Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Remember that video of that woman outside the DNC meeting on Saturday?  Jane Hamsher interviewed a few folks and this woman was pretty memorable for the anger and passion in her voice.  She also raised a few eyebrows with her words.   Well she's a bit calmer than she was after the DNC's RBC meeting on Saturday, but she's still determined to see this become a fair process.

She's still pissed and so are a lot of Hillary's other supporters - myself included.

(Credit to No Quarter for posting this video)

I've got to disagree with her assertion that 99% of AA voters don't know why they're supporting BO.   But she does have a lot of good points otherwise.  It's worth putting out there for discussion.

I'm hearing from a lot of folks who are saying that if Hillary's not at the top of the ticket, then the Democrats won't get their support in November.  If the DNC don't wake up soon, they could be insuring a defeat for us when it comes to taking back the White House.  Women aren't asking that the nomination be handed to Hillary - only that this be a fair contest where arms aren't twisted and threats aren't made to our super delegates.

Let the people vote.

Let the supers decide between the candidates based on their abilities and experience.

Please - all we're asking is that the party hot-shots STOP trying to railroad us into choosing one nominee over another.

Tags: 2008 elections, Democrats, DNC, Hillary Clinton, president (all tags)



Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Let the people decide - not the party bosses.

by alegre 2008-06-02 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

The people have decided. That's why Obama's won 38 states, and that's why he's about to become our nominee.

by Firewall 2008-06-02 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Oh - so that convention in August... that's just one big coronation then?

Note to Delegates:  No need to show up to vote - your ballots have already been filled out for you.

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

You keep fighting until August. Democrats will rally around our nominee now to battle McCain.

by Firewall 2008-06-02 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show


Hillary and her 17 (nearly 18) million supporters will thank you when the Supers wise up and side with her in Denver. ;o)

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

by Firewall 2008-06-02 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

its not even worth it.

let her say what she wants, its her right to do so.

she isn't even really worth commenting on anymore.

does anyone really care about algere has to say? not like anyone expects to find any truth or anything.

by TruthMatters 2008-06-02 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Can I get that in writing?

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:18PM | 0 recs
C O L !!!

by ragekage 2008-06-02 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I don't care what you have to say. I stopped caring (and stopped reading) a long time ago. Keep fighting the battle. As the days go by, you'll just find yourself defending people that just keep getting more and more reprehensible as all the sane people leave the room.

Like right now, you find yourself in the position of defending a true bigot. One that clearly has a great deal of problems with black people. A couple of months ago, you wouldn't have been reduced to this.

She's a liar anyway. She listed Waitress as her occupation on her donation to Clinton's campaign. She's actually a real estate agent in New York City. So for her to cry about being a second-class citizen is pretty reprehensible in and of itself.

by vcalzone 2008-06-02 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Feel free to troll rate my comment. It probably deserves to be. Sometimes I just have to let stuff out.

by vcalzone 2008-06-02 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Troll rate truth?  Why?

by minnesotaryan 2008-06-03 03:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I care about what you have to say, Alegre.  I don't always agree, but I find your passion, loyalty, and determination inspiring.

You are loved!

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 03:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Even the greatest of HRC supporters are now doing what is best for the party and country. HRC tried to destroy the party and people need to be bigger than her. This is why people were asking her to drop out sooner to stop this from happening. The math was never in her favor.

by comingawakening 2008-06-03 04:18AM | 0 recs
What the hell are you talking about?

How is that a response to my comment?

I'm with Hillary until she says its over.  When that happens, I will gladly support the nominee.  Your arrogance and your making stupid accusations about Hillary trying to "destroy the party" doesn't help with party unity.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Yes, Hillary Clinton tried to destroy the party.  That's a sure-fire way to win friends and influence people.

by Denny Crane 2008-06-03 05:16AM | 0 recs
When Hillary endorses Obama tonight

And promises to fight for the Democratic nominee, you'll be right there with her, won't you?

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-03 04:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Go join the Hillary Party then. You are overly unreasonable.

Does anyone really know Alegre in person? How long has she been in the party or is she new to it? I think we have a Repiglican here. This is not good at all. You must learn how to lose or get out of the party but the vindictiveness is going to destroy this country and for what? So you can be happy that Obama loses? This is an example of an 8 year old mind - recess is over!

by comingawakening 2008-06-03 04:16AM | 0 recs
While I do not agree with

some of what alegre says, and we had our battles when Edwards was still in the race, I sincerely believe that alegre is a good person and a good Democrat.  She and I share many progressive values.

She is no Republican.  She is a strong advocate for her chosen candidate.  That's a good thing. I want people involved.

There is no reason to attack alegre personally.  Disagree on the merits of her arguments.  It's really not hard to be civil if you try.  

by TomP 2008-06-03 04:54AM | 0 recs
Most of those 17-18 million

supporters are Democrats -- you are not.  Most of Clinton supporters are intelligent, classy and hell-bent on putting a Democrat in the WH -- you are not.  Most Clinton supporters do not align themselves with racists, Larry Johnson (redundant) and Fox News -- you do.  If you think you represent those 17-18 million good Democrats, I have news for you, you do not.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 04:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

You need professional help.  

Seriously.  Not snark.

by Deadalus 2008-06-02 09:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Terry McAuliffe just said on the Today show that this isn't going to the credentials committee and it isn't going to the convention.  When Obama rolls out a sufficient number of super delegate endorsements to put him over 2118, Senator Clinton will congratulate him, call him the nominee and get on with the business of unifying the party.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-03 03:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Wow, did he really say that? Because if there's anyone who knows about giving Democrats huge electoral losses, it's Terry McAuliffe.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Well he is Clinton's national co-chair.  Yes, he said it.  IIRC Halperin has it on his page, buried under the Clyburn endorsement.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-03 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Happy to.

Just let me know when someone asks an actual quesiton rather than offer up a load of... well you know.

I tend to ignore furious and idignant BS but hey - that's just me (shrugs).

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Honestly, my 19 year old gave up writing in this style about 3 years ago.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:09PM | 0 recs
Will you....

Will you support Obama if he gets the nomination?

by libertyleft 2008-06-02 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Since when do you ignore your own diaries?

Do I sense a strike on the horizon for MyDD too?

by LtWorf 2008-06-03 03:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Oh, please. Yes.  If all the people who are not supporting the Democratic nominee went on strike, we could actually discuss the race against McCain.

by Gene In PA 2008-06-03 04:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

The Clinton, DLC-bunch are the very definition of 'party bosses.'  Or at least they were.

by Lawyerish 2008-06-02 07:58PM | 0 recs
C O L !!!!

Too rich.  Thanks for the flashback - I haven't seen someoen toss out the DLC at us since we left dKos.  Always good for a laugh ;o)

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: C O L !!!!

Are you going to answer any questions, alegre, or just hide behind TRs?

by Firewall 2008-06-02 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: C O L !!!!

What are you laughing about? The DLC is indeed the epitome of insider politics, cozying up to the corporate types, playing it up with the lobbying big money crowd, all in the name of making the party more moderate.

Deal with the issue sometime instead of throwing out a quip that isn't remotely convincing.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:06PM | 0 recs
Re: C O L !!!!

If you don't think the DLC is perfectly happy with Obama as the nominee then you don't know much about the DLC. Half the guy's domestic policy staff are DLCers. The only thing they disagree on is Iraq, and foreign policy was never the DLC's strong suit.

by souvarine 2008-06-02 08:47PM | 0 recs
They endorsed Clinton...

Look at their website.  She's on their Leadership Team and Bill founded the organization.  The DLC candidate is clear.  Now they'll endorse Obama when he's the candidate, but that does not mean he was their first choice.

by nklein 2008-06-03 04:36AM | 0 recs
Re: They endorsed Clinton...

Bill Clinton didn't found the DLC. Al Fromm, Will Marshall, Sam Nunn, Dick Gephardt and a handful of others founded it. The DLC did not endorse this cycle, they liked all of the viable candidates, including Clinton and Obama.

Obama's policies are very much aligned with the DLC, arguably more so than Clinton's.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 08:58AM | 0 recs
And yet their website has only one

candidate's economic policy on its homepage.  And the Clintons most certainly helped found the DLC.  I really like what he says here:

President Bill Clinton, in his speech to the 1998 DLC Annual Conference, said, "[New Democrat ideas] are reviving center-left political parties throughout the industrialized world as people everywhere struggle to put a human face on the global economy. Today, less than 15 years after we started, the ideas pushed by the DLC are literally sweeping the world."

Did you notice that "we"?  And the coup de grace is that Clinton is on the DLC's Leadership Team.  It is just ridiculous to claim that Obama is more tainted by the DLC than Clinton.

by nklein 2008-06-03 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: And yet their website has only one

I haven't claimed anyone was more "tainted" by the DLC. I've said that the DLC is happy with either candidate, and that if you look at Obama's plans they are more aligned with the DLC's domestic policy approach than Clinton's are.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 12:49PM | 0 recs
Then why aren't his domestic plans on their...


by nklein 2008-06-03 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: C O L !!!!

Do you always greet uncomfortable facts with nervous laughter?

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-03 03:43AM | 0 recs
We've mentioned the DLC many a time

and been ignored by the true believers, because Hillary is a woman.  It's not about policy with a good many of her supporters.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-03 05:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show


If TX caucus fraud is such a glaring and terrible problem, why no statement on it from the Clinton campaign or a single TX superdelegate or elected official?  

Have they come down with a severe case of shyness?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Tsk Tsk Tsk... for someone who so enjoys playing in my sandbox whenever I post a diary, you clearly haven't bothered to read tonight's other post - have you? :)

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

You have bloggers commenting on other bloggers. No one in the Clinton campaign or the TX Democratic party has said a peep - why's that?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

They issued two press statements the day of the caucuses.

Just go read my other diary.  There's a link to one of them there.

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:14PM | 0 recs
Is this snark?

Serious question.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

ah, so that one is your sock-puppet, I suspected, but thanks for verifying it

by zerosumgame 2008-06-02 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

Is this snark?

Serious question.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 08:31PM | 0 recs
Obama supporters do not engage.

Let this person vent by her lonesome.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters do not engage.

sigh, such a pungent straight line. so sad he is humor-impaired and does not even realize it :)

by zerosumgame 2008-06-02 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters do not engage.

I laugh at your comments all the time. Does that count?

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Really, Alegre, do you think this is helping Clinton, or is it just a habit now? Does it bother you even the Clinton supporters, by and large, find you lacking in any credibility now?

Seriously, how many times do I have to say this? We've seen what real Clinton supporters act like time and time again here- and they can support Senator Clinton and fight like hell for her without resorting to propaganda, rhetoric, intellectual dishonesty, and sourcing primarily from hate sites. Look at grlpatriot's diary on the rec list right now- she actually spent time trying to talk and defend herself, her point of view, and Senator Clinton. She didn't engage in a hit and run multiple smear-diary spamming streak.

I hope you're prepared for the post-primary period, when nobody will take you seriously- ever again.

by ragekage 2008-06-02 08:01PM | 0 recs
The people already decided. Went for Obama.

Gave him a majority of elected delegates back on May 20th.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-02 08:06PM | 0 recs
Is snark serious?

This is a question.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-02 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Alegre, you do realize that part of Sen. Clinton's rationale for many weeks was precisely that party bosses (super delegates) actually get to decide.  Her point being and stated repeatedly that this is NOT a Democratic process.  I don't necessarily agree, but thought you'd like to know that you were arguing a point opposite your candidate.

by niksder 2008-06-03 04:26AM | 0 recs
Why do you solicit links from hate sites

and use diatribes from bigots to support your diary?

And why won't you vote for Obama if he's the nominee?

by Firewall 2008-06-02 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Why do you solicit links from hate sites

And why do you troll rate when you can't answer questions, alegre?

by Firewall 2008-06-02 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Why do you solicit links from hate sites

Hey, she knows her rating history will be erased whenever she wants.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:04PM | 0 recs
Good christ

why does anyone hang around this site?  After a week of posting, I've got slack jawed, half-literate trolls following me around tr'ing innocuous comments cause they doesn't like me.  

Meanwhile, this character gets 'protection' from the owner of the site so people who tr her lose their ability to rate so the site winds up with more slack-jawed morons with the ability to rate diaries than people capable of critical thinking.

Is that overly harsh?  Where are the mydd folks who stick up for truth and stuff?  Why in the hell, on a progressive blog, would those be the people in the minority getting pushed around by these low characters?  

Seriously, tr me if it feels productive but I'd seriously love to have someone explain exactly what gives on this site?  

by Sun Dog 2008-06-02 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

It is strange but somehow compelling.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

Ditto. I'm here from DK to watch the meltdown. Made an account so I could tackle some of the more egregious lies I kept seeing on the wreck list.

by Firewall 2008-06-02 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

Is it like craning your neck to look at a car crash?

I sometimes wonder if parody troll actually got it right.    

Does this just become a fully Republican leaning site if Hillary does indeed conceed tomorrow?  Or are there a whole slew of sane, smart Hillary supporters who are just waiting it out before getting into it against McCain?  

by Sun Dog 2008-06-02 08:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

There are quite a few rational ones, but I wonder what will happen after she concedes, too.  Unfortunately for the owner, probably a drop in ad revenue from the drop in site visits.

by minnesotaryan 2008-06-03 04:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

Is it like craning your neck to look at a car crash?

I sometimes wonder if parody troll actually got it right.    

Does this just become a fully Republican leaning site if Hillary does indeed conceed tomorrow?  Or are there a whole slew of sane, smart Hillary supporters who are just waiting it out before getting into it against McCain?  

by Sun Dog 2008-06-02 08:34PM | 0 recs
Sorry about the double post

not sure how that happens.  

by Sun Dog 2008-06-02 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

The crash analogy is quite on (as is the cliff note below).

I've been posting about how things will have to change soon. The site's either going to start pretending to be a progressive blog again (which means no more front-page hit jobs and coddling McCain trolls and Clinton dead-enders)...or it'll become a full-blown H44esque site. Either way, the admin will have to decide whether they're running a pro-D nominee or pro-R nominee/anti-D nominee site in a few days.

I'm hoping for the former. Don't think I'll stick around to watch things fully devolve in the other direction.

by Firewall 2008-06-02 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

Sometimes I get a little upset that such a pioneering website has falling so far but I keep holding out hope that it will bounce back after the diehard Hillary crowd finally sees reality.  I'm hoping that will happen this week and the mods won't let the stupid stretch out until the convention.

In the mean time, there's some serious comedy here, it's usually funnier, and less believable, than The Onion.

by Gene In PA 2008-06-03 04:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

We like the gladiatorial aspect of this blog, it's true.  A guilty pleasure, to be sure, best used in moderation.  Some of you are here all the livelong day, however, and to you I say...get a life.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-03 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Good christ

I agree completely.

It's like seeing someone on a bicycle pedaling toward the edge of a cliff. You feel you have to do something, but since nothing you say or do will stop it, all you can really do is stand and watch.

It's been a little horrifying.

I hope that, once the nomination is determined, the site is swept clean of these McCain trolls, and Jerome's little experiment in maintaining "fairness and balance" by protecting them will be over.

by BobzCat 2008-06-02 08:32PM | 0 recs
I've wondered that

It has seemed like the site developed the FOX paradigm in that way.  The notion that you have to be 'fair and balanced' about both candidates even when one of them might be lying their ass off.  Truth doesn't rule the day, it's considered subjective as hell.  This usually happens when you have a sort of ruling majority who has no interest in arriving at the truth.  

by Sun Dog 2008-06-02 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Well..

"It's demented and sad, but social." - Bender from the Breakfast Club.

by LtWorf 2008-06-03 03:54AM | 0 recs
Because she can't take

the heat and has left the kitchen for the latrine.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 04:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Women aren't asking that the nomination be handed to Hillary - only that this be a fair contest where arms aren't twisted and threats aren't made to our super delegates

What are you talking about?  

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

The ironic thing is that the Clinton's have done the same arm twisting of superdelegates.  It just makes no sense.

by jturn17 2008-06-02 08:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Their entire campaign has been predicated on it for some time now.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-03 03:46AM | 0 recs
The threat of a primary challenge?

When did the Clintons do this?

In an interview Palmer still sounded riled about a few things he had heard about. One of them, reported by the Associated Press, was a private conversation between Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), a Clinton supporter, and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), one of Obama's national campaign co-chairmen. Both lawmakers are superdelegates. Jackson had asked Cleaver if he wanted to go down in history as someone who prevented an African American from occupying the White House for the first time. Separately, Jackson told the AP that supporting Clinton in districts where Obama won overwhelmingly might place those politicians at risk of a primary challenge.

Or this?

Some have already gotten the message. Until last week, Lewis was one of Clinton's most prominent black supporters, an icon from the civil rights movement whose endorsement last fall was a major coup, underscoring the strong bonds between the Clintons and many African American leaders.

Lewis described his defection as more anguishing than his decision to lead the "Bloody Sunday" march in 1965 from Selma to Montgomery, Ala., when he was nearly beaten to death. In a statement issued last week, he explained that he viewed Obama's campaign as "the beginning of a new movement in American political history" and that he wanted "to be on the side of the people."

Before his switch, Lewis came under strong pressure from Obama allies in the Congressional Black Caucus, including Reps. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. (Ill.) and Artur Davis (Ala.), and from a burgeoning movement of black bloggers and activists who believe that some of their elders -- even a legend like Lewis -- have grown too comfortable and out of touch. He also drew a primary challenge from the Rev. Markel Hutchins, an Atlanta activist who attacked Lewis for going against the will of his constituents.

"The attitude is, 'I've been here, I've earned this right, leave me alone -- I get to do what I want.' Well, that's just not true," said James Rucker, founder of ColorOfChange.org, a 400,000-member group seeking to shake up the African American political status quo.

Rucker's group launched a petition drive last week to pressure Tubbs Jones and her pro-Clinton black caucus colleagues to support Obama as superdelegates at the convention. The signature tally was up to 18,000 late last week. "It will take courage and conviction for CBC members to break with back-room politics and stand up for democracy. But we must demand it," the pledge card reads.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 04:23AM | 0 recs
I would say publicly calling the first and only...

Hispanic governor in this country's history a "Judas" is worse than any statement Jesse Jackson Jr. said.  And this was also not 6 months removed from when his father was calling out Obama for not speaking out on the Jena 6 (which Obama had done).  The arm-twisting has been both ways and female legislators have felt significant pressure to support potentially the first female president.  It's been a tough race, but that leaves no reason to air the words of a woman who is blind to the broader picture for the sake of a candidate.  I've said this before and I'll say it again; I will support the Democratic nominee, even if Clinton snatches victory from the jaws of defeat here, because we cannot accept another four years of this war.  This woman (Harriet) cries only for Clinton's perceived insults here and ignores the horrific situation our country is in and how much worse it will get with John McCain.

by nklein 2008-06-03 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

There's nothing corrupt about telling an elected official how you want them to vote. If you think there is, you haven't understood basic constitutional and democratic principles.

However, trying to bribe superdelegates seems to be to be something quite different -- as major Clinton donors have done.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 05:02AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

There's nothing corrupt about telling SD's to vote this way or you'll get a primary challenge.  I was pointing out that the arm-twisting has gone both ways.

And bribes?  Hmm.  Do you have a link on that?  I have link for using leadership PAC's to curry favor in early voting states:

When Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) launched his presidential campaign in January, he stopped raising money for his Hopefund, the political action committee he used to raise millions for fellow Democrats in previous campaigns. But in recent months, Obama has handed out more than $180,000 from the nearly dormant PAC to local Democratic groups and candidates in the key early-voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, campaign reports show.

Some of the recipients of Hopefund's largess are state and local politicians who have recently endorsed Obama's presidential bid. Obama's PAC reported giving a $1,000 contribution, for instance, to New Hampshire state Sen. Jacalyn Cilley on July 25, six days before she announced she was endorsing Obama for president.


Fundraising vehicles known as leadership PACs, which can raise money in much larger chunks than candidates can for their own campaigns, have been a frequent target for criticism by watchdog groups. They argue that leadership PACs allow candidates to skirt campaign contribution and donation limits.

Scott Thomas, a Democrat and a former FEC chairman, said "there's probably no doubt" the PAC donations were aimed at increasing support for Obama's presidential race. "But in my experience, the commission has not had the stomach to reach out and characterize those kinds of contributions as impermissible," Thomas said.

Kent Cooper, the FEC's retired chief of public disclosure, said the commission, if it chose, could declare that Obama's presidential campaign and PAC were "affiliated," meaning some activities involving the PAC could be declared in-kind contributions to the presidential campaign that would exceed current donation limits.

"At this stage of the race, for a presidential candidate, it is a brazen effort to use every avenue to influence an election," Cooper said. "I can't believe the Obama people can keep a straight face and claim these aren't part of the presidential race."

And here's another:

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign helped recommend several of the donations his political action committee made in recent months to politicians in key primary states as the campaign was working to secure endorsements, campaign officials said yesterday.

The acknowledgment alters the campaign's original account of how donations were directed and raised questions among some legal experts about whether the presidential committee was using Obama's leadership PAC to benefit his campaign. The Obama campaign said it is confident it complied with the law.

Obama's Hopefund Inc. distributed more than $180,000 in donations to political groups and candidates in the early presidential voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and more than $150,000 to federal candidates in other states with primary dates through mid-February. The donations accounted for nearly three-quarters of the money the PAC has given out since this summer.


Bauer said he is confident that the PAC and the campaign complied with rules the Federal Election Commission enacted in December 2003 governing how leadership PACs can operate when their candidate is running for office. "There's not even a remote question about whether this is legal," he said.

Campaign law experts, however, said they were less certain. They noted that the 2003 rules state that any leadership PAC expenditure coordinated with the politician's campaign should be treated as "in-kind contributions" subject to a limit of $5,000. The rules define a coordinated expense as any made in "cooperation or concert with or at the request or suggestion" of a campaign.

"I think this is something the commission should look at. If the money was, in fact, used to help the campaign, was requested by the campaign and coordinated with the campaign, then it could be considered an in-kind contribution," Lawrence Noble, the FEC's retired chief counsel, said.

Former FEC chairman Scott E. Thomas, a Democrat who served on the commission when the 2003 rule was approved, said the FEC at the time was focused more on how to keep PACs from subsidizing presidential campaigns by picking up the costs of polling, salary and other goods and services.

"He is clearly pushing the envelope, no doubt," Thomas said. "I would clearly recommend the commission take another look at this to see if there is some reasonable line that can be drawn so presidential campaigns aren't directing donations from the PAC a few months before the primaries."

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 05:27AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

You are an admitted republican, why are you on this site?

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

GDI, that wasn't for you, but there were so many replies I can't figure out where it went now.  HA-HA, sorry about that.

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

See my comment, mis-reply

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 05:44AM | 0 recs
It's all good.

Obama will clench tonight, so we'll be on the same side in a few hours.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

Uhm, on several occasions, like when Clinton donors tried to blackmail Nancy Pelosi into shutting up over how delegates should vote, or (and here's a good one) 200 Clinton supporters threatening to blackmail the Rules committee with a vote for the opposition if the Queen wasn't anointed.

by authority song 2008-06-03 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

So a handful of donors threatened to cut off money if Pelosi didn't stop pushing SD's to Obama?  Oh, that's way worse than threatening a elected officials with a primary challenge.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 05:32AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

Uh, no, it's about the same. Its just funny that you accuse a candidate of twisting arms when his opponent came into the race with a triple-digit lead in party insider votes - you think they made that decision based on the issues?

by authority song 2008-06-03 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: The threat of a primary challenge?

I don't think they did it because they threatened to fund primary challenges.

They endorsed Hillary the same reason the SD's are now breaking for Obama.  They want to back the winner.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Yeah, all those emails to the superdelegates are totally useful.

The novelty of famous suitors and media interviews long ago eroded into exhaustion, and now state Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter of South Carolina is just plain sick of all this. An undecided superdelegate to the Democratic National Convention in August, she opens her e-mail inbox each morning and deletes a handful of threatening notes sent by strangers. Campaign followers call her incessantly. She struggles to find time to run her own campaign for reelection.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 04:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Come to think of it - one of the other videos included a woman who said something that really stuck with me...

I've been a Democrat for 40 years.

Those party bosses in there have given us 2 Democratic Presidents in all that time!

They really don't have a great track record - do they?

by alegre 2008-06-02 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

100 of these party bosses endorsed Hillary before a single vote was cast.

by Firewall 2008-06-02 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Good point.

Besides which, if the RBC decision had gone differently, what would have been a viable path to the nomination based on the number of delegates necessary?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

SO what's you're point?  Those were super delegates.  I'm talking about Dean, Pelosi et al, who seem intent on short-circuiting this process.

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Why are you using racists to support your diaries, alegre?

And why won't you vote for Barack Obama as the nominee?

Answer my questions, and I'll be happy to answer your questions.

by Firewall 2008-06-02 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

How is anyone shortcircuiting anything? The primaries are over on Tuesday.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:21PM | 0 recs
It's called uniting the party

Give Nancy Pelosi her cred as the strongest female in the Congress.

I don't recall Nancy using sex as a wedge issue to try and rile up women voters to get elected.

by missliberties 2008-06-03 04:56AM | 0 recs
Party bosses haven't had a say since 1968.

40 years ago, McGovern-Fraser commission. When party bosses controlled most state delegations (no primaries/caucuses), the Democratic nominee tended to win most of the time.

The statement you are referencing reeks of ignorance.

It's the Democratic electorate who's been choosing losers (granted, that could be used as an argument against Obama, since the Democratic electorate chose him; but since this women is claiming Obama was chosen by the "party bosses," it actually bodes well for Obama)

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-02 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Party bosses haven't had a say since 1968.

Maybe she means the primary voters are the party bosses. Or something.

by elrod 2008-06-02 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Party bosses haven't had a say since 1968.

There's only one boss in my Democratic party:

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 04:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Yes, and Hillary Clinton was the party bosses' candidate of choice, like Kerry was in 2004.  Think of all the party bosses and leaders, mostly men, who backed Hillary before any votes were cast- Bill, McAuliffe, Ickes, Fowler, Carville, Schumer, Feinstein, Rendell, Bayh.  

Talk about an unfair race, Obama was already down 100 delegates even before the first votes were cast.    How is that democratic or fair or show that Obama was the party bosses' chosen candidate from the beginning?  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-02 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Gee, I didn't know

That Dean and Pelosi have been party insiders for 40 years.  I thought that was a status that, you know, you had to work up to...oh silly me.

by LtWorf 2008-06-03 03:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

After tomorrow, 'you' will be done choosing.  The supers will have decided it for Obama.  You can choose to sit out the Fall election or not.  I'm guessing that the vast majority of Clinton supports will vote for Obama this Fall.

One nominee has to be chosen over the other.  It was inevitable that one would lose.  Clinton lost.  That's all there is to it.  On to the next round.

by Lawyerish 2008-06-02 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

So the convention in August... just one big party to coronate the king then?

Quick - tell the delegates!  No need to turn up because their ballot's have already been filled out for them.

by alegre 2008-06-02 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

When was the last time the convention actually made a choice between nominees?

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show


by Jess81 2008-06-02 08:59PM | 0 recs
Have you ever seen a convention?

It is one big party to hype the nominee. That's literally it's purpose in modern politics... a giant infomercial for the candidate.

The voting is a formality.

by Tatan 2008-06-02 08:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Yes, that's exactly what it represents.  4 days of free advertising for the Fall.  Not a place to fight out one's personal battles.

by Lawyerish 2008-06-02 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Yes, it is one big party.  It's a celebration and kick-off to the general election race.  That's why most candidates get a huge bounce in the polls after the convention.  After 4 days of making the candidate sound like the next coming of FDR and JFK combined, how can one not?  

That's why everyone wants to avoid any floor fight or controversy, because that would totally destroy the party's ability to use the convention to create momentum and positive buzz about the nominee.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-02 09:42PM | 0 recs
Once again, Alegre

Clinton will endorse Obama tonight or tomorrow, that's why she has summoned her supporters to New York.  She will do her best to unify the party and campaign hard for Obama, the nominee of the Democratic Party.  Hard as she and you have fought, you would do well to follow her example.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-06-03 05:27AM | 0 recs
She's really making the rounds

She was just on Jon Stewart's show. Turns out she's his grandmother.

"I'm from Manhattan!"

by 79blondini 2008-06-02 07:57PM | 0 recs
Wouldn't she be Harriet Jewish then?

Jon Stuart Leibovitz probably doesn't have a Christian grandmother.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-06-02 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I cannot believe that you first posted something from that racist website NoQuarter and then had the nerve to defend this racist. I don't care how "calm" she is now, she is still a racist.

You are a disgrace allergy.

by sweet potato pie 2008-06-02 07:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I find it ironic that someone w/ the name "trytobereal" TR'ed sweet potato pie's comment.

by Rumproast 2008-06-02 10:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

you know what alegre you are right the democratic party isn't what you thought it was, you should leave and take all those like Harriet Christian with you.

by TruthMatters 2008-06-02 07:59PM | 0 recs
Michelle Obama: Bloggers lie

Not all of them

"The wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama told a few hundred supporters gathered at the Billings Hotel and Convention Center they had to remain active in their communities and do their own research on issues in order the change the country's political path.

"The way this campaign has been run is the way we need to be forever," Obama said. "Don't trust bloggers or someone else's opinion, because people lie."

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/ 2008/06/02/news/local/16-obama.txt

Kos does, for example.  

by katmandu1 2008-06-02 08:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: Bloggers lie

Of course bloggers lie. They lie all the time. The beauty of the blogosphere, however, is that other bloggers can fact-check lies.

by elrod 2008-06-02 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: Bloggers lie

I guess Michelle has been reading No Quarter.

by Rumproast 2008-06-02 10:01PM | 0 recs
There is a diary on the rec list at DKos

that made me change my mind about some things.  It's called 'I Was That Crazy Screaming Woman'.

I've never been that crazy screaming woman so I just didn't understand.  Now I do.  I'm sorry that I was callous and hope you and others will accept my sincere apology.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6 /2/221720/2609/44/527797

by GFORD 2008-06-02 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I've got to disagree with her assertion that 99% of AA voters don't know why they're supporting BO.

Yet you still link to the video and agree with this person on other issues.

You are such a hypocrite. It's been some time since I posted in your propaganda pieces but this is a new low for you alegre.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Once again, a non substantive comment --  why bother?

by katmandu1 2008-06-02 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

You stalking me now?

I love your outdated links and busted talking points by the way.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

What's wrong with posting the video?  She said that she disagreed with her characterization of black voters.

Did you watch the video?  The woman is angry and there are a lot of other angry women out there.  For a long time, pundits and Obama supporters assumed the Clinton people were a lock in the end and that was part of his electability argument earilier in the primary campaign:

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

The reality may be ugly, but it's there.  I think it's important that we hear arguments like that.  Ms. Christian may be a lost cause but there are a lot of others out there like her who probably aren't.

by psychodrew 2008-06-03 04:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show


What time does Obama take the stage tomorrow night?

by neonplaque 2008-06-02 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

If the crazy old person wants to vote for McCain, whatever. It's allegedly a free country. If she wants to throw in with fascists and corporatists and the radical religious right, whatever. It's allegedly a free country. If her hurt feelings are more important to her than 1,000,000 dead Iraqis and at least 5,000 dead soldiers, not including those that committed suicide because they could not reconcile their hurt, well, whatever. It is, allegedly, a free country. If her inflated sense of self worth causes her to choose to saddle her daughters and granddaughters with a supreme court that will strip them of the right to make medical decisions on their own terms, no one can stop her.
It's a free country.

Don't ask me to empathize with her. If she chooses to join the enemy, I will fight her. Without mercy.

by awobbly 2008-06-02 08:10PM | 0 recs
knock it off campskunk

You are engaging in ratings abuse, hiderating comments that you don't agree with. I have reported your abuse.

by awobbly 2008-06-02 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: knock it off campskunk

Nothing will be done about it.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 05:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I'm hoping she becomes a celebrity and openly campaigns for McCain!  Let McCain be defined by people railing against "inadequate BLACK men".  It would be a boon to the Democrats to have the Republicans associated with her.

by sneakers563 2008-06-02 09:24PM | 0 recs

don't quote that RACIST.

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:12PM | 0 recs
She is not a racist

enough. She is for civil rights and worked in the civil rights movement. What makes her a racist?

by catfish2 2008-06-02 08:21PM | 0 recs
Yes she is, you heard her remarks.

Hillary wouldn't want us to use that woman's disgraceful conduct as an example. She'd be disgusted.

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:23PM | 0 recs
Sorry, I don't see a racist there.

She made one gaffe but I don't think she meant it - that 99% of blacks did not know why they voted for Obama. I think she meant to say the media will not say why 99% of blacks voted Obama, but they will say whites were racist when they turned out in big numbers for Hillary.

Other than that, what do you find objectionable? Is it her voice? Her age? Her outrage?

by catfish2 2008-06-02 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, I don't see a racist there.

I think she meant to say the media will not say why 99% of blacks voted Obama

If that's what she meant to say, why didn't she say it in the first place? And what exactly was that "inadequate black male" garbage?

What do her age, voice, and outrage have to do with anything? It's her racist remarks I take issue with. The fact that she supports Hillary doesn't excuse them in the least.

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:34PM | 0 recs
Inadequacy is colorblind

She lives in Manhattan so I really doubt she's a racist redneck.

That if it were anybody else he would be out by now. She was making the point in her interview, and the earlier YouTube, that the party spoke out against racism in the media but sat silent in the face of all the sexism.

by catfish2 2008-06-02 08:37PM | 0 recs
You don't have to live

in the South to be a racist. And plenty of us "rednecks" down here aren't racist.

But nevermind. If you honestly, in good conscience, believe this woman deserves our respect, admiration, and defense, then you and alegre can have at it. I'm just shocked, really shocked.

But let me say one more thing: The enemy of your enemy is NOT necessarily your friend. Think about that when you're passionately defending this woman's indefensible words, simply because she condemned the DNC, Obama, and his supporters.

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Inadequacy is colorblind

If inadequacy is colorblind, then why did she specifically mention that Obama is black?

by Angry White Democrat 2008-06-02 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Inadequacy is colorblind

She's not racist, she meant to say that Obama is an UNQUALIFIED black man, not inadequate.  Saying Obama is an unqualified black man must be okay, since that's essentially what Geraldine Ferraro said about Obama.  

And Obama is clearly unqualified compared to Hillary. I mean, look how weak his resume is:

Went to Columbia University.  What, couldn't get into Yale?

Went to Harvard Law School.  Probably because of affirmative action, I'm sure.

Graduated in the top 10% of his class at Harvard Law School and was editor in chief of the Law Review, the most prestigious position a Harvard Law student can hold.  Must have gotten lucky.

Civil rights attorney. What, couldn't get a job at a big corporate law firm?  

Law professor at University of Chicago Law School, one of the top 5 law schools in the nation, teaching constitutional law.  It was just a part time job.

Chicago wanted Obama full time, but he turned down their overtures to go into politics.  Couldn't hack it.

11 years of legislative experience in the Illinois state senate and in the US Senate.  Hillary has him beat with 16 years of experience - 8 in the US Senate and 8 in the White House.

See?  Obama is clearly unqualified and Harriet Christian was just saying what we all know to be 100% true.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-06-02 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Inadequacy is colorblind

"If Obama were anyone else, he'd be out by now".

Damn straight.  If he weren't the finest politician to have surfaced in the last several decades, the machine would have crushed him.

You'll be glad when he's our president that Obama is exactly who he is.

Oh, and it's been said, but your comment is highly offensive to us rednecks.  Plenty of city people succeed in being racist, too.  Not sure why your life experience hasn't let you see that.

by reenactor 2008-06-02 09:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Inadequacy is colorblind

She lives in Manhattan so I really doubt she's a racist redneck.

You're kidding, right?  No racists in NYC?  I grew up in the area and trust me, there are plenty of of white racists there.

by Gene In PA 2008-06-03 05:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry, I don't see a racist there.

One gaffe?

It's sad how you engage a decent and respected Clinton supporter like sricki and defend a bigot like Harriet.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 08:34PM | 0 recs
Did she say which side of the civil

rights movement she was on?

She is for civil rights and worked in the civil rights movement.


by 79blondini 2008-06-02 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: She is not a racist

You missed her racist tirade?  You should look up the video of her freaking out on Saturday.

by Same As It Ever Was 2008-06-03 03:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Give it up for the alegre blues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAvlYLCYO DU&feature=related

by nogo postal 2008-06-02 08:13PM | 0 recs
poor trolls

they are so despondent.

by JJE 2008-06-02 08:21PM | 0 recs
notice something?

Clinton supporters just love Fox News these day!

by politicsmatters 2008-06-02 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Old news... you were pissed when you posted at nomytwentyfivecents.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/ thou-shalt-not-steal-updated/

The comments to your post say it all...

Why does MyDD etc love no25cents

by nogo postal 2008-06-02 08:16PM | 0 recs
Nice detective work

No Quarter is beyond the pale - an absolute disgrace to the whole idea of progressive politics.

I wonder if Alegre is one of the people who are testing strategies at pro-Clinton communities on the web.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/2/16235 5/0928

by obsessed 2008-06-02 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice detective work

First reply I found, and this is from a regular:

"Well maybe Barky wants to do what his cousin in Kenya is doing. Commit genocide on the people who won't vote for you."

Congratulations Alegre.  Get lost.

by Jess81 2008-06-02 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice detective work


Cannot believe what they did to that woman's arm. These people are savages just as I have been saying all along.

I wouldn't let one of them near me without my dog.

by Jess81 2008-06-02 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice detective work

Incidentally, the "bruised women" had those bruises on her arms long before she was asked to leave. I was standing next to her for most of the afternoon (including when she was asked to leave, and none of the security guards touched her).

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 05:07AM | 0 recs
Neil Cavuto is a truly disgusting person

Do you see where this "enemy of my enemy is my friend" approach is getting us?

To battle Obama, HRC and her supporters are finding themselves with some very unsavory bedfellows, and some very unsavory conservative talking points.

by obsessed 2008-06-02 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Alegre, this doesn't help Hill's case at all. Harriet's remarks were totally inapprproriate and Hillary herself would have been ashamed of them. Please don't try to martyr her for this.

by zcflint05 2008-06-02 08:17PM | 0 recs
I stand with Harriet

Like Alegre, the only statement I disagree with is that 99% of the black people who voted for him don't know why they did. In fact, I think she corrected herself in the next statement saying that it's only racist if whites vote for the white candidate.

She is a strong woman and I commend her for speaking out.

Shame on you for calling her old and crazy.

by catfish2 2008-06-02 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I stand with Harriet

I've got to disagree with her assertion that 99% of AA voters don't know why they're supporting BO.

Not old and crazy, but definetly a RACIST.

I have no idea why you and alegre are trying to make out this person as a martyr. It really says alot about what you are willing to defend in order to promote your agenda.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-02 08:29PM | 0 recs
If she had said women were crazy

because most of them vote for Hillary you'd be calling her sexist. So let's not kid ourselves.

by 79blondini 2008-06-02 08:32PM | 0 recs
She's a racist

Sorry - but she is.

Whatever suspicions I had after her tirade at the RBC were confirmed by this interview.

Some of you folks make this mistake of thinking to be a 'racist', one must run around in sheets, screaming N*** at the top of one's lungs.

That's not the case.

This woman has shown her true colors and they aren't pretty.   That so many folks - apparently, enough to get this diary on the wreck list - are lining up behind her disgusts me.

There are plenty of strong women who have plenty of important and powerful things to say.

This racist asshole isn't one of them.

by zonk 2008-06-03 04:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Harriet Christian is the personification of that angry email you fired off in the heat of the moment that you desperately wish you could recall.

by jdusek 2008-06-02 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

alegre says
"row faster"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMBeKmViV lA

by nogo postal 2008-06-02 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I am a horrible blogger but I am glad she was able to get on the air and clarify herself. There was a report on the Hypocritepost from a blogger who sat next to her in the meeting and thought she was a cool lady and was really sorry for egging her on. Sometimes frank honesty hurts. Some people just don't want to admit that there has been reverse racism and classism in this primary season.I never though I would live to see the day in the democratic party when I would hear other "party" members make vile remarks about working class whites. They been called racist, ignorant, under educated, low information voters, dixiecrats just to name a few.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-06-02 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Source or retract.

by Jess81 2008-06-02 09:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Just look at the posts by your side on Kos and some of the other Obama sites. You guys have been your worse enemy for some time and people are not dumb. They know when they are being talked down to and at by the media and the candidates.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-06-03 06:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Oh yeah, she clarified herself.

"99% of blacks don't know why they're supporting Obama".

She made it crystal clear what kind of person she is.


I hope she does leave the party - I'll help her switch her registration, we don't need people like her.

by zonk 2008-06-03 04:42AM | 0 recs
Ann Althouse...

...wrote a very interesting piece about you Alegre.  Thought you might want to know.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/06/har mony-that-existed-between-mydd-and.html

by asherrem 2008-06-02 08:31PM | 0 recs
Hm, I have to admit,

I have little use for Althouse. She really jumped the shark with that "NIG" theory.

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:35PM | 0 recs
She jumped the shark long ago

when she went after Jessica Valenti for having breasts in the vicinity of Bill Clinton.

by JJE 2008-06-02 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Hm, I have to admit,

First time I've read her actually.  I was poking around in the blogs looking for other Wisconsinites.  

Is she a Dkos user?

by asherrem 2008-06-02 08:41PM | 0 recs
Far as I know, she's just a nut. n/t

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Far as I know, she's just a nut. n/t

Well cripes, I'm all intrigued now.

by asherrem 2008-06-02 08:51PM | 0 recs

read this idiotic screed. It'll probably dampen your curiosity a bit. The woman is obviously off her meds half the time.

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:54PM | 0 recs

That's hilarious.

She had to have written it before the "black" white girl came out saying she supported Obama, right?

Off her meds is right.

by asherrem 2008-06-02 09:00PM | 0 recs
Told ya! ;) n/t

by sricki 2008-06-02 09:02PM | 0 recs


That was ridiculous.

by emptythreatsfarm 2008-06-03 07:01AM | 0 recs
Harriet smokes a lot of cigarettes

So it sounds to me.  She should bond with Barack over a smoke.  He could backslide just this once.

by JJE 2008-06-02 08:36PM | 0 recs
A suggestion for Harriet

by jdusek 2008-06-02 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Alegre's Crew
(posted as information only for those without


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeZozn33S vA

by nogo postal 2008-06-02 08:44PM | 0 recs
Are those

the recommenders? Odd. Isn't GFORD an Obama supporter?

by sricki 2008-06-02 08:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Are those

Yes - a shame rec probably.

by interestedbystander 2008-06-02 11:01PM | 0 recs
Hm, and have you noticed

that this appears to be the only alegre diary we've seen in months that hasn't yet made the rec list? What does that say, I wonder. I think a lot of people -- Clinton and Obama supporters alike -- are uncomfortable with Ms. Christian's remarks.

by sricki 2008-06-02 11:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hm, and have you noticed

Agreed - I also think it's a shame that a lot of the reasonable Clinton supporters - like yourself dear sricki - seem to have given up on MyDD, I guess too embarrassed at the extreme ravings of the alegre, TD crowd.

by interestedbystander 2008-06-03 03:11AM | 0 recs
Nah, I haven't given up on MyDD.

I go to dKos for all my non-candidate news, but I don't comment very much over there. Never bothered to post a diary. I like the fact that this community is smaller -- it's easier to get to know people here. I'm just hoping things will stabilize within the next couple of weeks.

by sricki 2008-06-03 08:43AM | 0 recs
if I could still rec,

I'd be amongst them

by DiamondJay 2008-06-02 09:14PM | 0 recs
Re: if I could still rec,

I can recommend and I am highly insulted that I am not on that list.

by Tolstoy 2008-06-02 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Oh yeah
Fuck Noquarter/Fox
many of us still consider this a site in support
of the Democratic Party..
ok I'm done..

just one more tune..
tomorrow night..
tomorrow night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbYxJ-qOz dw

by nogo postal 2008-06-02 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

She lost me when she said "God Damn the Democratic Party"...  Since so many people said they wouldn't support Obama 'cos his pastor said, "God Damn America", I would hope that you would agree here...

Obama's the only nominee who's had a conspiracy to rob him of the nomination he won fair and square MONTHS ago...  What horrible crime has he committed that compels people to want to steal the nomination from him?

I just don't understand that at all...

by LordMike 2008-06-02 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

She lost me long before her infamous rant with her conduct and idiotic heckling during the RBC meeting.  I was seated about ten chairs away from her group for most of the proceedings, and I got to watch her initial hissy-fit (and yeah, that's about as accurate a term as there is to describe it: maybe "temper tantrum" would work as well) up close.

Harriet gets to learn what Jeremiah Wright felt when his entire life became boiled down to a few moments of video.  But I'm sure that, as an adequate white female, she'll handle herself with grace and aplomb.

by Jay R 2008-06-03 08:46AM | 0 recs

I'm fairly open-minded, but that interview was uncomfortable as hell. I can respect the anger re: sexism, but there was a distinct undertone of anger at black people in general. I noticed the same thing with Ferraro.

I have a wife, and a daughter, and a sister and mother. I would fight to my last breath for their equality in any venue. I am less motivated to adopt the cause of someone who thinks I'm too dumb to pick a candidate for good reasons.

Color me discouraged.

by Neef 2008-06-02 09:15PM | 0 recs

Are you invited to the good-bye speech tomorrow?

by IowaMike 2008-06-02 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: So....

Hillary doesn't let deranged deadenders in her rallies.

alegre is a Hillary "supporter", not supporter.

by MJJLWolf 2008-06-02 09:38PM | 0 recs
She's a brave woman

for speaking out.  And I don't think she's alone in her thinking.

by izarradar 2008-06-02 09:21PM | 0 recs
She's a thoroughly stupid woman

who found the cooking sherry.  And a racist.

"99% of the blacks don't even know why they're voting for him.  How can we allow this."

Good christ, and you and Alegre think this woman deserves anything but disdain?

by Rumproast 2008-06-02 09:52PM | 0 recs
That's not sexist at all. n/t

by adrienne4dean 2008-06-02 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: That's not sexist at all. n/t

Nope, it wasn't.

by Rumproast 2008-06-02 10:52PM | 0 recs
Um, yeah it was

Your remark would not have been made about a man:

"...found the cooking sherry."

You probably would have said something like:

"...found the Maker's Mark."

The racism insult is so easily tossed around, but sexism is just too easily camouflaged.  At least Hillary's campaign has brought it out in the open.

by izarradar 2008-06-03 08:06AM | 0 recs
From the HillarysVoice mailing list

Got Another One Up Folks - Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

The bots hate it whenever I use something posted to YouTube by No Quarter.  If you want to have fun poking Bots this diary is for you ;o)  http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/2/23555 /81361

Thanks! Alegre :)

by Rumproast 2008-06-02 09:39PM | 0 recs
Thanks for confirming

my belief that alegre's diary has absolutely nothing to do with supporting Sen. Clinton -- has absolutely nothing to do with the Clinton supporters who have intelligence, grace and dignity.  It is all about baiting people -- people who already know that she has no intention of voting Democratic in November.  She has morphed into a McCain troll -- so McCain can save his troops for other sites -- this one has self-generated enough Repbulican enablers.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 04:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Okay since no one will do it:


by MJJLWolf 2008-06-02 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

The word brave is being tossed around when talking about Christian and I would have to agree.  She's a brave woman to come on TV and show her face while spouting those talking points.  If I were her I would die of embarrassment.

by venavena 2008-06-02 10:07PM | 0 recs

Alegre is just an inadequate white female, so you can pretty much just ignore this diary.

by libertyleft 2008-06-02 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Alegre

How long until libertyleft is banned and alegre's diary history is wiped clean?

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 05:13AM | 0 recs

If I could ask Harriet Christian one question it would be this: if superdelegates backed Hillary Clinton, as you're hoping they will, how should the Democrats explain to African-American voters that the only presidential candidate who ever won a majority of delegates from these contests but didn't get the nomination was also the first black candidate to get such a majority?

That's not a trick question.  If anyone here would like to take a shot at it feel free.  

by IncognitoErgoSum 2008-06-02 10:07PM | 0 recs
Easy to explain

He wasn't the strongest candidate to start with, and revelations during the nominating contest make him weaker still.  The point is to win the general, not just the primary.


by adrienne4dean 2008-06-02 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Easy to explain

If Hillary had won, do you believe there would have been no revelations about her, and of course Bill?  Because if you do, I would have to say you are delusional.  There is only one reason why the GOP tried so hard to help Hillary win the primary, because they have been preparing to run against her for 4 years.  The difference is, the stuff about Obama is out there, and hasn't hurt him much.  Hillary is at a high water mark, and the only direction she can go in is down when the attacks start.

by interestedbystander 2008-06-03 01:29AM | 0 recs
It is a sad commentary that Harriet Christian

is being promoted here.  

She does not represent most Clinton supporters who are reasonable, passionate and informed.    This woman, promoted on Fox and now here at MyDD, makes Clinton supporters look foolish, ignorant and nasty.  

What's the upside again?  

by ruscle 2008-06-02 10:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

It's like, if you rant about another Democrat, a little UFO instantly picks you up and before you know it you're on Fox News.  In the future, we will all be Maryscott O'Connor for 15 minutes.

by Steve M 2008-06-02 10:37PM | 0 recs
Low info voter--a waitress

Yeah, I'll take my cues on how to vote from some 70 year old waitress with a surly racist streak.

Probably a good role model for Alegre to look up to.  Kudos for finding your shining light...

by Regenman 2008-06-03 12:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian

Harriet Christian is not a latte-drinking, "highly educated" urban professional; she long ago left the creative class. She doesn't fit the mold of the "future" of the Democratic party. But she cared enough about her party and her country to come to Washington in the hope that justice would prevail. Instead of focusing on the "behavior" - just for once I'd like to see someone besides the diarist acknowledge that this person, who has spent her lifetime "playing by the rules", had the right to be angry.

For all of you who have signed on to Pax Obama: I see that you don't like all this anti-Obama, anti-party rhetoric. What ever will you and others this August when you learn that the super- delegates have changed their minds and decided that Clinton would be the better candidate?
Why are so many Democrats afraid NOT to nominate Obama? - Riots in the streets? Real violence? Racist language like we haven't seen except from the pulpit of Trinity Church, Chicago?

by pan230oh 2008-06-03 02:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian

Because he going to win the contest tomorrow and Hillary will concede.  I guess I'm afraid that if we don't nominate him, why did we just go through all this for the last few months?

by minnesotaryan 2008-06-03 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian

She's an upper class woman, a real estate agent who lives in one of the most expensive counties in the country.  

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 05:08AM | 0 recs
Have to take issue here

Upper class? Nope. She may be rich, but she has no class.

by Mumphrey 2008-06-03 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Blah blah

Harriet blew her credibility the first time -- what a nasty piece of work she is

Clinton lost, get over it

by fightbull 2008-06-03 04:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I mean seriously, that anyone who calls herself a "democrat" could enthuse over this nasty woman, or get excited over an interview on the NEIL FREAKING CAVUTO show on FOX FREAKING NEWS tells you what you need to know

The "Clinton die hards" are -- and have long  been -- mostly made up of GOP black ops types and concern trolls, and alegre, in my opinion, is one of them

by fightbull 2008-06-03 04:07AM | 0 recs

"all we're asking is that the party hot-shots STOP trying to railroad us..."

They've been railroading us -- their own base Dems -- from the get-go. Derailing Florida and MI in the primaries is a big factor.  We would have had a very different trajectory from early Feb. on.  The damage has already been done.

May the DNC's glass always be half-full. How they respect, or disrespect, their own voters is what they'll get back.

by moevaughn 2008-06-03 04:11AM | 0 recs

So...back when they stripped the delegates, they were somehow crippling Hillary Clinton?  Interesting theory that can be proved false ever so easily by examining who was on that committee, and who voted to strip the delegates.

Let's just say, one of them is named Harold I. Or possible H. Ickes.

by minnesotaryan 2008-06-03 04:24AM | 0 recs
This diary is absolutely offensive. . .

Over the weekend you promote a diary with the racist (yes RACIST) rant of Harriet Christian and then back that up today with a video of her stating that 99% of "the blacks" don't know what Obama stands for and that Obama is only where he is and only running because he's black.  You promote a woman spewing innuendo about caucus fraud with no support (and you've done the same yourself).  And finally, you thank NoQuarter, a sty of racist and rancid filth.

And you do all this and claim to be a Democrat.  You disgust me.  Go Away!!!

by shalca 2008-06-03 04:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

after today, everyone will have voted...and as we all know, the Supers are free to make up their own minds(and have been)......what is the problem?

by feliks 2008-06-03 04:38AM | 0 recs
Your so full of shit alegre.

Sad when I watch FOX news interviewing a supposed Democrat, and FOX news is the less crazy.  This shows how low some supporters of Hillary Clinton have become.  Take your Republican bullshit back to No Quarter.  If you and your circle jerk supporters don't get banned from MyDD then Jerome needs to admit he doesn't give a shit about Democrats anymore.

I am tired of this caucus bullshit, caucuses have been around as long that we have been a country, I do not think they have suddenly become a problem in this election.  Why the fuck didn't the Clinton's and Ickes do something about it when they controlled the party, and had the majority of the votes on DNC committees.

Why did the Clinton people vote to strip 100% of the delegates from Florida and Michigan, then turn around a complain about it when the votes didn't go their way.  The only one attempting to steal delegates was the Clinton campaign.  Wanting to take the votes of an election where voter turnout was suppressed due to no delegate allocation.  Or calling for new voting but wanting to exclude new voters, and first time democrat voters, or those who voted in the Republican Primary, or all the demographics that favor Obama.  Then turning around and screaming disenfranchisement because the other side doesn't agree to you getting your way.  When you suppress voters, or try to exclude people from voting that is disenfrachisement.   Not wanting to change the rules ex post facto, is not disenfrachisement.  More so when the person screaming the rules were unfair was in control of the committee and had the majority of the votes on it, to put the rules into place to begin with.

And the so called party hot shots are superdelegates.  And I hate to break the news to you, but Hillary Clinton can only win through superdelegates.  In a race without superdelegates, Obama would have already won, since he has the majority of the pledged delegates.  Sorry but until recently Clinton was in control of the DNC and Superdelegates. So once again alegre you make a bullshit point.  You cannot say a single thing in support of Hillary Clinton without lying ab out it.  And you post a video of someone saying if not Hillary then John McCain.  All you worthless people are just John McCain supporters now.

And stop with that other bullshit about threats being made. Hillary has been the one to repeatedly say "with me or against me" threatening Democrats, no one else.  It has been her big money supporters that have sent threatening letters to Pelosi, Dean, and other Democrats.  So yeah it would be nice if we could get all the threats to stop, but it would be even nicer if you shits could come up with the integrity to admit it is you doing the threatening.

And the other we are such a victim crutch, about the media being unfair.  The media was unfair to Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Kucinich, and Richardson, and anyone else I failed to mention, that had no coverage.  But I seem to remember Edwards and Clinton discussing excluding the 3rd tier candidates from future debates at one point.  So I guess people only care about the media and fairness when they feel they are the victim.  Believe me Hillary Clinton controlled the media more than any other candidate in this race.

MyDD needs to chose what direction it wants to go.  Have worthless Republican trolls like you around, or remain a site to promote Democrats.
I always have Daily Kos to fall back on, and I am sure you have NoQuarter, Hillary44 and Red State.

by Tumult 2008-06-03 04:43AM | 0 recs

Harriet can get David Duke to help out with her campaign for justice.

by zonk 2008-06-03 04:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Neil Cavuto's Show

Neil Cavuto? Puhleeze!

by xdem 2008-06-03 04:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

No Quarter? Fox News? That's how you convince Democrats that they've made a mistake with their nominee?

I get the feeling that 20 years from now, there will be people picketing outside Obama's presidential library from this brand of Hillary support.

by mikeplugh 2008-06-03 04:55AM | 0 recs
Fearless Tracker Report #6

There are no words to describe the incredible accumulation of RTP down here.  Some of them have apparently moved in, and taken up residence.

They have built nests out of old "Red Bull" cans, and are apparently using their own feces as a sort of mortar, to hold it all together.  It's a rather fascinating construction technique.

The appearence of these nests means that the infestation is more severe than we thought. Based on the age of some of the RTP down here, they've been living here for months!

Fearless Tracker:  Mucking around at the bottom of diaries, so you don't have to!

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-06-03 04:57AM | 0 recs
Fearless Tracker Report #6a

It's worth noting: I think I'm getting closer to a major sub-hive complex.  I've also noticed that the troll nests here are lined with old copies of the Washington Times and National Review.  The leaders must be near, since it's apparent that these trolls possess some reading skills.

In addition, I'm starting to see signs of  rudimentary tool use.

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-06-03 05:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

While I can see why Obama supporters want to pretend that Harriet Christian is some nutcase who can be dismissed, isn't it pretty likely that she is only one of the core women supporters of Hillary who stand behind this statistic:

Obama's diminished popularity and support among white women may in part be an indication of a growing backlash against him among Clinton's women supporters. The survey finds that as many 39% of Clinton's female supporters believe that her gender has hurt her candidacy. In turn, favorable opinions of Obama have tumbled among women who support Clinton -- from 58% in March to 43% currently.

And that statistic came from a time before the RBC put in its fix for Obama, and turned its back on democracy and the woman candidate in the election.

So yeah, by all means Obama supporters, go ahead and trash the likes of this woman. Call her all the names you can think of. Make sure that all the women you know hear your opinion. I'm sure that will make it so much easier for these millions of women who already dislike Obama to come to embrace him in the end.

Because actions never have consequences in Obamaland.

by frankly0 2008-06-03 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

She's a nutcase who can be dismissed, and so are you if you sympathize with that racist piece of trash.

by authority song 2008-06-03 05:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

You really don't get it do you?

Look, the point is hardly whether I "sympathize" with her.

The point is that this woman, warts and all, probably represents the views of hundreds of thousands, or even millions of women who now refuse to vote for Obama -- as the poll I linked to would strongly suggest.

Obama supporters like you simply don't seem to get that calling someone a racist -- someone who could easily vote Democratic if they are treated with respect and empathy -- is not exactly the ticket to electoral success. And yet that is what your camp has done again and again when classes of people indicate they don't like Obama.

First, it was white working class voters. Then Hispanics. Now you're trying the same trick on older female voters.

Really, do you expect these people to come back to the Democratic nominee after enduring this verbal abuse?

I really think you and the Obama campaign just can't help yourselves: for you, it's all about putting yourself up on a moral pedestal so that you can proclaim your superiority. That impulse is infinitely more powerful in you than any desire to win the election. Even the campaign lashes out against Hillary out of its sheer vindictiveness when her chances of winning are minuscule, as demonstrated in its manufactured outrage over Hillary's mention of RFK's assassination. Clearly, the viciousness comes from the top.

In the end, you shall reap what you sow.

by frankly0 2008-06-03 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Dude, you don't get it. If someone acts like a racist, and says racist things, they're gonna get called a racist. It is not my job to treat racists with "respect and empathy" and I refuse to do so.

People like this are too far gone to even bother with. I'm not going to grovel for anyone's vote, or pander to racists, and I hope Obama doesn't either. We'll state our case and let the voters decide.

So while you people continue to peddle in victimology, blaming this person and that person for your loss, and inventing stories when the truth doesn't fit your narrative (the Obama campaign did NOTHING to drive the RFK story, and you know it), we'll be out winning an election. Without vile racists like Harriet Christian.  

by authority song 2008-06-03 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Put Harriet Christian on every show.  If this is the face of the avid Clinton supporter let America see. Then let America decide.  Is this really how the Clinton campaign wants to be viewed?

by temptxan 2008-06-03 05:07AM | 0 recs

Next time you're on one of those Clinton campaign blogger conference calls that you're always talking about, you should ask if they appreciate being associated with Harriet Christian.

And who is surprised that Faux News and Neil Cavuto--the most hacktackular of all--jumped on the chance to put her on television.

Maybe she'll adopt this plan for inner city education, because, you know, she's totally not in any way racist:

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 05:16AM | 0 recs
Shows right up on Fox does she?

That is suspicious to say the least.  This is all too convenient for me.  At the least she is being played by the GOP, to stir up dissention in the ranks over here.  

Is this really what Hillary wants as an example of her supporters?

by xenontab 2008-06-03 05:18AM | 0 recs
Shows right up on Fox does she

That is suspicious to say the least.  This is all too convenient for me.  At the least she is being played by the GOP, to stir up dissention in the ranks over here.  

Is this really what Hillary wants as an example of her supporters?

by xenontab 2008-06-03 05:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Alegre even for you this is low. This vile woman has no place on a Democratic website.

by wasder 2008-06-03 05:29AM | 0 recs
arm twisting?

Obama is winning every metric including the popular vote. The Clinton campaign kept telling us the automatic delegates were more qualified then the voters and were empowered to consider overturning the will of the voters to protect the party. Well if they are picking Obama it's because in their wisdom and experience (which Hillary kept telling us they have) they think he is the strongest candidate.

The Clintons entered this race as the party establishment and the most powerful force in a generation of Democratic party politics. Obama came from nowhere with no machine, personal wealth or national network and has won the leadership of the party and it's nomination. Don't hate Obama because he won, blame the Clinton's for having blown it despite holding every advantage out of the gate.

Everytime I see some blowhard like Ed Schultz try and express his support of Obama I cringe. I'm sure the Obama campaign feels the same way. I'm amazed that you would put forward Harriet Christian as representative of Clinton supporters. It's an insult to Clinton supporters.

by hankg 2008-06-03 05:32AM | 0 recs
Alegre, I'm Sorry

I'm sorry you've embraced revenge, bitterness and racism to assuage your political hurts rather than recognizing that the Primary is over and that we have a GE to win.

I'm sorry that you insist on repeating only the worst rumors and propaganda because it balances the pain you feel over your candidate not being selected in a fair process.

But most of all I'm sorry our party is going to move on without someone of your passion, all because you prefer the sour taste of revenge.

by steampunkx 2008-06-03 05:44AM | 0 recs
by citizendave 2008-06-03 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Harriet Christian, Neil Cavuto, and No Quarter.

All in the same diary.

Holy shit.

by Pat Flatley 2008-06-03 06:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

I dont know how I missed this diary yesterday.

What a piece of shit she is,  and how DARE alegre defend her.

I have now lost the last drop of repsect for Alegre

so I treat you to this video I just found:

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-06-03 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

How sad is it that Neil Cavuto sounds like a voice of reason?  Just shows you how far off the deep end she is.

by matchles 2008-06-03 01:22PM | 0 recs


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