Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Wow - I never expected this kind of a reaction to my declaration of independence from DailyKos last night but it seems I wasn't the only one who's sick and tired of being sick and tired over the hate, ignorance and hostility directed at Hillary and her supporters.  Now I won't link it here as I normally would because I don't want to drive traffic to the site, but my post made it up on to the Recommended list with over 60 recs, and well over 1200 comments posted (good, bad and meta). I hear they eventually had to shut off comments for fear of the site crashing because of it all.

First I want to thank everyone who signed on to our strike.  This will only work though if we stick to it and stay away from DailyKos guys.  No lurking.  No peeking in.  No tipping, rec'ing, commenting and for god(dess) sake - no diaries.  They get no traffic from us.  No ad revenues.  Not until they stop the hateful attacks, misrepresentations of Hillary and her record, and outright lies about her long record of dedicated public service.

Make the jump for an update on our strike...

I think it's important for us to thank Jerome for providing us exiles with a calm and reasoned place for us to exchange ideas and discuss the important issues of the day.  He not only left up my cross-post here knowing I was calling for a walkout from his friend's site, but he went and recommended my diary over there to tell everyone that he agreed with what I was trying to do - bring attention to the poisonous atmosphere in the hopes that DailyKos will one day return to it's roots by promoting all good and decent Democratic candidates.

The best way we can thank Jerome and the others here at MyDD is to keep it cool when we post here.  Try out best to ignore the spammers and haters, and follow our candidate's example by sticking to the issues and staying out of the flame-wars.

Now I've gotten quite a few emails over the past 24 hours.  Some are from the haters who say eff you I hope you all die but hey, I expected that.  I won't bother posting them here but I think they draw a sharp contrast between Obama's and Hillary's supporters.  I don't know about you but I would never think to send a nasty note to someone simply because I disagree with their choice of candidate.  Apparently, his supporters saw fit to send me nasty notes though (one guy even sent several!).

But I've also gotten some warm and wonderful notes from people hoping to join our "strike".  I thought it'd be great to share a few here...

A sincere thank you for s

Tags: 2008 elections, dailykos, Hillary Clinton, president (all tags)



Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Please remember to send Hillary whatever you can - this campaign doesn't run on love, sweat & muscle power alone!

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/fo rm.html?sc=ac0&rc=E5W3

by alegre 2008-03-15 07:32PM | 0 recs
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Alegre, another great diary, thanks.  Please see my new diary "Obama's Dance with America" for an update on the Wright issue.

by CalGirl 2008-03-15 07:34PM | 0 recs
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I will - add a link here and maybe you'll get some traffic there ;o)

by alegre 2008-03-15 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Also here:

http://theflatlandalmanack.typepad.com/v ersus/2008/03/in-support-of-t.html  (In Support of the Kos Boycott)

http://nuestravoice.com/?p=1619 (reference)

by ghost 2 2008-03-15 11:55PM | 0 recs
So do Obama supporters leave Mydd or what?

Is the New Hampshire of the blogsphere?  Have you all found your voice?

by Chavez100 2008-03-15 10:33PM | 0 recs
Re: So do Obama supporters leave Mydd or what?

The point here is that the conditions over at Kos were getting ridiculous with regards to how people supporting a certain candidate were getting treated.

I cannot believe how many of my comments actually got troll rated over there just because they were pro-Hillary!

Censorship of political discourse is untolerable and I am thrilled that this movement is underway.

It is one thing if most Kos readers are in favor of Obama (strange considering it was an Edwards lovefest there only one short month ago!) but it is quite another to bash another Democrat in order to propel his candidacy.

Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!  Her (and Obama's) supporters deserve to have a place at the table and a chance to discuss their choice candidate in a positive way at a blog like Kos, considering it is supposed to be progressives with the goal of ELECTING MORE DEMOCRATS.

Kos was not intended to be an extension www.barackobama.com.

I won't be back to Kos!

by jaydub799 2008-03-15 11:48PM | 0 recs
Re: So do Obama supporters leave Mydd or what?

I think you'll all be much happier here at MYDD. It's a Clinton love-fest all the time. It's best not to expose yourself to too much reality about your candidate. It's hard to keep drinking the kool aid when you can see what else is offered.

by godemsin08 2008-03-16 01:27AM | 0 recs
Re: I take umbrage

I am in the middle about Clinton and Obama. I see both of their strengths and weaknesses. But I have been appalled at the tone at DailyKos and by Kos' own willingness to do anything for his candidate, and to allow his site to devolve into a hate zone.

It might be misogyny on his part, or a willingness to look the other way when misogyny rears its' head. I don't know. But I find it SO disheartening for a so-called progressive Democrat to behave this way.

I don't see Jerome crossing the line the way Kos does. (I think Markos knows he went over the top about the video darkening, "racism" accusation, and that's why he got so defensive in his follow up posts. Save us from insecure tyrants who can't see their own mistakes, biases and failings. Sort of reminds me of, gosh, who was the guy? ...let me think....  oh yeah: W.)

I understand that it's impossible to police every diarist and posting, but some sort of regular statements about maintaining civil discourse, and refraining from hate speech, AND setting a personal example in one's own statements is not too much to ask. You don't have to be neutral, but you should make an effort to be fair and truly progressive.

We should be decrying baseless slurs against both candidates, and keeping the MSM as honest as possible. Because we'll need every last resource to beat McCain in the general.

I will vote for whoever our Democratic candidate is, happily. I'm not walking away and giving McCain an easy ride the the WH, and I hope anyone who has said otherwise comes to their senses.

Our planet can't tolerate another 4 years of Republican selfish & shortsighted administration.

by sarany 2008-03-16 04:18AM | 0 recs
Re: I take umbrage

I would like to take umbrage with one comment from the diary....

"I think they draw a sharp contrast between Obama's and Hillary's supporters...."

I tour a lot of the blogosphere on any given day, my mainstays are here (lurker for quite a while), Kos, TPM, Huffingtonpost, Politico, as well as some MSM blogs...

To be honest with you, I have seen vitriol on both sides.  For as many insults and arrows I have seen flung at Clinton supporters, I see them flung back at Obama supporters...  I once mentioned that I admired the way his campaign was being run and got called a "kid in search of a messiah"...although not quite as nicely.  For the record,  I'm a 40 year old heretic, so that could not be further from the truth.

The knives cut both ways.

I'm voting Democratic in November...  who the top of the ticket is will not impact that decision.  John McCain is simply that unacceptable...

I am hoping against hope that I have a lot of company... The party will need all of you.

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-16 07:24AM | 0 recs
Great take

And I agree, it's been both sides that have done it. Including, to my regret, me at times.

I think there should be a difference between a site dedicated to trash one candidate, like NoQuarter/Taylor Marsh, and sites that lean(heavily or not) towards one canidate.

I will say that MyDD and Talk left lean Hillary, while DailyKos and Open Left lean Obama. Heavily or not.

Wait, am I supposed to be posting here? I lean heavily towards Obama....but will vote for Hillary if she somehow wrangles the nomination. Ahh Hell, I ain't on no 'strike'.


I lean towards a boycott. heh-heh

I used to enjoy Alegre's diaries, they were one of the few good diaries about Hillary that allowed me to believe that supporting Hillary was ok if she won.

I don't like links to NoQuarter. They have gone way too far over there and look like some kinds of lunatics/freepers.

And that's what I don't get. Doesn't anyone know the difference between disagreeing and degrading? Differences on issues and innuendos that constitute charachter slimes?

Ahh well, consider this my middle of the road MyDD mini-diary.

by Dave Dial 2008-03-16 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: So do Obama supporters leave Mydd or what?

I disagree with your "Clinton love fest" assessment of MyDD. I was an Edwards supporter who is leaning Obama, but I couldn't take the hatred being spewed at Kos. And the poster above is right, the Obama darkening claims that Kos front-paged was the jumping the shark moment for me. That he hasn't had the class to apologize for those accusations just affirmed that I had made the right choice.

I see a fair amount of pro-Obama diaries here, though there is no doubt there appears to be more Clinton supporters. However, the invective here is considerably less than at Kos on both side. There are notable exceptions: I've seen overt racists here trashing Obama, and I've seen some of the same, non-thinking juvenile attacks on Clinton that dominate at Kos. But for the most part, it's been a far better place to visit.

by bouvougan 2008-03-16 05:53AM | 0 recs
Actually, the opposite is true...

It is the Obama supporters on DKOS who appear unable or unwilling to engage in substantive discourse on the democratic primary process. All I care about is electing a D in November. I am not firmly in either candidates's camp and will support either in November. However, the hatred and vitrol that masquarades as commentary on DKOS became too ugly to tolerate. The most vile rhetoric was directed solely to Clinton and her supporters by the legions of mob mentality Obamabots who lack even basic critical thinking skills. Avoiding hate is sane, not Kool Aid.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-03-16 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: So do Obama supporters leave Mydd or what?

Of course not. We need the comic relief of Hilarry "pie in the sky" delusionists at MyDD to offset our real world planning over at dkos with the REAL candidate for Change who reminds us that Yes We Can make things happen through unity and hard work and that is winning in EVERY category, not the "Change Candidate" who changed her mind on associating herself with positive change who's only "inevitable" attribute is that she is going to use her 35 years of corruption... I mean, "experience"... to try and steal the Democratic nomination which she has NO WAY of winning legitimately. Won't happen, but it's EXTREMELY fun reading people's distorted views here that try and shine a successful light on what will go down in history as one of the biggest Democratic campaign failures in American history. In terms of all time failures, we're talking: 1) 2000-2008/George W. Bush, 2)2008/Hillary Clinton's run for Democratic nomination (didn't even get to run for POTUS). Aaahh MyDD, how I enjoy thee. =D

by VT COnQuest 2008-03-16 11:37AM | 0 recs
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You know I really do like your positive work Alegre. Best wishes and all.

by Drewid 2008-03-15 07:36PM | 0 recs
Thank you, Alegre!

Thanks SO MUCH for all you've been doing to raise awareness about who Hillary Clinton really is and what she really stands for! You deserve ALL the attention your good work is finally getting! And thanks to what you're doing now, Kos will FINALLY be held accountable for what it's done to trash good Democrats like Hillary!

Solidarity forever! The strike is going on!

by atdleft 2008-03-15 07:54PM | 0 recs
Thank you alegre for your outstanding work! n/t

by DemAC 2008-03-15 09:05PM | 0 recs
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Great diary...I couldn't sign the diary at dkos but I'm on strike with you. You've always been the positive voice for Hillary and I'm glad others have noticed your line on the web. We can't allow ourselves to be abused, even if the msm seems to think that abusing women and Hillary is somehow right and fair.

by seattlegonz 2008-03-15 10:07PM | 0 recs
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Great diary...I couldn't sign the diary at dkos but I'm on strike with you. You've always been the positive voice for Hillary and I'm glad others have noticed your line on the web. We can't allow ourselves to be abused, even if the msm seems to think that abusing women and Hillary is somehow right and fair.

by seattlegonz 2008-03-15 10:07PM | 0 recs
DailyKos Writers Strike Isn't Reducing Traffic

The changes from 7 days ago include 6% more readers and 14% more recommending readers of 17% fewer diaries.


474 Kogs posted 474 diaries of which 442 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 4040 recommending readers and viewed by 10666

One week ago:

568 Kogs posted 568 diaries of which 514 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 3494 recommending readers and viewed by 10032

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-16 12:50AM | 0 recs
DailyKos Writers Strike Isn't Reducing Traffic

Traffic at D-Kos increased again on Saturday compared to one week ago. Viewers were up 3.79% over one week ago, and recommending readers were up 8% over one week ago.

Yesterday 420 Kogs posted 420 diaries of which 395 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 3707 recommending readers and viewed by 9473

One week ago:

Yesterday 480 Kogs posted 480 diaries of which 441 were recommended at least once by a cadre of 3412 recommending readers and viewed by 9127;
I looks like the strike is good for D-Kos but not in the way the strikers wanted.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-16 12:02PM | 0 recs
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has it occurred to you that the media is picking up on this not because they think dkos is nuts, but because they are in wonderment at how divisive this pointlessly quixotic campaign has become, and how hurtful it will be to Dems if Hillary takes this all the way to the convention floor?

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-16 02:08AM | 0 recs
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First, this won't go to the convention floor. It will be over by early June, just after the revotes in Michigan and Florida. Second, the claim that Hillary is damaging the party by not stepping aside is nonsense. There is no candidate who would have stepped aside in the position she's in right now.

If Edwards was in Hillary's place and still had a shot at winning, do you think he would quit? Not hardly. And as an Edwards supporter, I would be upset if he did. Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, any of them would still be in this race if their candidacy was in the same place as Hillary's. To demonize her and claim she's hurting the party for not stepping down is ridiculous.

by bouvougan 2008-03-16 06:03AM | 0 recs
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The point is she doesn't have a shot at winning. Even Bill said she really didn't have a chance if she lost TX or Ohio. Spin it however you want, but she lost TX. It is a two-step process, she won one step narrowly, lost the other widely and lost the total marginally.

Nowhere have I seen anybody show how she can reasonably win more pledged delegates. Any other path to the nomination ends there for her, at the nomination.

She can not win the GE after that. Obama supporters will not cross over to her after what many of them will see as an illegitimate win, only if she shows up at the convention with more pledged delegates ... partly because Obama will have dropped out by then! Even the most biased observer has to see that.

So, 1. Why is she still in it again?
      2. Mathmatically, how can she win more pledged delegates?

by BeekerDynasty 2008-03-16 07:51AM | 0 recs
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You are spinning if you think she didn't win Texas. Bill was talking about winning the primary vote, and she did that. It's about perception, and there is vitually nobody outside the Obama blogoshere that would agree with the claim that Obama won Texas.

Her path to the nomination is over if you assume it is simply the pledged delegates who will decide. But it isn't. The super delegates will determine the winner, and no matter what you or Nancy Pelosi might think or wish, they will vote for who they think can win in November, not just the pledged delegate winner. If Clinton ends the primary season with convincing wins in PA, FL, and MI, she stands a very good chance of being the nominee. Losing any of those ends her chances.

by bouvougan 2008-03-16 08:09AM | 0 recs
Obama meltdown...

That's Hillary's only hope. She is hoping that Rezko, Wright, something else...totally destroys Obama and she starts winning by 70-80%. It's totally wishful thinking but Hillary does have the right-wing smear machine working for her at this point. It's going to be a tough couple months for Obama.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-16 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama meltdown...

Like I said ...the right-wing smear machine is working for Hillary at this point. Good to see you.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-16 11:02AM | 0 recs
I honestly feel so much better..

by just avoiding the hate and vitrol that passes for "prograssive" blogging at DKOS. I applaud your bringing attention to this matter and showing how to respond to those who choose not to address the hate their site is advocating. There is NO reason to engage or confront the haters on that site. It's only logical to take rational discourse elsewhere. I had already made that decision but your efforts amplify it's effect and I think that is very important for the future.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-03-16 06:31AM | 0 recs
As someone who has been

on DKOS since 2002 you need to be called out:
You are lying about a "writers strike"

You are not a writer at DKOS.  You are not one of the Front Pagers who are the only people who can truthfully cliam to be "writers" at DKOS.  

You are a commenter.  That is all.

You have succeeded in misreprenting what you are at DKOS.

by fladem 2008-03-16 09:27AM | 0 recs
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I'm in Alegre. I didn't have a myDD account until just now, when I was linked to your diary by an anti-Hillary dKos diary. Now I have one and it's nice to read some sanity again! Kos's site has been garbage for a while, but it really hit the sewers when Kos himself started peddling the "Hillary made Obama blacker" BS. Last straw. Good to have a new site!

by heineken1717 2008-03-16 11:15PM | 0 recs
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"hey get no traffic from us.  No ad revenues.  Not until they stop the hateful attacks, misrepresentations of Hillary and her record, and outright lies about her long record of dedicated public service."

How will you know when the hateful comments have stopped ?

by SevenStrings 2008-03-15 07:34PM | 0 recs
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we'll settle for the attempts to find out RL information about us to stop ;-)
by campskunk 2008-03-15 07:38PM | 0 recs
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Shouldn't you be spending a spy over there every day or so...just to keep tabs ?

That is how the cold war was fought...

You need boots on the ground !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-15 07:43PM | 0 recs
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...sending a spy....

by SevenStrings 2008-03-15 07:44PM | 0 recs

by atdleft 2008-03-15 07:43PM | 0 recs

Markos knows where to find us. He can always post something here on MyDD letting us know he's taken care of his site. After all, didn't he start his whole entire blog enterprise by commenting here? ;-)

by atdleft 2008-03-15 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Easy...

That is a passive approach.

I would have advocated a more active approach.

An active approach is much more fun !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-15 07:51PM | 0 recs
Well, that's been the whole problem...

We rewarded Markos with page hits & subscriptions. And what did he do with them? He allowed the rabid, extremist Obama fans to trash not just Hillary, but all of us & all of Hillary's offline supporters as well. Hell, a few of them even resorted to THREATS TO FIND OUT OUR PERSONAL INFO & OUT US. Sorry, but the thuggery must end. The only way this ends is for us to stop rewarding Markos.

No more page views.
No more comments.
No more diaries.
No more subscriptions.

Until Markos & the rest of Kos admin takes care of these extremists, it's no more of that site for us.

by atdleft 2008-03-15 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, that's been the whole problem...

you know better than this.  DailyKos has always been anti-Hillary.  Anti-Clinton, really.  Certainly anti-DLC and anti-McAuliffe.

Obama supporters didn't take it over.  We joined up with Obama to stop the Clintons.

p.s.  How did DOMA and DADT work out for you?

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-16 02:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, that's been the whole problem...

Now you're making stuff up. Bill Clinton was deeply respected at Kos before this election cycle. He was the "big dog" and many rightfully credited him with turning the tide in the Democrats favor in the 06 elections when he scolded Chris Wallace on FOX. Only Al Gore was respected more at Kos than Bill. Hillary was criticized for her war vote, but overall was also viewed favorably.

by bouvougan 2008-03-16 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, that's been the whole problem...
Well said and true, bouvagon. Hey,the term Clenis even is in dkosapedia.
Well maybe Zbig can be a featured speaker at YearlyKos now.
by durendal 2008-03-16 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, that's been the whole problem...

it's not Kos.  It's all the Kossacks.  88% of us

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-16 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, that's been the whole problem...

Do you still believe women are responsible for date rape, DA?

by truthteller2007 2008-03-16 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, that's been the whole problem...

Can someone point me to this "seeking real life info" thing? I didn't see it happen and I'd like to see examples. Is this one random threat or some credible concerted action?

by mattw 2008-03-16 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, that's been the whole problem...

I really don't want to stir up a hornet's nest...but, I keep seeing references to users at Dkos trying to find out RL info about other users. Thus far...all I have seen are people saying it happened....I did not see it, and I have not seen it linked to. Did it happen? More than once? More than one user advocating such a horrible thing? When? Can you link to it?

I am not saying it did not happen (I have seen users resort to such nastiness before...but, only directed at another individual user and even then it was smacked down with a quickness)....but, the way it seems to be being presented is that it was a tactic embraced and accepted by a whole group of supporters. Is there any evidence of it.

Thanks in advance.

Fight the good fight.

by Kysen 2008-03-16 04:47PM | 0 recs
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I hope that all bloggers will show that they are above name-calling and they can engage in respectful dialogue with people with whom they disagree.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-15 07:35PM | 0 recs
I was banned for DKos a while ago



by venice1789 2008-03-15 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Arbitrary admin action

Many Hillary supporters have been arbitrarily banned and censored. The "recommends" Alegre's diary received was significantly understated, since the ability of many Kossacks to recommend pro-Hillary diaries was removed by zealous pro-Obama administrators.

by KnowVox 2008-03-15 08:03PM | 0 recs
WTH are you talking about

Since when has anyone now been allowed to rec diaries? They took comment rating ability away from many users, of all camps.

by Drewid 2008-03-15 08:13PM | 0 recs
Miss Laura's Christmast Eve Hissy Fit

Took the ratings abilities away from about a dozen pro-Hillary members of the community.

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Well we're here to apply a bit o' heat to that iceberg.  

by alegre 2008-03-15 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Miss Laura's Christmast Eve Hissy Fit


I think it was many more than a dozen. I can still log in but cannot comment or rate. So you don't know that I've lost my ability to do so. You can still read my diary page, and subscribe (though I can't post new diaries). I think I've met several dozen in just my wanderings around the internet. They wanted TR me but I didn't break the rules (not that it stopped them). Eventually, they just gave up and got one of the administrators to suspend my posting privileges. But I can still log in and see who is talking about me. And three months later, they are still talking about me. Weird.

by Little Otter 2008-03-15 09:25PM | 0 recs
Wrong about Arbitrary admin action

Many on BOTH sides lost their ability to rate COMMENTS to cut down on flame wars, but those users can still Rec. Diaries.

So your claim about the Recs. Alegre's diary received is just plain wrong:

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-16 01:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong about Arbitrary admin action

And this continues to be the case — indeed, immediately before I read this message last night, I was over on dK, where I was reading someone whinging about haiving lost their ratings privileges... for having TR'd Peter Daou, it turned out.

by Ray Radlein 2008-03-16 05:35AM | 0 recs
Got any

site for this.

by fladem 2008-03-16 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Arbitrary admin action

Ratings privileges were pulled from supporters from all camps (including the Edwards camp). It was based on comments rated/uprated, not on who one supported. For example...both TomP and Geekesque lost their privies around the same time. At that time I know FOR SURE that neither of them were Hillary supporters. There were a couple LONG threads about it when it happened...but, if you read through them you can see that all 3 camps got hit pretty equally.

Personally, I find it ridiculous that ANY of the supporters had those privileges removed. But, that's just my opinion.

by Kysen 2008-03-16 04:52PM | 0 recs
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alegre even got a mention on huffingtonpost- AND drudge. you KNOW you're notorious when drudge picks up on your story.
by campskunk 2008-03-15 07:40PM | 0 recs
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Heh - I saw that and thought of updating with a link to the HuffPo bit, but when you click on "read more" it takes you to the dkos post.

I don't want people going there - no way.

by alegre 2008-03-15 07:58PM | 0 recs
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Ah, then the cause must be worthy... if Drudge is picking up on it.

No chance you are overreacting, making broad-based, anti-Democratic Party statements if Drudge is picking up on it.

Maybe, just maybe, it's a primary race in which invective is getting way out of hand. But luckily, you've found a home here, where us Barack Obama supporters (also known as those who understand math and believe that destroying the Democratic candidate who is most likely to end the day with the most delegates is a HORRIBLE way to go) get to be on the recieving end of the invective. (And no, it's no better to Bash on Hillary, but we've reached a point neither side sees their bashing as bashing...)

The choir is so much fun to preach to! Nothing worse than getting challenged!

by Lettuce 2008-03-16 03:38AM | 0 recs
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Kind of ironic isn't it for an Obama supporter to be talking about Drudge, when the Obama idiots at Kos and the Obama camp itself accepted the claim that the African Garment photos posted by Drudge came from the Clinton campaign.

by bouvougan 2008-03-16 06:16AM | 0 recs
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Um... that's not irony. That's a strawman.

Irony would be if that very same Obama photo turned out to be what motivated America to elect him President.

You might be thinking "hypocrisy" but that wouldn't work either because I don't like a thing Drudge does, whether its for my candidate or not. The guy openly trades in lies, yet is taken seriously by a ridiculous number of the MSM. I never understood it, and I don't understand it now.

So, did I think Clinton leaked the pic to Drudge? Sure, but only because of her prior use of Drudge leaks, which I didn't like then, either. But even if she did or didn't leak it, it doesn't matter to the main issue: I don't think any Democrat should have anything to do with Drudge because he, like Fox News, exists solely to harm the Democratic party. I think anything we do that aids Drudge in any way is akin to doing heroin. Feels good now, kills us later.

Which is why I think crowing about Drudge and Armstrong (should those names really be together) backing up your attacks on Kos for gasp disagreeing with you is a bad idea. Whether or not you post on Kos makes no difference to me.

The fact that I spend more time here, rather than Kos, precisely because I enjoy poking at complaints about Kos and Obama... now that's irony!


by Lettuce 2008-03-16 11:39AM | 0 recs
the "anti-democratic party" part...

...isn't coming from the hillary side. it's coming from the close-minded, our-way-or-the-highway approach by the obama supporters that prompted this action. we're upholding democratic principles by standing against misogyny and the DLC-type centrism of the "common ground with republicans", "democrat-for-a-day" obama campaign.

by campskunk 2008-03-17 06:13AM | 0 recs
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I'm standing here with you, thank you for your leadership. The strike goes on!

by owl06 2008-03-15 07:42PM | 0 recs
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Good job

by gunner 2008-03-15 07:45PM | 0 recs
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Great job Allegre.  Proud of you from your DKos diaries and even prouder now.  I love how they are twisting themselves in knots over there over the Obama/Wright stuff but forgot that even going there and commenting helps their page counts...will try to remember.

by ericrsiny 2008-03-15 07:42PM | 0 recs
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Yeah - with us gone here's hoping they turn on each other and the place implodes ;o)

by alegre 2008-03-15 07:59PM | 0 recs
Please Still Participate in the

Kos-MyDD Tourney Pool - Think of it as a Presbyterians vs. Baptists Soft Ball Game.  http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/15/2342 26/587#1

by CardBoard 2008-03-15 07:44PM | 0 recs
I offer my services for Hillary

by NewHampster 2008-03-15 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I offer my services for Hillary

Ok, That is pretty funny

by CardBoard 2008-03-15 07:55PM | 0 recs
I'm all for positve

...although slipping into negative as a defensive posture comes naturally. I'll work on that.

by Coldblue 2008-03-15 07:52PM | 0 recs
Work on it

We all need to because this strike is not about hurting dKos or the trolls over there.

This strike is about helping Hillary.  We are bringing awareness to the MSM about the double standard which exists in progressive land. I think they've fallen for the juice the bloggers created and maybe we can show them that we're not all on the same side in this thing.

by NewHampster 2008-03-15 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike
I'm weak with the peeking.  But I'll grow stronger.  No one wants more than I to show them I won't take it anylonger.  Use me, then lose me.
That's my motto.
by Scotch 2008-03-15 07:55PM | 0 recs
Scotch Maybe this will help

sorry for th huge image, sort of.

by NewHampster 2008-03-15 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Scotch Maybe this will help

Do they have patches to put over the eyes. That is the only part of my body that is out of control in this.

by Scotch 2008-03-15 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Heh - don't ask!

by alegre 2008-03-15 07:56PM | 0 recs
Kudos to you Alegre! Yours were some of my

favorite dkos diaries.  I went over there today and rec'd your last post (not sure it was the diary but at least it was your most recent) and I've sworn off the place.   Like any other addiction, it will easier and easier to do without as time goes by.  

by mnicholson0220 2008-03-15 07:59PM | 0 recs
I know it's hard at first...

But really, it'll get easier over time. Just start by deleting Kos off your favorites list. Take down the bookmarks to Kos. Once you don't have those shortcuts to the site, it will get MUCH easier to avoid that place.

And then, remember to support REAL progressive/Democratic blog communities that are fair to Hillary and to our cause. Continue coming back here to MyDD. Go to TalkLeft & Democratic Daily. Visit NoQuarter & Taylor Marsh. Over time, you'll forget about that Kos place. ;-)

by atdleft 2008-03-15 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I know it's hard at first...

I slit my computer screen with a knife.  That also works.

by Scotch 2008-03-15 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: I know it's hard at first...

Yeah! Who needs opposing points of view. The choir enjoys the preaching more anyway.

by Lettuce 2008-03-16 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: I know it's hard at first...

You're really peeved by this, aren't you? All these comments... :-)

by DemAC 2008-03-16 02:45PM | 0 recs
Get the word out to Tina Fey

It would be great if SNL picked up our strike.  Though, I would be satisfied with the Daily Show.

by dbrown04 2008-03-15 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Cheers to you Alegre!

They didn't seriously make fun of Chelsea on the front page... did they?

by Steve M 2008-03-15 08:16PM | 0 recs
I agree with this post (linked)

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/tal k/2008/03/prohillary-blogger-goes-on-str .php

Had HRC handled her campaign as she handled most of the Texas debate, there would be no hostility.

by obsessed 2008-03-15 08:16PM | 0 recs
There is no excuse for hostility

No excuse. Hostility towards Hillary and her supporters cannot be explained away like that.

by catfish1 2008-03-15 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no excuse for hostility

there is no excuse for dehumanized & insulting fellow bloggers just because they support HRC.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-15 09:13PM | 0 recs
Alegre Can You Ok Clinton Supporters

to join in the tourney pool?

And Here is some virtual marching for you all-

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by CardBoard 2008-03-15 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre Can You Ok Clinton Supporters

Man those Never Work

by CardBoard 2008-03-15 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre Can You Ok Clinton Supporters
please see my reply here: http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/15/2 34226/587/3#3 it's just bad timing. each hillary supporter is free to do what they want, and neither alegre nor i not anyone can "okay" participation in this, but most of us who've been through this for a while don't want to play with the people over at dKos, since they've been doing tacky things like being verbally abusive to us and snooping around trying to find out RL information about us. it just spoils the camaraderie, y'know what i mean?
by campskunk 2008-03-15 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre Can You Ok Clinton Supporters

I updated in reply...working it out so you all won't have to go to Kos, Kos is in the name...but March Madness is bigger than this campaign

by CardBoard 2008-03-15 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre Can You Ok Clinton Supporters

I know all you Clinton folks already have Yahoo id's though...so at least you don't have to sign-up.

by CardBoard 2008-03-15 08:59PM | 0 recs
A deep bow of gratitude

to Alegre and all the other former DKos posters who finally said "Enough!"

My own GBCW diary was on March 6 and I've felt cleaner and happier ever since.  

Message to Alegre:  I haven't been able to log on to the Yahoo group.  It doesn't want to digest my password or some such thing.
Please don't think I'm not participating due to lack of interest.  I'm with you all the way!

by Radiowalla 2008-03-15 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: A deep bow of gratitude
hmm. you may try signing up with another email account if your first one doesn't work. can you log in to yahoo?
by campskunk 2008-03-15 08:46PM | 0 recs
I'll keep trying

I'd like to be there but I can't seem to break down the door.

Anyway, I'm glad to see you here, campskunk.   I feel like we've been through the mill together.

by Radiowalla 2008-03-15 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll keep trying
i'm a mod on the yahoo site, and we need more people- we only have 260 or so now. i will do what it takes to get you in. yeah, we have been through the mill ;-)
by campskunk 2008-03-15 08:56PM | 0 recs
Re: A deep bow of gratitude

Here's my thing: When you left, the reaction to your GBCW was profound. There was a great deal of consternation at how things could have gotten to the point where so valuable a voice as yours felt unwelcome. There was at least one Rec. List diary about your diary, exhorting the better angels of our nature to keep us from letting such a thing happen again. (There was also one "good riddance!" asshole in your diary, whose comments were quickly bombarded with TRs, thereby reminding us all that we were, in fact, still on the internet.)

By contrast, after Alegre's diary, there have been two different reactions: The first is laughter. Two days of full-throated laughter. And the second reaction has been one of righteous anger from people who have had experience with actual strikes.

Both of those reactions are due to the central framing of this action as a "strike" rather than as a "boycott," of course. Folks who have been pepper sprayed or had their limbs broken, or who have had to cancel Christmas and postpone that dental work young Billy needed because they went on strike back in the day have not, as a rule, looked favorably on calling this action a "strike." And folks who haven't been in that situation merely find the conceit to be a humorous overreach, along the lines of those right-wing bloggers who seem convinced that their sitting at the computer and typing is somehow akin to bravely fighting in Iraqistan.

So while calling it a "strike" may have been a great move publicity-wise (I honestly don't think that it would have gotten as much media attention if it had been labeled a "boycott"), I don't think that it has been very helpful in terms of actually communicating a genuine message or bringing about any kind of positive change; and by working to drive MyHRC and DailyBOs further apart, it has been actively counterproductive (IMHO), given the fact that, one way or another, we're all going to have to work together after Denver to help save the world from four deadly years of McBush.

by Ray Radlein 2008-03-16 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: A deep bow of gratitude

I think the point is that the over-enthusiastic Hillary haters are not able to dialogue, and the administrators need to be aware that they are losing good people--HRC supporters, Obama supporters, and those in the middle.  They need to decide whether they want a big profitable website with a bunch of crazies, or whether they want to be taken seriously by serious people.  In the long run, their traffic will decrease if they choose the crazy route, and this is their wake-up call.  I do like the way Alegre framed this.  Other people said GBCW, and they sounded like lonely, pathetic and conceited victims, no matter how well written the diaries were. (I'm not saying that about Radiowalla's diary--I didn't read it.)  Alegre said, I'm leaving and I'm taking a bunch of people with me.  So much more empowering and productive.

by hearthmoon 2008-03-16 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Radiowalla's diary

I don't think it sounds lonely, pathetic or conceited, but you can judge for yourself:

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 07:34:49 PM PDT

At long last, I've had enough.

It's way past time for me to move along.

In November of 2003, I signed up for an account here and since that day DailyKos has been my primary online source for political information.  More importantly, it has been a place to voice my frustration with the calamity of the Bush administration and to express my support for the Democratic party as it attempts to reclaim power.

An unexpected side benefit has been the feeling of solidarity and community with fellow posters.  I have truly enjoyed the exchanges with so many of you and have appreciated the insights and especially the good humor you have shared with me.

Now, however,  my visits here have become less and less rewarding and I find myself more often than not frustrated, befuddled and angry after visiting here.

Radiowalla's diary :: ::
Without belaboring the points,  this is why I have decided to bow out:

-Lack of civility to fellow Democrats who may support a less popular candidate.  For months now, I and a few stray stalwart Hillary Clinton supporters have struggled to maintain a voice here.  Quite a few have bailed out long ago or been banned and only the most tenacious have had the stomach to continue.  This intolerance has been disappointing, but certainly not the deciding factor in my decision.  I've soldiered on in spite of this because I am not afraid of standing up for my views.

- Kos' front-page post accusing, without a shred of evidence,  the Clinton campaign of doctoring a photo of Obama in order to make him look "blacker" and, hence, more "sinister,"  was a signal to me that it is time to leave.  When the owner and creator of this influential blog showcases unsubstantiated smears of a leading Democrat, it is cause for alarm.  I asked myself, "What does it mean to be a member of this community?"
"Does my participation here lend support to this smear?"  "By posting here, do I lend my good name, albeit a fanciful Username, to this noxious smear?"  
-A diary today advocated violence at the Democratic convention in Denver.  That was the tipping point for me.
What have we become if we speak of burning down our own convention?  I want no part of it and I will not associate myself with such outrageous tactics.  Here it is in all its splendor  If Hillary Gets To Claim MI And FL, Denver Will Burn

Threats of violence, lack of civility, highly-charged candidate diaries, ....I just can't go there anymore.  

It's sad for me, but I think I'll be doing my high blood pressure a big favor.  I doubt I will ever find a blog as active and inspiring as this one once was, but times have changed this site and one has to adapt or move on.  Since I am unwilling to adapt, I have to move on.


by Radiowalla 2008-03-16 09:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Radiowalla's diary

Well it doesn't sound pathetic or conceited, it gives some very good reasons for leaving.  It does sound lonely though.

by hearthmoon 2008-03-16 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Excellent continuous work.  Thank you.

by environmentally blue 2008-03-15 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

dailykooks is why we need to defeat the ultra limousine liberals represented by Obama/Kerry/Kennedy at any cost. They represent anything wrong with the party. Hopefully a new coalition will emerge after this fiery fight. We need to eliminate those haters, racists, sexists. Obama/Kerry/Kennedy need to get on trial in the end.

by prisonbreak 2008-03-15 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

There simply are no words to respond to posts like this.

by amiches 2008-03-15 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

i think you are a bit over the top.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-15 09:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Maybe your id should be mentalbreak and not prisonbreak because that's what your rantings sound like.

by Pravin 2008-03-15 11:27PM | 0 recs
Off topic - What a waste of a great voice

Mariah Carey trying to do rap.  sounds like every other one.

and she has such a wonderful voice.

by NewHampster 2008-03-15 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Although I'm fairly new to "political blogging," I just want to say I'm so glad I stumbled across this site before DailyKos when I went looking for a place that was open to having thoughtful discussion about this Primary that wasn't entirely pro-Obama.  And since I saw all the many comments here about that site, I figured I'd save myself the frustration of even checking it out.  

But I also wanted to commend you, alegre, for your unyielding commitment to getting the truth out.  I recall posting to one of your diaries when I realized your name was starting to sound familiar, and "saying" something along the lines of having a feeling I'd be seeing/reading a lot of you on here.  And I'm glad that's proven true...because despite the time I've put in to researching the candidates, I know I'll always learn or realize something new when reading your diaries.  So as someone who's also taken the difficult step of standing up to injustice and unfairness in other areas, I just want to say bravo to you for standing up for "the cause" of this election season.  Simple awareness of a matter can sometimes go a long way toward remedy, and your action is obviously already bringing awareness to this situation--so don't doubt the very real impact that actions such as yours can have.  Again, bravo to you, and thank you too--I look forward to reading far more from you!  

by ChargedFan 2008-03-15 08:51PM | 0 recs
That's beautiful

Alegre has never wavered in her support of Hillary.

I'm amazed at what I learn from her but most of all I who have blogged alongside her am so thankful for her support after SC when we all were down.  Or during the stretch of 11 losses when Alegre was our rock.

Alegre has done more for Hillary than she will ever know.

by NewHampster 2008-03-15 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: That's beautiful

yep.  Alegre is a tireless supporter.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-15 09:14PM | 0 recs
Re: That's beautiful

Thanks, NewHampster!  I also have been amazed by what I've learned from her and other diarists here.  I'm not sure if I'd honestly found this site yet at the time of SC, although I do wish I'd found it before I did (and am grateful for a link on Hillary's Hub to a diary that brought me here). Every group needs their so-called "rock," and I'm getting the sense there are a few such rocks here as I'm starting to recognize more and more of your names!  

And for what it's worth, I've already been able to use the information I've learned here and elsewhere to turn a few other PA voters from Obama's camp (or who were teetering) into Hillary supporters.  So, cheers to alegre and to all of you who have steadfastly continued getting the facts out there that hopefully will ultimately lead Hillary to victory...and our country in the right direction!  

by ChargedFan 2008-03-16 06:14AM | 0 recs
Re: That's beautiful

I don't much care for the positive connotation you imply for your statement "never wavered in her support for Hillary." I think that's what is wrong with people for both candidates. They don't waver, no matter what intervening information they are presented with. I think George Bush personifies the personality of somebody who never wavers in his support of what ever idiotic idea somebody convinces him of.

I would hope we would all be subject to wavering. I know I've wavered a lot in the course of this campaign, mainly because my overriding goal is to get a Democrat elected. To do that I have to assimilate a lot of information and determine in my mind which of the two candidates left will be able to beat McCain in November. So ever since Edwards left the race, I've wavered between Hillary and Barack, knowing that policy wise there is almost no difference between them, but there is a huge difference between them and four more years of Republican rule.

In the back and forth I've had in my comments, I've found the lack of wavering and inconsistency of thought one of the hardest things to overcome with advocates of both candidates. As an example, I had exchanged some comments with an Obama supporter and provided video of Jesse Jackson Jr. racializing the nomination battle immediately after Hillary's win in Massachusetts. He claimed Bill Clinton was the first to inject race in the battle, and that moment was the "deal breaker" for Clinton with him. But even after seeing evidence that it was the Obama campaign's co-chair that was the first, he "didn't waver" in his support of Obama. He simply wasn't able to assimilate the new information and change accordingly. We all need to waver when the facts and evidence show that our previous position is no longer valid.

by bouvougan 2008-03-16 06:37AM | 0 recs
Re: That's beautiful

Well, I actually have to agree with the concept of your message.  I came into this believing I would back Hillary--and in fact have actually been waiting for the day she would run--but was still determined to check all candidates out because my underlying goal and concern of this election was first and foremost to get the Republicans out of the White House, and I realized there were many who would never support Hillary.  Once she was running, she gave me pause for doubt over one of her policies in particular.  In fact, it's something that could very much affect me personally, in a negative way, so I was more open to other candidates.  

And for a time, largely because of that and believing Barack just hadn't yet had the chance to put his words into action, but that surely he would be able to if given the chance, I actually switched to supporting him.  (And I've emphasized in many places from the start my underlying goal of keeping the Democrats united so we could get a Democrat in the White House--that being the end goal.)  But in the end, despite perhaps the personal hardship she could create for me, I believe her to be the best possibility for not only winning the General Election but leading our country forward.  And it largely centers not only in what I see positively in Hillary, but an issue that gave me very large concern about Barack.

(For what it's worth, for me, actions do speak louder than words, and my belief that he just hadn't yet had the opportunity to put his words into action was proven false, in my opinion.  For me, personally, it was discovering he had failed to take any actions relating to Afghanistan, even though he's been in a position of leadership to do so through his Chairmanship of the Subcommittee that provides oversight to NATO and Europe's involvement in Afghanistan--and further realizing, as reported by NATO, that European countries such as Germany have actually been cherry picking their locations within Afghanistan while leaving American forces to confront the most serious fighting.  He's spoken out so strongly about what he "will do" to correct this situation "when he" becomes President [emphasizing this again just today on the campaign trail]--but how many more Americans may have died unnecessarily over there while he was too busy running for President to provide oversight that may have helped resolve some of those situations over this past 15 months--15 months that have seen an escalation of violence and increase in the number of deaths in Afghanistan?   At the same time, I realized Hillary has been tirelessly and effectively acting throughout her lifetime, in whatever capacity she was able and often by assuming roles of leadership, in ways that convince me she is best prepared to lead our country forward.)

by ChargedFan 2008-03-16 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Lovely remarks.  Yes, Alegre is our rock.  I don't know how she does it every day, but she does ... and she always lifts us all up along with her.

by susanhu 2008-03-15 09:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Thank you, susanhu!  We all need our rocks...and Hillary is fortunate to have such rocks out here in the blogosphere (and sites such as this where information can be shared without "moderation" and interference by biased administrators).  As she and others are lifting us up along with her...hopefully can all lift Hillary to victory!  Cheers!

by ChargedFan 2008-03-16 06:18AM | 0 recs
Writers Strike

Something to think about--

If y'all can't deal with the verbal slings and arrows on Kos, then how do you expect to survive the stuff that McCain and the Republicans are going to throw at us in November?

Take a look at what just happened to Obama--

His opposition found pictures of him dressed in African garb and tried to imply that he is a Muslim.  Then they dug up five-year old videotape of his Pastor getting angry, and managed to get that onto the TV news about 600 times in one day. Did Obama run away and hide and seek shelter on another blog?  No, he looked right into the camera and faced his accusers and set things straight.  Then they tried to tar him with his relationship with businessman Tony Rezko.  What did he do?  He sat down with the entire staff of the Chicago Tribune and answered every question to their satisfaction, and received a glowing review for his candor. He hung in there when adversity reared its head, and the state of Iowa just rewarded him with another 9 delegates.

Stop being wimps.  Get thyself back over to Daily Kos and stand up for yourselves.

by global yokel 2008-03-15 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Writers Strike

Well actually he did.  He posted a diary at DKos on year, was kindof snotty in it, took a lot of hits and never went back.  So, yeah he did run away to another blog.

by Scotch 2008-03-15 09:15PM | 0 recs
The strike

We are not talking about how Obama handle the press here.  We are talking about the hostility toward pro-Hillary bloggers, and Hillary voters.  

The following comments are sample of the insulting to voters' decision that were allowed and praised at dailyKos.

The Supers can see with their own eyes ... (0+ / 0-)
Hillary got the under-educated - poverty - latino and old women vote.

Obama has the higher - educated - grass roots - money vote and youth vote.

Tell me .... which holds the best and brightest future for America .. ?

can you even imagine (1+ / 0-)
the sort of person who would actually vote for clinton at this point? kind of makes you rethink universal suffrage, doesn't it? maybe hungry people have too little oxygen in the brain. on the off chance that the narcissistic senator from NY wins the nod, i don't even know how i'll find the strength to vote in the general.

Every American citizen own this country. Every man are create equal, and everyone is entitle to their own right, young or old, rich or poor.

dailyKos has allowed this kind of insulting comments to go unchecked. As we cannot have a civil conversation at dailyKos anymore, I see no point to waste my time there.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-15 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The strike

Ummmm...just wanted to point out that that nasty comment was not 'praised'. (0+ / 0-) and (1+ / 0-) does not equal praise. Though, had I seen it...I would have TRd it, I am surprised that no one did (not even any Hillary supporters).

Cherry picked comments from ANY site do no good. I am sure that someone could find comments right here on MYdd that are not appropriate....does not make them any more right or wrong than ones found on Daily Kos.

by Kysen 2008-03-16 05:01PM | 0 recs
You don't get it-----we are standing up

for ourselves.

Let's explain what is happening to our candidate.  When the Republicans found a picture of Obama in Muslim garb, and charged Hillary of doing it YOU GOT 2 SHOTS, SYMPATHY FOR YOUR CANDIDATE AND A SMEAR AGAINST HILLARY.

Everyone in the blogosphere and the MSM said Hillary did it-- from AOL to MSNBC and it is a lie with no factual basis.  And the bloggers and trolls piled on the HATE to Hillary and us for something the Republicans did.  

You have yet to experience what the blogosphere and MSM have been doing to our candidate.  You will have to go through now until November with daily rounds of accusations, vitriol, personal attacks, groundless lies, and smears on your character that you DON'T deserve before you understand.  And as for underground tactics Hillary has the same types of viral attacks from the Republicans going around, and she doesn't worry about that.  So don't tell us it's amazing he can handle it.  In fact, you blame her for that one too.  "She paused when asked about his background."  She didn't.  But look at his preacher!  How's she supposed to know about his background?

It turns out rumors about his church were true--I didn't think those were so with a media and blogosphere protecting him how are we supposed to learn about him?

Answering questions about what your candidate DID do with Rezko, and his 20 year associations with the New Farrakhan are what he should be doing.  

He's supposed to get credit for finally answering for his real ethical lapses?  Oh no.

His relationship to Rezko and his minister have NOT been treated the way a Hillary story would.  And yet you think you've stood up to the worst?  You haven't.  


And guess what?  We will NOT return because YOU TELL US TO.  

Bravo Alegre!! You're really such a great example and a real smart writer and a leader.  Hillary teaches great lessons from the top down.

by chieflytrue 2008-03-15 11:29PM | 0 recs
You Need Some Chants!

"We write the laughter for Teri Hatcher!"

"We write the story-a for Eva Longoria!"

I'm not going to help ya'll out, but I am really getting a kick out of this whole Strike Deal.  Ok, maybe One "Over at Kos, We Ain't Sayin', Cause Obama's payin"

by CardBoard 2008-03-15 08:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I am sick and tired of the bias in writing - thank you for moving.  i just joined mydd.com

thank you thank you thank you - Go Hillary

by Mommy3 2008-03-15 09:14PM | 0 recs
How does posting this comment

I have not forgotten that Fredrick Douglas, a black man, insisted on putting the rights of black men to vote ahead of women's right to vote, effectively splitting the abolitionist's and suffrage movement in two. Men always seem to say, let us go first and then we will help you. Then they don't. This has rankled me since Senator Obama began his campaign. I also find him condescending when he address's anything about Senator Clinton. There have been too many instances of character assassinations from his camp that exemplify deeply held sexist beliefs.

Get us anywhere? Goodness, that is not the right way to go at all launching this effort. With all due respect, I am pretty sure that Senator Clinton would not want that sentiment representing her campaign.

by kid oakland 2008-03-15 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: How does posting this comment

but it is highly instructive, isn't it?  Sounds positively like...Pastor Wright.

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-16 02:14AM | 0 recs
Re: How does posting this comment

I find it interesting to note that one or two of the comments above this come from some of the more ardent Ombamatrons still extolling the virtues at DKos of why Hillary should have been thrown under the bus weeks ago.

That being said, notice that your comments do not get hidden here, and you're allowed to participate in the discourse.

What a concept, huh?

There are many folks here that cannot say the same thing about how they were treated--in some instances directly by you--in recent days and weeks over at the Daily Wantabombya.

So, rant on about whatever you wish. You're among adults here--adults that doin't mind engaging in discourse with others with differing opinions with regard to which candidate they're supporting in the Dem primary.

Perhaps that is the biggest difference between DKos and MyDD at the moment, anyway.  

by bobswern 2008-03-16 06:40AM | 0 recs
In point of fact

I wrote a diary critical of a Front Page post here that went to the top of the recommended list with 60 recommends and was taken off the recommended box by the site owner within 15 minutes.

So, yes, respectful and contrary views have been censored here.

This is how I responded to that situation, btw:

As Democrats and progressives, as advocates of the 50 State Strategy, our goal in November is much broader than simply electing one or the other Democratic candidate to the White House.

We have contests in House and Senate races, in State legislative races, for governorships and within our various Democratic parties that all of us care about.

We need MyDD, like we need DailyKos, TalkLeft, OpenLeft, SwingState project...and local bloggers like those who participate in BlogsUnited, and activists from MoveOn and DFA...to be on board for this effort, to cooperate whatever our personal choice of presidential candidate.

Winning in November is something we all care about and it's an effort in which we are mutually dependent on each other. We're on the same team.

by kid oakland 2008-03-16 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: In point of fact

That'd be about 14 minutes and change longer than the posts of many of the "new" members here (in the past 36 hrs.) were allowed to maintain their comments in public view on a good day on DKos in the past few weeks.

How many four-letter words and how attacks on your sanity and integrity were posted in response to your comment being removed?

(On DKos, in recent weeks, I've seen the most sophomoric and vile of response to virtually every pro-HRC blogger there. Here, you get 4 rec's for your comments, even though they might not be in-line with the majority opinion. On DKos, the comment to which I'm responding now is more than ample reason to have it hidden, and in many cases, to undermine the trusted user status of someone that had been contributing to the sane discourse there for years. I know this from personal experience...a personal experience echoed by scores/hundreds here in recent days, with regard to their "time" on that "reality-based Democratic blog.")

And, how do you know it was "the owner of this blog" that removed your post?

by bobswern 2008-03-16 01:11PM | 0 recs
Because he said so

in a comment.

At any rate, I've written diaries on both sites asking that people respect the right to advocate for  one's candidate as a Democrat.

If we actually debate instead of "hate" we can hone arguments that get us somewhere, and maybe even understand the other side better.

I agree that needless trollery and insults are bad for the netroots.

by kid oakland 2008-03-16 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: How does posting this comment

What's wrong with this comment?  Frederick Douglas did throw the women's suffrage movement under the bus at a crucial moment--this is historical fact.  That men in this country have, historically, said "Our rights first, then yours" and then not delivered is also historical fact.  Watch the John Adams mini-series and I'm sure it will come up.  That's what men were saying to women during the Revolutionary War:  We get our freedom from England, then we'll address your rights.  Then they forgot about it.

As far as Obama being condescending to Hillary, that's too bad for him if he does come across that way, it can only hurt him.  I really don't think he has to like her; they are opponents, after all.

by hearthmoon 2008-03-16 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: How does posting this comment

My candidate's minority group was more oppressed than your candidate's minority group.

Here's a fun one: Should the recent Civil Rights act which protects gays and lesbians from abuse have been stopped since Congress couldn't get the votes for the transgendered?

Certainly, the latter deserve rights as well. But should the lack of rights continue for the former groups?

If you are using History as a weapon to spread moral authority, peeps, you gots yourself a lousy weapon.

by Lettuce 2008-03-16 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I have left Daily kos and joined mydd

time for a real conversation about Hillary and Obama-one that hopefully can be a little more truthful and accurate.

by liberal youth 2008-03-15 09:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike
There is no DailyKos... Just DailyBarackos.
by sricki 2008-03-15 09:22PM | 0 recs
Daily Barackos

Reminiscent of the Mr. T character on The A-Team, B.A. Baracas.  And there's no shortage of fools to pity.

by FlipYrWhig 2008-03-15 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike
I gotta admit, Alegre, when I first read about the strike, I thought it was a noble idea, but I didn't think anyone would pay much attention. But apparently people have noticed. I stand corrected.

Good work. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

by sricki 2008-03-15 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Thanks again, Alegre, for your leadership.  I encourage you to take ever bolder steps.  

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-15 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Uh, what would those "ever bolder steps" be?

It's not clear to me what else could be done over and beyond a boycott that wouldn't be... unfortunate.

by Korha 2008-03-15 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Beyond kos.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-15 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Beyond kos.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-15 10:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

As someone that quit Kos long ago I fully support your efforts. I had no idea what they were saying over there, at least not to the extent that you made us all aware of last evening.

You have what it takes. And whatever I can do to help I will.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-15 09:45PM | 0 recs
Just a prediction

My guess is that traffic at DK, and possibly here, will spike in the next few days, as people hear about this in the news and want to see what the fuss is about. There may be a gleeful post or two about it.

Don't let that bother you. What you're doing, you're doing on principle. I admire it.

by OrangeFur 2008-03-15 09:49PM | 0 recs

I can not watch MyDD grow into myHilary and wait till I get banned.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-15 09:58PM | 0 recs
Re: nifty

COnsidering all Alegre does here is post pro Hillary diaries and anti Obama diaries, why doesn't she just spend her time on Hillary's site and have a "conversation" with the fandom there? I do not think she has written a single non Hillary-Obama diary here and she has put out a ton of diaries.

by Pravin 2008-03-16 01:52AM | 0 recs
Re: nifty

I guess I haven't been here long enough.  I've seen several pro-Hillary diaries from Alegre.  I haven't seen the anti-Obama ones.

by hearthmoon 2008-03-16 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Unfortunately I added to their hits when I stopped by to read your diary and leave a comment, found them closed but took the opportunity to click through to Hillary's donation page and tucked a few more dollars in her coffer. They should get a hit for that departure and its destination, so...they'll know they pushed me.

I had stopped going to DK altogether many weeks ago, too painful to endure the demagoguery and hubris.

Thanks for your efforts!

by whaleshaman 2008-03-15 09:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I can't say I disagree with the general assessment of DailyObama. I always liked MYDD better than that site.

Of course this so-called strike merely codifies a preexisting split between the Obama and Clinton online supporter camps that already happened months ago--and so clearly will do nothing and have no effect on anything whatsoever. A nice drama bomb, though, and I'm sure it makes both sides feel better about themselves.

Hope the primaries are over soon,

by Korha 2008-03-15 10:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

The anti-Obama vitriol here at MyDD is every bit as intense, disrespectful and destructive as the anti-Hillary vitriol at DailyKos. That you cannot see that just shows how deep into you yourself have become.

by dmc2 2008-03-15 10:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Yes, there is anti-Obama rhetoric here, and some of it is intense, disrespectful or even destructive. But the volume is not at all comparable, nor the vitriol. In my experience, the negativity of Hillary supporters toward Obama has steadily increased the more vicious the attacks on Hillary at kos and other sites became. When I first decided to support Hillary I was also still positive about Obama and thought we online supporters could have some great issue debates on the two candidates. Not so. At kos, the few comments I made criticizing Obama or defending Hillary always ended up with me being personally insulted. I don't see people like you, who support Obama, getting that level of nastiness here.

by bently2 2008-03-16 02:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I can't speek for everyone at DKos, or how they respond, because there are hundreds, if not thousands of "Obama supporters" there. I put Obama supporters in quotes, because who even knows if the more obnoxious ones really are, or if they have some other agenda. I suspect the same with respect to Hillary supporters here.

For me, I just try to make the best arguments that I can for my candidate, and try to avoid getting into personal insults and the like with supporters of other candidates. For the most part, on both sites, I've found that to be a successful strategy. But I have been personally insulted plenty of times on MyDD for supporting Barack, called stupid, ignorant, naive, racially-biased, etc.

One thing I will admit is that Barack has more supporters in the "netroots" than Hillary does. This is a very recent phenomenon however, because before Edwards dropped out, he was always more far more popular at DKos than Obama and Hillary was more popular here and at some of the blogs like TalkLeft and Taylor Marsh. Obama really didn't have a blog to himself, he was the most popular at HuffPost, but plenty of the columnists there were lined up behind other candidates, so it's not the same as someplace like MyDD or DailyKos.

by dmc2 2008-03-16 01:55PM | 0 recs
Technical Question--- Should we

cancel our memberships too or something?  Does that help his revenue as well?

I really didn't know a peek helped him out, and I don't want to do that so I won't do that again.

AND THANK YOU ALEGRE AND JEROME.  To peace and honest discourse.

by chieflytrue 2008-03-15 11:05PM | 0 recs
And you're mad at Kos because ...

... ?

I mean ... here's this guy Kos who's centered his site, book and philosophy on the netroots 50-state concept, and he favors Obama, who is the epitome of all that, over Hillary, who is the antithesis of all that.

And you guys are ready to turn on Kos because Obama people on his site responded to Hillary's vicious negative campaigning?

by obsessed 2008-03-15 11:19PM | 0 recs
Re: And you're mad at Kos because ...

yes.  yes they are.

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-16 02:17AM | 0 recs
Re: And you're mad at Kos because ...

Addressed to the well-known Obamatrolls visiting here from the DKos:

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but (like myself) I can say that I grew sick and tired of the ever-increasing departure from reality that reality-based blog had taken over the past few weeks. It was/is to the point where if one didn't make a point of not tearing themselves away from it--it used to be a realiable source of information with regard to campaign happenings--one ran the risk of getting a totally distorted view of what was actually happening in the campaign. When it gets to that level of propaganda, it's time to stop wasting one's time, or opt to lose all touch with reality as far as politics is concerned. I opted for the former.

I've reiterated three comments about DKos over the last 4-6 weeks, and they are these:

i.) it's devolved from a place for reasonable discourse about the campaign(s), and related to issues to little more than a "high school football lockerroom at halftime;"

ii.) DKos is now very much an example of "the Foxification of the so-called liberal blogging universe," where the focus is on building audience at all costs, and objective commentary is no longer relevant to the actual intentions of those running the community--nor, in many cases, is reality even tolerated;

iii.) the place had become little more than "the blogging version of the Jerry Springer Show, with the only thing missing being the flying chairs..."

In short, comparing the pro-Clinton rhetoric here to the pro-Obama rhetoric on DKos, in the context of how Clinton supporters were/are treated on DKos, versus how Obama supporters are treated here is nothing short of being dishonest. There is no comparison.

For starters, your comments aren't hidden, are they. At least you may state your minority opinion comments here, and they remain posted! So, please, commenters immediately above my comment here, spare me the dishonest/disingenuous comments.

That crap doesn't flush around here.

Then again, after brushing up on my Markos Moulitsos history by reading his Wikipedia bio a few days ago, I realized a couple of basic facts...

1.) Markos, having switched from a George Bush-loving, registered GOP'er in the early 90's to a Democrat; and,

2.) the fact that he's a member of--and receives fellowships from--a very, very centrist (not progressive and not liberal.) DLC-oriented think tank indicate to me, that...

...there's some serious and somewhat obfuscated false branding going on over there with regard to it being "a reality-based blog for progressive Democrats."

Any reference to progressive is called into question by the fact that the leader of the joint is receiving serious bucks and prestige from an organization that's anything but that.

Any reference to loyalty to the party becomes questionable due to the sheer reality that the blog's founder was a card-carrying Rethug and Bushie droog in his early adulthood, too. So, I have to ask myself: "Just how important is party loyalty over at DKos in real life, if the guy who runs the place was a member of the Gross Obfuscated Party when Bill Clinton was first elected? Inherently, there's an anti-Clinton mantra that was ingrained in the guy's thinking not too long ago!

by bobswern 2008-03-16 07:15AM | 0 recs
I can't wait for your MYDD strike

It is amazing how selective you guys are in your outrage. I am not going to defend Dkos because I rarely go there because of the information overload over there. But you seriously are going to make grand statements about your boycott(let's face it, that's what it is, not a writers strike, no matter how you spin it) when many of your fellow hillary supporters here have been all Hillary love and all Obama hate all the time and have been rigging the rec list for months now.

by Pravin 2008-03-15 11:24PM | 0 recs
And you support Hillary because ...

... ?

This is the question I keep asking and it's like I'm posting to a blog in an alternate universe that no one reads. No one has ever given any justification for being so high and mighty and hot to trot for Hillary Clinton, the status quo, corporate democrat who's been instrumental in getting us into the healthcare, NAFTA and Iraq messes we're in.

What's the big attraction? I just don't get it.

by obsessed 2008-03-15 11:26PM | 0 recs
Re: And you support Hillary because ...

There are many reasons I support Hillary Clinton. Rather than describing them in detail here, I'll point you to the issues section of her website so you can see for yourself: http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/middlec lass/. Isn't that we're supposed to do, evaluate a candidate's stand on the issues and decide who we want to support?

What's with the `high and mighty' and `hot to trot' stuff? Are you saying I fall into those categories simply because I support Hillary? Do half of the registered Democrats in the country suddenly become lesser human beings in your mind because we don't support your candidate? What's that all about?

Finally, Hillary Clinton is not the status quo. George Bush and conservatism is the status quo. What country have you been in for the last eight years? If you think Obama, simply because he is a fresh face, is going to do any better job of getting us out of Bush's messes than Hillary, you might want to look past his `hope and change' rhetoric to his policy proposals. They are not any more progressive than Hillary's.

If you like Obama, fine, but Hillary is not your enemy, nor am I.

by bently2 2008-03-16 01:54AM | 0 recs
Re: And you support Hillary because ...

Gore didn't run, Edwards dropped out, Obama is advised by some very creepy disaster capitalism types, and that left Hillary.

Beside, Obama's act strikes me as sheer projectionism. He accusses Clinton of divisive tactics and then engages in divisive tactics.

but that is just me.

by Alice Marshall 2008-03-16 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I used to really enjoy Daily Kos when it was about getting ALL Democrats elected not just the Chosen One. I haven't viewed that page in like 2 months and won't be going back anytime soon

by rossinatl 2008-03-15 11:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

And you disagree that Obama's inclusive, grassroots campaign is central to the idea of getting ALL Democrats elected?

by obsessed 2008-03-15 11:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike


All Democrats, huh?

Tell that to Christine Cegelis and John Laesch?

by bobswern 2008-03-16 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I mean ... I don't care if you guys boycott Daily Kos or not. This site is actually easier to navigate. My point is that Kos's central 50-state/Crash the Gate premise is a very good one, and has the potential to bring the Democratic party back from near death and you guys are giving him a total bum rap. Kos never favored Obama until Hillary started shooting holes in the whole strategy of repairing the party. If Obama came out for invading Iran we'd all turn against him. Hillary came out for Karl Rove politics so Kos turned against her.

by obsessed 2008-03-15 11:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Try searching for past comments here. Impossible. DailyKos is easier to check up on past stories.

This site seriously needs a good seach capability so people can debunk people's claims.

by Pravin 2008-03-16 01:53AM | 0 recs
one work-around
make a comment in a diary you like, then find it from that.
I still wish the search engine were better.  
I wouldn't know where to make a donation toward upgrade, though.
by earthoat 2008-03-16 05:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Kos turned against Hillary because that's where his mob went after Edwards dropped out.

His general political premises are based on valuable insights, but his current nonsense that this prolonged and now bitter primary is good for the party and progressives is not good or valuable. With the power of his blog, he should be trying to bring conciliation between the two camps, not stirring the pot.

We're greatly at risk of having independents turn to McCain because of the vitriol not necessarily coming from Hilary and Obama, but from their surrogates, of which Kos is an example.

I will also never again be a regular there. Among other reasons, I've find other good blogs because of alegre's pointing them out. Thanks, A.

by bently2 2008-03-16 02:05AM | 0 recs
Have to disagree with this:

His general political premises are based on valuable insights...

He voted for Reagan....I wasn't too involved in politics, but even I knew to hate Reagan at the time, being a PROGRESSIVE, and a LIBERAL, and a DEMOCRAT...and caring about people...who could have supported Reagan at the time, and not have some kind of "come to God" event in which you totally denounce your past actions?

Markos doesn't have good "gut" instincts about politics...if he did, he would be doing something now...imho.

by SoCalVet 2008-03-16 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I have to disagree with Alegre - I'm not going back.

by myiq2xu 2008-03-15 11:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Thank you so much for this. I have lurked at DailyKos for over 4 years, and I do not like being called scum simply because I support Hillary. I haven't actively written there but I have donated to campaigns. They need to get a life.

by deathofrock 2008-03-15 11:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Another encouraging and informative dairy.

by LadyEagle 2008-03-16 02:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

It's truly great to see Hillary's supporters come out and defend her as wel stand up for one another.

by Check077 2008-03-16 03:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks Alegre

I deleted DailyKos from my favorites list and am not going back until Markos resets his prized "meta" back to PROGRESSIVE.

Alegre, you are an amazing woman. I thank you for all you've done from the bottom of my heart. You are AWESOME.

by Tennessean 2008-03-16 04:34AM | 0 recs
Why Go Back to DKos EVER?

For half a year, they have whittled our egos down to spinters.

No one would listen to complaints.

Why even CONSIDER going back?  So they can pull this again
in 4 years?  (assuming Obama is the candidate, which will mean a McCain presidency)

by earthoat 2008-03-16 05:01AM | 0 recs
I can't go along with this "strike".
I agree that Dkos has been turned into an echo chamber of Obama support, and a lot of very good writing is passed by in order to start fights in pro-Hillary diaries.
But if we all leave, there will be no balance over there at all.
I think there's too much drama around here and we lose sight of the issues in favor of a giant meta fest.
Fortunately, it hasn't affected the Dem party as a whole, but when the MSM starts talking about "strikes" on blogs, and starts gleefully analyzing the "deep divide" in the Democratic party over this primary race, it's time to take a step back and realize that, despite the threats from both sides about their votes, we simply cannot let McCain win this election.
This isn't about us and how we're treated on some blog.
Some things are worth fighting for.
And Alegre, I want to thank you for your wonderful diaries that provided  the insight and balance that is desperately needed at DKos.
Your voice will be missed over there.
by skohayes 2008-03-16 05:14AM | 0 recs
My favorite dKos Sadistic Trick was

when they would say something very insulting to your comment.

If you responded in-kind with a good put-down, they would
make your response visible.

by earthoat 2008-03-16 05:24AM | 0 recs
My 2nd Favorite dKos Sadistic Trick:

If you wrote a diary one of the "insiders" disagreed with, they would all respond by swapping recipes.

by earthoat 2008-03-16 05:25AM | 0 recs
Anybody remember the &quot;Clitnon&quot; typo
that became fashionable for a brief period in dKos, despite complaints?   It only stopped when one guy finally raised unholy hell.
At that point, they finally made the "Clitnon" comments invisible.  The down side is that they threw the guy who complained about it off of Daily Kos.
by earthoat 2008-03-16 05:32AM | 0 recs
Oh yes, my 4th Favorite dKos Sadistic Trick
One rainy afternoon, I did a little exploring.  I discovered a couple of diaries by people who were saying good-bye to Daily Kos.  They had been upset by the downward spiral.  (Even before their Clinton hate fest)
The diarists were emotional.  dKos obviously had meant a great deal to them, but they said they could not stand to stay any longer.
The only responses from dKos insiders were casual sarcasm like "Bye!"  and "Yawn"
by earthoat 2008-03-16 05:39AM | 0 recs
I support the strike

I've been boycotting DailyKos for two months now, and I think I'm happier for it.

I'm glad that there's now a concerted effort to withdraw from all the hate and vile, made more painful by the fact that they're from "progressives" that we have long respected.

Now we should make the havens we find (MyDD for instance) free of all the kind of hatred and intolerance we abhor in DailyKos.

I challenge my fellow Hillary supporters to keep things CIVIL and RESPECTFUL here.

by Sieglinde 2008-03-16 06:34AM | 0 recs
I hate to give up Saturday Garden Blog

but I agree with the boycott/strike - elephant, whatever we want to call it.

No matter what I say lately on whatever subject, I get some loutish feedback.  

I will go on to do Garden Blogging but that is it.

I will vote for either of our candidates and am happy to do so but I don't want to be pushed around -    

by Xanthe 2008-03-16 06:52AM | 0 recs
Solution is not to ban differently or better

but to stop the practice of banning/disappearing/censoring. It's the power of the candidate-centric mob that is the problem at banning blogs. Once in awhile there is borderline or actual criminality, then an administrator should step in and ban. We otherwise honorable rabble have proven ourselves unworthy of that power.

by fairleft 2008-03-16 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Solution is not to ban differently or better

No, I think the biggest problem is the lack of banning and moderation.  The tone became one of jumping and attacking anyone who said something even mildly pro-Hillary.  Or attaching something gratuitously anti-Hillary to an unrelated comment.  And recommending any poorly written diary attacking Hillary or building up Obama.  I've even seen that at MyDD, although to a milder degree.  And I feel the need to CONSTANTLY explain that I was a Kucinich supporter, because Obama fans just assume when I'm not attacking Hillary or building up Obama, that I'm a die-hard Clinton supporter.  I'm unhappy that I have to support her at this point--she wasn't the best candidate at the start of the race.  She's just the best left standing.  I'm sucking it up, just like I'll suck it up and support Obama if he's the nominee.  I don't deserve the pile on vitriol and sexist comments I've gotten from Obama supporters for speaking my truth.  It's left a bad taste.

by hearthmoon 2008-03-16 08:15AM | 0 recs
Thank you Alegre

I haven't so much as taken a whiff of the Daily Kos in a month and I'm better off for it. The abusive atmosphere is not something Hillary supporters should tollerate, and really why it's acceptable to someone like Kos is beyond me.

Lets give them apparently what they want, an Obama campaign site. But without the Hillary supporters there it'll become less interesting for many people, and traffic will decrase farther. Lets send a message that we shouldn't accept progressives using blogs the way right wingers use talk radio. We should go by a standard of dignity above that of Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter, not stupping to their level just with different political views.

by Christopher Lib 2008-03-16 07:24AM | 0 recs
you people don't realize

just how irrelevant you really are.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-16 07:48AM | 0 recs
then stop bitching about it

you're getting tiresome.

by earthoat 2008-03-16 08:17AM | 0 recs
Run over by an Obama supporter

Run over by an Obama supporter

Today I had just entered a crosswalk when a SUV-driving Obama supporter (according to the bumper sticker) came barreling down the lane, turning left, she kept here eyes to the right, trying to beat the traffic coming from the right, not caring whom she drove over in the process.  I could have really gotten hurt if I was not paying attention!  

It is an apt metaphor for the way I felt many Obama supporters are driving the traffic on the orange blog.  I guess that is what happens when you are irrelevant.  And you are only irrelevant if you keep quiet.  Thanks Alegra!

by Aunt Susan 2008-03-16 05:43PM | 0 recs
Yeah, who cares.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-16 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I'd have signed up with you over at the orange place, but I began my personal boycott/strike/whatever much earlier than you did.

(You have a higher threshold for listening to the 3rd graders there than me, I guess).

by TxKat 2008-03-16 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Rock on.  I left the big orange satan near the end of February.  Some asshats were making the typical asshat comments in my goodbye diary about how "Monty will probably stick around under another name" and such.  But no.  I was serious.  Perhaps that hurt their feelings.  Boo hoo.

It pained me to have to leave behind Hillary supporters who could use some mojo, but it had to be a clean break.  It's good for the soul!

Oh, they also like to claim that the Hillary supporters writing diaries about leaving are seeking attention.  "Why not just leave quietly?" etc.  Duh... so we can let our fellow Clintonites KNOW that we won't be there with them anymore.  It's not goodbye, cruel world.  It's goodbye to friends and compatriots.  We haven't committed suicide; we've simply found better sites to hang around.

Keep the faith!  (As Paul Krugman told me.)

by Montague 2008-03-16 08:18AM | 0 recs
A blog for an Adreneline Fix

For me, MyDD is best interactive blog, because of the fine writing and thoughtful analysis by writers like Susan Hu.

But if you're fresh from dKos, there is a kind of cold turkey twitch.  You're used to battling in a reflex, juvenile blast.  Your system misses the sugar high.

If this is happening to your system, I recommend a temporary supplement to MyDD:   Democratic Underground.  The threads come and go in microsends.  You can battle Trolls until your eyes glaze.

The level is as pitifully stupid as dKos.  

So get your junkfood high at Democratic Underground, and nutritious gourmet sustenance at MyDD.

And f*k Daily Kos!

by earthoat 2008-03-16 08:28AM | 0 recs
Thank you Thank you Alegre

Daily Kos has become damaging to my mental health.  I go there less and less, but thinking of this as a strike makes it easier to stay away.  I think calling it a "writer's strike" is a stroke of brilliance.  What keeps me hooked are the really good diaries (that never make the rec list) that say something unique.  But if the thoughtful folks aren't publishing there anymore, there's no reason for me to go back and expose myself to the combat.  I have no idea if your strike will "work" in terms of changing dKos, but I think it will make life better for a few people.

by hearthmoon 2008-03-16 08:28AM | 0 recs
Daily Obama.

I have been banned twice at Daily Obama and censored at the Obama Post for supporting Clinton.

Just like being banned at all RW blogs for dissent.

It is beyond pathetic but those two blogs are just like the RW blogs now.

by gotalife 2008-03-16 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I think everyday they prove their cultist credentials. If they really believed Obama was the second coming of Dean's 2003 candidacy as all of them apparently fervently believe, based on the issues Obama would have been near the bottom of their choice.

It's not about the issues for them, it's about personality. They adore the guy like evangelicals lionized Bush as some kind messenger for Jesus. Look, I like the guy, he is very likable, but this is about the issues, progressivism and putting an end to Republican tyranny. If it was really about issues and trying to bring in a fighting spirit to Democratic politics, Obama is the last person you would pick.

It's just really funny how for 5 years Daily Kos was all about fighting the GOP and ending the politics of accommodation and capitulation, yet that is exactly what Obama is running on. Claiming that it's not about a cult of personality is downright absurd.

by need some wood 2008-03-16 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I've never understood why they wouldn't get onboard for Kucinich.  All of the criticism leveled at Clinton can also be directed, at varying levels, to Obama--including support for the war.  Kucinich is on the correct side of all the issues we supposedly hold dear in the progressive blogosphere, and all they could do was make fun of Kucinich's looks and speculate about how he got that hot wife.  Oh, and say "ugh!" with no explanation.  I just don't understand it.

by hearthmoon 2008-03-16 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

these people at dk are as blind and ravenous as the bushies they've been raging against for years. I thinks it's hilarious that markos and co don't even deny their bias either.. someones gotta be getting paid

by atomic garden 2008-03-16 09:40AM | 0 recs
No peeking at dkos

new home page is hillaryclinton.com

by Molee 2008-03-16 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

and I have to commend a lot of you guys for fighting the good fight for so long.  I haven't been to that site since after NH when their Dear Leader Markos told them they were all to support the 2nd coming Obama because he just saw Terry Mcauliffe and he's a big jerk!  Well thought out reasoning I must say.

by atomic garden 2008-03-16 09:47AM | 0 recs
Sign Me Up!

I was out of town when all of this started.  I love all the publicity it's getting, and Kos and his increasingly nasty community have brought this on themselves.

Plus posting there is no longer an enjoyable experience anyway.  

Many of you know me as a frequent pro-Hillary diarist and commenter on DailyObamaKos.  No longer - I join the strike in solidarity with all of you!

by markusd 2008-03-16 10:28AM | 0 recs
It really would be NICE

If we could treat Obama supporters HERE like we would like to be treated here and DKOS - and vice versa.

If we could all stick to our opinions, not make YOU statements, but make "I" statements, not name call, not run down Obama or Clinton, I think we would ALL be better off.

Where's Rodney King when we need him?  "Why can't we all just get along?"

There are important issues - Clinton and Obama are very close on many/most of the issues.  What we ALL want is an electable candidate in November.  Some think that Hillary can't be elected.  Some think the same about Obama.

All the talk about superdelegates is ridiculous.  Some people scream "the rules, the rules" and then turn around and say that the superdelegates are to follow their own rules, instead of the Dem Party rules which essentially says, "There are no rules."  

It would be nice if you have made up your mind that you will not vote for Obama if he wins or not vote for Clinton if she wins, to just keep it to yourself.  It sounds like a threat and people don't usually respond well to threats.  I've been angry many times and said to myself, no way am I voting for X.  But I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO LET BLOGGERS I DON'T KNOW, whose true political identity I don't know, whose agenda I don't know, sway my opinion of the candidate!

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-16 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I quit dkos in February.  I just couldn't stand the level of hatred there.  It's sick.

by jfashwell 2008-03-16 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: The anti-Hillary hatred is no different than

And liberals are fascists! Right?

by Lettuce 2008-03-16 11:43AM | 0 recs
why Dkos supports Obama
Daily Kos has - from the beginning - been an "anti DLC" blog. Have any of you actually read Jerome and Markos' book? Crashing the Gates

It's about how to take the Democratic party back from the DLC and the big political consultants. That is what Obama's campaign is about. Millions of small dollar donations and competing in all 50 states.

Hillary is a fine person, but she has surrounded herself with the worst of the DLC. Mark Penn, Terry MacAuliffe, James Carville, etc... These guys are not looking for real reform. They just want to get K-Street to switch sides and reap the pork. Identity politics and the 50%+1 strategy are not Crashing the Gate.

by power of truth 2008-03-16 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: why Dkos supports Obama

I think you need to be aware that Obama is a big money man also.  For one, read this cartoon from today -- by an African-American cartoonist BTW:

http://www.candorville.com/wordpress/200 8/03/16/obamamoney/

Also, read about the money Obama has taken from the Crown family, major investors in Maytag (one is on the board of the company).  The outsourcing by Maytag (closing down their Illinois plant) was a constant theme in his stump speech.  But he never asked Crown to save the jobs.  Crown has been interviewed and affirms this.

by katmandu1 2008-03-16 12:00PM | 0 recs


Start a clearing house of blogs that will stand in contrast to DKOS, TPM, and Huffington Post. I will support it financially.

You guys know better how to do this. I am technologically sophisticated. But, I will certainly contribute financially to that effort.

This process is too important to have out voices muzzled in this manner.

by BigB 2008-03-16 12:13PM | 0 recs

Read The Sideshow everyday. She picks up the most amazing stuff. Or scroll down Eschatonians or Great Dames.

by Alice Marshall 2008-03-16 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I hate to say it since I liked the comments etc... many of you 'strikers' had made over the years, but I think the Obama & Clinton folks, and in this case the 'strikers', are taking themselves a bit too seriously these days.  Personally, I'm sick of seeing each side playing the victim and then acting as if their candidate is pure as the driven snow.  

Here's a novel thought though -- how about directing that energy into defeating McCain instead of doing the dirty work for him by tearing apart our Democratic Candidates?   Because like it or not, this really isn't about Obama or Clinton, it's about retaking America from the neo-cons, the Republicans, and the Corporations for the the average American, and all that this bickering is doing is harming our chances of doing that.

by LionelEHutz 2008-03-16 12:30PM | 0 recs
What makes you think I'm not?

Hmmm?  But right now DKos isn't moving me forward in my understanding of politics, news, or the world.

Well, except for bonddad, KagroX and McJoan.

So I need other sources to inform my political engagement.  

by bartimaeus blue 2008-03-16 12:34PM | 0 recs
Supporting Obama, but joining the strike.

I am disgusted by what has happened over at DKos.  I've been posting for about a year -- lurking for a few before that.  

The content is (almost) useless -- with the exceptions of the stories by KagroX and McJoan on FISA and Congress more generally.

Not going back until it improves.

No hits. No links. Nada.

by bartimaeus blue 2008-03-16 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I could care less about which political consultants are PC or not PC.  I've got a different gate to crash, and I'm not alone.

In blogtopia I care about which sites are sexist and which are civil -- just as a start.  Same for the media whore media.

I'm working to take back the democratic left from the loudmouth horde of faux-left fascist Manichaeans.

"Identity politics"?  Hunh?

Must be faux-left for "shut up, bitch."

by No Blood for Hubris 2008-03-16 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Now I've gotten quite a few emails over the past 24 hours.  Some are from the haters who say eff you I hope you all die but hey, I expected that.  I won't bother posting them here but I think they draw a sharp contrast between Obama's and Hillary's supporters.

Oh, come now. You yourself may be better than those hateful Obama supporters, but that doesn't mean all Clinton supporters are. Every campaign has its honorable supporters as well as its wingnuts, we all know that.

I've been too busy to really use DK in awhile, but I am saddened to hear of its disrespectful decline. Still, I've seen Clinton supporters do that on other pages, and this one has come dangerously close at times. This isn't a problem with either campaign - it's a problem with discourse in general. I guess what I mean to say is I agree with you about the symptoms, but we part on the cause.

by Nathan Empsall 2008-03-16 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Keeping comments reasoned, in a civil tone and without the 'hate filled spew' common on many sites, is a difficult thing.  One of the ways is to make sure that only those of a like mind are welcome and comfortable at a site. Unfortunately, this also tends to filter the ideas and will, in the end, drive people away from either boredom or irritation.

It'll be interesting to see how the different sites do now that there has been a more formalized falling-out betwee different wings of the Democratic (Progressive / Liberal) party.  Over at the Right, there's been this enmity between the Right Wing and the McCain wing, for quite some time. It is kind of fun to poke in and feel the flames scorching the screen.  Oftimes, you can still pick out the nuggets of worthwhile reading from the "G-damn him and his traitorous..." etc, that aren't useful to anyone.

by Gabby777 2008-03-16 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I am very upset at how hateful and angry mydd has become towards Senator Obama.  I hope Jerome and Algere start a mydd boycott as well.

by Socks The Cat 2008-03-16 01:12PM | 0 recs
The funny thing is that

this whole issue in the media just brings more traffic to Dailykos.  Thanks, Alegre.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-16 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I left before the rest of you.  Can I still be counted as a striking writer?

by jarhead5536 2008-03-16 03:31PM | 0 recs
What's the End Game?

What's the end game for this strike/boycott?

I'm new to both MyDD and DailyKos, but over the past few weeks I've seen plenty of posts belittling supporters of both Clinton and Obama on each of these sites. Now this strike seems to be encouraging people to take sides, with the Obama camp flocking to Kos while the Clinton camp migrates here.

How do you see this playing out?

Is the goal to financially cripple Kos by boycotting the site? That seems unlikely if Obama supporters abandon MyDD in equal numbers to the Clinton supporters leaving Kos.

Is the goal to get Kos to moderate comments that you find offensive? If so, who should arbitrate? How do you manage one side or another being shouted down?

Is the goal to create separate pro-HIllary and pro-Obama communities? Wouldn't that just lead to more of an echo chamber where each side congratulates itself while taking shots at the other candidate?

For what it's worth, I'm an Obama supporter and I have never insulted any Clinton supporter or personally attacked their candidate. (My criticism is mostly reserved for Penn and McCauliffe, who I think are leading Clinton down the wrong path, and Ferraro, who I flatly disagreed with.) I've only made a few posts on each site, but I've also never had any Clinton supporter personally attack me. But like I said, I've seen plenty of  rude remarks from both sides.

Rather than resorting to boycotts, wouldn't a better solution be to ask members of both communities to sign a pledge to refrain from personal attacks?

by jdusek 2008-03-16 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

you're still calling this thing a "strike"


So, how much in lost wages?
Who do you pay your dues to?
Where are you picketing, and how cold is it there?
Who are you negotiating with?
What are your "demands" and who has to meet them?

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound with this stuff?

Well, for entertainment value, I give you a 9.
For keeping your monotonous diaries off of DKos, a 10!!

Keep up the great work!!!!!

by AlyoshaKaramazov 2008-03-16 06:06PM | 0 recs
I join you now.

I switched to Hillary today...

by switching sides 2008-03-17 01:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

Thank you for providing a haven for us Hillary supporters who have been locked out, insulted, beseiged by those blogs who seem to want only to promote Sen Obama.  There are only a few others out there who feel the same and I am thankful that you took the lead in taking this stand.  

by Pat J 2008-03-19 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Update on DailyKos Writers Strike

I was banned by DU; and then I started to boycott Dailykos, recently. Being flamed at DU, basically was a way of life for me -especially when I initiated the controversial tsunami HARRP theory.

I think it would help people to understand that "ultra liberalism" does not mix well with the Republican Party or the Democratic Party - just at it did not mix well with the Nazi party.  Read about Franz Jägerstätter, in Germany whom was beheaded by the Nazis because he refused to join the Army.

And, he was very unpopular in Germany - so with Limbaugh equating liberalism with the Dem's was and is a great disservice to the English language, because most of the people at Dailykos or DU, etc., are not liberal Democrats, they are simply Democrats.

JFK was a liberal Democrat, but what made him a great president was that he had the fundamental skill of a liberal, which is the ability to face difficult issues (Courage) - todays liberals; again are not liberals evidenced by the fact the 99.9% of Liberal Dem's are to afraid to call themselves liberals, by even uttering the word liberal.

Thus, if they are to afraid to utter the word liberal , they would then be to afraid to utter the great principles of liberalism.

Ironically, even supporting a politician like Hillary -- as I do -- forces one into traditional liberal politics. It is not difficult for me because I am a ultra liberal, but for Democrats it must be agony. All, I can say look at it like a learning experience; similar to the process great minds JFK had to come to terms with.

by Demagitator 2008-03-25 09:26AM | 0 recs


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