and sexist will be judged by many using your logic, but with more credibility.  I'm a blogger, I don't know any of my fellow bloggers personally, and you don't know me, but that logic that works for you will work against Barack.  

by anna shane 2008-05-31 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

Not all post here are high minded, but the offensive ones get TR'd or HR'd and condemned, and if repeated the posters are banned - like linfar and TexasDarlin.  At Kos, who cares?  Virtually every post at NQ would be TR'd if posted here.  Please tell us about the real investigative reporting they are doing - surely you don't mean the hunt for the "kill whitey" tape?  

I do entirely judge you by the company you keep at NQ, which exists only to promote these extreme views.  So it is only these people's views that draws you to them, no mitigating circumstances at all.  I am dismayed that anyone claiming to be a Democrat could read and post there.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-31 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

but not by the company he keeps?  That's why we need a no quarter, there are people like you who won't vote for him over the company he keeps and we'd best know about that before he's our nominee.  Also, I've cross-posted there, they don't keep me away even though I always say I'll vote for the nominee, whoever she or he may turn out to be. i agree with Barack, I don't judge him by the company he keeps, but there are probably more like you.  

by anna shane 2008-05-31 11:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

Sorry - I call BS on your I'm only there doing research excuse.  You're a front page poster.  

by interestedbystander 2008-05-31 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

well, i'd like to be a front pager, but I'm a guest.  Even front pagers here don't mean they agree with everything. But Barack was a front pager at church and with his racist friends. Why apply to me what you forgive him for?  

by anna shane 2008-05-31 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

Because NQ is 100% bile.  Obama's church - how many hours of video did it take them to turn up an offensive comment?  Thousands.  

by interestedbystander 2008-05-31 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

not many, and the latest is within the last week. You can see the parishioners cheering the hate speech, quite a racist and sexist show.  Real jeer and sneer.  Quite recent. But you're saying that it's a percentage thing? I'll give you a better one, I post what I think and what I think doesn't agree with any hate speech, any sexist speech.  Against Hillary or Michelle or Brittany Speers.  

by anna shane 2008-05-31 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Given her...

Anna- carry on at NQ just as you are.  It's getting such notoriety, I'll just enjoy the show.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-31 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow...

"Hate speech is still defined the same way . . ."

same as what?

could you give us your definition?

by vadasz 2008-05-30 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Please construct actual adult arguments.

Please actually consider the words the other person wrote before you respond.

Please write something worth my time in reading.

Please, just please, contribute something better than what a 13 year old would.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

please ignore me? Rage says just ignore me, listen to her?  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:25PM | 0 recs
oops

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-30 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: oops

Al Rogers in da house!

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-30 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

I guess that unity is a one way street. He must denounce whatever you disapprove of and you need only exhibit loyalty to your own, loyalty being a virtue that he is not entitled to possess. When are you going to get tired of making these endless and foolish renounce denounce etc demands. I did notice that Hillary was not asked to denounce Ed Rendell, who gave a half hour flowery praise speech about Rev. Farrakhan to his face, which is posted on YouTube. You didn't ask her to denounce Rendell, although you did ask O to denounce Rev. F.  This is way beyond hypocrisy, but is an announcement that O can never ever meet your standards of whatever.

by Christy1947 2008-05-30 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Anna will you condemn the hate speech you contribute to at No Quarter?

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

You're absolutely right.  Obama should have all the Revs, revolutionaries and  Rezkos get together with him for a campaign photo - they're his friends!  No throwing friends under the bus - that's reserved for typical white women like his grandmother.

by Tolstoy 2008-05-30 05:27PM | 0 recs
a gaffe?

ok...

by kevin22262 2008-05-30 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Somehow, I'm shocked that someone on this wacky site hasn't TR'd you for this very nice comment. Thanks for injecting some reason and sense.

by mcthatch37 2008-05-31 08:03AM | 0 recs
Did Hillary reject Ann Coulter's endorsement?

Did Hillary reject Richard Mellon Scaife's endorsement?

ooops.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-30 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Hillary reject Ann Coulter's endorsement?

so you think she should Barack's pastors? It's so counterintuitive?  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Hillary reject Ann Coulter's endorsement?

since he specifically did not endorse her, why and how would she?

by zerosumgame 2008-05-30 06:22PM | 0 recs
Do you REALLY want to get...

...into long time friendships because the CLintons have made some doozies that you would probably condem people for even mentioning.

But I guess you're not into a single standard are you?

by DawnG 2008-05-30 04:50PM | 0 recs
condemn racist websites

No, YOU don't get it.

I don't agree with all of Wright's or Pfleger's words by any reach of the imagination.

However, their angry words aren't born in a vacuum.  They originate from and are a response to a profoundly racist society.

Quite a few of the posters on your rec crew are regulars at sites that consistently spew racism and xenophobia.  

I think it is the peak of irony that it is the type of folks that you confer with who contribute to creating the rancid environment from which this angry preaching springs forth.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-05-30 05:03PM | 0 recs
No, we don't

Obama condemmed the statements.  What else should he do, TP the guy's house?  Isn't it past time for this campaign to be about issues and not what tactless thing some associate of the candidate said.  I don't hold Clinton responsible for every boneheaded or spiteful thing said by someone she knows.

by protothad 2008-05-30 05:16PM | 0 recs
It's not enough

I'm sorry but it's not enough.

Not only does Obama need to condemn a pastor whom Obama never invited to the church but who spoke at his church on a day he wasn't there but Obama needs to condemn

the ushers who remained in that church while he spoke

the three four year olds who heard this but didn't walk out

and the UPS driver who still delivers packages to that church despite knowing of this controversy.

Obama has not done enough and that's why Hillary is more electable.

by HillsMyGirl 2008-05-30 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: It's not enough

What would be enough?   It's never enough.  So tell us, WHAT would be enough?  We can't win.  If you ask for repudiation but then reject what is given as not enough, what can Obama supporters do?  A closed mind will not allow reconciliation.  At a loss, more apologies, more kissing ass, what is enough?

by temptxan 2008-05-31 04:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

20 years of friendship is a reason NOT to throw him under the bus.

by proseandpromise 2008-05-30 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Just come out and say it. Please. You think Obama holds these views. You think Obama wants to steal the nomination from an "entitled white woman", right?

You think Obama agrees with everything a priest says that just so happens to have endorsed him. Have raised money for him. Clearly having someone with unpopular racist views that donates to you means that you yourself hold the same views.

What's that? You won't say that Obama holds the same views? Then what the hell is he apologizing for? For your satisfaction of your nice "gotcha?"

It really has nothing to do with Obama. It has nothing to do with his personal views. It has nothing to do with his judgment. It has everything to do with you. For your "gotcha" and having the grim satisfaction of seeing him apologize.

So what do you want Obama to do? Apologize FOR the priest? The priest himself apologized. What's the connection to Obama. Did Obama push those views out himself?

Algere, I remember when you wrote nice diaries. Diaries about social justice, about helping people. "Donate for Darfur", "Help a Fellow Diarist out", "Stand up for Abused Women".

What are you doing now? Writing divisive smear pieces in which your glee is hardly contained. In which every sentence can be imagined with having a smug giggle after.

Yet here you are demanding an apology you have no right to demand for. You know very well a pressured apology is worth nothing from any candidate. You'll probably write about how the apology was a political strategy.

The priest himself apologized. That's all that needs to be done. Obama doesn't have to answer for other people. It does nothing but serve your own self-satisfaction.

I'm certain Obama took measures. And he did. He removed said name from his website which Jerome gleefully made into a cover up of sorts. He's already distanced himself.

You are way better than this. I've seen.

Good luck.

by Zotnix 2008-05-30 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

We are in two wars. The economy is tanking.
Terrorism. Global warming. Natural disasters.
So you are willing to choose a president who for 20 years had this bad judgement? Who has a crook buy his lawn for half a million? Who has never accomplished anything in his life? Has he ever held a full time job?
Are you really willing to trust the country and the world to this person with the terrible judgement?
If you are, God help us all.

Like the judgement to VOTE for the war in the first place? Or to call for "obliterating" Iran?

Your questions hardly even warrant a good response. A crook? Prove it. Or are you reading RedState too much? Show the wrongdoing.

Never accomplished anything in his life? Being in the state senate and being in the Senate... is nothing? Going through law school is nothing? I imagine you must have achieved amazing things to put Obama down so willingly.

Never held a full time job? Do you have proof of this or just trolling?

Obama has shown amazing foresight and judgment. You only repeat the same right-wing taking points without even backing anything up.

I feel like I am talking to a Republican...

by Zotnix 2008-05-30 07:07PM | 0 recs
Let's talk about crooks...

Let's talk about some of the people Clinton pardoned...

You think the Clinton's don't know some shady people?  

And this "he's never accomplished anything in his life" - just a bit disingenuous don't you think?

Or do you have something against college professors and state senators?

And his family - I think that's doing something.

by jaywillie 2008-05-30 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's talk about crooks...

You're being trolled.

by Jess81 2008-05-30 07:56PM | 0 recs
At this point,

I don't know if there's anything Obama can do to make this right. An apology is empty. to denounce him now, is just a day late.

BO has been friends with this man for 20 years. He had Wright as his 'spiritual advisor' for 20 years. A news release abandoning them does not make those 20 years just go away.

This is no longer an isolated event. It is emerging as part of a pattern.

Obama is a good man, that's for sure, but he has made some lousy choices at church. I hope he can find a way out of this.

by NJ Liberal 2008-05-30 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

I am not a guy and I don't get it either. When are you going to ask him to denounce and reject, and leave, Michelle, to meet your demands that he get everything out of his own life that you disapprove of?

by Christy1947 2008-05-30 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

the obamabots, clearly bored from sucking each other's cocks over at kos, have since swarmed to myDD and are 10,000 times more unbearable than ever since this "IsThisSnark?" shit flared up.  Go ahead, ban me, I'm through w/ this site, this party, and am voting McCain so Lord Kos and his minions will be humiliated and powerless in 2012, when Hillary makes her triumphant return.

and NO THIS ISN'T FUCKING SNARK!

by BlueDoggyDogg 2008-05-30 05:20PM | 0 recs
Is this serious?

Snark question.

by Builderman 2008-05-30 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

This week is living proof that we need a primary every Tuesday.  Since Puerto Rico was scheduled for Tuesday, instead the news networks have been on a nonstop gaffe/mini-scandal parade since last Friday.  RFK, Auschwitz, Pfleger, geez.

by BPK80 2008-05-30 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Not Some - Said in his church - with his new uncle sorry pastor praising Rev Pfelger.

by indus 2008-05-30 06:45PM | 0 recs
Reality has a well known Obama bias

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-30 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Reality has a well known Obama bias

Al, awesome picture- but we're just feeding a troll, period. Ignore her, stay away from these diaries- it's the best way to do things. If Obama supporters hadn't been posting in these diaries, they'd only have about five comments. Yeah, she posts flame bait, it's egregious- ignore it. You aren't going to change her mind, and the reasonable Clinton supporters, by and large, stay away from these diaries because they don't care for them, either.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Obama's having trouble with white women largely because Clinton and her biggest supporters have basically been accusing Obama and the media of misogynist rape of the first serious female candidate for the presidency, and stoking racism against the "black man".

When Clinton's supporters cool down the rhetoric, the women whose resentments they are stoking will come back into the fold.

by thereisnospoon 2008-05-30 04:06PM | 0 recs
when do you expect that to happen?

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-30 04:12PM | 0 recs
not any time soon...

..."hell hath no fury" and all that.

(I'm a woman, believe me I know)

by DawnG 2008-05-30 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

They don't care; ignore them. It's the best weapon to use against them- trolls hate being ignored.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

You don't - I can't stop laughing - know anything about women or you'd never have the nerve to write such drivel.  

by Tolstoy 2008-05-30 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

whatever you say--my Hillary-despising gf feels the same way, as does her mom, as does my Obama precinct captain mom, as does my brother's Obama precinct captain gf.  Three of them are self-described feminists and independent business owners.

Maybe your universe of women is a little small?

by thereisnospoon 2008-05-30 09:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Hope you're enjoying your time with head in the sand.  Good luck with that notion!  Run on it too!  

LOL!

by Sensible 2008-05-30 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

thanks for the well wishes!  Democrats everywhere appreciate your goodwill in seeing McCain defeated this November.

by thereisnospoon 2008-05-30 09:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

thanks.  I doubt we'll need it, though.  Women aren't going to vote for a guy that called his wife a trollop and a cunt in front of reporters, and would nominate another Alito to the bench.

The sour grapes effect will only extend to few die-hards.

by thereisnospoon 2008-05-30 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

You can write this down, thereisnospoon:  As a middle age, college educated (three degrees) married white woman I will NEVER "come back into the fold."

"You  say you've seen seven wonders
And your bird can sing.
But you don't get me.
You don't get me."

by livesinashoe 2008-05-30 10:44PM | 0 recs
I found this latest episode

particularly interesting. The congregation there gave Fr. Pfleger a damn standing ovation.

How is it that a man of an entirely different faith altogether (Roman Catholic) was able to tune into that crowd, get a sense of their thinking, and connect so quickly when it took Obama 20+ years and a national scandal to do the same?

The answer is an obvious one.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-30 04:08PM | 0 recs
Here's a NOVEL idea.
Since you hate our Democratic nominee for The President, Barack Obama so much.
Since you have vocalized that hatred for months now. Since you so despise him, think he's so evil and rotten and wrong and a liar and a racist, and want to vote for McCain?
WHAT ARE YOU NOT AT FREE REPUBLIC OR RED STATE since you are now a republican?
The hatred towards one of our own, towards our nominee, shown by you and Alegra and Linfar, is beyond the freaking pale.
Congratulations on being a Republican now. They own you. You own them.
by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:16PM | 0 recs
I can't believe you said that

You need to get a grip. The only hatred here belongs to you my friend.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-30 04:22PM | 0 recs
my friend? did you just say my friend??

you reveal your true republican colors talking just like john mccain. sick. sick. sick. i can't wait until all you republican trolls get banned. by the way, the day i am friends with a republican (that would be you)...well. ain't gonna happen.

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's a NOVEL idea.

Knock it off. They're flame-baiting you, and look- they're getting what they want. Don't even give them the time of day, man. The reasonable and true Clinton supporters are nowhere to be found around here- take a hint from them. Ignore these trolls.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's a NOVEL idea.

nope. they're not flame baiting me.  i just like putting republican trolls in their place with their racist, vile pathetic garbage. but i hear what you're saying. but i can't let their vile gop talking points suck the life out of this blog either.

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:56PM | 0 recs
Oh yes we are

What's happened around here?  How is it hate speech of any stripe is being given credence?  What the hell happened to you and all the other reasonable people?  

by The Fat Lady Sings 2008-05-30 09:10PM | 0 recs
How dare you slam Africans Americans.
They have been victims of racism and discrimination and the most vile acts. They've been slaves, hung, burned, insulted, murdered. All because they are black.
And Geraldine Ferrarro says they are so damn effin lucky to be black, doesn't she?
And Hllary never once condemns it. Nor do ANY OF YOU.
You cry that everyone is picking on you because you're white?
Yeah - because black people had it so damn good for 200 years, and now it's your turn to be the victims.
Christ - did you register over at Red State yet?
Did you register as a republican yet since you hate our nominee with so much anger and bitterness?
by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:46PM | 0 recs
It's like you're responding to the wrong person

I really don't understand what you're talking about, but if it makes you feel better, whatever.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-30 04:54PM | 0 recs
your GOP talking points don't make anyone feel

better but yourself. how long you been a repub anyway? just curious.

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: your GOP talking points don't make anyone feel

Please JUST STOP it.

I beg of you.  You are not helping here.  

by colebiancardi 2008-05-30 05:03PM | 0 recs
sorry. but i'm sick and tired of these alegre
hit/smear/libel/slander diaries that have been posted at two to three per day since January. they've been recc'd up every time, and she used to get praised non stop.
finally, there's some fairness going on here, with her being called out on her republican hatred towards barack, and it's please stop?
like stopping will stop these vicious ugly divisive smear job diaries she posts day after day after day?
good men doing nothing is the definition of evil.
i will not stand by and let her smear her GOP garbage on our nominee for President.
That belongs over at John McCain's site.
by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: sorry. but i'm sick and tired of these alegre

I understand your anger, but it doesn't help at all.  The majority of sane posters are trying to promote unity and are ignoring most of these types of diaries.

you are not helping in that effort.  If you feel so strongly about the diarist, then email the admin's with your concerns.  

by colebiancardi 2008-05-30 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: It's like you're responding to the wrong perso

Sure you do - but you don't have an answer.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: How dare you slam Africans Americans.

Hmm, seems to me that everything you say here has and is happening to women, no matter WHAT color they are, but people feel just fine slamming them daily.

Ever hear of the sex slave trade, going on RIGHT NOW? It cuts across all races.

by splashy 2008-05-30 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

No. It's more vicious ranting and raving right wing ugly hatred towards our Democratic Nominee for the President - Barack Obama. Why is this republican smear b.s. allowed on a site to elect democrats? I keep thinking I've over at Red State when I read this ugly vicious cruel divisive garbage.

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

did you listen to it? It's a nasty mocking jeer and sneer that claims Hillary is entitled because she's white? And it has a lot of parishioners cheering and thrilled to hear her smacked down jeered and sneered?  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:28PM | 0 recs
And you? All of you obama haters...
Did you listen to what Geraldine Ferrarro said about Obama?
Did you listen to what she said about african americans?
Demeaning them. Insulting them. Calling them vile names.
Do you not care one iota about how african americans feel about these kinds of racist, vile, ugly insults?
Or is it all about sexism to you and nothing else.
Obama apologized. He did not say those words.
Hillary NEVER once said she was sorry for any of the racist vile cruel things Ferraro said.
You.
Just.
Don't.
See it and never will.
This is so sad and a true Democrat would condemn her vicious comments.
So your words?
Yes. they fall on deaf ears right now. I hate hypocrisy.
by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: And you? All of you obama haters...

proof? links?

by tarheel74 2008-05-30 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: And you? All of you obama haters...

no, it wasn't recorded and had been said months before his campaign released it, right in time to smear HIllary by association.  And it worked, but he hopes being smeared by association wont work with him?  Hillary said Gerry was wrong to say what she had. Might as well bring up his long time associate who called HIllary a monster?  This one however is as bad as Wright, and ugly display of racism and sexism and cheers from the Christian congregation.  Are all Christians bigots?  

by anna shane 2008-05-31 11:43AM | 0 recs
there's a double standard...

...and you just gotta take it or you'll get banned!

OOOOooooooO!!!!  Jerome's gonna getcha!

by DawnG 2008-05-30 04:51PM | 0 recs
More Faux Outrage From Alegre....

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-05-30 04:19PM | 0 recs
Hide rating

for claiming hate speech from a democrat where none exists.

Hate speech is clearly defined. You do a disservice to its victims by lowering the bar.

by Is This Snark 2008-05-30 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Besides these comments from the pulpit at Trinity United, what else do you know about this Priest? Anything?  Or I guess these comments are all you need to know to make your profound judgements.

If all I knew of Bill Clinton was that he was a President who received oral sex from a young intern in the Oval Office I could rush to judgement about how sexist and criminal his behaviour was - that he had taken this young girl for granted and betrayed his family in the worst possible way. I could suggest that he be rejected and denounced too. But I wouldn't, that would be too simplistic.

I think that you reduce everything you post about - positive or negative - in a very simplistic and narrow and also deliberate manner. Well done!  

by Iago 2008-05-30 04:49PM | 0 recs
Ironic much?

You have been the Queen of divisive hate speech on this site.  Almost every single diary is based on it, yet somehow you find the gall to lecture others against it?

Ab-so-frickin-lutely AMAZING!

You are a hateful, dishonest sore loser.

by rf7777 2008-05-30 04:57PM | 0 recs
You are in no position

to make this demand.

You have hurled personal insults at Obama.

Why anyone would take your demand seriously is silly.

by fladem 2008-05-30 05:58PM | 0 recs
This diary cheapens the term hate

speech. But oh well. Can't pass up an opportunity to make it on the rec list.

by 79blondini 2008-05-30 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

What exactly did he say that's sexist?  

The Clinton campaign clearly displayed a sense of entitlement at the outset of the campaign.  While I don't think it was racially motivated, it was palpable.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-05-30 07:29PM | 0 recs
courage

that is all that is needed is a little leadership and courage to strongly denounce and reject. Unfortunately Obama is luke warm.  This is what is meant by being "thrown under the bus".

by 4justice 2008-05-30 08:12PM | 0 recs
even McCain had the guts

to condemn the remark.  Sheesh.

by 4justice 2008-05-30 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: even McCain had the guts

Yeah, takes real courage to condemn your opponent.  That man is fearless.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

Once again, you're an idiot.

If this is hate speech, then you are more than guilty of the same given prior statements you have made about Obama.

If this is hate speech, then Hillary is more than guilty of the same given her statements inciting racial division and (unintentionally) bringing up the spectre of assassination.

This is not hate speech and you are dumber than ever.  He is critical of Hillary.  He is not polite about it.  He ridicules her...heavily.  But, I'm sad to say, she and her campaign have become a joke.

We can start to have unity when you pull your head out of your ass and stop looking to cause trouble wherever you see a slight against a failed candidate.

by masterxi43 2008-05-30 09:01PM | 0 recs
You are loved!

Once again on the reclist.
More than 300 comments.
People have mean knicknames for you.
You are mentioned in many signature lines.
Your name comes up in the text of many diaries.
Nearly every diary you write is met with some kind of response diary:
Trouble in the Heartland becomes Hope in the Heartland
And today, there is a diary on the reclist about the fact that your diary is on the reclist.

You are the most effective advocate on this site!  Keep it up Alegre!

by psychodrew 2008-05-30 11:35PM | 0 recs
Re: You are loved!
You are a disappointment to real Drew's everywhere.
Are you a real Drew like me or one of those Andrew Drew's?
by nogo postal 2008-05-31 05:23AM | 0 recs
Wouldn't you like to know. n/t

by psychodrew 2008-05-31 03:19PM | 0 recs
Catholic league criticized Obama

May 30, 2008
Obama takes heat from Catholic League over Pfleger
Posted: 04:32 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Pfleger has apologized for his comments.
(CNN) -- The Catholic League sharply criticized Barack Obama Friday for his ties to controversial Catholic minister Michael Pfleger, saying in a statement the Illinois senator should have severed ties with him long ago.

by suzieg 2008-05-31 06:03AM | 0 recs
Donohue is a right wing hack

and the Catholic League ("for religious and civil rights") is an embarrassment to many catholics for the obvious republican hackery of many of its positions. Bill Donohue's primary mission is to demonize liberals. Period.

Think about it, where is the religious or civil rights issue in here requiring Donohue's comment? Why is his statement snearing about public funding being directed to catholic charities that serve the public?

http://www.catholicleague.org/release.ph p?id=1440

by Mobar 2008-05-31 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Condemn Pfleger And Cut All Ties

He already did. Are you slow?

by X Stryker 2008-05-31 09:47AM | 0 recs
by hate speech do you mean the death threats on

NoQuarter

if so, I agree.

by hope monger 2008-05-31 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

He did.

Chill.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

No - he didn't.

Deeply distressed is NOT a condemnation.

You didn't read my diary - did you?

by alegre 2008-05-30 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Oh, I'm sorry, did Obama not do it in the exact wording that the junior Senator from New York would have preferred?

This is ludicrous.  It will be a cold day in hell before a grown adult should have to say things in exactly the way his or her opponent demands.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Just ignore her. That's the worst thing you could do to her- she thrives on the attention.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

yes, ignore us all. To answer your friends question, he didn't say it right because he didn't mean it right?  He offended women who he's losing in droves lately, used to have 57 percent positive, now 42% and dropping.  Enough to give a girl hope?  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Hmmmmm............that word, "hope" has been denigrated by a lot of you folks.

I would think you'd stay away from hope.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Reaper, have you been listening to me? At all? Really? Is this how it's going to be?

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

what happened to ignoring?  Has promise been degraded too?  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

you are right rage

but she really "fires me up"

and I want to give back the rage (no pun intended) that she gives me right back to her as a deterrent hopefully she would think twice for before attacking the dem nomimee with a diary

but you are right overall ...but with all due respect I held my fire in the effort to unify but if this "c-Word" writes another smear diary about the dem nominee on a dem web site I will show "no quarter" pun intended

I like and respect Alegre  she is by far one of the greatest supporters for a candidate I have ever seen I gave her plenty of mojo's (when I could) but she has to confronted like the bully she is

by wellinformed 2008-05-30 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Do you give Senator Clinton the same benefit of the doubt that you're giving Obama? Did you ever criticize her about her RFK apology? Or "fairy tale"? Or Tuzla? (I really don't know if you did and I'm not reading your comment history to find out.) Because most Obama supporters do not accept any of Clinton's apologies and regularly demand that she apologize in a specific manner to specific people. It's fine to say he doesn't need to apologize according to someone else's demands, as long as we're not applying a double standard.

by LakersFan 2008-05-30 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

It's really difficult to give

"Some other people who agree with you on candidate said some mean things, so you must be guilty, and if you aren't, I'm too lazy and wrapped in outrage to care"

any legitimatacy whatsoever.

by Rorgg 2008-05-30 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By
Try to be somewhat coherent in your comments.
And don't use quote marks unless you're actually quoting someone (and definitely don't use them when you're completely misquoting/misconstruing what someone said).
by LakersFan 2008-05-30 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By
Why does anyone need to read your diary? It's the same as all your other hate filled, vicious, ugly smear jobs against a Democrat. Since you despise him so much, and he is now the nominee:
  1. Go change your party affiliation.
  2. Sign up at Red State -
where your hate filled rants of hatred against a Dem will be welcomed with republican open arms.
by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause

Would you rather he had said that the remarks were "unfortunate"?  

I ask this because last week when he said that, you and your fellow Clinton supporters whined up a storm about how he was all but accusing Clinton of being Sirhan Sirhan's love-child.

So apparently, in your word, "unfortunate" is a much more condemnatory description than "divisive, backward-looking, [...] doesn't reflect the country."

In that case, let me just say that this diary is... unfortunate.

by mistersite 2008-05-30 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Dear commentors. The building is not burnt to the ground, so more must be done. For those who ask for this remedy as often as some of the irredentists, nothing less will satisfy. Mere words will never be enough. So just chill, and get your popcorn and beverages for tomorrow, do your chores early, check out the post tonight from THE FIELD (I have no affiliation with it but it is a letter from Karen Thurman about tomorrow) and let this flow by you. And think of respectful responses to the good faith Hillary supporters who are wounded and need unity. They are here, and on Dkos and still need logical minds and sincerity, which is of no use here.

by Christy1947 2008-05-30 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Trolls thrive on attention. Just walk away.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By
Alegre is right, you just dont get it and apparently neither does Obama. I have been struggling trying to wrap my head around voting for Obama if indeed he does turn out to be our party's nominee. This just probably nailed the door shut as far as I am concerned. Thanks Alegre for your thoughtful diary.
by mztower 2008-05-30 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

Alegra, you've earned a unity pony for this post!

by Black Anus 2008-05-30 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By

People will die if John McCain is elected.

It's not about you.

by Brannon 2008-05-30 07:56PM | 0 recs
Is this snark?

Seriously.

by libertyleft 2008-05-30 03:57PM | 0 recs
Not

helpful.  Cut this out for a week until we see what happens.  Right now divisiveness only help John McCain.

by Student Guy 2008-05-30 03:58PM | 0 recs
Divisive gets a bad rep

Sometimes, there are people it can help you to be divided from.  Obama benefits from being divided from supporters that cause trouble for him, like this priest and pastors like Wright.

He benefits, as well, from being divided from potential supporters of the type who would use the words of a preacher in a church as debased, self serving political attacks.  

by libertyleft 2008-05-30 04:15PM | 0 recs
VAAlex

Why have you hide rated my comment that has had it's content pre-approved by the site administrator?

by libertyleft 2008-05-30 04:25PM | 0 recs
You mispelled his name

it doesn't have an A in it.

Otherwise I agree with reaper.

he did condemn this, unlike John McCain who waited to denounce Hagee and Parsley for quite a while.

by Student Guy 2008-05-30 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: You mispelled his name

Thanks for pointing that out.  I'll try to fix later.

As for the condemnation - do you REALLY think "deeply distressed" = a condemnation?

Seriously - if a supporter of McCain's had said something like this about Obama wouldn't you be demanding full condemnation?

Put yourself in our place - just for once ok?

by alegre 2008-05-30 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: You mispelled his name

I would be thrilled, thrilled if Hillary had used language like this in regards to Congresswoman Ferraro or any number of other people who've said crap like this.

You're projecting.  Not all of us have this incredibly overdeveloped sense of defense.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: You mispelled his name

Reaper, get with it. Again. Trolls thrive on attention, and you're feeding this one big time. If you ignore them, they throw temper tantrums to try and get attention- but then they go away.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: You mispelled his name

Fine.  I'm on board.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-30 04:08PM | 0 recs
If Alegre is a troll, then why is this

diary the top recommended diary on MyDD?

What does that say about MyDD?

My God.  It is full of trolls.  

by Delaware Dem 2008-05-30 05:35PM | 0 recs
To IsThisSnark

I know your upset about the hubbub about this but your actions are only cementing the partisan lines in the party.  Your actions make reasonable Clinton supporters inflamed at the Obama supporters and do your candidate no good.

Chill out for a little while.

by Student Guy 2008-05-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: To IsThisSnark

and alegre's actions aren't deepening the divide?  please explain.

by thereisnospoon 2008-05-30 04:07PM | 0 recs
Yes

but it is in our advantage not to fight this battle.
Tempers flare up and it only increases the partisan divide, by walking out we limit it to an echo chamber and the partisan divide is minimized.

I am out of this thread as of now, and I won't be back.

by Student Guy 2008-05-30 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: You mispelled his name

His language in this statement was much stronger than his so-called "condemnation" about Sen. Clinton's RFK remarks, yet you whined to high heaven about that.

by mistersite 2008-05-30 04:31PM | 0 recs
Alegre, you don't get it do you?

This is not about "hate speech".  This is not about sexism.  This is not about other people.

Your diary is about how horrible Obama is and NOTHING ELSE.  He can do no right in your eyes. If he came out and condemned kitten eating you'd find SOME way to be angry about it.

If he did condemn this, you'd just be complaining that he didn't REJECT it.  And if he did reject it you'd just be claiming he didn't MEAN it.

It doesn't matter what HE does, you would find some reason to take offense at it.

Why should we even listen to you anymore?

by DawnG 2008-05-30 04:58PM | 0 recs
I'll say this..

The real person here having to do the apology is Father Pfleger. He was the one that said these offensive statements, and he did an half-assed apology which wasn't strong enough.

Obama was right to distance himself from Pfleger and call these remarks out for what they are---purely divisive remarks.

by slinkerwink 2008-05-30 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: You mispelled his name

do you REALLY think "deeply distressed" = a condemnation?

Do you really think "unfortunate" is one?

Apparently you did last weekend when you and many other Clinton supporters whined to high heaven about it.

Now tell me which is stronger:

  • "Unfortunate," or...
  • "Deeply disappointed," "divisive, backward-looking," "doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause"

If you whined even once about last Friday's statement, complaining that this one somehow wasn't strong enough is pure hypocrisy.

by mistersite 2008-05-30 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: You mispelled his name

Which is stronger - "deeply distressed" or "unfortunate"?

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

You really need to get a life.

by psychodrew 2008-05-31 04:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Obama supporters; let it go. Remember what less attention equals.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Agreed.  

by lollydee 2008-05-31 03:08AM | 0 recs
i denounce his remarks, and Ferraro's

i support Obama and i denounce these silly, hateful, and non-productive remarks!

now i'd like to see Clinton's followers do the same with Ferraro.
(but i ain't holding my breathe.)

by catchaz 2008-05-30 03:59PM | 0 recs
Don't worry

This won't get any air time, he's white.

by grass 2008-05-30 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't worry

good point.  This won't get any attention--it was never about religion or crazy pastors.  It was always about race.

by thereisnospoon 2008-05-30 04:08PM | 0 recs
That was painfully obvious when

Wright got three weeks of solid coverage and Hagee was lucky to get a twenty second mention.

But we can't mention that or we'd be playing the race card, and that would be unfair.

by grass 2008-05-30 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: That was painfully obvious when

Ignore the trolls, they go away. Ignore this one especially.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:26PM | 0 recs
Is This Snark?

Serious question.

by turtlescrubber 2008-05-30 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

it's very depressing, and hearing his congregation cheering the rhetoric is even more depressing. I wrote a diary yesterday mainly admitting that Barack is a new guy, he seems to sincerely hate her, and he's rather go easy on haters than bring party unity. you can't vote present on hate speech.  but then he does incite it, with his false outrage over created meanings.  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Again, Obama supporters, what do we do with flame bait? Ignore it. Go find a McBlogger and crush their soul, it's much more fun.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

you can't just talk about ignoring, you have to really go away?  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

When I read a page of rants like this, I think of Dylan Thomas: "Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

by fugazi 2008-05-30 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Very astute, your quote is spot on. But think it in your head, and ignore the troll. We can post a nightly Corrections diary, maybe, and go through and address/correct these egregious mischaracterizations. But ignore the troll in the meantime.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

You really are having a hard time not having the last word, aren't you?

by NJ Liberal 2008-05-30 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Or in Alegra case - rage, rage against the lying of the right.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

You're rambling.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Attacking our nominee doesn't help. You're doing the work of McCain.

by fugazi 2008-05-30 04:02PM | 0 recs
Lock it up!

This goes without saying; don't point it out. Ignore her, and move on. If Obama supporters hadn't responded to this thread, look at how many comments it would've had? Three? Four?

Ignore her.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Lock it up!

HOW DAR YOU EWS MY LINE!!!!!!11111!!!! I TELLED EW WONSE AND I WO'NT TEL EW AGAN!!!1111 IT BEELOGS TO ME PLEES ASK ME BEFOUR EW EWS IT!!!!!!!1111 OBAMA SED FOUR ME TO EWS IT WEN I NEDE TWO!!!!11111

by hootie4170 2008-05-30 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Is this reject not denounce all over again?

by gcensr 2008-05-30 04:02PM | 0 recs
Ah yes

The politics of REJECT and DENOUNCE, where no apology that does not undermine Obama is not good enough.

Pathetic.

by Cochrane 2008-05-30 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Ah yes

Ignore her, man. Don't feed the trolls. They hate being ignored.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:24PM | 0 recs
Obama's denunciation

I know...Obama's denunciation was so much weaker than Hillary's denunciation of her RFK statements where she apologized to Obama and his family...oh wait

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-30 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's denunciation

Hey,

The Obama camp needs to apologize to Hillary for taking her quote out of context.

It was deplorable what the Obama camp did by pointing out what HIllary said word for word.

I also think it was misogynistic and sexist.

How dare he take the job of a more qualified woman?  HIllary is obviously more qualified.

by HillsMyGirl 2008-05-30 09:27PM | 0 recs
He did...

...the right thing.  Pfleger was a guest speaker.  Is Obama going to be responsible for every individual that Trinity asks to speak there?  Scrapping the bottom of the barrel...

What did you think about the Clinton conference call regarding MI and FL?

by hootie4170 2008-05-30 04:04PM | 0 recs
Obama's known him for years

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726 619,obamafalsani040504.article

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

Obama even handed out some federal pork money to Pfleger.  According to the Chicago Tribune, "[t]he Rev. Michael Pfleger contributed to Obama's campaign and in turn Obama redirected a $225,000 grant to St. Sabina."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainm ent/chi-0705030035may03,0,7803217.story

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 04:07PM | 0 recs
St. Sabina

St. Sabina is one of the poorest parishes in the state.  The church and its neighborhood has been plauged by poverty and gang violence for decades.  If State Senator and Senator Obama had NOT directed funds to St. Sabina, it would have been criminal.

by ArtVanDelay1774 2008-05-30 05:22PM | 0 recs
No need Alegre. Jerome already published

the talking point.

The irony of the woman who never ever admits to doing anything wrong demanding that Obama give a better denunciation and apology for a priest, who isn't his priest (obviously since he's not Catholic), and who can't even bring herself to say the words "I'm sorry" for bringing the word "assassination" into the Presidential Primary, is staggering.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-30 04:04PM | 0 recs
Don't fuel the fire

you did some good with the John McCain link in the sig but just walk out, I am leaving this diary after this post because it isn't worth fighting this battle.

BTW I think John McCain should not have filibustered the minimum wage increase.

by Student Guy 2008-05-30 04:08PM | 0 recs
Thank you for representing my better angels.

Backing slowly to the door. Feeling for the handle. Quick glance over shoulder to make sure nobody's behind me. Backing through door and closing it quietly.

Thanks. I'm so trying. I should just leave and come back Wednesday.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-30 04:11PM | 0 recs
It's an evolving story -religious reaction

is just coming in.

Read what I say herein about the woman who gave the sermon at the first service at Trinity that day.

Or reach what the Catholic establishment is starting to say:

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.p hp?id=28097

There, in that now famous venue, this Chicago Catholic Priest stepped into a controversy that will not die down.

He made mocking, belittling statements and gestures about a Democratic candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton. The remarks were provocative, divisive, racially tinged and shocking.

Father Pfleger, with a tone of arrogance, intimated that when the Senator from New York began to cry during an interview in the New Hampshire Primary, she was not experiencing authentic emotion but rather was experiencing some kind of regret that she had to experience opposition at all.

This story isn't dying, it's growing.  One does not see statements like this from established religious thinkers and writers -- and it's going to have a huge impact on Obama's churchgoer vote.

Here's another example:

In a general election a presidential candidate typically moves to the center. It is now going to be even harder for Obama to do that since America keeps seeing footage of his friends who stand to the left of Fidel Castro.

But that's not all. The Senator from Illinois has his share of difficulties with White Blue Collar voters. I have observed elsewhere that this group loathes this type of rhetoric (unless it comes from Chris Rock).

There's more to be concerned about. Obama has demonstrated some weakness with Catholic voters. The fact that he finds himself receiving glowing praise from a priest who has been in a running, public feud with his local Cardinal might aggravate the problem.

 

The writer of this piece (cite below) is influential in the religious community.  http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai th/georgetown/2008/05/pursuing_the_jewis h_vote.html

Jacques Berlinerblau is program director and associate professor of Jewish Civilization at the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University.

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 04:15PM | 0 recs
Read what the preacher at Trinity 1st service said

The preacher at the first service of the day had this to say about Pfleger -- Fr. Pfleger was at the second service.  (The preacher was Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite, president of Chicago Theological Seminary and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. She has been a professor of theology at the seminary for 20 years.)

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai th/susan_brooks_thistlethwaite/2008/05/p fleger_bully_in_the_pulpit.html

I preached the first service at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago last Sunday. Rev. Michael Pfleger preached later that day.

I preached a sermon about how a sacred conversation on race has to have Christ at the center.

Father Pfleger, as America now knows, preached a very different message on race, one I greatly resent.

We in the United Church of Christ are trying to have what we call "A Sacred Conversation on Race" and I did not find Pfleger's sermon to represent what we in the UCC are trying to do in having a sacred conversation.

Instead, Pfleger's sermon was a bullying rant that was disrespectful of the members of Trinity United Church of Christ, disrespectful of Senator Hillary Clinton and really also disrespectful of Senator Obama and his consistent message of finding common ground.

It is interesting to hear her reactions from a woman's perspective also:

The idea that you should inflame people's hatred of one another as a way to mobilize voters has been dominant since 1972 and very powerful. But it has produced near paralysis in Washington and disastrous foreign policy. But hate dies hard and while people want to find unity, they can easily fall back into divisive rhetoric, especially when it is disguised as humor. This is bad at a dinner party; in the pulpit it is shameful and wrong.

As a woman, I was offended by Pfleger's mocking of Senator Clinton for showing emotion. Women in leadership get this double-whammy all the time; you have to be strong and not show emotion to be seen as a leader and when you don't show emotion people say you are cold and unfeeling. I had hoped that stereotype of women had died in the 1970's, but apparently not for Pfleger.

Her summation:

Father Pfleger's sermon was pulpit bullying of the church and bullying of good people who are trying to run decent campaigns for President. It was anything but sacred and it was certainly not biblical.

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Read what the preacher at Trinity 1st service

Wait -- you mean Trinity invites guest speakers who hold wildly divergent opinions from each other, and express them strongly?  Huh.  It sounds almost like diversity of opinion is valued there.  How, then, are we supposed to tell which ones Obama is responsible for?

by jere7my 2008-05-30 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Read what the preacher at Trinity 1st service

B-b-b-b-but I thought that everyone who spoke, served at, or even attended TUCC was filled with racist and sexist hatred.  This person sounds reasonable; how could he or she have possibly attended such a hate-filled church?

One of the talking points is going to have to go, katmandu.  Either this person is reasonable and (gasp!) TUCC is a place where diversity of opinions is valued, or this person is just as unreasonable and hate-filled as you think the whole church is.

by mistersite 2008-05-30 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

I am past "cutting him loose." I think Obama needs to tell us why he has been friends with these creeps for so long? I have never seen such a string of haters behind one candidate since the rise of the religious right.

by linfar 2008-05-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Haters? Like the Clinton voters who won't vote for Obama because he's black?

Pointing out injustice, entitlement, and racism is the opposite of hate and only someone who was fine with all of that would think otherwise.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-30 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Ignore her, she's only posting flamebait, that's her purpose in life. Have you ever seen her post a positive diary on anything related to trying to bridge a gap with Obama supporters? No. Even the reasonable Clinton supporters steer clear of these things, take a hint from them. Ignore her and she'll go away.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

True true. I'm just tired of the privileged BS.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-30 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Then let's walk away. It's the best way to show your true disdain.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

You have a deal.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-30 04:36PM | 0 recs
If you have such a low opinion

of the diarist, ragekage, why do you always insist on causing so much havoc instead of staying away?  You give as much as you get.

by izarradar 2008-05-30 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: If you have such a low opinion
LOL Yeah, just as he entreats others, he's "walked away." You can tell by the number of his comments in this diary. ;) Cura te ipsum
by Caldonia 2008-05-30 06:26PM | 0 recs
Ignore her and she'll go away?
Can that really be?
Lord, it sounds too good to be true...
by Mumphrey 2008-05-30 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

oh give it a damn rest. you hate him with a vicious burning hatred. your past diaries prove that. you post over at hillary is 44 how much you despise him. you post racist crap about him. you are a republican troll.

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:50PM | 0 recs
I'll say the same thing...

I'll say the same thing the diarist said when Hillary said something offensive. (about assasination)

Move on already.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/23/2353 42/377#commenttop

by libertyleft 2008-05-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
pfleger got his chain yanked by the bishop

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archi ves/2008/05/chicagos-cardinal-george-to- fa.html

   The Catholic Church does not endorse political candidates. Consequently, while a priest must speak to political issues that are also moral, he may not endorse candidates nor engage in partisan campaigning.

   Racial issues are both political and moral and are also highly charged. Words can be differently interpreted, but Fr. Pfleger's remarks about Senator Clinton are both partisan and amount to a personal attack. I regret that deeply.

   To avoid months of turmoil in the church, Fr. Pfleger has promised me that he will not enter into campaigning, will not publicly mention any candidate by name and will abide by the discipline common to all Catholic priests.

...and not all the speakers at trinity - or in the Church of Christ diocese - share his and Wright's views. read this by Susan Thistlewaite, another guest preacher at trinity sunday.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai th/susan_brooks_thistlethwaite/

Father Pfleger, as America now knows, preached a very different message on race, one I greatly resent.

We in the United Church of Christ are trying to have what we call "A Sacred Conversation on Race" and I did not find Pfleger's sermon to represent what we in the UCC are trying to do in having a sacred conversation.

Instead, Pfleger's sermon was a bullying rant that was disrespectful of the members of Trinity United Church of Christ, disrespectful of Senator Hillary Clinton and really also disrespectful of Senator Obama and his consistent message of finding common ground.

by campskunk 2008-05-30 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: pfleger got his chain yanked by the bishop

Thanks campskunk,

It's good to be reminded that Pfleger's misogyny is typical of neither the Catholic church nor UCC. Though it is telling that while both Cardinal George and President Thistlethwaite recognize and call out the personal attack on Senator Clinton, while Senator Obama lacks the character to do so himself.

by souvarine 2008-05-30 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning

terrific diary Al, as usual.  It's funny that Barack is for not counting the popular vote and for accepting hate speech, he's more like Reagan than earlier showed.  Thanks, I know it's hard to speak truth when bullies get aggressive, but don't stop, she won't.  

by anna shane 2008-05-30 04:07PM | 0 recs
terrific diary?

another hate filled vicious rant against our nominee, and you love this kind of right wing garbage? this is beyond the pale. this kind of crap belongs over at red state or rush limbaugh's site.

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 04:52PM | 0 recs
Obamashould condemn his STUPID

remarks about Sen.Clinton,only people who could take Rev Wright's BS seriously would applaud such nonsense. Obama would be doing good to condemnhate speech about Sen. Clinton, it will make her supporters happy despite the trolls on every pro-Hillary diary. I DO WANT UNITY! I will vote for Obama,but others arent sure,and doing this will help...

by rigsoHC 2008-05-30 04:07PM | 0 recs
Obama DID condemn his remarks

Try to keep up here, son.

by nightsweat 2008-05-30 06:04PM | 0 recs
excuse you son? learn that being online

anonymously doesnt mean you should lose face and decided to be a douche bag. and i meant about the attacks on Sen. Clinton, OBVIOUSLY SON

by rigsoHC 2008-05-31 08:33AM | 0 recs
Dude or dudette-

I've been online since you went to a picnic with your dad and came home with your mom.

Ignorant is one thing.  Loud and ignorant is another.  Pay attention and maybe you won't miss the big events.

by nightsweat 2008-05-31 06:55PM | 0 recs
Obama supporters...

...just leave this thread alone, follow ragekage and Student Guy's lead.  Let some of them vent...Move on....

by hootie4170 2008-05-30 04:09PM | 0 recs
No.

Lies and Ignorance must be countered and destroyed.

by Delaware Dem 2008-05-30 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: No.

Have at it...

by hootie4170 2008-05-30 06:13PM | 0 recs
Off Topic

Delaware DEM!!!  I didn't know you were over here.  I am SOOOO buying you that cup of coffee.  Brew Ha Ha here we come!!!!

by lollydee 2008-05-31 03:09AM | 0 recs
You can't even identify hate speech.

Pfleger was right. Clinton felt entitled to the presidency and didn't feel that she had to earn it. He's right that some of her supporters are racist.

That's not hate speech. That's condemning haters.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-30 04:09PM | 0 recs
But read what these reporters say

The Rev. Michael Pfleger's bizarre, inexplicable, tin-eared mockery of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton earns a featured spot on the Obama-friend lowlight reel, alongside the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers in the loop that's going to haunt superdelegates up until (and possibly well beyond) the time that there's a nominee.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/s tory?id=3105288&page=1

They would seem to disagree with you, as I most respectfully do.

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 04:24PM | 0 recs
I couldn't care less if they disagree

with me. America has an issue with identifying racism and the press is certainly not one iota better.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-30 04:27PM | 0 recs
Want unity? Start by answering questions.

Yep, I'm still here, alegre.  And so are my questions.  And I'd still like answers.

Yet again, the questions are:

To remind you, the questions are:

You have said in your diaries repeatedly that halving Michigan's delegate total would be unfair to your family in Michigan because their votes would only count half as much.  Yet, with the delegate total halved, one Michigan voter's vote would still count for 1/9361 of a delegate...whereas my vote in Wisconsin only counted for 1/15,044 of a delegate.

   1. How is that at all unfair to your family in Michigan?
    2. When are you going to start crusading on behalf of us poor, disenfranchised Wisconsinites?

   http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/23/1944 11/195#readmore

by Elsinora 2008-05-30 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Want unity? Start by answering questions.

Ignore Alegre. By my count, without Obama supporters, this thread would have less than ten posts. Ignore the troll. Ignore her now, and forever. She'll go away.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Want unity? Start by answering questions.

This is another pastor with whom Obama has had a deep relationship -- going back 20 years. Obama even won state-budget earmarks with $225,000 for programs associated with Pfleger's church while in the state senate, per the Chicago Tribune's examination last May.

"It happens that there were major supporters in my district who had been supporters before they got member initiatives," Obama told the Chicago Tribune a year ago, when those earmarks were first examined.

This is some sort of Obama nightmare -- and the venue is simply not to be believed.

Oh, these are just words from ABC reporters.  You can ignore them.

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 04:26PM | 0 recs
I recommended this diary

...just for your comment.

by Coldblue 2008-05-30 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: I recommended this diary

I appreciate it. Let's make it the last time we pay attention to this sort of flamebait.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:34PM | 0 recs
You're welcome

I'll try not pay any attention to flamebait comments any longer.

by Coldblue 2008-05-30 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Want unity? Start by answering questions.

Uprated for TR abuse.

by Massadonious 2008-05-30 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Is Obama going to be responsible for every individual that Trinity asks to speak there?

Short answer?

Yes.

by Captain Bathrobe 2008-05-30 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Obama did condemn what he said...so you don't know what you are talking about.

by gorebeatbush2 2008-05-30 04:25PM | 0 recs
Why did Obama have Pfleger

on his campaign website?  On a religious advisory council?  He had to have known of Pfleger's history of anti-semitism, no?

Pfleger was supportive of Minister Farrakhan in a 2006 controversy over terrible anti-semitic remarks. Pfleger criticized a mass resignation of Jewish members on a state of Illinois hate crimes commission:  http://www.nbc5.com/news/7782149/detail. html?rss=chi&psp=news

Pfleger said "good riddance" to the people who had left the commission. "Leave, go ahead and go on out, we don't need that kind of a spirit or mentality and a narrowness on that kind of commission. I'm glad they're gone," Pfleger said.

What was the issue?  A member of the commission, Sister Claudette Marie Muhammad, was the Nation of Islam's minister of protocol.

[She] "was under the radar until she invited other commissioners to attend a Farrakhan speech last month.  Criticism of Muhammad mounted after the speech, which included references to "Hollywood Jews" promoting homosexuality and "other filth."

The three Jewish commission members who resigned wanted Muhammad to repudiate Farrakhan's criticism of Jews, gays and other groups. The Jewish Community Relations Council, representing 46 Chicago-area groups, passed a resolution supporting the three commission members.

Here's the quote from Farrakhan that Pfleger implicitly supported.  http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pag es/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=698094

Farrakhan said, "These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It's the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality," and "Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government" over the war in Iraq.

Do you think Obama should have been courting Pfleger?  

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Why did Obama have Pfleger

Hahaha how many levels of guilt by association is that? Farrakhan to the nun to Phlegar to Obama.

You guys can't possibly take yourselves seriously.

by authority song 2008-05-30 05:09PM | 0 recs
keep grasping

one of these days the straws will be in your reach ....maybe ...maybe not have fun wit dat

by wellinformed 2008-05-30 05:59PM | 0 recs
NOt True

did he specifically use the word condemn?

Or has he merely just denounced?

Or has he merely just rejected?

I will not be satisfied until he denounces, rejects, and condemns.  And I need to hear all 3 of those words from Obama.

When I do, I'll tell you what he did wrong next.

It is this kind of poor judgment from the Obama campaign which is why the supers need to come out for Hillary.

Go Hillary.

by HillsMyGirl 2008-05-30 09:30PM | 0 recs
I'm sorry...

but I stopped reading after you gave credit to NoQuarter.

NoQuarter deserves no credit....for anything.

by Massadonious 2008-05-30 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sorry...

Obviously. But don't even give her the pleasure of responding to this hateful hit piece. If you ignore trolls, they go away. Simple.

by ragekage 2008-05-30 04:33PM | 0 recs
True..

But I doubt very much that Alegre is going to go away anytime soon, especially when she has the Tinfoilis44 crew reccing her diaries, and Jerome purging her ratings.

by Massadonious 2008-05-30 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

The cricket silent from Democrat elite to denounce this hate speech demoralize me.  No leadership from any of them.

The hate speech was unwarranted, disrespectful and disgraceful.

Guess who came out to make the above statement?

by JoeySky18 2008-05-30 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Clinton's campaign is much more positive.  She reaches out to people and condemns hate of all kinds.  Such as her speech in Beijing to support women.  Hillary Clinton is a great unifier, exactly the nominee the Democrats need at this time.

by Nancy Kallitechnis 2008-05-30 04:28PM | 0 recs
No need to ask here!

This is definitely SNARK.

by rf7777 2008-05-30 05:04PM | 0 recs
Bull.

Where has she been with respect to condemning the Muslim smears that appear here, on Taylor Marsh, on Hillaryis44 and on NoQuarter?

Indeed, she has encouraged such Hate Speech by saying "he is a Christian....as far as I know."

Hillary has NEVER condemned the racism inherent in some of her supporters.  

by Delaware Dem 2008-05-30 05:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Then what will you have left to write algre?

by lockewasright 2008-05-30 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Hillary Clinton's RFK comment "was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign."

"As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause."

Which of these descriptions is stronger:
"unfortunate", or
"divisive, backward-looking, doesn't reflect the country"?

You raised high hell over the first so-called condemnation, claiming that he was all but calling Hillary Clinton Sirhan Sirhan.

But the second condemnation, which is much stronger, isn't good enough for you?

by mistersite 2008-05-30 04:36PM | 0 recs
The best comment on this thread...

Alegre's selective outrage and intellectual inconsistency (and dishonesty) truly makes me feel sorry for her.  

Part of me suspects she may actually believe she is being reasonable, but part of me thinks that she often writes intelligently enough to suggest she really knows better.

This election is over -- and the only impediments to unity are Hillary Clinton (who I feel will be on board very soon, lest she risk Jerry Brown status) and folks like the diarist, Ferraro, and some folks who are truly grieving right now.  

But this whole episode, like many of Alegre's diaries, only confirm to me what we are fighting for.  Obama's campaign is a marked departure of the gotcha games Alegre, Clinton, McCain and Rove have traded in over the past few elections.  And this diary affirms to me that I made the right decision in supporting him.

Enough!

by Pragmatic Left 2008-05-30 05:31PM | 0 recs
Is This Snark?

Serious question.

by turtlescrubber 2008-05-30 04:37PM | 0 recs
How original n/t

by Coldblue 2008-05-30 04:41PM | 0 recs
I am recommmending this diary

because the irony is so delicious. Alegra is screaming about unity and Obama's failure to promote it. What has Alegra done to promote unity? Can anybody name one single thing?

Why is unity always the responsibility of the other?

Alegra obviously has a sense of entitlement -- that unity must come to her, on her terms. Actually that's not true. Alegra is not the least bit interested in unity as a concept. Her interest in unity begins and ends with its use as a bludgeon against Obama.

No, Alegra, I don't want unity with you, or with your other contemptible friends. If I experienced unity with you that would probably mean I was every bit as hypocritical and mean-spirited as you. No thanks, girlz.

by Black Anus 2008-05-30 04:40PM | 0 recs
Obama said

the following

"As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause.

The diarist has called for an apology, however I wonder how Obama can apologise for something which this priest has said. Obama did not say this. Of course he can, and should reject the message. He has done so...see above.

Despite Obama's rejection of the statement, the diarist asserts that he is guilty of

tolerance for these sexist and hateful attacks on Hillary - or women in general

However Obama's statement just quoted does not support this view, which if published with malicious intent, may be actionable.

The diarist contradicts themselves. On the one hand they make a call for Obama to disassociate himself from this man, yet the diarist refers, seemingly disapprovingly, to the fact that

Sen. Obama's campaign has scrubbed their web-site of any mention of Pfleger.

Further contradictions are evident in the fact that despite the fact that the diarist expresses concern that an association with this preacher may harm Obama, the diarist nonetheless has, it seems, few scruples about disseminating the video, and associating Obama with it, despite the fact that Obama has called the remarks "divisive" and, "backward-looking".

These remarks became public yesterday....but did not receive much publicity for much of today....no doubt the diarist's posting will contribute to its onward dissemination and transmission across the net. As a consequence I wonder whether it might not be argued that the diarist is engaged in unwarranted and unjustifiable muck-raking for political advantage.

by diranuk 2008-05-30 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity?

I'm ambivalent. I can take it or leave it. I guess that makes me both ambivalent and redundant.

Some one told me that my lawn guy took a leak in the bushes.

I have not fired him. I have not condemned him. I have not renounced him.

I also am not any more likely to take a leak in the bushes than I was before.

I don't like people who are silly, and have no desire to unify with them. Vote for McCain if you like. Move to NY if you want to vote for Hillary. That's the onliest way that dream is gonna come true.

by xdem 2008-05-30 04:44PM | 0 recs
I take comfort

knowing 24 hours from now, this will be done.

I bet some folks already have their big close post in the works.  

Oh, regarding the diary.  Jerome already made a front page post on this topic http://www.colossiansthreesixteen.com/wp -content/uploads/2006/07/flogger350x450. jpg

Best describes this diary.  

by nextgen 2008-05-30 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity?

and up goes another flag from the concern troll diary nation.

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-30 04:47PM | 0 recs
Fron the Frickin' Queen of Unity herself!

HA!

Four days, Alegre.  FOUR DAYS.

by rf7777 2008-05-30 04:48PM | 0 recs
it's shocking...

...that you can even post this considering your own use of Divisive hate speech.

Go Condemn yourself!  

by DawnG 2008-05-30 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: it's shocking...

Thank you Dawn G. The ugly, bitter, vile, vicious, hypocrisy of this diarist, who openly smears, slanders, libels, and despises our nominee with two republican talking point diaries a day for months, is beyond the pale.

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-30 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Is your troll rating snark?

Oh, that's only for Obama supporters.

Clinton supporters can troll rate whoever they want.

by DawnG 2008-05-30 04:52PM | 0 recs
Oh the outrage!

No matter what Obama said or did, Obama could have literally taken this guy and hurled him under a real bus, Alegre would have been 'outraged' by Obama's inadequate response.

This is about democracy people! Its undemocratic to not hold Obama accountable for everything every said by someone he's ever know.

This is just like Obama not seating FL/MI and his being sexist. They are equivalent. This is all about democracy!

Obama sexist hate speech crazy pastor unpatriotic naive cult undemocratic misogyny race baiting media unfair treatment outrage white voters bitter women's rights voter suppression disenfranchisement kool-aid reverse racism blah blah blah.

There's no end to the smears. Alegre is concerned by Obama's response to the new pastor. Yeah, right. No, but let's take this opportunity to post the video over and over again, because this is Hillary Clinton politics. Destroy the opponent by any means necessary.

I really want to move on. I want unity, so does Obama. But some of Hillary's supporters, and often the candidate herself, has no interest in it.

Want Unity, Alegre? Start by writing diaries that doesn't attempt to smear our candidate with claims of sexism. Start by writing something positive about someone other than Hillary Clinton. And please, stop with your nauseating diaries about how tough Hillary is that always end with demeaning Obama supporters by calling them "boyz."

One thing seems absolutely clear. Obama's problem with women is not coming from his actions. Its coming from Clinton and her supporters constantly trashing Obama as sexist, while building up McCain to be a champion of women's rights. Hillary Clinton playing the victim may not win her the nomination, but it certainly can peal away some of Obama support among women.
That's not unity. That's division. And those are Hillary Clinton's recent tactics. And that's this diary.

Obama's been about unity from the beginning of this campaign and he's never stopped being about unity. Stop the smears.

by BlueGAinDC 2008-05-30 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh the outrage!

Absolutely awesome reply, I had to log in just to give you some mojo.  Thanks!

by JimmyJames01 2008-05-30 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Don't forget Rev. Wright, who devoted his Christmas Day sermon to ranting that Hillary has never been called a ni--er" so can never know what it's like to see someone less qualified get the job she has earned.  It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I think that's what angers me the most.  As a Dean supporter in 2004, I've been plenty sad before, but nothing like this.  For all that you could say about Kerry -- he's wooden, he's boring, oh shut up already -- at least you couldn't say he was unqualified.  

That is the most unkindest cut of all.

***A

by adrienne4dean 2008-05-30 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

"all we get are more of the same half-assed statements ("deeply disappointed") from camp Obama distancing himself from."--alegre

Even John McCain sounded more forceful in defense of Hillary than our Man-of-Peace-Here-on-Earth. What is it with all this effete "deeply disappointed" milquetoast comment. Is this some sort of psuedo retro Brit cool. "Frightfully dissapointed old chaps you know how it is." This is the sort of talk you expect from a low ranking State Department official. Even Cardinal George got it in his swift reprimand to the hapless Pfleger. The problem is Obama really thinks Clinton supporters will come round. Heck, the great African chief will command Hillary and Bill to go out there and get their stupid supporters to come round otherwise he will destroy their legacies. Obama is clearly not feeling the heat yet.

by superetendar 2008-05-30 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

Hmm..."Snark." LOL. Is the new trendy tween speak word of the week to the kiddie patrol from the Obama high command? I love these intellectually calorie free terms that have all the effect of a damp rag. Surely you can come up with something more effective eh? Is there a list from the Obama camp? Troll and snark are just about done. What's next?

by superetendar 2008-05-30 05:46PM | 0 recs
Actually they're the diarist's words.

by Builderman 2008-05-30 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually they're the diarist's words.

Surely the words are not copyrighted hmm...but you are desperate to suck all meaning, to repeat them reducio ad absurdum.

by superetendar 2008-05-30 07:27PM | 0 recs
Look at the flies you attract, A.

n/t

by Jess81 2008-05-30 08:03PM | 0 recs
I just watched the video and...

...apparently the priest is not aware that women are the most oppressed minority in the world.  In terms of numbers and degree of harm there is no minority worse off than women (and girls). This priest does not know what it's like to be a woman in a world dominated by men politically, economically and socially.

by Nancy Kallitechnis 2008-05-30 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I just watched the video and...

I'm shedding the world's tiniest tear for Hillary, as one of the world's most oppressed minorities.  Actually, that would have to be most oppressed majorities, since there are more women than men in the world.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-30 10:48PM | 0 recs
Read Mark Shields' Take

Mark Shields is a syndicated columnist, appearing here on the PBS News Hour:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/ jan-june08/credentials_05-30.html

MARK SHIELDS: I think it is a problem. I think that Father Pfleger in that video that we saw makes a stronger case against the electability of Barack Obama than has ever been mounted by the Clinton campaign. It raises those kinds of questions, Ray.

And I think that it was the worst possible message at the worst possible time. It was sexist and it was racist both, that message was. And I really do think that, at a time when Barack Obama is reaching out, especially to white women, many of whom are zealous in their support of Hillary Clinton, but who are lukewarm, if not hostile to Barack Obama, it's the worst possible message.

And to bring up that moment in New Hampshire when an awful lot of women identified with her, when Hillary Clinton, in my judgment, having been in New Hampshire at that moment, was very much authentically responding to a human kindness, and then was savaged by male commentators on cable television, I think that was this moment when vast legions of American women voters identified with Hillary Clinton.

And so to revisit that, Father Pfleger did just an enormous disservice. I think Obama, in his own interest and interest of decency, owes her a call and a public apology for what was said in that video.

That is blistering.

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Read Mark Shields' Take

Wasn't Mark Shields also the pundit who savaged Hillary Clinton for her offensive, gratuitous, reckless, and insensitive remark about Sirhan Sirhan's tragic assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.?  So, you think Mark Shields is on point when he calls on Obama to apologize for something someone else said, but he was just a raving sexist when he criticized Clinton for her own offensive words?  

by ProfessorReo 2008-05-30 05:28PM | 0 recs
OK

I condemn your hate speech.

:!)

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-30 05:10PM | 0 recs
Not a Friend

Jake Tapper is playing fast and loose with the facts.  He provides a link to two sources for his claim that Pfleger is Obama's "friend."  Neither of the sources ever mention the word friend or talk about Obama's relationship with Pfleger as one of friendship.  There's just nothing there that tells us very much about the extent or nature of their relationship.  

Just because some blogger says something about Obama doesn't mean it's necessarily true.  Jack Tapper couldn't even say Pfleger and Obama, "as far as he knows," because he doesn't provide any proof of Obama's friendship with Pfleger.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-05-30 05:16PM | 0 recs
He was a pork and political friend

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q= ZDI0OTE5YWQzMDYxMWRhNDg3M2IzYzcxM2Q1MDU0 OGM=

Pork Payback for the Pfleger Endorsement in 2000?   [Greg Pollowitz]

In 2000, Rev. Pfleger endorsed Barack Obama in his House race over incumbent Bobby Rush. Here's what Rev. Pfleger said at the time (Chicago Sun-Times, 2/29/2000, purchase required):

   More than a dozen South Side ministers said Monday that they won't back U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush's re-election effort because he has not been an aggressive leader for his district. The ministers, including the Rev. Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina Catholic Church, 1210 W. 78th Pl., said they would instead back state Sen. Barack Obama (D-Chicago), citing his grass-roots background in their communities.

   Pfleger said that for hard-pressed areas on the South Side "to receive the resources, opportunities and advantages that are afforded other communities and other individuals in this state, it's going to take someone like Barack Obama."

   Pfleger has supported Rush for Congress in the past but said that "in the years he has held that seat, I haven't seen the kind of changes we need to see in the 1st Congressional District."

The $225,000 in Obama-grants announced in early 2001 to Pfleger's church isn't change you can believe in.  This is change financed by the taxpayers of Illinois.

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: He was a pork and political friend

A "political friend?"  What in the world is that?  Whatever, but Alegre is insinuating that there is a much stronger relationship between Obama and Pfleger than one of "political friendship."

by ProfessorReo 2008-05-30 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

I was waiting for you to talk about the racism AND sexism thats going on, but of course you're one-sided.

So go away, Alegre.

by heyhellowhatsnew 2008-05-30 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Ferraro?  Are you kidding me?  Cmon - you need to stop wanting it both ways ... thank God this is over next week.  

by stryan 2008-05-30 05:17PM | 0 recs
Alegre...you first.

Condemn, denounce, reject and repudiate FOREVER Geraldine Ferraro and every single one of Hillary's supporters who have spread the lies about Obama being a Muslim.

Do it right now.

I am waiting.

You have absolutely no credibility on this point unless you post a diary immediately demanding that Hillary repudiate them.  

Do it now.

Your hypocrisy is astounding.   You tolerate what you call "hate speech" so long as it is directed at Obama.  But God forbid something says something disrespectful about or towards Hillary.  

by Delaware Dem 2008-05-30 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre...you first.

Why should she apologize for Ferraro calling Obama a sexist and racist, on more than several occasions on national t.v. and in a national op-ed piece, if Ferraro is right?  You're only a sexist and a racist if you are a sexist and a racist.

But, when Hillary gets called on for using her white racial entitlement to complain about her losing, then the person calling her racist is racist, because Hillary is not racist.  Get it?  

So, to be clear, anyone associated with Obama is racist and sexist because they just are.  And Obama, too, of course.  

Hillary and anyone associated with Hillary - Bill, Geraldine Ferraro, her campaign staff who circulated those pictures of Obama in traditional Muslim dress, are upright citizens, and if you accuse them of playing the race card against Obama, you are racist.  And sexist.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-05-30 05:34PM | 0 recs
Ah the bizzaro world in which they live.

by Delaware Dem 2008-05-30 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre...you first.

Geraldine Ferraro has not said anything hateful or bigoted once on this campaign.

this is just more hatred and bigotry on the part of the Obama crowd by saying she has.

by HillsMyGirl 2008-05-31 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Are your troll-ratings snark?

I would guess they are a reaction to you having never contributed all to the site and only try to disrupt and troll. Your name is an attack, you every post is the same spam, so you wonder why you got hidden?

by zerosumgame 2008-05-30 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Clinton folks keep using words that don't quite mean what they think they mean...

"disenfranchisement"
"hate speech"
"sexism"

In other news:  Alegre, you were the subject of my diary today, in which I make the argument that in the Democratic nomination process your vote is more important than mine -- and there's no snark involved:

"The value of Alegre's vote"

by chinapaulo 2008-05-30 05:33PM | 0 recs
With friends like this

who needs enemies?  Wouldn't you expect this minister to be sensitive after the Wright affair?  Are all of Obama's religious advisors THIS arrogant?  Obama needs to speak out loudly against this man---whether he's a friend or not. You simply can't condemn this kind of language, this kind of hatred loudly enough.  It's not only sexist, it's racially offensive to people of all races.  When one race is singled out negatively, it's an insult to ALL of us.

by izarradar 2008-05-30 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: With friends like this

Why was Pfleger's statement racist?  He said that, in his view, Hillary Clinton was invoking white racial entitlement to complain about the fact that she lost.  How does that make him a racist, someone who believes in the inherent inferiority of a race of people and hold negative stereotypes of that group?

The sexism charge has more credibility, but the racism charge is nonsensical.  

If you're right, Amy Poehler is racist and sexist because she sarcastically joked that Hillary Clinton is someone willing to stoop to the race and gender card.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-05-30 05:38PM | 0 recs
Give me a Break

Amy is an actress, genius.  Not exactly the same profession as a a man of the pulpit.

by izarradar 2008-05-30 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: With friends like this

Actually, I think Obama needs to break from Trinity church.  Did you see how happy those people were?

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: With friends like this

It was frightening, wasn't it?

by NJ Liberal 2008-05-30 09:54PM | 0 recs
Is THIS snark?

Probably not.  But every time you dismiss a Clinton supporter, you only push us further out the door.  If you're that arrogant to think Obama won't need Clinton supporters IF he's the nominee...then please continue dismissing and interrupting our diaries.

by izarradar 2008-05-30 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Is THIS snark?

Just ignore this idiot. People are catching on; I'll hide-rate this whenever I see it.

by VAAlex 2008-05-30 06:21PM | 0 recs
I see.

Alegre doing this = okay, Obama supporters doing this = "pushing you out the door."

by Shem 2008-05-30 07:56PM | 0 recs
With friends like this, who needs friends!

by BJJ Fighter 2008-05-31 11:22AM | 0 recs
This has to be snark.

Stop the sour grapes, alegre. The war's almost over--all that's left is signing the armistice.

by shermanfireflyace 2008-05-30 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

I can't believe we are going to choose this secret Catholic Barack O'Bama as our nominee!!!

by Sarcastro 2008-05-30 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Obama should publicly condemn Pfleger for his insulting and racially-divisive comments.  What is the complaint of the Clinton camp? Obama's statement wasn't specific enough.  And sure, I can sign on to that.  I was "deeply disappointed" after I saw "Spiderman 3"--a more cogent explanation of both the offense and level of outrage felt would do everybody some good.

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-05-30 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Not enough.  If you read my previous comments, Pfleger specifically supported Farrakhan in one of those frequent flaps the Minister gets into when he makes anti-semitic statements.  That was 2006.  That was the time to cut off Pfleger.

But maybe there something deeper here.  Maybe Obama believes this stuff and that's why he's been a friend for 20 years.

by katmandu1 2008-05-30 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Could Obama have issued a stronger statement?  Sure.  But, I'm sure the Obama camp must be privately frustrated and feeling dissed by Hillary, who still to this day has not accepted any personal responsibility for a statement that she herself made that was offensive and deeply troubling for Obama and for his supporters.  Instead, Clinton not only issues a false, non-apology, the non-apology is directed only at the Kennedys and pretends that it has nothing to do with Obama or has any impact or effect on him.

It's quite amazing that black supporters of Obama have remained very muted and silent while witnessing Hillary's relentless character attacks on Obama.  When one person is caught on tape expressing the real frustrations and anger the African American community feel towards Hillary Clinton, the same Clinton supporters who've been piling on Obama react hypocritically with righteous indignation.    

Clinton supporters are calling on Obama to reach out to white female Clinton suppporters and to show that he is serious about women's issues.  Fair enough.  But, I hope these same white female Clinton supporters also will be serious about repairing the breach Hillary and Bill have created with the African American community.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-05-30 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Isn't there a missing call for donations and a button that you get credit for?  I want to think that you are too ashamed to link Hillary's donation button to this diary...I really would like to think so.

by Sychotic1 2008-05-30 05:39PM | 0 recs
White privilege

Too Sense nails this:

So let me get this straight: it's no longer kosher for a white man to publicly criticize a white woman for believing (or acting as if she believes) that her whiteness gives her some kind of entitlement to the political office she seeks? If that's the case, who exactly has the right to criticize white people for their racial conduct? Black men can't do it, as shown by Rev. Wright. Now white men can't do it, based on the response to Fr. Pfleger. Who's left? Albinos?

We are seriously taking this whole "protect the honor of the white folks" thing too far. I'm white as a motherfucker, genetically speaking, and I claim every right in the world to speak to, and about, my people. The dumb shit they do and say affects my name and stature in the world, so I get to have an opinion, and I get to voice it. End of story. Now, it so happens that I also believe that black folks have the right to criticize white people, but even if you want to take that off the table, how in the hell can you say that white people don't have the right to tell their fellow white people to get their shit together?

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-30 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Is my assessment of the content of this diary.  Recycled....rehashed... insincere

by nextgen 2008-05-30 05:50PM | 0 recs
Want Unity? Here's an idea -

Stop looking for slights, imagined or real to get upset about.

Stop trying to manufacture controversy.

Stop demanding special treatment because you're more of a victim than your opponent.

Stop treating your Democratic fellows like the enemy.

Stop writing bullshit diaries like this.

Oh, and while you're at it, stop demanding or accepting special treatment from the admins of this site.  I don't think anyone's adequately explained why you can still post and rate when 50 Obama supporters had their privileges taken from them for doing what you've done with Troll ratings.

by nightsweat 2008-05-30 06:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Even McCain made a more relevant comment about it than Obama did.  At least you got a clue that it was an attack made against Clinton when McCain spoke and condemned it.  When Obama spoke, you had no idea what he was talking about and therefore it was a worthless effort on his part to say anything at all.  

Come on Obama, step up and show that you have some presidential characteristic and are not trying to get yourself out of all your problems by him hawing around.  Be direct, have courage,be a leader and be strong, or don't be anything.  Weakness is so pathetic to watch.

by Scotch 2008-05-30 06:07PM | 0 recs
Even Shields and Brooks on PBS agree

that Obama's apology was too tepid, he should personally apologize to Hillary with a private phone call AND make a public statement. That was nice to see.

by catfish2 2008-05-30 06:14PM | 0 recs
Now say it like you mean it.

You don't really mean it!  No, really.  

What kind of third grade crap is this.  Grow up!

by nightsweat 2008-05-30 06:27PM | 0 recs
Words were tepid and

he never mentioned Clinton by name.

by catfish2 2008-05-30 06:30PM | 0 recs
As far as you know..

by Massadonious 2008-05-30 06:32PM | 0 recs
No - read the statement. You know.

"I've been impressed by what unites us rather than what divides us..." and Hillary is mentioned not once.

by catfish2 2008-05-30 06:37PM | 0 recs
by Massadonious 2008-05-30 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

I hate this crap so much.  I mean, it was less than a week ago you and your lot were complaining about the unfair treatment about something Clinton (actually HER) said that was extremely offensive to many people, yet here you are doing the exact same thing.

Where are you when Gerry is spewing her racist crap against Obama? Or is that a "non-issue" because you think it's true?  Where were you when Hillary implied MLK wouldn't have gone anywhere without white people?  That was a stupid unintentional gaffe too, and I even defended Clinton, but here you are leaping on every little straw you see because you can't STAND the fact that your hero is going to lost this primary.

Obama is not this man.  Are you going to condemn him for everyone he has ever had a connection to?  By the same token Clinton must be the most sleazy person in Washington.  Is she responsible for Bill's perjury charge?  I think so.  In fact, she should go on record and condemn her husband for being a known liar?  Think that's unfair?  Of course, that's because it is.  Hillary Clinton is not Bill (though you wouldn't know it from the way her supporters talk sometimes), and by the same token, Barack Obama is not Pfleager, Wright, or Rezco.

by brathor 2008-05-30 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

You know it's funny...

All the while people have been insisting that it's Obama's supporters who are treating him like the New Messiah.

Yet it seems like it's his haters who have this unwavering need to nail him to the cross for all of the rest of humanity's darkness.

The final irony, Alegre... ?

He probably forgives you too for you know not what you do.

Good night.

by CanuckinMA 2008-05-30 07:40PM | 0 recs
by Massadonious 2008-05-30 06:27PM | 0 recs
God Alegre

I will be so happy when you have nothing left to write about.

Your motivation is clear. You take your marching orders from Team Clinton.

I sincerely hope they are done by next Wednesday then we can get on to important things other than worrying about whether some 60-year-old is going to throw a temper tantrum.

by LtWorf 2008-05-30 06:32PM | 0 recs
Troll Diary

by ImpeachBushCheney 2008-05-30 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Both sides will have to condemn that speech. Best done jointly as part of bringing the party together. Supporters of both sides have done it. Having only O do it and only for sexism is another way of saying he and his have been wicked, but the ones who did the Muslim thing, the 'go back to Africa', the dialect posts, the reparations nonsense, the terrorist stuff, the UnAmerican stuff, and all of that, never happened. Healing is needed on both sides.

by Christy1947 2008-05-30 06:40PM | 0 recs
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I think what the guy said is dumb, but from what I read, I fail to see how it is considered as hate speech.

by venavena 2008-05-30 06:40PM | 0 recs
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This priest is full of hate and is pandering to the congregation, encouraging racism. When you put "white" and "entitlement" together and point the finger at someone...that's divisive and hateful. This church is promoting this type of rhetoric. The current pastor gave a "pat on the back" to Pfleger after he spewed his hate.

by soyousay 2008-05-30 07:22PM | 0 recs
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I guess I've used hate speech then b/c I've used "white" and "entitlement" together in describing a group.  As a matter of fact, by your definition I use hate speech often, so that's probably why I'm unable to look at this in the same way others are.

by venavena 2008-05-30 07:30PM | 0 recs
It's the money, honey

.
This is someone for whom Obama earmarked public funds.  There is not a long political track record for Obama, but funding going to Pfleger's projects is part of the Obama's political accomplishments and that says a lot about his values and decisions.  

Did Pfleger wake up yesterday and start his hate campaign?  Surely he's been doing it awhile. How is funding a hater part of the resume of a uniter?

I want to support Obama if he's the nominee, and maybe he has good reasons for his actions.  But he's got to do more than just get "disappointed" when one of his political beneficiaries goes nuts in public and spews hate.  

Shoot the messenger (Alegre) all you like It's a matter of class--it's a matter of showing worried democrats that Obama really is the
person he says he is.  

by rosabud 2008-05-30 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: It's the money, honey

Worried Republicans, you mean.

Real Democrats wouldn't smear other Democrats.

by Massadonious 2008-05-30 06:50PM | 0 recs
I will start by condemning...

...this diary. That's the only hate speech I see.

by Mystylplx 2008-05-30 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I will start by condemning...

you must be blind

by soyousay 2008-05-30 07:13PM | 0 recs
Reading the responses to this diary

has been very discouraging to me.

If Obama supporters can't find it in their souls to condemn hate when it is served up on a platter in front of them, then I really fear for the outcome of this election.

I've been saying all along that I would vote for Obama if he is the nominee, but there is a point beyond which common decency and self-respect won't bend.

If this keeps up, I really don't think I will be able to link arms with the Obama campaign.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-30 07:34PM | 0 recs
Then Alegre's work is done.

Look, this is the point: Obama condemned Pfelger's comments immediately and in no uncertain terms.

It was 100% predictable that that would not be enough for the usual trolls.

The usual trolls also lend support to racist sites like NoQuarter.  

If you want to have a serious conversation about all this, I'd be happy to.  Alegra doesn't want that - she's just hoisting her dirty underwear up a flag.

by Jess81 2008-05-30 08:06PM | 0 recs
It's creating an environment

where Hillary hate is accepted and even encouraged. I do not feel safe in an environment like this.

by catfish2 2008-05-30 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: It's creating an environment

Really.  What do you think is going to happen to you?  

by Jess81 2008-05-30 10:06PM | 0 recs
I agree?

I think Obama should renounce this guy in the strongest terms, and separate himself completely from the Trinity Church, and all churches for that matter.

That Priest was a total Dick!

And after attending Catholic School for 10 years I know a dick Priest when I see one, shut up! your moral high ground is no higher than Hagy's or Wright's or Falwells.

A bunch of clowns.

by Silence Do Good 2008-05-30 07:36PM | 0 recs
Apparently..

it's only hate speech when it's leveled against Clinton.

When it's direct towards Obama, it's "true"

The hypocrisy is amazing.

I'll call for Barack to directly apologize to Clinton for this, as soon as she Clinton apologizes directly to Obama for Ferraro, and what her husband said after the SC primary.

by Massadonious 2008-05-30 07:38PM | 0 recs
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You couldn't even be bothered to quote his denunciation, just Wolfson's denunciation of his denunciation.

This is weak, guys.

by rfahey22 2008-05-30 07:54PM | 0 recs
I don't know what's going on in these churches,

but it seems that they do everything but worship god. I am a catholic, we have very boring services and sermons and i haven't been in a church in more than 10 years now, but this kind of behavior have no place in the house of god. Mocking people from the pulpit, that's just unbecoming. And our supporters should say so and shouldn't try to rationalize this nut case rant. I have never seen a priest or a man of god mocks people in demeaning ways from the pulpit. Goodness gracious, aren't they supposed to be humble, to lead by example and to show the way of god. Is this the way of god? What kind of example are they setting  and showing the kids in that church?

More disturbing is his whole crazy speech about reparations. This is what he said in his rant: "get the sucker who has been rapping me and make him pay". What does that mean really? When hear it and i hear reparations. We need to be vigilant and stump and kill this reparations speech before it gets out because it scares the living light out of a whole lot of people out there.

by likelihood zero 2008-05-30 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

No, it is not.

by likelihood zero 2008-05-31 05:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

Congratulations! You now take up most of the hidden comments page! We get it! You can stop now!

by Mobar 2008-05-31 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

"Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech"

This diary was cross-posted at No Quarter, which, among other things, is being investigated by the Secret Service for threats against Obama's life.

Alegre, you're a hack.

by Rumproast 2008-05-30 08:26PM | 0 recs
I resent

you telling me I'm pissed off.  I am a white woman who is so tired of being told how I'm supposed to feel about Hillary.  Don't lump us all together, because believe me, we don't all feel the same about these issues.

I don't think Father Pfleger's remarks were necessary nor true. It's not 'hate speech' though. We (society) have this way of putting labels on things because it suits our needs.  I agree with something posted up top, this guy's rant about social justice should never had anything about Hillary in it, because while what he said is basically what the late night shows say all the time, it has no place in a church.

Senator Obama has already made a statement regarding the remarks which was a lot more apologetic and forceful than that wishy washy statement that was supposed to be an apology by Senator Clinton to the Kennedy's about RFK's assasination.  And Geraldine Ferraro's remarks should also be denounced by the Clinton campaign because they're on the same level of stupidity as this priest's.

by Kyrial 2008-05-30 08:36PM | 0 recs
The Current Queen Of Hate Speech

Deluuuuuuuusionalllll....

Hope, change, and inspiration don't do it. A speech on racism might persuade editorial boards, but to these voters it's "just words." Obama has less than six months to make the case.

That when he said in South Carolina after his victory `Our Time Has Come' they believe he is telling them that their time has passed.

by PD1769 2008-05-30 08:43PM | 0 recs
Alegre, you fail to research your diary

I live in Chicago, so I know from what I speak. Father Pfleger is on the front lines defending the lives of inner city kids, feeding needy families and trying to make life bearable for some very unlucky, non-elite people whom so many Hillary supporters here claim they represent.

You know, the urban equivalent of kids from WV and KY.

Yet the diarist says that the $225,000 that Obama directed towards the church is some way of tying him to the man in a negative way.

I don't expect queenbee of denial to address my point, but I wanted people on this site to know this man, even flawed, still does good things.

Much like many people, this man shot his mouth off and said some horrible things, which Obama must address, but he is a good man.

Hillary supporters, I know there has been sexism, but you paint with a very broad brush.

Before you know it, everyone will be sexist and racist except your hardy band of diehards, and then the world will be a lonely place.

So Alegre, stop bashing people you know nothing about, because the tasteless words spoken by this man don't negate his life's work, and they don't change the results of the nomination process, not one bit.

by blue2008 2008-05-30 08:51PM | 0 recs
Trinity "United" Church..kind of ironic?

Given that one of Barack's talents is supposedly his ability to unite people, the church that he has attended for 20 years first gave us Jeremiah Wright, and now this creature Fr. Phleger (to whom Barack directed a grant of $150,000 while he was a State Senator). Kind of like Alien being followed by Predator...

In the now-inoperative Philadelphia speech, Obama tried to excuse Rev.Wright with a kind of Moral Equivalence: the elderly relative who uses racial epithets is no different from a pastor who screams hate and invective regularly from the pulpit. Several weeks later--claiming that he "hadn't seen" the Wright vitriol that the rest of us had been watching in the media for over a month, Barack threw Jeremiah under the bus.

You see, Barack was for Reverend Wight before he was against him.

Aside from the disconnect between being a "uniter" and at the same time a follower of Wright's hate-filled theology, this also calls into question Obama's frequent claims of having superior "judgment". If these are his pals from the Chicago days, it makes you wonder who will be wandering around an Obama White House!

Bottom line, a lot of Dems don't enjoy seeing a former First Lady and NY Senator subjected to this kind of disrespect. We've heard Senator Clinton described as a "monster" and the "Senator from Punjab". Last Friday, when she made a clumsy historical reference to the RFK asssasination, Obama groupies like Michael Goodwin (NY Daily News) and Fr. Phleger suggested that Hillary was trying to suggest something sinister.

Good luck, Obam-orons. In Dale Carnegie's words, you have a strange way of "winning friends and influencing people". At this stage of the game in 2004 and 1988, Kerry and Dukakis were +15 points ahead in the polls. In an awful year for the Republicans, your man is not even running even--and the GOP slime machine hasn't even gotten to work yet! Once the election is over, Barack and Michelle will have plenty of time to spend back in Chicago with the likes of "Father" Phleger and Jeremiah Wright.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-05-30 09:52PM | 0 recs
The more diaries like this I read on this site

The more convinced I am that, in the minds of some, the 2012 primary season has already started.

by redwoodsummer 2008-05-30 10:28PM | 0 recs
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by redwoodsummer 2008-05-30 10:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Want Unity?  Start by not characterizing every criticism as sexism and hate speech.  The thing is, you don't want Unity, and no one is believing you that you do.  There is nothing others can do, it's up to you.

by Piuma 2008-05-30 10:52PM | 0 recs
Excuse me.

Alegre, we don't want your vote, or your help.  You are unnecessary and your diaries are pitiful. You are paid, and even though this should encourage you to keep some shred of integrity when writing on here, it seems to take it away.  Every single one of your diaries are full of stretched truths and outright lies.

On top of that, I'd rather not have the .1 percent of the Dems who have become literally loony about this on Clinton's side.. than keep those same .2 percent and lose/piss off the rest of the rational 99.9.

White women do not need insane people telling them how they should feel.  I have this tiny feeling they might resent that just a tad.

Good luck job hunting after this Tuesday.

by AlexScott 2008-05-30 11:24PM | 0 recs
Through a Glass Darkly

I was so disturbed by Father Pfleger and his assault on Hillary...I can't even describe my emotions. Later, the anology of rape was like a personal violation. Just like with Wright, I felt Pfleger's words on a visceral level, and they opened a lingering wound.

Obama's surrogates were sent out in short order to announce to the world that "it wasn't Obama saying those things" and that he "effectively distanced himself from that priest". Those that say this incident will not have much effect on Obama's presidential aspirations are pissing in the wind.

Obama is absolutely unelectable. We won't forget the things that were said, and Obama cannot distance himself; these are his "peeps". This is his circle of friends...his "army buddies" in a personal war against the ills of Amerika through a glass darkly.

It is true that we are an imperfect country, and we are imperfect people in this imperfect union. But whites are no more imperfect than blacks or any other race and the sins of the fathers shall not pass to sons & daughters. We are not the enemy. So many caucasians holding deep prejiduce have passed on and fewer and fewer remain. However, it appears racism continues to be fostered in churches like those in Chicago and they just won't let it die. This makes me indescribably sad. It hurts to the core because I so believed that with every passing day we were moving beyond racial divisions in this country. Obviously some people are not ready to give it up -- and shock -they are not all white.

Father Pfleger is...and he should know better than to incite hatred in this way when progress is being made. You can't force understanding -- it doesn't come by bludgeoning with personal "truth". Understanding and inclusion come by knowing each other and finding shared values and human experiences -- person to person.

If only Obama and his spiritual advisors could understand this self-evident truth.

by everyvotecounts 2008-05-30 11:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Through a Glass Darkly

you've clearly never experienced sexual assault. which is a good thing. please, for the sake of all those who have, shut the fuck up.

by skaiserbrown 2008-05-31 04:09AM | 0 recs
Unstinkingbelievable.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/ want-unity-start-by-condemning-hate-spee ch/#more-2819

You now are a diarist over at Larry Johnson's cesspool of hate and racism Nquarter?????? Are you shitting me?

He was a republican. He still is. His only goal is to smear, slander, libel and destroy Obama. That site is a stinking pile of disgusting garbage. I've never in my life seen such a vile insane web site.

His blog has called Obama a drug user, a murderer, it states he has affairs all the time with women like Samantha Powers, that he's a Muslim, that he's a terrorist in disguise, that he drinks, that he hates America, that he wants to destroy our country, that he hates all white people...the list goes on.

And that's where you post your vicious ugly b.s.?????????
You are nothing but a troll now. This confirms it. You should be banned.  And you have crossed the line posting this on there, and being a front page diarist on a site that exists only to destroy all Democrats.

For shame. For shame. For shame. That is how your diaries get recc'd so fast. You post to hate filled kkk sites and beg them to come over here and rec up your work. You do it at No Quarter, and Hillary is 44. For Shame!!!!!

by TheFullBerry 2008-05-31 04:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Unstinkingbelievable.
Nice going Psycho.
Perfect screen name for you by the way.
Alegra posts over that cesspool of democratic hate - i prove it, and you troll rate me. Typical.
Good to know you support a site and a man who calls obama a terrorist and a muslim and hater of america. You show your true GOP colors.
by TheFullBerry 2008-05-31 06:24AM | 0 recs
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What other vile, racist, and race-baiting fruit cakes are going to jump out of Obama's fruit cake closet. Not only is Obama friends with this guy, Pflegler was also on Obama's campaign until a few weeks ago. To make matters worse, Obama has steered state and federal earmarks to Pflegler's church.  

I no longer question whether Obama himself shares the same views as Wright and Pflegler; there is now no doubt in my mind that Obama holds these same views. Like minds think a like. Obama was not ignorant of how these men felt and preached. Obama is NOT post-racial. Obama is all hype.

The simple fact is that Obama and associates don't really want unity. They are doing just fine lining their pockets and building careers on the backs of people suffering and nursing wounds.  

by grlpatriot 2008-05-31 04:51AM | 0 recs
Answer--some guy named James Meeks

To your question, Obama told a reporter from the Chicago Sun Times (Apr.2004) that he had three "spiritual advisors"--Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, and Rev. Michael Pfleger.

Bottom line, does the Senator have any mentors who DON'T hate America and think all its people are racists? In the case of Pfleger, Obama can't claim he that he is ignorant of Pfleger's views as claimed to be of Wright's. He cannot have sat in the pews of Trinity "United", bringing his children there, and heard none of this.

At this point, his judgment and honesty--not to mention his true beliefs--are in question.

Several years ago, I left the Catholic faith of my upbringing, because the things coming from the pulpit were just too toxic. Too sexist, too homophobic, occasionally racist, and even anti-semetic. Above all, it was too exclusionary, chasing people out instead of drawing them in. But none of it was as vile as the vitriol spewed at Trinity United; nonetheless, I walked out and never looked back.

That Obama didn't have the balls to walk out of his "church" is regrettable. Somehow, I can't imagine Christ doing creepy impersonations of people, and screaming "God Damn America"....

by BJJ Fighter 2008-05-31 07:33AM | 0 recs
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I woke up to find this....
via notwenty-five cents?

nofucking 25cents..

unfuckingbelievable....

fuck no25cents

by nogo postal 2008-05-31 04:55AM | 0 recs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK 4U

by nogo postal 2008-05-31 04:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

GOP swift boating via fellow democrats?

Not this time..

We are not afraid!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqCYFpUAJ 2Q

by nogo postal 2008-05-31 05:01AM | 0 recs
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You wearing YOUR flag pin alegre&co

by nogo postal 2008-05-31 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Want Unity? Start By Condemning Hate-Speech

Ladies and gentleman our nominee..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3mOyuJvX 8U

(he has the grace I lack)

by nogo postal 2008-05-31 05:07AM | 0 recs
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Obama and his supporters are a bunch of hypocrites. You don't like hate speech against Obama but have no issue when someone does it to HRC. I don't think it was the Pastor that folks found offensive but all the call and response and apparent joy of the congregation when a white women was being slandered  and accused of every hateful thing under the sun. Disgusting.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-05-31 05:17AM | 0 recs
misogyny at its finest

by a catholic priest and political opportunism/convenient moral absence at its finest by the junior senator from IL.

The relentless obvious of humble math shows Obama needs HRC supporters votes to win in November.

I'm with you Alegre -- there's always the write-in option.

you go girl.

by dcrolg 2008-05-31 06:01AM | 0 recs
And you

could stop blogging on sites that have to issue warnings against posting death threats to the Democratic Nominee...

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/30/ warning/

by redwoodsummer 2008-05-31 09:50AM | 0 recs
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Yawn. Wake me when Alegre makes sense.

by Rationalisto 2008-05-31 10:12AM | 0 recs

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